Hi, does anyone have any information on Addison Wade Arbogast b. 1893 who m. Effie Moore in 1913. Effie Moore was the dau/o Jacob Wm. Moore and Almarinda McElwain. Any information will be helpful. Thanks. Ann Moore Ann Moore (_E=mc2_) :-) 8 

I am going to weigh in on the public records issue. Because of a career as a newspaperman and because of participation in public policy as an official, I have definite views, as usual. The problem in this country is not too much interest in government but too little. If you know some place where this is not true, I'll stand corrected. There has been a tendency in recent years around the country to price public records to discourage people getting them. What other reason can explain 50 cents or $1.00 a copy? The city clerk of Coffeyville, Kansas, said to me when I was on the commission there, "We can't just become a copy center. We would have people line up out here." Since you couldn't hit a visitor to the city clerk's office with a blundrbuss on any given day, I thought, "Yes, wouldn't that be too bad to have that many people interested in their government." There are three clerks in that office, and I'll defy anyone ever to find more than two customers. Eleanor Dobbs comment about the counter reminds me of the situation in Coffeyville, KS, because such a wall exists there, and they don't want you behind it. The Kansas law is simple and says: "All records required by law to be kept are open to the public." And that's as it should be. They charge 50 cents a copy in Coffeyville. But that means if you want to read a 26-page ordinance pending before the commission, it will cost you $13 and I once had to pay that amount twice. It's 10 cents at the library for records not created by taxpayers. As many of you know, state legislation can run into hundreds of pages. Since when were we supposed to create a situation whereby the average citizen couldn't afford to buy a bill to read? The situation is preposterous and needs reversed. Another time, under instructions from higher authority, the city clerk refused records to me. The attorney general of Kansas ordered her to comply forthwith. In Kansas, they are required to give you a written reason on the spot for refusing the records. I cite Kansas because generally it is the most open government I've seen. My point about these records boils down to this: They are records that were created by and belong to the people. People ought to be allowed to copy them for the price of the copies, similar to the library or the copy center. There is no good reason in this day and age that a copy machine could not be maintained in any records center. The clerks are paid by the taxpayers too. I can understand that a clerk should not have to go on a personal search into the burrows of the vaults for one person, and could charge for that. But it seems to me that the clerks who discourage use of records have forgotten who pays their salaries and who they work for. I am also aware of the damage done to records by the public. But I believe that it would discourage it to make it easy to copy them. What can we do? We can go to City Hall and to the County Commission and urge them to encourage a more open policy toward records. We can support open records laws that REQUIRE access to public records. I would recommend speaking in public meetings on the issue because it is a hard issue for a public official to defend on any rational basis. We can vote clerks that are contemptuous of the public out of office. And we can oppose prices aimed at discouraging access to public records. We can offer alternatives, such as a coin-operated copy machine. You cannot tell me it cannot be done. Tucker County, WV, still charges $1.00 for a birth certificate mailed to you. If you go there, the woman will take you to the records. I realize some offices are busier than that. But I believe it boils down more to the public official/servant's attitude toward the public than it does to the matter of efficiency or burden. I have worked in many states having to obtain records. Never has it better than at the Kansas State Government, at least when I was there. You could walk into any state agency, mention a public record and they would go get it for you, even at the Kansas Historical Society. Taxpayers paid for the creation of the records. Taxpayers built the buildings and offices. Taxpayers paid for the storage of the records. Taxpayers pay for the salaries of the clerks. But many places discourage access to the records that belong to those very taxpayers. One last thought: Make certain your city, county or state has a law barring destruction of public records. Believe me, it has happened in a lot of places. Thanks for your indulgence. That's my sermon for this Sunday. dhamrick@neo.rr.com Dan Hamrick 402 23rd Street NW Canton OH 44709 Phone: 330-454-2376 ---------- >From: edobbs@webtv.net (Eleanor Dobbs) >To: WVPIONEERS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WVPioneers] Re: WVPIONEERS-D Digest V00 #216 >Date: Sun, Jul 9, 2000, 2:17 PM > >Jean, >I live in Illinois. In the past, I could go to the >county court, look at the original records in a >small private room with no interference. Election of new officials >changed all that. The >main guy is an old family friend. The clerks >stand behind a tall counter, tell me a can't see >those same books, ask for my needs and dare >me-and anyone else- to challenge their authority. What's come over >people? The cost >for copies is $10. Now do you get the picture? >Wonder where that money goes? >Joe goes to Gallatin Co. courthouse where they have wonderful records >for the genealogists to >search and lovely people to help you, if needed. >Human nature is more at play here than legal >constraints. >When it is known that you have come a distance for info, it should go >without saying that the clerks give this priority. You have spent >far more time than they, in applying for records. >I have experienced this treatment from NARA. >I applied for records on one ancestor years ago, received them, lost >them and reapplied. It comes back "No record can be found." Records >moved, lost or nobody gives a damn? >When we list members give help wthout hesitation to strangers freely, it >is hard to understand the actions of clerks in situ. Maybe >a little bribe is expected? > > > >==== WVPIONEERS Mailing List ==== >The annual Pioneer Family Reunion will be held August 26 and 27, 1999, in >Webster Springs, WV, on Saturday and at the reunion grounds on Sunday. >This is one of the oldest � and once the largest � reunion in West >Virginia. The public is invited. > >============================== >The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

I am new to the list and would like to share my areas of research. I'm researching the Deel/Deal family that starts with Willoughby (Willis) Deal in Tazewell Va in 1790. Willoughby married Rebecca Lester and among their children was Thomas Deal, m. Matilda Gibson in Floyd county Kentucky in the 1830's. Thomas and two of his brothers, Conly, and Richard, moved to central WV (Clay, Nicholas, Kanawha) in the 1850's returning briefly to the Tazewell VA area during the civil war, and eventually settled in central WV. Thomas and Matilda had several children, including James Harvey (Henry) Deal, who married twice, first to Persilla Ann Jane Daniels, and shortly afterwards to Susan Elizabeth (Elizabeth Susan) Dawson. Harvey and Susan had Willis Montgomery Deal who also married twice, to Rowena Workman and also to Viola Prudence Woods (the last in Webster county 1910.) I am also researching the Woods family which starts with Stephen Woods and his wife Nancy prior to 1800. The woman named Margaret Woods who married Eli Taylor and lived on the Nicholas/Greenbrier county border was probably their daughter. Eli and Margaret had a daughter named (Sarah?) Ann Taylor who probably married William Woods abt 1827, and had three children. My line comes through Martha Margaret Woods who had a son named Edward Van Buren Woods in 1859. Van Woods was the father of Viola Prudence Woods listed above who married Willis Montgomery Deel. I am also interested in the Hammond/Hamon family whose first ancestor in Webster county was John David (Dee) Hamon who was said to own thousands of acres in Webster county, located close to Camden-On-Gauley. John D Hamon was the son of Robert and Nancy Hammond, and a brother to Virinda Hammond Woods, who married Van Woods (listed above)he married Sarah Gibson (I'm related to Sarah through the Deel family). John had several children including Elijah (Lige) Hamon who married Emma Woods (Sister of Viola Woods listed above). Lige and Emma were first cousins. I would be intersted in exchanging information with anyone researching any of these lines. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

From: The Webster Echo, April 24, 1896 Bergoo Items Rev. P. L. Bent preached an interesting sermon here last Sunday. The Sunday school at this place is a prosperous one. Miss Rettie Green, who has been sick for some time is able to be up again. Miss Allie Beal, of Pocahontas, is visiting friends in this part. Judge Dodrill is shaking hands with his many friends here as a candidate for House of Delegates. Albert Lynch, of Sutton, is here branding logs for B. M. Hamrick. Miss Dollie Hamrick, who has been at Addison for some time has returned home again. Isaac P. Hamrick is to have an organ in his home in the near future. Arrangements have been made for fencing the church at this place. There seems to be plenty of fire in the woods near the head of Leatherwood at present. Men should be careful about getting fire in the woods as much valuable timber is destroyed in this way. LADDIE.

From: The Webster Echo, Jan. 7, 1898 Bergoo Locals Cold weather, and plenty of snow. Several of our citizen attended county court this week. The Gillespie Company are doing a good business at this place. G. A. Sycafoose has resigned his office as constable, and W. H. Beal has been promoted to that position. The schools of this community are progressing nicely. We have four schools in this section. C. H. Chapman at Red Oak Knob and E. D. Ehert at Upper Elk are teachers of Experience, and are doing good work. Hettie Hamrick at Chestnut Bottom is teaching her first school; she has the praise of all the patrons. R. M. Dodrill is wielding the "birch" at Leatherwood. Judge C. McDodrill and his sister, Mrs. Weese, were visiting their many friend here recently. The Judge attended a meeting of the Leatherwood Literary Society, and in his eloquent way, made an address that was impressive upon the mind of every listener, and beneficial to all. We hope to have him with us again in the future, and will give him a warm welcome. BROOM SAGE.

From: The Webster Echo, April 24, 1896 Erbacon Gardening is the order of the day. Reese Morris has moved to Missouri run. Jonathan Brown is erecting an addition to his dwelling house. Ben Monroe is making some substantial improvements around his promises. Arch Rutherford has moved his new sawmill to Carpenter's Fork where he will cut his first set. Lindsey Rose, accompanied by his pet bear, boarded the train here last week bound for Tyler county on a visit to his (Rose's not the bear's) relations. George N. Thomas recently closed a successful term of school near here and is now attending the summer normal at Bolair. B. F. Clifton and wife, E. J. Salisbury, Wm. Clifton and Dan Smith attended the funeral of W. C. Barnett, on Birch, Sunday. STANLEY.

From: The Webster Echo, April 24, 1896 Hackers Valley Ramps are moving. The Valley is not dead, but is now beginning to live. Farmers are making good use of the fine weather. W. T. Duke takes the lead in large clearings. C. M. Conrad is erecting a two story frame building which will add to the appearance of the town. The upper story will be used for a Jr. O. U. A. M. hall. We hope to see a church in the Valley soon. Surely it is time to make a move in that direction. A select school opened at the school house Monday, which promises to be a success, with S. T. Allen as teacher. SPRING.

From: The Webster Echo, April 24, 1896 Items From Samp. The people of this section, seeing the error of their way, are leting up on the lumber business and putting in large crops. L. A. Hamrick is moving from the Peter Hamrick residence to J. M. Hamrick's farm on Point Mountain. How would the name of Henry D. Hamrick, of Samp, strike the people for sheriff? We would like to hear from the people on this matter. It is rumored there will be a wedding in this neighborhood soon. GUESS.

From: The Webster Echo, April 24, 1896 Wainville News The charms of spring have again awakened. The farmers are preparing for large crops. Uncle Lewis McElwain made a flying trip to Moundsville last week. He reports a pleasant trip. Jesse Bills and Dick Wilson are the champion squirrel hunters of this vicinity. There will be an excursion train run on the W. & M. railroad Sunday, April 26th. The Wilson brothers have completed their new house. It is a model of architectural beauty and convenience. Thomas Boone has moved into his new house on Main street. We are glad to note that "Old Kooch," who was so nearly killed, is slowly improving. James Burger, who has been recently married, is visiting his Uncle at Clarksburg. Wheeler & Miller have completed their railroad to the Webster Company's timber land and are hauling logs rapidly. Quite a number of Wainville people took dinner at the Durbin Restaurant Sunday. The table was loaded down with ice cream and turkey, and many other things too numerous to mention. We are sorry to learn that Heskiah Holcomb is dangerously ill with typhoid fever. G. F. McElwain says he is going to represent Webster county in the next Legislature of West Virginia. QUIET OBSERVER.

Thanks Roger for posting the Webster Echo on the mailing list . I really enjoyed reading them. And also thanks for all your help on my GGrandmother{Venia Green Keller} Carolyn {Green,Keller,Crosby,McElwain}

In a message dated 7/9/00 7:15:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com writes: << Hi, I have a general question. On the Webster County site, it says that two census' images are "coming soon" and has said this for quite some time (I think it's the 1900 and 1910 or 1920 Federal census). Does anyone know when they might become available and what the hold up may be? Is there anything that we can do to facilitate getting these images on-line? I know these are probably available at FHCs but I am not near a center and on-line is about the only place I can access this type of information. Thanks for you help and information. Michelle >>

From: The Webster Echo, April 17, 1896 Wainville Briefs Thomas Boone is building a new house. The postoffice at this place has been removed from the residence of Lewis McElwain to the Key Stone Lumber Mining Co.'s store building. The name has been changed from Beech Bottom to Wainville. An Italian known in this vicinity as "Old Kooch," was run over by a frightened team and seriously if not fatally injured. Rev. Harrison will deliver a sermon at the Wain school house for the special benefit of the Amos run Woodsmen, the first Sautrday night in May. Amos Cortney is visiting friends and parents in Pocahontas. RYLE.

From: The Webster Echo, April 10, 1896 Samp News Nice weather; grass growing fast. Clearing and getting ready to plant crops is the order of the day. Miss Dollie Hamrick, of Samp, has gone to Addison where she will remain for a while. One of Mr. Levi Hamrick's hogs was found, killed by some unknown person, and the mystery still remails unsolved. Jasper Sycafoose and wife returned home after a short visit at Upper Glade. Peter Hamrick has made quite a nice lot of sugar this spring. Miss Becca Hamrick, who has been quite sick for three months, is able to be about again. NOW REST.

From: The Webster Echo, April 10, 1896 Beech Bottom. Plenty of rain and muddy roads is the order of the day. Mr. J. D. Rutherford and wife of Weston, are visiting friends at this place. Mrs. Jos. Hill, of Williamsport, Pa., is visiting her daughter, Mrs. Signer. Mrs. Minnie Berger and Mrs. Rachel Triplet, of Hanes, are guests of friends and relatives. uncle Lewis McElwain is attending court this week. Mr. G. W. Tracy was a guest of A. J. Green and family Saturday night and Sunday. We think there will be a wedding in Beech Bottom in the near future. How about it "Dick?" The Keystone Lumber and Mining Co. will have their saw mill ready for operation this week. Messrs.Wheeler & Miller will have their railroad track laid to the Webster Co.'s timber land by the last of the week. We think the band mill at this place will be ready for running by the 15th inst. XXX

From: The Webster Echo, May 8, 1895 Beech Bottom Lewis McElwain finished sowing oats last Saturday. E. H. Morton was in this part of the country Monday on business. If there is not any more cold weather we will have plenty of fruit this year. Beech Bottom is fastcoming out of the woods. It has two stores and other business enterprises. Marshal Joe Craddock and Mr. Harper were in our little burg Friday night and took a few of the boys to Charleston. Mr. and Mrs. L. M. Green returned home Sunday from Nicholas county, where they were called to the bedside of Mrs. Green's father, who is dangerously ill. BILL WILD

From: The Webster Echo, Feb. 14, 1896 Bergoo Locals Logging is the order of the day. Hannah & Beal are doing a thriving business at their new store. There was quite a crowd at the sale of the personal property of W. G. Hamrick's recently. Politics is now the universal conversatin. M. L. Hamrick is our choice first, last and all the time for clerk of the circuit court. Mr. Hamrick is well qualified for the position, having had considerable experience already, and is a young man of whom we feel proud. And we do certainly think the time has come for a change in the office of circuit clerk. If one man is to be our clerk during his natural life, why be at the expense of an electin? We would like to hear from others on this subject. CROMWELL.

From: The Webster Echo, Feb. 28, 1896 Camden Locals Doubtless all the readers of the ECHO know something of the Gauley Company's mills, but the probabilities are that scarcely one in a hundred have anything like a definite idea of the importance and magatude of the plant and what it means to our vicinity at large. The Camden mill has a capacity for putting out 150,000 feet of sawed lumber per day, in connection with which are dry-houses and planers with corresponding capacity. The main buildings are substantial wood structures with steel roofs, and every day present the most interesting scenes of activity that do credit to the enterprising company, its managers and employes, and also the community in which it is located. Besides, it is a source of profit to our people at large, by giving employment direct, at good wages, to all that want to work, and furnishes a good market for all surplus products of the surrounding country. The general manager of this plant until quite recently, was Col. J. A. Fickinger, a genial and enterprizing gentleman, whose many sterling qualities of heart and head has given him a high place in the estimation of all with whom he came in contact. He has now accepted a position as manager of the coal and coke mines at monongah, which leaves this vast concern to the management of Prof. J. W. Bonner, who for several years has been treasurer and bookkeeper of the company and prosscesses every characteristic to manage the business successfully and satisfactorily to all concerned. The whisky dealers seem to be "off" at present and the "Half Acre" presents a deserted appearance and we see no signs of the vile stuff. There have been several tides in Gauley recently which have put a great many logs in the boom here. C. A. DRODDY.

From: The Webster Echo, Feb. 14, 1896 Cleveland A protracted meeting is in progress here, conducted by Revs. Pugh, Hawk and Stump of the M. E., M. E. South and Baptist churches respectively: The prospects are for an interesting and profitable time. Mr. Hogue, the man who was thought to have been fatally injured on Long run some time ago is out again. Mrs. Mat McCoy is convalescent. Mrs. Laughery is right poorly with pleurisy. Mr. G. M. Burns, of Burnsville is here in connection with his lumber business. Drilling for oil has been resumed at the mouth of Trace Run. This would be a desirable location for a first-class M. D. 'Squire Ferrell has on hands the largest clearing in the district. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH Bassell' kid. The Logic of L. A. F. Home rule for Webster county. Subscribing for the Webster ECHO. More clearing and grubbing and less lawsuits. Having a large and interesting school here next summer. Ackowledging the independence of Cuba. The annexation Hawaii. Cleveland's exposition of the Monroe Doctrine. The Cleveland base ball team retaining the championship of Webster the coming season. An international monetary conferencs to be held at the city of Washington to which only delegates from the Western continent be invited. Bab, being pretty near a dandy. Some charming girl exercising her Leap Year privilage to come a sparking. LUCKY OLE BEN.

From: The Webster Echo, May 8, 1895 Diana G. D. Marple returned home last week. Attorney J. A. Howell is erecting a law office. Bence Marple accidently received a bad wound above his right eye. This community badly need a new church building, the present one being sadly out of repair. Rumor has it that there will be a new cook in the neighborhood soon. What do you say, Enoch? Lee Cutlip, of Lick Run, A.J. Salisbury, of Removal, H. H. Holcomb, of Lower Elk, and D. H. Sizemore visited this place recently. FRITZ.

From: The Webster Echo, Feb. 14, 1896 Erbacon News T. J. Hosey and Eli Perrine are engaged in a logging job on Missouri run. P. H. Craig, accompanied by his daughter, Mrs. Lyda Robison, is visiting his daughter, Mrs. R. E. Thomas, near here. A great many crossties are being got out and hauled to the railroad here. One day last week Rachel Blondheim went before Judge Weese and swore out a warrant for one George Clutter for whipping his 19-year old daughter. The case was tried before a jury who found him guilty, whereupon the court fined him five dollars and costs. It may not be generally known but nevertheless it is true, that this section will furnish a candidate for assessor in the person of Robert S. Carpenter. NED.