Hi Clan I subscribed to see who might turn up in Tyler Co. So far none of my kin have shown up. BUT NOTE THIS There is a gentleman in Pleasants Co. who is smarter than the average carp eater and if you are as interesting as you all seam to be YOU will write this address down. The guys name is Gerald Bills and is from one of the oldest families in the Ohio Valley. I have asked permission to pass his name along and he consented, limited only by the amount of his free time. his e-mail address is gbills@aol.com Write it down folks you will be glad you did. Grumps