Richard I found the book on line, it is neat. I can add this to my computer records as well. Sandy Cocoa, Forida -----Original Message----- From: Richard Graham [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV Cindy, You know I'm glad you ask me that, I have been doing research on the Graham's now for 10 to 15 years (my time does fly bye) anyway I had never gave it a though to do what you said, I have several letters written around 1840 from Alderson back to the Graham brother's that went to Illinois, as Lowell , Talcott and Hinton wasn't their at that time, also one from San Francisco about 1910 back to Illinois from another Graham pertaining to Graham family, the one from Alderson was from John Graham a son of Rebecca Graham and Joseph Graham that lived at Clayton , my three Graham brother's were about the same age as John Graham, I also have Marriage vows on several of Col James Graham's children where he signed them, In reading the ones written back in 1840 I found it interesting where they speak of the price of hogs and cattle and corn and wheat, and being so low it was hard to make a living in that area, anyway they are very interesting, I will see what I can do about donating them to the Graham Society, Richard Graham Middletown Missouri [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "cindy g" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > Richard, > Have you ever thought of copying and donating the copies of the > letters to the "Graham House" in Lowell? It would add a lot of insight on (W)Virginig life and I think they would display them at the old log house. You may want to think about it and give them a call. I, for one, would enjoy seeing them. > Cindy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Graham > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > > I been enjoying reading your alls post on old times in West Virginia, I > guess that's one reason my Graham's left their many years ago for Illinois, > to maybe better them selves and then ran into hardships of being on outer > fringes of civilization at the time they left the Hinton , Talcott, Lowell, > area in 1836, I have some old letter's from that area written about the > living condition at that time in West Virginia, anyway thanks for > writing,,,,,, > Richard Graham > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New > content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Richard I didn't realize that you were in Missouri. Here I was thinking about taking a trip to West Virginia this Summer between classes and you won't be there. Not sure if I would have time to come that way. Hopefully there will be no hurricane around this years, but that might give me an excuse to go. No more of hiding in the hall way. Although the new apartment had a center room that has no windows, etc. But I am not crazy about staying there - last year the appartment building that I am in lost some of the roofing. But being on the ground floor that should not hurt me. Just the upstairs. Now I will have to figure some way to get to you. Was hoping to find Great Aunt Winnie husband information this summers. Plus a few other in Summers County. Aunt Winnie husband was found died in their house. He drank will too much. This was to be in the 30s. According to what mom remembers he was so pickled from the drink that they could not embomb him. Grandda had to rub some palms in order to take him to the Ohio family plot that he wanted be buried in. Aunt Winnie was buried in Hinton if I remember right. Don't seem to be a record of this, need to go thru the records myself and thanks to the new law I can no longer go to the Funeral Home and ask questions. Oh Well, need to do some leg work - Have to find out where they were married, etc. There some others that I need to locate as well and the only way is to go to the source. Might find it better in the County Seat in Hinton than go to the Charleston. Sometime records did not make it there. Like I was Charleston did not have a record of my birth and I had to get a delay birth certificate. It was a pain, but my cousin said he found in the county courthouse. Interesting. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: Richard Graham [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV Cindy, You know I'm glad you ask me that, I have been doing research on the Graham's now for 10 to 15 years (my time does fly bye) anyway I had never gave it a though to do what you said, I have several letters written around 1840 from Alderson back to the Graham brother's that went to Illinois, as Lowell , Talcott and Hinton wasn't their at that time, also one from San Francisco about 1910 back to Illinois from another Graham pertaining to Graham family, the one from Alderson was from John Graham a son of Rebecca Graham and Joseph Graham that lived at Clayton , my three Graham brother's were about the same age as John Graham, I also have Marriage vows on several of Col James Graham's children where he signed them, In reading the ones written back in 1840 I found it interesting where they speak of the price of hogs and cattle and corn and wheat, and being so low it was hard to make a living in that area, anyway they are very interesting, I will see what I can do about donating them to the Graham Society, Richard Graham Middletown Missouri [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "cindy g" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > Richard, > Have you ever thought of copying and donating the copies of the > letters to the "Graham House" in Lowell? It would add a lot of insight on (W)Virginig life and I think they would display them at the old log house. You may want to think about it and give them a call. I, for one, would enjoy seeing them. > Cindy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Graham > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > > I been enjoying reading your alls post on old times in West Virginia, I > guess that's one reason my Graham's left their many years ago for Illinois, > to maybe better them selves and then ran into hardships of being on outer > fringes of civilization at the time they left the Hinton , Talcott, Lowell, > area in 1836, I have some old letter's from that area written about the > living condition at that time in West Virginia, anyway thanks for > writing,,,,,, > Richard Graham > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New > content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Cindy Who is the Harris? I have a Harris that married into the Moten Family. He is Robert Harris. He married Laura A. Moten. I don't have any dates for him in my database here at work. I think I have more at home. I should have a death date, if I go thru my records. Grow up around Hinton or worked in Hinton or Wolf Creek. I remember he was killed by a train. He was walking the track and as he step from one track to another to get out of the way of the train he was hit by one coming from the other direction that he apparently didn't see. Never regain conscienceness. I want to say about 1913, but not sure. Laura A. Moten was his wife. She died before him. Don't remember if it was childbirth or a fall from a horse. Will write more late tonight or tomorrow. I also have some Ballengee, or I remember that name in my reading. I also have some Lowe somewhere. Sandy Cocoa, Florida Moten, Plumley, Harris, Crook, Vest, and others. Lilly, Gore, Shumate, Caperton, and others -----Original Message----- From: cindy g [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV Wonderful!! Some year when I'm out there I'll have a look see. We had Grahams that married into a few branches of my family. Ballengee, Taylor, Harris and Lowe to name a few. Thanks for all the "meanderings" everyone has posted lately!! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Graham To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV Cindy, You know I'm glad you ask me that, I have been doing research on the Graham's now for 10 to 15 years (my time does fly bye) anyway I had never gave it a though to do what you said, I have several letters written around 1840 from Alderson back to the Graham brother's that went to Illinois, as Lowell , Talcott and Hinton wasn't their at that time, also one from San Francisco about 1910 back to Illinois from another Graham pertaining to Graham family, the one from Alderson was from John Graham a son of Rebecca Graham and Joseph Graham that lived at Clayton , my three Graham brother's were about the same age as John Graham, I also have Marriage vows on several of Col James Graham's children where he signed them, In reading the ones written back in 1840 I found it interesting where they speak of the price of hogs and cattle and corn and wheat, and being so low it was hard to make a living in that area, anyway they are very interesting, I will see what I can do about donating them to the Graham Society, Richard Graham Middletown Missouri [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "cindy g" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > Richard, > Have you ever thought of copying and donating the copies of the letters to the "Graham House" in Lowell? It would add a lot of insight on (W)Virginig life and I think they would display them at the old log house. You may want to think about it and give them a call. I, for one, would enjoy seeing them. > Cindy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Graham > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > > I been enjoying reading your alls post on old times in West Virginia, I > guess that's one reason my Graham's left their many years ago for Illinois, > to maybe better them selves and then ran into hardships of being on outer > fringes of civilization at the time they left the Hinton , Talcott, Lowell, > area in 1836, I have some old letter's from that area written about the > living condition at that time in West Virginia, anyway thanks for > writing,,,,,, > Richard Graham > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Wonderful!! Some year when I'm out there I'll have a look see. We had Grahams that married into a few branches of my family. Ballengee, Taylor, Harris and Lowe to name a few. Thanks for all the "meanderings" everyone has posted lately!! Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Graham To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV Cindy, You know I'm glad you ask me that, I have been doing research on the Graham's now for 10 to 15 years (my time does fly bye) anyway I had never gave it a though to do what you said, I have several letters written around 1840 from Alderson back to the Graham brother's that went to Illinois, as Lowell , Talcott and Hinton wasn't their at that time, also one from San Francisco about 1910 back to Illinois from another Graham pertaining to Graham family, the one from Alderson was from John Graham a son of Rebecca Graham and Joseph Graham that lived at Clayton , my three Graham brother's were about the same age as John Graham, I also have Marriage vows on several of Col James Graham's children where he signed them, In reading the ones written back in 1840 I found it interesting where they speak of the price of hogs and cattle and corn and wheat, and being so low it was hard to make a living in that area, anyway they are very interesting, I will see what I can do about donating them to the Graham Society, Richard Graham Middletown Missouri [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "cindy g" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > Richard, > Have you ever thought of copying and donating the copies of the letters to the "Graham House" in Lowell? It would add a lot of insight on (W)Virginig life and I think they would display them at the old log house. You may want to think about it and give them a call. I, for one, would enjoy seeing them. > Cindy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Graham > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > > I been enjoying reading your alls post on old times in West Virginia, I > guess that's one reason my Graham's left their many years ago for Illinois, > to maybe better them selves and then ran into hardships of being on outer > fringes of civilization at the time they left the Hinton , Talcott, Lowell, > area in 1836, I have some old letter's from that area written about the > living condition at that time in West Virginia, anyway thanks for > writing,,,,,, > Richard Graham > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Cindy, You know I'm glad you ask me that, I have been doing research on the Graham's now for 10 to 15 years (my time does fly bye) anyway I had never gave it a though to do what you said, I have several letters written around 1840 from Alderson back to the Graham brother's that went to Illinois, as Lowell , Talcott and Hinton wasn't their at that time, also one from San Francisco about 1910 back to Illinois from another Graham pertaining to Graham family, the one from Alderson was from John Graham a son of Rebecca Graham and Joseph Graham that lived at Clayton , my three Graham brother's were about the same age as John Graham, I also have Marriage vows on several of Col James Graham's children where he signed them, In reading the ones written back in 1840 I found it interesting where they speak of the price of hogs and cattle and corn and wheat, and being so low it was hard to make a living in that area, anyway they are very interesting, I will see what I can do about donating them to the Graham Society, Richard Graham Middletown Missouri [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "cindy g" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > Richard, > Have you ever thought of copying and donating the copies of the letters to the "Graham House" in Lowell? It would add a lot of insight on (W)Virginig life and I think they would display them at the old log house. You may want to think about it and give them a call. I, for one, would enjoy seeing them. > Cindy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Graham > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > > I been enjoying reading your alls post on old times in West Virginia, I > guess that's one reason my Graham's left their many years ago for Illinois, > to maybe better them selves and then ran into hardships of being on outer > fringes of civilization at the time they left the Hinton , Talcott, Lowell, > area in 1836, I have some old letter's from that area written about the > living condition at that time in West Virginia, anyway thanks for > writing,,,,,, > Richard Graham > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > >

Richard, Have you ever thought of copying and donating the copies of the letters to the "Graham House" in Lowell? It would add a lot of insight on (W)Virginig life and I think they would display them at the old log house. You may want to think about it and give them a call. I, for one, would enjoy seeing them. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Graham To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV I been enjoying reading your alls post on old times in West Virginia, I guess that's one reason my Graham's left their many years ago for Illinois, to maybe better them selves and then ran into hardships of being on outer fringes of civilization at the time they left the Hinton , Talcott, Lowell, area in 1836, I have some old letter's from that area written about the living condition at that time in West Virginia, anyway thanks for writing,,,,,, Richard Graham

Hi Graham, we were going to get together and discuss some of our families, but I was so tied up with college that I did not get back with you. I have since change to a high speed email and the email address has change. My email is now [email protected] My email for: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] no longer work. So everyone on line please take not and I will try to get to the website and change these address. Now back to you Graham, I will email some of that information to you. I just move and will have to go checking on the information. Will check my stuff here and see if I have that as well. My old computer crashed back at the end of Sept and I have not been able to get the hard drive to best buy to get the information recovered so I can get all the stuff that was on it off. Sandy Cocoa, Florida I have also moved and my home address has changed, so if you all need the change, let me know at the email above and I will email you the information. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Graham [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV I been enjoying reading your alls post on old times in West Virginia, I guess that's one reason my Graham's left their many years ago for Illinois, to maybe better them selves and then ran into hardships of being on outer fringes of civilization at the time they left the Hinton , Talcott, Lowell, area in 1836, I have some old letter's from that area written about the living condition at that time in West Virginia, anyway thanks for writing,,,,,, Richard Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cox" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > Such enticing stories need to keep going and so I add mine to the > list: > > To quote a line from "Clyde Maxey" in VA - "we were so poor even poor folks > called us poor" > > Pinto beans were the staple of our meals; no pinto beans, no meal - subsided > by squirrel, rabbit, groundhogs and various fish (suckers, carp, etc) > (opening day of squirrel season in Greenbrier County was kinda > celebrated by > "squirrel tails hanging from auto antennas"), a few chickens and > occasionally "a pig" in the pen (that was covered with salt to > preserve it (no fridge available)"" > > As with many of you researchers what I thought to be a miserable life > I have > since learned my childhood was the best it could be - I have come > across so much incest in distant family members and other problems > unknown to me till now (these will mostly go with me to my grave due > to living relatives effected). > > The son of a WV Coal Miner who was taken at an early age by an > automobile accident VS the coal mines that would have eventually > claimed his life......... > > John in South Dakota > > > > > Yes Doris and Jay. > > > > My grandparent had a farm in the old True area and my parent was > > married their and my brother was born at home in the old True area. > > The post office was moved up the hill because of the Dam. It was > > located under the waterline for the dam and had to be moved. My > > grandfathers farm was just able that line and the government would > > not buy his farm. He walk away from it and got a farm at Pipestem. > > > > My father tried farming and was no good at it. He finally when to > > work at the Steel Mill in Alloy. We didn't realize that we were > > "poor". We were happy and had food on the table. Mom and Dad > > worked. Mom work for the Fayette County School parttime in the > > School Kitchen and as Janitor. This was til Dad had his heartattack > > in January of 1964 and we moved to Florida in October 1964 and we > > have lived here ever since. But again. There was food on the table > > and presents under the tree and we never questioned what the income > > was. It is only now that I have finish my BA > > - graduated last Saturday from Warner Southern College here in Lake > > Wales. I just started my Masters in Management and will if God will in > > 2008. I guess at 53 that is an accomplish that I never thought that I > > would do. > > > > But family history is really my passion. > > > > Take care everyone. Where there is a will there will be a way - > > sooner or later > > > > Sandy > > Cocoa, Florida > > Lilly, Gore, Moten, Plumley, Shumate, > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jay R Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:01 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > > > > > Yes Doris, I can recall many, many meals of beans and potatoes, > > cornbread or biscuits. > > > > We managed to farm and grew most of our food, including the meats. > > My dad was, of course, a coal miner (which ultimately killed him > > with "black lung" > > disease) and me an my siblings worked our farm. > > > > Ton of work, but lots of fun too. Had a really good life, for which > > I thank God every day. > > > > Jay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > > > > >> Jay: > >> > >> I had this same conversation with one of my co-workers today. We > >> may have been poor but we didn't know it so it didn't make a > >> difference. She said they were lucky to have one piece of meat and > >> one piece of cheese on a sandwich. Then she met her future Jewish > >> husband and made him one of those sandwiches. He > >> asked what it was (you know they put at least a half lb. of meat on > > their > >> sandwich). > >> > >> Doris Snyder > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > >> the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 > >> months. 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I been enjoying reading your alls post on old times in West Virginia, I guess that's one reason my Graham's left their many years ago for Illinois, to maybe better them selves and then ran into hardships of being on outer fringes of civilization at the time they left the Hinton , Talcott, Lowell, area in 1836, I have some old letter's from that area written about the living condition at that time in West Virginia, anyway thanks for writing,,,,,, Richard Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cox" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > Such enticing stories need to keep going and so I add mine to the list: > > To quote a line from "Clyde Maxey" in VA - "we were so poor even poor folks > called us poor" > > Pinto beans were the staple of our meals; no pinto beans, no meal - subsided > by squirrel, rabbit, groundhogs and various fish (suckers, carp, etc) > (opening day of squirrel season in Greenbrier County was kinda celebrated by > "squirrel tails hanging from auto antennas"), a few chickens and > occasionally "a pig" in the pen (that was covered with salt to preserve it > (no fridge available)"" > > As with many of you researchers what I thought to be a miserable life I have > since learned my childhood was the best it could be - I have come across > so much incest in distant family members and other problems unknown to me > till now (these will mostly go with me to my grave due to living relatives > effected). > > The son of a WV Coal Miner who was taken at an early age by an automobile > accident VS the coal mines that would have eventually claimed his > life......... > > John in South Dakota > > > > > Yes Doris and Jay. > > > > My grandparent had a farm in the old True area and my parent was married > > their and my brother was born at home in the old True area. The post > > office was moved up the hill because of the Dam. It was located under > > the waterline for the dam and had to be moved. My grandfathers farm was > > just able that line and the government would not buy his farm. He walk > > away from it and got a farm at Pipestem. > > > > My father tried farming and was no good at it. He finally when to work > > at the Steel Mill in Alloy. We didn't realize that we were "poor". We > > were happy and had food on the table. Mom and Dad worked. Mom work for > > the Fayette County School parttime in the School Kitchen and as Janitor. > > This was til Dad had his heartattack in January of 1964 and we moved to > > Florida in October 1964 and we have lived here ever since. But again. > > There was food on the table and presents under the tree and we never > > questioned what the income was. It is only now that I have finish my BA > > - graduated last Saturday from Warner Southern College here in Lake > > Wales. I just started my Masters in Management and will if God will in > > 2008. I guess at 53 that is an accomplish that I never thought that I > > would do. > > > > But family history is really my passion. > > > > Take care everyone. Where there is a will there will be a way - sooner > > or later > > > > Sandy > > Cocoa, Florida > > Lilly, Gore, Moten, Plumley, Shumate, > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jay R Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:01 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > > > > > Yes Doris, I can recall many, many meals of beans and potatoes, > > cornbread or > > biscuits. > > > > We managed to farm and grew most of our food, including the meats. My > > dad > > was, of course, a coal miner (which ultimately killed him with "black > > lung" > > disease) and me an my siblings worked our farm. > > > > Ton of work, but lots of fun too. Had a really good life, for which I > > thank > > God every day. > > > > Jay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > > > > >> Jay: > >> > >> I had this same conversation with one of my co-workers today. We may > >> have been poor but we didn't know it so it didn't make a difference. > >> She said they were lucky to have one piece of meat and one piece of > >> cheese on a sandwich. > >> Then she met her future Jewish husband and made him one of those > >> sandwiches. He > >> asked what it was (you know they put at least a half lb. of meat on > > their > >> sandwich). > >> > >> Doris Snyder > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > >> the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 > >> months. 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Such enticing stories need to keep going and so I add mine to the list: To quote a line from "Clyde Maxey" in VA - "we were so poor even poor folks called us poor" Pinto beans were the staple of our meals; no pinto beans, no meal - subsided by squirrel, rabbit, groundhogs and various fish (suckers, carp, etc) (opening day of squirrel season in Greenbrier County was kinda celebrated by "squirrel tails hanging from auto antennas"), a few chickens and occasionally "a pig" in the pen (that was covered with salt to preserve it (no fridge available)"" As with many of you researchers what I thought to be a miserable life I have since learned my childhood was the best it could be - I have come across so much incest in distant family members and other problems unknown to me till now (these will mostly go with me to my grave due to living relatives effected). The son of a WV Coal Miner who was taken at an early age by an automobile accident VS the coal mines that would have eventually claimed his life......... John in South Dakota > Yes Doris and Jay. > > My grandparent had a farm in the old True area and my parent was married > their and my brother was born at home in the old True area. The post > office was moved up the hill because of the Dam. It was located under > the waterline for the dam and had to be moved. My grandfathers farm was > just able that line and the government would not buy his farm. He walk > away from it and got a farm at Pipestem. > > My father tried farming and was no good at it. He finally when to work > at the Steel Mill in Alloy. We didn't realize that we were "poor". We > were happy and had food on the table. Mom and Dad worked. Mom work for > the Fayette County School parttime in the School Kitchen and as Janitor. > This was til Dad had his heartattack in January of 1964 and we moved to > Florida in October 1964 and we have lived here ever since. But again. > There was food on the table and presents under the tree and we never > questioned what the income was. It is only now that I have finish my BA > - graduated last Saturday from Warner Southern College here in Lake > Wales. I just started my Masters in Management and will if God will in > 2008. I guess at 53 that is an accomplish that I never thought that I > would do. > > But family history is really my passion. > > Take care everyone. Where there is a will there will be a way - sooner > or later > > Sandy > Cocoa, Florida > Lilly, Gore, Moten, Plumley, Shumate, > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay R Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > > Yes Doris, I can recall many, many meals of beans and potatoes, > cornbread or > biscuits. > > We managed to farm and grew most of our food, including the meats. My > dad > was, of course, a coal miner (which ultimately killed him with "black > lung" > disease) and me an my siblings worked our farm. > > Ton of work, but lots of fun too. Had a really good life, for which I > thank > God every day. > > Jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > >> Jay: >> >> I had this same conversation with one of my co-workers today. We may >> have been poor but we didn't know it so it didn't make a difference. >> She said they were lucky to have one piece of meat and one piece of >> cheese on a sandwich. >> Then she met her future Jewish husband and made him one of those >> sandwiches. He >> asked what it was (you know they put at least a half lb. of meat on > their >> sandwich). >> >> Doris Snyder >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >> the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 >> months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com >> 10:18:18 PM ET - 1/16/2006 >> > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Yes Doris and Jay. My grandparent had a farm in the old True area and my parent was married their and my brother was born at home in the old True area. The post office was moved up the hill because of the Dam. It was located under the waterline for the dam and had to be moved. My grandfathers farm was just able that line and the government would not buy his farm. He walk away from it and got a farm at Pipestem. My father tried farming and was no good at it. He finally when to work at the Steel Mill in Alloy. We didn't realize that we were "poor". We were happy and had food on the table. Mom and Dad worked. Mom work for the Fayette County School parttime in the School Kitchen and as Janitor. This was til Dad had his heartattack in January of 1964 and we moved to Florida in October 1964 and we have lived here ever since. But again. There was food on the table and presents under the tree and we never questioned what the income was. It is only now that I have finish my BA - graduated last Saturday from Warner Southern College here in Lake Wales. I just started my Masters in Management and will if God will in 2008. I guess at 53 that is an accomplish that I never thought that I would do. But family history is really my passion. Take care everyone. Where there is a will there will be a way - sooner or later Sandy Cocoa, Florida Lilly, Gore, Moten, Plumley, Shumate, -----Original Message----- From: Jay R Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV Yes Doris, I can recall many, many meals of beans and potatoes, cornbread or biscuits. We managed to farm and grew most of our food, including the meats. My dad was, of course, a coal miner (which ultimately killed him with "black lung" disease) and me an my siblings worked our farm. Ton of work, but lots of fun too. Had a really good life, for which I thank God every day. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > Jay: > > I had this same conversation with one of my co-workers today. We may > have been poor but we didn't know it so it didn't make a difference. > She said they were lucky to have one piece of meat and one piece of > cheese on a sandwich. > Then she met her future Jewish husband and made him one of those > sandwiches. He > asked what it was (you know they put at least a half lb. of meat on their > sandwich). > > Doris Snyder > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 > months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 10:18:18 PM ET - 1/16/2006 > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Sorry, wrong bunch of Bowles. If there was any connection, I'm not aware of it. I also lived in Summers County, but it's a big county. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherranlynn Nichols" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > No, he was the son of William Bowles and Louvina Richmond, there lived in > Summers Co. > > Charles married Ada Gardner d/o Rufus and Mary Marshall Gardner--- > > At 01:07 AM 1/18/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Sherran lynn, Jay Smith here. Was your Charles Bowles the son of Ed & >>Lynne, and brother to Otho P. Bowles ???? If so, your search is going to >>lead you to the Elyria & Lorain, Ohio area, where I believe Otho's two >>sons, Burton and Paul, still live. >> >>Sometimes, the long shots pays off too. >> >>Jay >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherranlynn Nichols" >><[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:46 AM >>Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV >> >> >>>I am researching Bowles, and have Virginia and John Duncan in my file. >>>My two half brothers were Bowles....grandsons of Charles Stanton Bowles >>> >>>any connection? >>> >>>At 10:21 PM 1/16/2006, you wrote: >>>>John: >>>> >>>>I have a line that connects to those Bowles. >>>> >>>>Doris Snyder >>>> >>>> >>>>============================== >>>>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>>>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >>>ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >>>Learn more: >>>http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com >>>12:46:55 AM ET - 1/18/2006 >> >> >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 12:16:32 PM ET - 1/18/2006 >

No, he was the son of William Bowles and Louvina Richmond, there lived in Summers Co. Charles married Ada Gardner d/o Rufus and Mary Marshall Gardner--- At 01:07 AM 1/18/2006, you wrote: >Hi Sherran lynn, Jay Smith here. Was your Charles Bowles the son of Ed & >Lynne, and brother to Otho P. Bowles ???? If so, your search is going to >lead you to the Elyria & Lorain, Ohio area, where I believe Otho's two >sons, Burton and Paul, still live. > >Sometimes, the long shots pays off too. > >Jay > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherranlynn Nichols" ><[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:46 AM >Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > > >>I am researching Bowles, and have Virginia and John Duncan in my >>file. My two half brothers were Bowles....grandsons of Charles Stanton Bowles >> >>any connection? >> >>At 10:21 PM 1/16/2006, you wrote: >>>John: >>> >>>I have a line that connects to those Bowles. >>> >>>Doris Snyder >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> >>============================== >>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >>ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >>Learn more: >>http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________________ >>Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com >>12:46:55 AM ET - 1/18/2006 > > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Jay, Are you connected to these Bowles? Ed was s/o Alexander and Louisa Adkins Bowles - these are my great grandparents through their daughter Cynthia who md James Henry Hicks. I am always interested in learing more about this family. I may be out of touch for a couple weeks, but let me know if you have more info. Carol Jay R Smith <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Sherran lynn, Jay Smith here. Was your Charles Bowles the son of Ed & Lynne, and brother to Otho P. Bowles ???? If so, your search is going to lead you to the Elyria & Lorain, Ohio area, where I believe Otho's two sons, Burton and Paul, still live. Sometimes, the long shots pays off too. Jay

Hi Sherran lynn, Jay Smith here. Was your Charles Bowles the son of Ed & Lynne, and brother to Otho P. Bowles ???? If so, your search is going to lead you to the Elyria & Lorain, Ohio area, where I believe Otho's two sons, Burton and Paul, still live. Sometimes, the long shots pays off too. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherranlynn Nichols" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV >I am researching Bowles, and have Virginia and John Duncan in my file. My >two half brothers were Bowles....grandsons of Charles Stanton Bowles > > any connection? > > At 10:21 PM 1/16/2006, you wrote: >>John: >> >>I have a line that connects to those Bowles. >> >>Doris Snyder >> >> >>============================== >>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 12:46:55 AM ET - 1/18/2006 >

Yes Doris, I can recall many, many meals of beans and potatoes, cornbread or biscuits. We managed to farm and grew most of our food, including the meats. My dad was, of course, a coal miner (which ultimately killed him with "black lung" disease) and me an my siblings worked our farm. Ton of work, but lots of fun too. Had a really good life, for which I thank God every day. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > Jay: > > I had this same conversation with one of my co-workers today. We may have > been poor but we didn't know it so it didn't make a difference. She said > they > were lucky to have one piece of meat and one piece of cheese on a > sandwich. > Then she met her future Jewish husband and made him one of those > sandwiches. He > asked what it was (you know they put at least a half lb. of meat on their > sandwich). > > Doris Snyder > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 10:18:18 PM ET - 1/16/2006 >

I am researching Bowles, and have Virginia and John Duncan in my file. My two half brothers were Bowles....grandsons of Charles Stanton Bowles any connection? At 10:21 PM 1/16/2006, you wrote: >John: > >I have a line that connects to those Bowles. > >Doris Snyder > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Doris - thanks for your response - At the present time I don't have any "Bowles" in my files - the DUNCAN line is the first appearance of BOWLES. John ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [WVSUMMER] Vale, WV > John: > > I have a line that connects to those Bowles. > > Doris Snyder > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hi again John; If you came from Dawson on rte 3 into Elton, you definitely came thru Lawn. We'll forgive you for not recalling though, since I-64 virtually wiped it out, and it wasn't exactly some place that would stick in your mind in the first place. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cox" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:34 PM Subject: [WVSUMMER] Re: (SUMMER) Vale WV > Jay - did you know the Rock Island school was purchased privately and > moved about one mile from it's original location and now sits on Rt 3?? > Will send you a picture of the school at it's original location and one of > where it now sits--I had at least one COX Cousin attend school there in > 1937 - My parents lived in Elton in 1937 when they were first married - > memory tells me they lived above the store in Elton. > > Last Summer I got off I-64 at the Dawson exit - I had planned to go to > Springdale but wound up coming into Elton on Rt 3. Might have went thru > Lawn but don't recall............. > > Every summer I travel by Toledo on I-80 on my way East..........sometimes > even come back that way.......... > > Nostalgia is good for the mind; a little of that and one will be entering > new stuff in the family files !!! > > John in SD > > > On Jan 16 Jay wrote: > Hi; Lawn, WV is one of those places that you almost can't get to from > here. >> >> Best way I know how to describe it is; Route 20, about half way between >> Hinton and Rainelle, there is a settlement called Elton, which is where I >> grew up. >> >> At Elton, Route 3 branches off Rte 20 and goes east. Take rte 3 (@1 >> mile, >> you'll go by where I lived) up to the top of the mountain where the road >> levels out, and that's Lawn, WV. Continue on and you come to Grassy >> Meadows, the Dawson, where rte 3 ends. >> >> Years back, Lawn was a settlement of perhaps a dozen or so farms/families >> (as was Elton), and it had a 1 room church, and old country store. You >> could buy gas at Elton, but not at Lawn. >> >> Nowadays, with the Interstate, and no work, both places are virtual ghost >> towns, sad to say. >> >> I had the distinct honor of starting grade school, in 1947, in a Norman >> Rockwell type old one room school house called Rock Island, where grades >> 1 >> thru 8 were taught, spread over a group of maybe 25 kids. >> >> Lord, them were the days !! Had so much fun growing up. Everyone was >> dirt >> poor, but we didn't know it, so it didn't matter, cause we had FAMILY. >> >> I gotta get off this nostalgia highway now, or I'll never get anything >> else >> done. >> >> Glad to make your aquaintance. >> >> Jay > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 6:35:08 PM ET - 1/16/2006 >

John: I have a line that connects to those Bowles. Doris Snyder

Jay: I had this same conversation with one of my co-workers today. We may have been poor but we didn't know it so it didn't make a difference. She said they were lucky to have one piece of meat and one piece of cheese on a sandwich. Then she met her future Jewish husband and made him one of those sandwiches. He asked what it was (you know they put at least a half lb. of meat on their sandwich). Doris Snyder