As you may have seen from some previous posts I am researching the families that lived in the community known as the South Branch in the mid to late 1700s.  According to "The History of Hardy County 1786 - 1986"  by Richard MacMaster. There were a Few Hornbecks in the area. The first mentioned was Daniel Hornbeck (as listed in a coroner's Jury) with Anthony Bogard, John Westfall and Cornelius Cutright sworn on their report in 1749. who was this Daniel Hornbeck? Next there was a Joel Hornbeck mentioned to be on the 1750 tax roll for Augusta Co. on the South Branch.  Does anyone know who he is? I imagine that Elizabeth Hornbeck must have come to the Valley with her Husband Hendrick Cutright.  would any of her Brothers come as well as Westfalls, Cutrights and Hornbecks all seem fairly close.  And there were Westfalls there too. I imagine that Judith (Judlike) Hornbeck came there with her husband Colonel Jacob Westfall. John and Esther (Hornbeck) Truby may have been there as well. and an unrelated question.  Who was Sarah (Vernoy) Hornbeck the daughter of. Sarah's Mother was Sarah Vernoy. and her husband was Johannes Wesley Westfall, (1724-1789) son of Abel Westfall and Anna Bogard. That is enough to get things started. Jay Steffens

Marian, Here is some information that I hope will help you: > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:04:34 EDT > > Just found out in my Canfield file that I as related to Warner Hornbeck and a > Anna De Hooges.� Their daughter Eva Hornbeck wo married Cornelius Bogard had a > daughter Anna Bogard. Warnaar Hornbeck, b. btwn 1645-48, Son of Joos Van Hoornbeeke and Sarah Warnaar(t)sdr � (Joos b. aprox 1604 married 1635 and d. bef 1645)� (Sarah b. aprox 1617, d/o Warnaar) Warnaar Hornbeck married Anna De Hooges abt 1670 in Esopus NY. He d. about 1715. � Their Daughter Eva (Iffje) was christened 18 Jun 1671, prob Esopus NY.� She married Cornelius Bogaert on 16 Jul 1696. � I know of two children to this couple, Anetje (anna) Bogart and Gysbert (Gaisbert) Bogart. > Anna married Abel Westfall, they had a son Cornelius Westfall. Anna married Abel Westfall b. 6 or 9 May 1697.� They were married at Fox Hall Manor, NY 25 Feb 1717.� They moved from the NY area to Augusta Co. VA along the South Branch of the Potomac River, Just south of today's Moorefield, Hardy Co., WV.� Abel was recieved the 400 acres of land Oct 6, 1748 and has ben seen on the Aug 28, 1750 tax poll. � Cornelius was their second child, and oldest sonborn 15Oct 1721 while they were still in NY. Machackemech, Kingston NY to be exact. > Cornelius married a Elizabeth Westfall?, they had a son Issac Westfall. Cornelius did infact Marry Elizabeth Westfall his first Cousin, Daughter of his Uncle Jacob and Margrietje De Duyster.� Cornelius married her in Sineaquan NY on 20 Nov 1747.� Cornelius did not go to VA with the rest of the family (Abel, Jacob, John,etc.) He stayed with his new wife in NY or NJ.� Elizabeth was a member of the Dutch reformed church in Minisink, NJ.� Though he recieved his Father's 400 acres when he passed away, he sold it off in 1761 only a few years later from NJ.�� Elizabeth died young in 1767 at 40.� Cornelius did finally move west in 1773 to Randolf County WV.� Where he passed on in either 1783 or 1793.� As far as I can tell he never did remarry. > Isaac married someone Bogard? or Weese?� They had a daughter Mary Westfall. We are pretty much cousins.� I am related through this line as well, through their Cornelius' son Zachariah and hannah Wolfe. Zachariah's Brother Isaac was born 1763 and died in 1803. That is all I know, I do not know where.� Zach. came west with his father in 1774, I can only assume Isaac and the other kids did too. The children were in this order: Annatje "Anna" b. 1748, married Abraham Sluiter, Margaret b.1750, married Hezekiah Rozenkranz Jacob b.1753, Cornelius Jr. b.1759, married Elizabeth Helmick John, b. 1760, d. 1824, married Margaret Wolfe (Served in Rev War) Isaac b. 1763 d. 1803 (It would appear that he was only 40.) Zach b. 1765 d. 1835 Mary Caroline b. 1768 I had no information on a marriage for Isaac till I read your post.� Looks like we need to find out who she was, Bogaard or Weese, so I will simultaneously post this to the WESTFALL mailing list as well. > Mary married Daniel Canfield.�� I need dates, My information came from > Clifford Canfield and FTM CD.� So I maybe wrong.� Correct me, help me, please > and thankyou. > > Marian Jordan from Arkansas. Jay Steffens Hope this helps somebody. P.S.Please correct me where I am off and fill in the blanks where is am missing pieces anybody oout there.

Well i am a believer in people and when she is ill we all should be women and man enough to all keep it going. I am not starting out to well but it is only one posting. I will not do it again. Greet her for me and i wish her the best. She is in Gods hands now. But she also has my prayers. Viola.

This message was sent by Carole Tyler, [email protected] to the Tyler-L list originally. >To all subscribers on the Tyler List, > It is with a sad and very heavy heart that I must inform you of the >illness of our Listowner, Sandra Tyler Duncan. Sandy had a stroke 3 days >ago. Her left side is paralyzed and her speech affected. It will be a long >and hard recovery for her due to other complications. > I have been friends with Sandy now for almost 2 years. We talk on the >phone often and I will miss these talks very much. I can tell you that she >is one very special lady who has went way beyond the call to help others on >this list and her other lists. > I ask you, urge you, and yes even beg you to please take the time to send >her a card and a few words of encouragement. It would be a huge help to her. > Her address is: [given with permission] > Sandra Tyler Duncan > 1101 Arcade Blvd. > Sacramento, CA 95815 > >And please remember her in your prayers if you can. >I will keep you updated on her condition. In the meantime I hope there's >someone out there who can keep this list going. I don't know at this point >if Sandy will be back on line or not. I am a computer dummy and only do >e-mail and searches. >Carole in CA > Hi Everyone, Those of us who've been on the list a while know that Sandra considers this list strictly genealogy...no lost children messages, no virus warnings, etc....I made an exception in this case. If Sandra doesn't like it, well, she'll just have to get better and come and kick my fanny! Seriously though, folks, Sandra means a lot to us. Lets keep her in our prayers. Valerie

Hi Everyone! Below is a message from the National USGenWeb Archives Coordinator, Linda Lewis. Let me extend my heartiest thanks to all of the Randolph County Volunteers who have submitted data....without you, this would not have been possible! Thanks for sharing! Valerie ********************** By the time you receive this message, the USGenWeb Archives will have a GIG of data online! :) Thanks to all the dedicated volunteers and submitters that want to share genealogy. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/newstats.html Linda ********************** Valerie Forren Crook email: [email protected] USGenWeb Coordinator for: Greenbrier Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgreenb/> Randolph Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvrandol/> ASC for the WVGenWeb Project <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/> ListManager of the WVGREENB-L List WV Tombstone Project Manager <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/westvirg.html> PROUD RootsWeb Donor <http://www.rootsweb.com> HomePage <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~vfcrook/>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_909493246_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is from a Kentucky List. Does anyone know where to look for such info in WV? --part0_909493246_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.glasgow-ky.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (rly-zb01.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.1]) by air-zb04.mail.aol.com (v50.22) with SMTP; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:58:49 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id GAA02449; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA20850; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 03:56:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 03:56:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <[email protected]> X-Sender: [email protected] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:57:00 -0600 Old-To: [email protected] From: Sandi Gorin <[email protected]> Subject: TIP #194 - THE "DDD" SCHEDULE - 1880 CENSUS X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bl-14.rootsweb.com id DAA20377 Resent-Message-ID: <"KxOKKB.A.o-E.KTbN2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/177 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable TIP #194 - THE "DDD" SCHEDULE - 1880 CENSUS Thanks to Bill Utterback, an outstanding genealogist, I have learned about a special form of which I had never heard! It has great potential fo= r providing a rich vein of information if accessed. I would like to thank Bill for permission to post this to the KYRESEARCH list. The resource is known as: The "Supplemental Schedules 1-7: Defective, Dependent and Delinquent Classes" of the 1880 census. The 1880 census year was the only time that these schedules were a part of the decenniel census process. In 1880, there was a growing interest in health and social reform= .These schedules were an effort to provide needed statistical data toward that end. I quote now from Bill Utterback: "We are all aware that the federal population schedules enumerated individuals who were classified as "insane" or "idiots"(and there is a difference), those in prisons, those deaf and mute, blind, homeless children, and paupers and indigents. But 98% of all genealogists are unaware that the census takers in 1880 were required, after they had enumerated an individual who fell into one of these classifications, to then go to one of the 7 schedules set aside for these categories and ask additional, probing questions of these individuals, if they were capable o= f answering. The instructions to the census taker directed him to do so and provided the questions he was to ask. For an "insane inhabitant", for example, the census taker was to elicit the following data from the individual or his/her caretaker, in addition to what he had already enumerated on the regular population schedule: Residence when at home Form of illness Is patient a paying patient? Duration of present attack Total number of attacks Age at which first attack occurred Does the person require to be usually or often kept in a cell...? Has this person ever been an inmate of any hospital or asylum for the insane and if so, where? What has been the total length of time spent by him/her in his/her life in such asylums? Is this person also an epileptic? Is the person suicidal? Is the person homicidal? Another example I'll show is what was asked about homeless children: Residence when at home Is this child's father deceased? Is this child's mother deceased? Has this child been abandoned by his/her parents? Has this child's parents surrendered the control over him/he= r to the institution? Was the child born in this institution? If not so born, state year when admitted Is this child illegitimate? Is this child separated from his/her living mother? Has he/she ever been arrested? If so, for what alleged offen= se? Has he/she ever been convicted or sentenced? Has the origin of this child been respectable? Has he/she been rescued from criminal surroundings? Is this child blind? Is he/she a deaf-mute? If he/she an idiot? This is marvelous anecdotal information at the very least, and can be very important insofar as addressing the question of where the person resides "when at home", and the census takers were admonished in the instructions, to realize that the mere fact that they are in an institutio= n in one locale does not mean that they reside in that place. The questions for paupers and indigents included such questions as: what other members of the person's family are in the establishment (such a= s a poorhouse), and it even gives separate lines for husband, wife, mother, father, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, and many of the other question= s noted above are also asked. So, what do we do - now that we know about the DDD Schedules - when w= e next see a person who is of interest to us in the 1880 census, and the person is shown as indigent or pauper or homeless, or insane, etc.? We wil= l know to go to the DDD Schedules and look for them again, and see if we can gain some additional information about them, as individuals, and about their family, their place of residence, and other items. Where do we find the DDD Schedules? For Kentucky, the originals (2 volumes) are located in the Duke University Library Manuscript Collection in Durham, NC. But, they have been microfilmed by the National Archives an= d Kentucky's are Microform Record M1528. So that film can be ordered and vie= wed. I hope that when you are next working the 1880 census, this info on the "forgotten" schedules from that year will prove to be a help." I haven't seen a copy of this schedule to date, but will certainly se= e if I can obtain a copy! I asked Bill if these are available for every county in Kentucky and his reply was: "As far as I know, these are available for all counties, everywhere in the country. All of KY's are on one reel of microfilm. I looked at Calloway County several years ago and there were about 50 people listed. The larger numbers would be in places like Hopkinsville, where the state insane asylum was in those days, plus the bigger cities, such as Louisville. There were some of the less populated counties that only had a few people listed. So it all fits prett= y easily onto one roll of film. =A9 Copyright 27 October 1998, Sandra K. Gorin, All rights reserved, [email protected] Sandi Gorin - A Kentucky Colonel 205 Clements Ave., Glasgow, KY 42141 (502) 651-9114 PUBLISHING: http://www.members.tripod.com/~GorinS/index.html BARREN CO OBITS, WILLS, DEEDS & BIBLE RECORDS: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ky/BarrenObits KYRESEARCHING TIPS: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ky/Tips --part0_909493246_boundary--

Thanks for the wonderful site on University of Michigan- MOA Project. Already have visited several books. Again WOW! Deborah

While quoting the orignial message reminds members on the mail list what you are answering, at the same time it is causing long messages that are needless, especially when mime is used. There are individuals on these mail lists that are charged for time while accessing their mail. There is an option on all popular broswers under the options menu that you can click on that when you reply to a message where the original message is not automatically sent back. When I want to quote a message I cut and paste only the parts in question. I also realize that there are many individuals using computers and the internet for the first time and this is just a helpful reminder that such an option exists. This will also save space on the servers at Rootsweb where all of our messages are archived. I enjoy all of list I am currently subscribed to and enjoy all of the decisions pretaining to genealogy. Please excuse this breech of non-genealogy comments. Sheryl Ware Tuck

Hi Everyone, The University of Michigan has lots of old books on-line, and this is one of them: Author:[Kennedy, Philip Pendleton] Title:The Blackwater chronicle, a narrative of an expedition into the land of Canaan, in Randolph County, Virginia ... Publication Date:1853 City:New York, Publisher:Redfield, Pages:242 pages <http://www.umdl.umich.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=AAW1616> The main Making of America site is <http://www.umdl.umich.edu/moa/index.html> and has a search engine. Happy Hunting! Valerie Valerie Forren Crook email: [email protected] USGenWeb Coordinator for: Greenbrier Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgreenb/> Randolph Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvrandol/> ASC for the WVGenWeb Project <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/> ListManager of the WVGREENB-L List WV Tombstone Project Manager <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/westvirg.html> PROUD RootsWeb Donor <http://www.rootsweb.com> HomePage <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~vfcrook/>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_908646693_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Does this sound familiary....... The Elusive Ancestor I went searching for an ancestor, I cannot find him still. He moved around from place to place and did not leave a will. He married where a courthouse burned, he mended all his fences. He avoided any man who came to take the U.S. Census. He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame, And every 20 years or so, this rascal changed his name. His parents came from Europe. They should be on some list of passengers to the U.S.A., but somehow they got missed. And no one else in this world is searching for this man. So, I play geneasolitaire to find him if I can. I'm told he's buried in a plot, with tombstone he was blessed; but the weather took engraving, and some vandals took the rest. He died before the county clerks decided to keep records. No family Bible has emerged, in spite of all my efforts. To top it off, this ancestor who caused me many groans, Just to give me one more pain, betrothed a girl named JONES! --part0_908646693_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.gvtc.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-ya05.mx.aol.com (rly-ya05.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.197]) by air-ya04.mx.aol.com (v50.21) with SMTP; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:39:30 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-ya05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id MAA16632; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01130; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:17:09 -0500 From: Marlene <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Old-To: "Fauquier CO,VA" <[email protected]> Subject: Just a little humor Resent-Message-ID: <"tNmkbB.A.cR.LRMK2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/232 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hope no one minds, but thought we all could relate to this. The Elusive Ancestor I went searching for an ancestor, I cannot find him still. He moved around from place to place and did not leave a will. He married where a courthouse burned, he mended all his fences. He avoided any man who came to take the U.S. Census. He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame, And every 20 years or so, this rascal changed his name. His parents came from Europe. They should be on some list of passengers to the U.S.A., but somehow they got missed. And no one else in this world is searching for this man. So, I play geneasolitaire to find him if I can. I'm told he's buried in a plot, with tombstone he was blessed; but the weather took engraving, and some vandals took the rest. He died before the county clerks decided to keep records. No family Bible has emerged, in spite of all my efforts. To top it off, this ancestor who caused me many groans, Just to give me one more pain, betrothed a girl named JONES! ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received when you subscribed to this list. Feel free to contact Yvonne James-Henderson,list administrator mailto:[email protected] with questions concerning this list! --part0_908646693_boundary--

Hi Everyone, Here's another query...maybe someone knows more about Larry's DAVIS family. Thanks, Valerie -------------------------- My grandfather was Claude Leo Davis and my grandmother was Sarah Catherine Kennedy. My mother was Pearl Nora Davis and they lived in Mill Creek. There was a son named John Ransom Davis. I have not been able to find any trace of the grandparents or her brother. Something happened because I have a picture showing my mother about age 15, her brother john and 2 step sisters and 1 step brother named Violet, Lillie and Edward Tingley. The picture was taken about 1923. So far I have not been able to find any information about any of them..Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have been looking for almost 30 years. Larry Wertz <[email protected]> -------------------------

Hi Everybody! Can someone help Edna with her HAYS family? Her email address is <[email protected]> Valerie ------------------------------------ I am looking for information on my gg-grandfather, William Hays, who was supposedly born in Randolf County West VA 17 October 1824. I do not know his parents names, but they supposedly were both born in VA also. In 1839 William and his father moved to IL. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Edna e-mail [email protected] -------------------------------------

I just noticed I sent a request for an Ohio Census look-up to the wrong address. Sorry, Liz

Would one of you be so kind as to do a census look-up for me. Probably the best one to check would be 1860. Jacob BOWMAN son of John BOWMAN was born in Cincinnati, OH in 1854. I don't have ready access to the Ohio census or the LDS. Thanks for any help, Liz Michigan [email protected] Http://www.concentric.net/~Las2u Descendants of John Bowman Generation No. 1 1. John1 Bowman was born Abt. 1835 in not known, and died Unknown in not known. Child of John Bowman is: + 2 i. Jacob Victor2 Bowman, born Nov 30, 1854 in Cincinnati, OH; died Feb 05, 1930 in Pgh., PA. Generation No. 2 2. Jacob Victor2 Bowman (John1) was born Nov 30, 1854 in Cincinnati, OH1, and died Feb 05, 1930 in Pgh., PA1. He married (1) Ada Brain Bef. 1888. He married (2) Pauline Erath Aft. 1888, daughter of Philip Erath and Marie Hartz. Children of Jacob Bowman and Ada Brain are: 3 i. Raymond Leonard3 Bowman, born Jan 26, 1888; died Jul 15, 1961 in Pittsburgh, PA. He married Olive Emma Wagener Jun 16, 1909. 4 ii. Everett Bowman, born Abt. 1893. 5 iii. Earl Bowman, born Unknown. Endnotes 1. Death Certificate.

I am hoping that someone may have some information on my gggrandfather James Henry Davidson, about whom I know very little except that he was b. in Harrison Co. in 1816 and had at least two brothers, Alexander and Levi. He moved to IL at least by 1840 with at least one of his brothers, because he married Lucinda Rector in Edgar Co. in 1841 and Alexander married there in 1840 to a Rebecca Smith. Thanks in advance for any help. Alix Von Bosen

Interested in Melker Smarr Born Randolph co.

in searching the family tree maker site for hits i found references to these two family trees that have the haddix lines in them family trees- vol 4/2418 and 14/1293 I am interested in these two trees if any has them and will send them to me I do not have family tree maker, so they have to be in the gedcom format thanks Kevin Williams

I am seeking information on the KERBY/KIRBY and LOFTUS/LOFTIS families. Michael KERBY/KIRBY. Born in Ireland in 1802, emigrated and came to Randolph County, VA later WV. Emigration prob in the 1850's. DIed August 1889 in Randolph County. Married to Katherine (?). Child of Mary b. 1844 in Ireland, married to John LOFTUS/LOFTIS in Randolph County. Mother of James (b. 1867) & Michael (b. 1869) LOFTUS/LOFTIS. Both born in Randolph Co. John LOFTUS/LOFTIS Mary's husband was born in Ireland 1840 died in Randolph County 1870. His Parents were Daniel and Mary (?). They probably both emigrated to VA/WV also. Any help will be appreciated.

My wife's ancestor Alexander BURKE/BOURKE/BURK/BERK and his brother, Thomas, were born in Newtowncashel, Co. Longford, Ireland in the early 1840's. : Emigrated to Coalton, Randolph County, VA/WV before 1860's. : Their father's name was Michael. Mother was Mary or ROWAN. Its possible that she emigrated to Randolph County, Virginia in the 1840's-1850's. Any assistance will be appreciated

Searching for info on Jessie BRYANT, b. ca 1893 in Randolph Co., who married Charles Robert BEATHE in 1919 in Nicholas Co. thanks - bj