At the moment I can't find the newspaper articles i have on the subject but I will relay them when I find them. I do recall that Joe Brown was "shooting his pistols in the air", and shot the unarmed Sheriff, when he attempted to arrest him. He was arrested later at a lumber camp, but escaped. As I recall he was apprehended in Michigan and extradited back to Whitmer. That's when he was lynched. There was even a picture of his body swinging from the light pole in the paper at the time. My Great Grandfather--Andrew Hedrick was the JOP. At 06:24 PM 02/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Neil...what else do you know about the incident? Did your grandfather tell >you the story? Who was the JOP? >Do tell! there are lots of us interested >Pat Saletore >psaletore@prodigy.net >psaletore@abilityfirst.org >Santa Clarita, CA >----- Original Message ----- >From: Neil <sprtpr@neo.rr.com> >To: <WVRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:13 PM >Subject: Re: [WVRANDOL-L] Joe Brown--for Robin K. or open question > > > > This account is not accurate.. He was arrested after shooting the >sheriff. > > He was the town bully. He escaped and returned a year later. That's when > > he was lynched. Yes he was hanged from a town light pole There is a lot > > more to the story.......do the research.......... > > > > The Whitmer's Justice of the Peace's Great Grandson....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:42 PM 02/02/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Joe Brown was a drifter. I think people were giving him a hard time. He >was > > >in the saloon and a fight broke out and he shot his gun and it grazed the > > >Sherrifs ear. It didnt hurt the sheriff at all. > > > > > >They sent a posse out looking for him, found him, and hung him in the >middle > > >of town. It was a very violent hanging and one that did not have to >happen. > > > > > > > > >My Great Grandmother told me she was on the way to the store to get a >loaf of > > >bread and she saw what was happening and she got so scared she swallowed >the > > >dime and ran home! > > > > > >He is buried in the graveyard where my relatives are buried. > > > > > > > > >==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > > >Post that query on the list. > > >You never know, someone may be able to help you. > > > > > > > > >============================== > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > >go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > > Give someone some help and they may help you. > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== >Check out the West Virginia Roots Network at: >http://miadatlantic.rootsweb.com/WV/ > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This account is not accurate.. He was arrested after shooting the sheriff. He was the town bully. He escaped and returned a year later. That's when he was lynched. Yes he was hanged from a town light pole There is a lot more to the story.......do the research.......... The Whitmer's Justice of the Peace's Great Grandson....... At 11:42 PM 02/02/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Joe Brown was a drifter. I think people were giving him a hard time. He was >in the saloon and a fight broke out and he shot his gun and it grazed the >Sherrifs ear. It didnt hurt the sheriff at all. > >They sent a posse out looking for him, found him, and hung him in the middle >of town. It was a very violent hanging and one that did not have to happen. > > >My Great Grandmother told me she was on the way to the store to get a loaf of >bread and she saw what was happening and she got so scared she swallowed the >dime and ran home! > >He is buried in the graveyard where my relatives are buried. > > >==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== >Post that query on the list. >You never know, someone may be able to help you. > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

> Sources > Books > "Joe Brown Lynched Hanged in Front of Whitmer Saloon in 1899," > Inter-Mountain, 5-14- 1988. > > I rest my case about the newspapers...it was in 1909

Thank you, Gloria--I've seen that one on the web too. Do you know of any other talk that's been arround? Pat Saletore psaletore@prodigy.net psaletore@abilityfirst.org Santa Clarita, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Gloria Jean Husk <gjhusk@gloryway.com> To: <WVRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: [WVRANDOL-L] Joe Brown - by David Armstrong > http://webferret.search.com/click?wf,Joe+Brown+lynched,,swcp.com%2F%7Edhickm > an%2Fjournals%2FV5I2%2Fbrown.html,,fastsearch > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------------------------------------- > NOTES ON W. JOE BROWN > by David Armstrong > William Joseph "Joe" Brown was born in Tazewell County, Virginia on 29 June > 1868, a son of William Patton Brown and Lucinda (Whitt) Brown of that > county. After coming to Randolph County he married Susan (Snyder) > Summerfield at Barman, and was lynched at Whitmer in March of 1909. Being by > birth a member of a Brown family and by adoption a descendant of the > Summerfields, I once took considerable interest in this man and this > incident, to see what if any connection Joe Brown might have had to my > family. > > While I found that I am not related to Joe Brown, I did uncover a different > Joe Brown than the one portrayed in the papers at the time. An apparent > alcoholic with a violent temper, Joe Brown was also a true friend, kind to > children, and had many advocates on the Dry Fork among those he called > friends. > > Perhaps much of what was written about him at the time was an outgrowth of > his labor agitations, and may have amounted to a "smear" campaign on the > part of the big out of state timber operators to discredit an individual who > was giving them trouble by demanding that they hire local folks rather than > Europeans. > > Below will be found a sort of "catalogue" of various items of interest that > pertain to the Joe Brown incident. The shorter ones I have abstracted here. > The ones listed below without particulars are ones that were longer and more > detailed, and interested persons can procure copies for themselves of the > items that they are interested in. > > I myself have published articles on Joe Brown in the ELKINS INTER MOUNTAIN > (14 May 1988), and I published a picture in the WEST VIRGINIA HILLBILLY the > in the fall of following year, along with an article entitled "Information > Please on Joe Brown Lynched at Whitmer". The photo was provided and > identified as a photo of Joe Brown by Anna Nelson, of Whitmer, WV, who knew > Brown as a child. The picture was on a post card mailed to Anna Nelson's > sister, Dorah Day, at Laneville, in November of 1909 by Charlie Sites, a > mill worker and restaurant owner at Laneville. > > Sites wrote on the back of the card: "Miss Day as asking you for > correspondence, hope to hear a joly reply this is not a very good picture > but I have a better wan for you best C Sites" > > I have often wondered what Mr. Sites' motive was for such a message on a > photo of Joe Brown, but Mrs. Nelson was adamant that the man in the photo > WAS Brown and that her father knew him. She reported that as a child she sat > on Brown's knee when he would visit her father's house, and that Brown > brought her candy. The photograph bears a strong resemblance to the deceased > Brown, pictured in various publications since his death. It has been > suggested that since Brown made national news perhaps pictures were being > distributed by Sites or others as novelty items. > > In addition to the items below there are also a number of interesting > letters relating to the lynching of Joe Brown in the papers of Governor > Glascock at Colson Hall archives in Morgantown. Interested parties are > referred to those letters in addition to the following. The list of articles > below should not be taken as a complete list of available stories on Joe > Brown, but reading the ones listed should give interested persons a good > start in researching this most interesting chapter in West Virginia law > enforcement history. > > PARSONS ADVOCATE 18 Aug 1904 "Took 18 Men" From the Horton Star - Monday > afternoon Joe Brown proceeded to shoot up the town by walking down railroad > avenue with gun in each hand firing shot after shot in the air. Sergeant > Sponaugle having no gun and being unable to get one went to the mayor and > got warrant and he and mayor formed posse. Brown located at Alph White's > camp above Horton at daybreak Tuesday and an attempt was made to to enter > the house and capture Brown. He started to run but when commanded to halt he > whirled around facing posse with a revolver in each hand and opened fire, > but was met with a fusilade of shots, 18 in all, and surrendered. Locked up > in town. After leaving town on way to Elza's place where he stopped a short > time before proceeding to Whites he met Cap Munson and became engaged in an > altercation. Munson received several blows to the head and neck. > RANDOLPH ENTERPRISE 1 Mar 1905 "Flew the coup" > > POCAHONTAS TIMES 2 Mar 1905 "State News" A prisoner named Brown from > Kentucky, in Randolph County Jail for assault, broke jail by cutting the > bars > > PARSONS ADVOCATE 2 Mar 1905 copies the Randolph Enterprise article entitled > "Flew the Coup" > > RANDOLPH ENTERPRISE 25 Mar 1909 "Lynched Man's Career Sketched" and "Paid > Penalty for Crime" > > PHILIPPI REPUBLICAN 25 Mar 1909 "Taken From Jail and Strung Up" > > CLARKSBURG WEEKLY TELEGRAM 25 Mar 1909 "Mob Hangs man to Pole" > > PHILIPPI REPUBLICAN 25 Mar 1909 "Taken From Jail and Strung Up" Brown was > hanged from a telephone pole at 1:15 AM the morning of March 19th. Brown > broke jail 4 year ago, and eluded officers since. He appeared at Whitmer > Thursday drunk. The party was about fifty lynchers. Young Nordeck of Whitmer > was one of the guards over Brown, says lynchers were alol disguised and wore > masks. He believes there were about 25. Six pistols were pointed at him when > Brown was taken. A posse of about 15 hunted Brown for two hours > > CHARLESTON GAZETTE 23 Mar 1909 "Kump Wires He's Doing His Best To Punish" > Brown buried Saturday afternoon in Potters field at Horton, after a tilt of > 24 hours between officials of Horton cemetery and authorities. Cemetery > officials stoutly refused Browns body and triumphed. Internment attracted a > small crowd of curious but no mourners. Body hauled to Potters field in road > wagon. > > CLARKSBURG WEEKLY TELEGRAM 25 Mar 1909 "Mob Hangs Man To Pole" 1:30AM; Body > was cut down 7:00AM; Justice Hedrick empannel coroner's jury > > RANDOLPH ENTERPRISE 29 Apr 1909 "Brown Was Wanted At Port Huron" a letter > received by chief of police W M Harper would indicate that Joe Brown was > wnated at Port Huron, Michigan. The letter from John S. Whitliff recites the > fact that the writer saw Associated Press accounts of the Brown lynching > inquires whether the initials "JB" were tatooed on his arm. the writer > further states that Brown left Michigan several years ago to go south. Dr. > Crittenden of Whitmer, who attended Brown after he was shot, says that Brown > was covered with tatoo marks. On one arm was tatooed "WJB" together with the > picture of a woman under which was the word "mother". > > RANDOLPH ENTERPRISE 13 Dec 1911 Hendricks, WV, Charles Edward Hedrick > suicide due to remorse from participation in Lynching of Joe Brown at Horton > several years ago. The matter constantly preyed on his mind and drove him to > use drugs. He was found along the railroad track with a bullett in his head. > Was once constable of Dry fork District and later chief of police at > Whitmer. Unmarried, he lived with a sister at Hendricks. > > WEST VIRGINIA HILLBILLY 24 Nov 1956 "Dry Fork Incident of 40 Years Ago" > > RANDOLPH ENTERPRISE 5 Nov 1958 "Lynching of Joe Brown at Whitmer" by Homer > Floyd Fansler > > > WEST VIRGINIA HILLBILLY 7 Oct 1961 "The Day They Hung Joe Brown" - has photo > of Brown hanging > WEST VIRGINIA HILLBILLY 26 Jul 1969 "Story Back of the Hanging of Joe Brown" > byy E. C. Wyatt > > > Pedigree of W. Joe Brown based on Research by David Armstrong > > > The Allegheny Regional Family History Society > Post Office Box 1804 > Elkins, West Virginia, 26241 > arhfs@yahoo.com > > Comments regarding this page to: Deborah Johnson. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------------------------- > > Gloria Jean (Powers) Husk > 114 Arizona Street > Carrabelle, Fl. 32322 > http://www.gloryway.com > Love Always:Glory's Way : > http://www.lovealwaysglorysway.com > > > ==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > Check out the Randolph County USGW site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvrandol/ > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have copies of at least some of the articles. He was born in Tazwell and all that running to and fro was before they put him in jail the first time. He got out and came to Whitmer. From what I have read, however, he was far from being an upstanding citizen. But he has his supporters (and had them then too) He is accused of shooting up the town with a gun in each hand... but what it looks like was that he was probably ok as long as he was sober. I think he was a mean drunk. I've heard portraits of him as a good man...he married a local girl and she seemed to think he was all right. Her family thought a lot of him. I guess he was an organizer with the labor types in the lumber business. Some have said that his colorful exploits were largely invented by the lumber management. I have to wonder. I tend to think that he would on occasion take more than a few, pick fights, and endanger the townfolk. I don't think they would have lynched him if they didn't consider him a danger. Inquiring minds want to know, though. What was the deal? was he hung from a pole like the papers said or from a rope between buildings as I have heard suggested in my family? looking at the photos (which all of the western Jordans have, by the way) there is no pole visible. and you can see almost to the highest point of the rope...there isn't a big angle. I am inclined to believe it was a rope or a cable between poles or buildings. The papers are hardly reliable and obviously biased. They paint Joe as a dangerous criminal and the the people that hung him as dangerous criminals and the people who just wouldn't talk about it...well they're just as bad. Everyone loses. But I am not sure that I believe them verbatim. What we're looking for is oral accounts. It isn't like no one KNEW. They ALL knew. But none of my folks were talking. Pat Pat Saletore psaletore@prodigy.net psaletore@abilityfirst.org Santa Clarita, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil <sprtpr@neo.rr.com> To: <WVRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [WVRANDOL-L] Joe Brown--for Robin K. or open question > At the moment I can't find the newspaper articles i have on the subject but > I will relay them when I find them. I do recall that Joe Brown was > "shooting his pistols in the air", and shot the unarmed Sheriff, when he > attempted to arrest him. He was arrested later at a lumber camp, but > escaped. As I recall he was apprehended in Michigan and extradited back to > Whitmer. That's when he was lynched. There was even a picture of his body > swinging from the light pole in the paper at the time. My Great > Grandfather--Andrew Hedrick was the JOP. > > > > > > > At 06:24 PM 02/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >Neil...what else do you know about the incident? Did your grandfather tell > >you the story? Who was the JOP? > >Do tell! there are lots of us interested > >Pat Saletore > >psaletore@prodigy.net > >psaletore@abilityfirst.org > >Santa Clarita, CA > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Neil <sprtpr@neo.rr.com> > >To: <WVRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:13 PM > >Subject: Re: [WVRANDOL-L] Joe Brown--for Robin K. or open question > > > > > > > This account is not accurate.. He was arrested after shooting the > >sheriff. > > > He was the town bully. He escaped and returned a year later. That's when > > > he was lynched. Yes he was hanged from a town light pole There is a lot > > > more to the story.......do the research.......... > > > > > > The Whitmer's Justice of the Peace's Great Grandson....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:42 PM 02/02/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Joe Brown was a drifter. I think people were giving him a hard time. He > >was > > > >in the saloon and a fight broke out and he shot his gun and it grazed the > > > >Sherrifs ear. It didnt hurt the sheriff at all. > > > > > > > >They sent a posse out looking for him, found him, and hung him in the > >middle > > > >of town. It was a very violent hanging and one that did not have to > >happen. > > > > > > > > > > > >My Great Grandmother told me she was on the way to the store to get a > >loaf of > > > >bread and she saw what was happening and she got so scared she swallowed > >the > > > >dime and ran home! > > > > > > > >He is buried in the graveyard where my relatives are buried. > > > > > > > > > > > >==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > > > >Post that query on the list. > > > >You never know, someone may be able to help you. > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > > >go to: > > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > > > Give someone some help and they may help you. > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > >==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > >Check out the West Virginia Roots Network at: > >http://miadatlantic.rootsweb.com/WV/ > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > Give someone some help and they may help you. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Neil...what else do you know about the incident? Did your grandfather tell you the story? Who was the JOP? Do tell! there are lots of us interested Pat Saletore psaletore@prodigy.net psaletore@abilityfirst.org Santa Clarita, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil <sprtpr@neo.rr.com> To: <WVRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [WVRANDOL-L] Joe Brown--for Robin K. or open question > This account is not accurate.. He was arrested after shooting the sheriff. > He was the town bully. He escaped and returned a year later. That's when > he was lynched. Yes he was hanged from a town light pole There is a lot > more to the story.......do the research.......... > > The Whitmer's Justice of the Peace's Great Grandson....... > > > > > > > > At 11:42 PM 02/02/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Joe Brown was a drifter. I think people were giving him a hard time. He was > >in the saloon and a fight broke out and he shot his gun and it grazed the > >Sherrifs ear. It didnt hurt the sheriff at all. > > > >They sent a posse out looking for him, found him, and hung him in the middle > >of town. It was a very violent hanging and one that did not have to happen. > > > > > >My Great Grandmother told me she was on the way to the store to get a loaf of > >bread and she saw what was happening and she got so scared she swallowed the > >dime and ran home! > > > >He is buried in the graveyard where my relatives are buried. > > > > > >==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > >Post that query on the list. > >You never know, someone may be able to help you. > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > Give someone some help and they may help you. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

have NO idea! We are interested in Haddix/Haddox! In a message dated 2/2/02 10:40:23 PM Central Standard Time, Bluesmsc1@aol.com writes: > Subj:[WVRANDOL-L] JOE BROWN > Date:2/2/02 10:40:23 PM Central Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:Bluesmsc1@aol.com">Bluesmsc1@aol.com</A> > Reply-to:<A HREF="mailto:WVRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com">WVRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:WVRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com">WVRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hi, > > Is this the Joe Brown who was lynched in Whitmer, WV???? My Great > Grandmother > saw the entire thing if it is. > > Let me know!!!!! Leslie > > > ==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > Check out the West Virginia Roots Network at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/WV/ > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

The obituaries for the Elkins Intermountain have been updated for the week of Jan 21, 2002 at the Tucker county GenWeb site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvtucker/eiarch.htm Janet Cooper, janet.l.cooper@worldnet.att.net Coordinator - Pendleton County USGenWeb, http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvpendle/ Coordinator - Tucker County USGenWeb , http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvtucker/

Joe Brown was a drifter. I think people were giving him a hard time. He was in the saloon and a fight broke out and he shot his gun and it grazed the Sherrifs ear. It didnt hurt the sheriff at all. They sent a posse out looking for him, found him, and hung him in the middle of town. It was a very violent hanging and one that did not have to happen. My Great Grandmother told me she was on the way to the store to get a loaf of bread and she saw what was happening and she got so scared she swallowed the dime and ran home! He is buried in the graveyard where my relatives are buried.

Hi, Is this the Joe Brown who was lynched in Whitmer, WV???? My Great Grandmother saw the entire thing if it is. Let me know!!!!! Leslie

To find, read, download Virginia Land Grant recording books pages. (The original grant was the property of the grantee) Go to: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/dlp/index.htm Enjoy, Phyllis Vannoy Spiker

John, What names are you researching? Jim Beale Researching WARWICK DUNLAP McFARLAND BEALE

Hi John, Mingo Flats is in Randolph County, south of Valley Head off U.S. Route 219 and Knapps Creek is east of Marlinton, Pocahontas County on State Route 39. Ethel John Seese wrote: > > Trying to locate where Mingo Flats and Knapps Creek are in Randolph > County. We have accounts of Henry Harper settling on Knapps Creek and > Mingo Flats is mentioned in another account. Neither are on current > maps. > > ==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mid-Atlantic Roots Network at: > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I believe that site you are looking for is: http://199.111.106.8/collections/LO.html This is the Land Office Patents and Grants at the Library of Virginia. Hope this helps. --Dick Ross -----Original Message----- From: Jean Loudin [mailto:jloudin@rtol.net] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:45 AM To: WVRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVRANDOL-L] Land records query Cara, It runs in my pea brain there is a web site from Libraru of Va. that may list those grants. Any body know its URL? Jean ==== WVRANDOL Mailing List ==== No Flaming allowed on this list! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Trying to locate where Mingo Flats and Knapps Creek are in Randolph County. We have accounts of Henry Harper settling on Knapps Creek and Mingo Flats is mentioned in another account. Neither are on current maps.

Cara, It runs in my pea brain there is a web site from Libraru of Va. that may list those grants. Any body know its URL? Jean

Cara, is this dear ole Brady again? It is possible he got a deed from the state of Va.--Her bought it. The deed in those days was called a land grant from the state of Va. and it had nothing to do with war service. If nobody else had claimed the land before, you could survey it and then pay the state and they would grant you the land. Dear Richard Ware did that in 1824. It is NOT in the grantee book. He got 100 acres. He willed it to 3 sons and later it shows up in their name, each got 33 and one third acres, when they sold it. Jean

Cara, I am not sure what you are asking. If you sell land or property, you are grantor. I sell Cara an acre of land. It will be in the grantor book under my name and in the grantee book under Cara's name. Is that what is causing the problem? In Randolph I have not ever had trouble. If this doesn't answer question, give me an example. Or are you saying, it would not be under your name in the grantee book? Who in particular are you seeking? Oh, there is another situation. If I inherit land it will not show up in either book until I sell it. Then it will only be in the grantor book when I sell it. If you get something by will it is not put in the grantee book. Could that be the problem? Sometimes you go thru 3-4 generations before the thing is sold and it gets tough to track it back. Jean

Jean, Yes, the same old John BREADY/BRADY, he sells more than he buys and it is driving me crazy!!! Now there are acres in Lewis Co. he is selling and never bought!!!! `And yes, Randolph is the same way. He sell 150 but only is shown buying 50. Hmmm, something is off or missing wouldn't you agree. About those grants you mentioned. Is there anyway to track them if they aren't in the Va. records? Cara

By the way, what name are you working on? Lyle Corder