Valerie, Thanks, That's really a nice map. Have a great evening. Donna -----Original Message----- From: Valerie F. Crook <vfcrook@trellis.net> To: WVRALEIG-L@rootsweb.com <WVRALEIG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 9:57 PM Subject: [WVRALEIG-L] Re:Fire Creek >There is a map at <http://www.nps.gov/neri/graphics/neri_hist_townmap.gif> >that shows the location of the town of Fire Creek, between Beury and >Sewell, in Fayette County. This map shows the location of historic towns >and coal camps. > >The Standard Fire Creek Coal Company was located in Beelick Knob, Fayette >County, WV. My grandparents bought the old company boarding house and >lived in it until their deaths. It was recently sold outside of the FORREN >family last year. There are some photos of the tipple, school house and >company store on my homepage at <http://www.geocities.com/~forren_family/> > >Hope this helps! > >Valerie > > > > >Valerie Forren Crook email: vfcrook@trellis.net > >USGenWeb Coordinator for: Greenbrier Co., WV ><http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgreenb/> >Randolph Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvrandol/> >ASC for the WVGenWeb Project <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/> >ListManager of the WVGREENB-L List >WV Tombstone Project Manager <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/westvirg.html> >PROUD RootsWeb Sponsor <http://www.rootsweb.com> >Member: Greenbrier Historical Society & Carolinas Genealogical Society > > >==== WVRALEIG Mailing List ==== >Please do not send attachments or personal mail to the list. > > >

There is a map at <http://www.nps.gov/neri/graphics/neri_hist_townmap.gif> that shows the location of the town of Fire Creek, between Beury and Sewell, in Fayette County. This map shows the location of historic towns and coal camps. The Standard Fire Creek Coal Company was located in Beelick Knob, Fayette County, WV. My grandparents bought the old company boarding house and lived in it until their deaths. It was recently sold outside of the FORREN family last year. There are some photos of the tipple, school house and company store on my homepage at <http://www.geocities.com/~forren_family/> Hope this helps! Valerie Valerie Forren Crook email: vfcrook@trellis.net USGenWeb Coordinator for: Greenbrier Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgreenb/> Randolph Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvrandol/> ASC for the WVGenWeb Project <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/> ListManager of the WVGREENB-L List WV Tombstone Project Manager <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/westvirg.html> PROUD RootsWeb Sponsor <http://www.rootsweb.com> Member: Greenbrier Historical Society & Carolinas Genealogical Society

Has anyone ever heard of Fire Creek? >From: <Reborn2h2o@aol.com> >Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:55:45 EDT >To: toodles@airmail.net >Subject: Fire Creek >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 > >Hello I am wondering if you have ever heard of a county that was part of >Fayette or Therman that was called Fire Creek, my ggrandparents lived there >and my ggrandfather died there in the coal mines if you have and know how I >might get information about it and any death or census information I would >really appreciate it.thank you and GOD BLESS YOU > > Toodles! Shirley toodles@airmail.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Toodlz Page: http://members.xoom.com/Toodlz/ 4-H in Collin County Texas: http://county.tamu.edu/collin/ Take It By STORM Volleyball: http://members.xoom.com/TIBS_Vball/ USGenWeb Project: http://www.usgenweb.net/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just and FYI, Valerie Crook now has a Query Board dedicated to Coal Mine queries: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/WV/CoalMiners Toodles! Shirley toodles@airmail.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Toodlz Page: http://members.xoom.com/Toodlz/ 4-H in Collin County Texas: http://county.tamu.edu/collin/ Take It By STORM Volleyball: http://members.xoom.com/TIBS_Vball/ USGenWeb Project: http://www.usgenweb.net/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi; There is a good book in the Raleigh County Library, Beckley, WV titled "They Died In Darkness" I can't remember the author. Marge Clark

Hello to All, The WVGenWeb Project is looking for look-up volunteers that have access to books or resources about West Virginia Coal Mines, Coal Miners, Fatalities and Disasters. We have a lot of folks that are looking for this type of information. If you are willing to give a few minutes of your time, please email me at <vfcrook@trellis.net> and let me know how you can help. We are also looking for coal mine web sites to add to our link page. If you know of any that have been helpful in your research, please let me know. For those that are searching for information, we plan to set up a query borad where you can post your coal miner query. More information on this later. Happy Hunting! Valerie Forren Crook email: vfcrook@trellis.net USGenWeb Coordinator for: Greenbrier Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgreenb/> Randolph Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvrandol/> ASC for the WVGenWeb Project <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/> ListManager of the WVGREENB-L List WV Tombstone Project Manager <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/westvirg.html> PROUD RootsWeb Sponsor <http://www.rootsweb.com> Member: Greenbrier Historical Society & Carolinas Genealogical Society

At 12:51 AM 8/6/98 -0400, you wrote: >What publication is this? The reseaon I ask is because the WVGenWeb gets >LOTS of questions on mine diasters, etc. I would like to get a hold of >some books dealing with this but don't know where to begin. >Valerie Forren Crook email: vfcrook@trellis.net Hi Valerie and all, I finely found this in all of my files. Hope it will help someone. Until next time, Doris "At the following address: <http://www.swcp.com/~dhickman/wvcmf/wvcmf.html> Is information about the mines and those who died. The book described there is very helpful in locating info on someone who died in the mines. Called the Index of Fatalities in WV Coal Mines 1883-1925 from Mine Inspectors Reports, compiled by Helen Stinson, 1985. Mary Roberts <mary-roberts@usa.net>"

Just saw the post about the Mining Commissioner. My father was killed in a mining accident at the Handley, WVa site. Any suggestions where I might find information on this explosion? Dianna Green Denton also a Wilson Descendant.

Valerie, My information is from Raleigh County Death Records 1896-1914 by Pauline Haga.She has 187 miners names listed from the 1914 explosion. They are on pages 53-55. Shirley

Hi Shirley, What publication is this? The reseaon I ask is because the WVGenWeb gets LOTS of questions on mine diasters, etc. I would like to get a hold of some books dealing with this but don't know where to begin. Thanks! Valerie At 08:44 PM 8/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, >I found an E.Edwards killed 28-Apr-1914 in the Eccles no.5 mine in >an explosion. Age was given as 25 single. > >Another Shirley Valerie Forren Crook email: vfcrook@trellis.net USGenWeb Coordinator for: Greenbrier Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgreenb/> Randolph Co., WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvrandol/> ASC for the WVGenWeb Project <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/> ListManager of the WVGREENB-L List WV Tombstone Project Manager <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/westvirg.html> PROUD RootsWeb Sponsor <http://www.rootsweb.com> Member: Greenbrier Historical Society & Carolinas Genealogical Society

Hi, I found an E.Edwards killed 28-Apr-1914 in the Eccles no.5 mine in an explosion. Age was given as 25 single. Another Shirley

Can anyone help out with this question? >From: "Bonnie Millican" <BMillican@worldnet.att.net> >I am trying to get a date of death on my gg grandfather, ELIAS EDWARDS, who >worked in the mines in Eccles, WV and died there in a mining disaster. He >was alive in 1900, but can find no trace of him after that. His obituary >says he died in the mines there, but I have no date. According to my >research, there were two disasters after 1900; one in 1914 and one in 1926. >Elias was born in Mar 1854. Does anyone have an address for a mining >commissioner for this area that I could write to? He was taken for burial >to Howardsville, VA. Toodles! Shirley toodles@airmail.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Toodlz Page: http://members.xoom.com/Toodlz/ 4-H in Collin County Texas: http://county.tamu.edu/collin/ Take It By STORM Volleyball: http://members.xoom.com/TIBS_Vball/ USGenWeb Project: http://www.usgenweb.net/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I stopped by the WV dept of Transportation a few years a go and picked up a set of these maps for Raleigh, Wyoming & Mercer Counties. They are great and only cost $0.25 for each sheet, but it would be best to check for the current price. Good Luck, Doris At 12:00 PM 7/30/98 EDT, JniWren@aol.com wrote: >I don't but into others research letters, but I had good luck getting the >latest County maps from WV by writing to the West Virginia Dept. of >Transportation, Division of Transportation Planning Map Sales, 1900 Kanawha >Blvd. E Building Five, Charleston, WV 25305-0430. Their maps give all the >little roads, churches, cemeteries and such. I went to McDowell County and >didn't get lost once. There was a small fee for each county map and some of >the maps were so large that they were on four sheets as McDowell is, but they >are easy to read even then. Maybe this will help some one, for I sure was >helped. I plan next to go to Raleigh county and I have been studying the map >for some time. Thanks to all, Va. Smith

Lainie and All, One source of info for Ross is the Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc list (BTRVETC-L). Check the compilations for Ross info. You can do a search, which will list the compilations that have Ross information. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/ Information on subscribing is also listed. Several of the Southwestern VA families related to these Burnett-Turner-Ross- Via-Etc families settled in Raleigh County. Nyla

Attempting to sort out the family of William Paris ROSS. Thus far, I have him listed as born ca. 1865 in Floyd Co., VA; died at age 74 in Flat Top, WV. He married Romanza Bell LILLY on 18 June 1887 in WV. Romanza Bell LILLY was the daughter of John E. LILLY and Julina A. LILLY (same surname as husband), and was born 19 June 1867 in Mercer Co., WV. >From the obituary: Mr. William Paris ROSS was a farmer; he died in his home following a prolonged ilness with Bright's disease. He was buried in the family cemetery at Flat Top, Mercer Co., WV. >From the obituary for Mr. William Paris ROSS, I've located the following names of survivors, and wish to learn the given names of these individuals: *Mrs. R. B. ROSS (this is likely Romanza Bell, but the 1997 edition of the Lilly Family History lists her death as 1892). *Mrs. H. E. CREWS (a daughter) *Mrs. Paris I. LILLY (a daughter) *Mrs. Sexton STOVALL (a daughter) *Mrs. O. T. LILLY (a daughter) *Mrs. Elvin MEADOWS (a daughter) *Mrs. Lester FINK (a daughter) *Mrs. Jack WOOD (a daughter) *Mrs. Theordore HATCHERS (a daughter) *Mrs. Vaughan SMITH (a daughter) Also survived by one son: Mr. W. P. ROSS, Jr. of Flat Top, WV, and one sister, Miss Nancy ROSS of Flat Top, WV. Predeceased by daughter: *Mrs. Karl BRAMMER, formerly of Barn, WV (died 15 years before her father). BTW: the obituary was found in an old scrapbook once belonging to my great- aunt, Bessie (Lilly) LOGAN. Bessie saved obits, but often failed to incorporate dates on each obit, so I cannot give an exact date of death for Mr. ROSS. Any assistance with naming the daughters of William Paris ROSS, Sr., and Romanza Bell LILLY would be greatly appreciated! Sincerely, Lainie Hendrix

Hi Everyone, On the death certificate of my great-grandmother, her parents were listed as George TINCHER and Mary K. GREER. Mary Jane TINCHER was my great-grandmother. Maybe someone will recognize the family below: Descendants of: George TINCHER 1 George TINCHER m. Mary K. GREER Listed on death record of Mary Jane Tincher Bowles. Mary: Listed on death record of Mary Jane Tincher Bowles. 2 Mary Jane TINCHER b. 29 May 1888 Fayette County, West Virginia d. 26 Mar 1974 Summers County, West Virginia birth date on death record- May 9, 1890. Died at age 83. She said she was born the year of the Jamestown Flood. m. Homer Alten EDLER b. 10 Mar 1876 Ohio d. 21 Apr 1919 m. Homer Allen BOWLES b. 8 Jan 1887 d. 19 Feb 1968 2 Clara TINCHER m. Elmer FOX m. Mr. ROBERTSON 3 Junior FOX 3 Catherine FOX 3 Edith FOX 3 Roy FOX 2 Ida TINCHER m. _____ LUCAS 3 Loreen LUCAS 2 Bill TINCHER 3 Townsend TINCHER 3 George TINCHER 2 Erskine TINCHER lived in Florida. 2 George TINCHER, Jr. 2 Homer TINCHER 2 Della TINCHER Thanks! Valerie Valerie Forren Crook Monroe, NC vfcrook@trellis.net +++++++++++++++++++ USGenWeb Coordinator for: Greenbrier County, WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgreenb/> Randolph County, WV <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvrandol/> ListManager of the WVGREENB-L List West Virginia Tombstone Project Manager <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/westvirg.html> PROUD Rootsweb Sponsor <http://www.rootsweb.com> Member: Greenbrier Historical Society & Carolinas Genealogical Society

This was printed in "Giles County, Virginia--History-Families" Volume 2. Page 231 Mitchell Clay married Pheobe Belcher in Franklin County, Va. in 1760. In 1774 the Royal Governor of Virginia, granted him 800 acres on Bluestone Creek, Clover Bottom, Then Fincastle County, Va. now Mercer County, WV. After an Indian attack in 1783, which killed three of his children, he moved to New River and purchased from the executors of Captain William Ingles a part of his farm, which is now owned by the Celenee Corporation. Mitchell Clay was born in 1736 and died in 1811; he is buried on his farm but later moved to Birchlawn Cemetery. He had seven sons and seven daughters. In Volume 1 of the Giles County books it states on page 222 that Phoebe Clay was born 1740 and died 1809. The Clays were the first people to make their home with in the present boundaries of Mercer County at Clover Bottom. The Clays are of English origin. Hope this helps. Phyllis

Terri and All: << Does anyone have information on the parents of Phoebe Belcher? She was b.Bedford CO Va in 1738 and married Mitchell Clay. They had a daughter named Mary Obedience Clay. Terri Mullins >vmullins@intop.net< >> I have the following unverified information. Hopefully, someone will let me know if it is incorrect. Nyla CREED DePauk Descendants of John Belcher 1 John Belcher b: 1670 in VA 2 John Belcher, Jr b: 1690 +Mary Gooding 2 William Belcher b: 1707 +Mary E Unknown 2 Richard Belcher b: 1710 in VA d: 1763 in Chesterfield Co VA +Mary Obedience Clay m: in Henrico Co VA 3 Isham Belcher I b: 1732 in Chesterfield Co VA +Elizabeth Clay b: 1734 in VA m: 02 Jun, 1759 in Chesterfield Co VA 3 Richard Belcher b: 1734 in VA 3 Phoebe Belcher b: 1738 - 1740 in Bedford Co VA d: 1809 in Pearisburg, Giles Co VA +Mitchell Clay, Sr b: 1735 - 1739 in Henrico Co VA m: 1760 in Henrico Co or Chesterfield Co or Franklin Co VA d: 20 Mar, 1811 in Pearisburg, Giles Co VA Father: William Mitchell Clay Mother: Martha Greene 3 Elizabeth Anne Belcher b: 1740 - 1742 d: 1820 in Tazewell Co VA +Richard Bailey, Sr b: 1735 - 1740 in Lancaster, England m: 1762 in Dale Parish, Chesterfield Co VA d: 1818 in Tazewell Co VA Father: James Bailey Mother: Lucy Unknown 2 Robert Belcher b: 1710 in VA

I don't but into others research letters, but I had good luck getting the latest County maps from WV by writing to the West Virginia Dept. of Transportation, Division of Transportation Planning Map Sales, 1900 Kanawha Blvd. E Building Five, Charleston, WV 25305-0430. Their maps give all the little roads, churches, cemeteries and such. I went to McDowell County and didn't get lost once. There was a small fee for each county map and some of the maps were so large that they were on four sheets as McDowell is, but they are easy to read even then. Maybe this will help some one, for I sure was helped. I plan next to go to Raleigh county and I have been studying the map for some time. Thanks to all, Va. Smith

In a message dated 7/27/98 9:24:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toodles@airmail.net writes: > Marguerite has a good question. I would think the Chamber of Commerce > might have something. I would be interested in hearing your responses as > well. > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:15:42 -0500 > >From: Marguerite Mathews <pontine@nh.ultranet.com> > >Reply-To: pontine@nh.ultranet.com > >Organization: Pontine Movement Theatre > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) > >To: toodles@airmail.net > >Subject: County Map > > > >Hello--My family has roots in Maple Fork, Raleigh Co. I had the > >pleasure of traveling around Maple Fork last week finding the graves of > >many ancestors in cemeteries located on roads & paths with no names. I > >am hoping to discover where I can purchase a detailed map of the county > >which will enable me to mark the location of those small family plots. > >Can you advise me where I can purchase such a map? > >Thank you! Marguerite Mathews / pontine@nh.ultranet.com > > > > > > Toodles! > Shirley > toodles@airmail.net Marguerite, My suggestion would be to use the U.S. Geological Survey maps. I have worked quite a bit in the Civil Engineering field and these maps have been an invaluable source. They show roads, trails, contours of the land, wooded areas, buildings, cemeteries, etc. These maps are kept current. You should check out their mapping website at - http://mapping.usgs.gov/mac/isb/pubs/booklets/genealogy/genealogy.html You can purchase the USGS maps from the USGS or a local map dealer. For each State the USGS publishes an Index to Topographic and Other Map Coverage and (State) Catalog of Topographic and other Published Maps (all scales). To obtain a free index and catalog for one or more States, contact any Earth Science Information Center, or call 1-800-USA-MAPS. You can then check USGS Map Dealers website at - http://mapping.usgs.gov/esic/usimage/dealers.html This website shows the United States. You simply click on a state and a list of all the dealers in that state is displayed. I hope this helps. Thomas W. Dillion II http://members.aol.com/Noillid2/