Hi; My g-grandfather was Ashford Hall Stover, md to Sabie Stover. Ashford's brother was Linville Stover, born abt 1850 in Fayette Co md to Margaret J Kincaid, d/o Levi Kincaid and nancy Davis. In 1860, Raleigh Co, WV census, both Linville and Ashford Stover are living with Floyd and Diana Catherine Ewing Wriston. In 1870 Raleigh Co, Wv census, they are living with their aunt Sarah Stover, d/o Obediah Stover. Ashford and his wife Sabie also lived in Fayette Co in 1880. The jury is still out on who the parents of Linville and Ashford really were.... I think I have it right, but actually it's circumstantial evidence. I am having trouble tracking down Linville and Ashford. I need to find out where they moved to after Fayette Co, (if they left FAyette County that is, and also where and when they died. If I could find the death certificate for at least one of these brothers, then hopefully I could finally prove who their parents were. Can anyone help? Gracie -- Genealogy Sites: Mine: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1322/ Norfolk Co, VA: http://members.spree.com/sip/graciestover/norfolk/index.htm Gilmer Co, WV: http://www.rootsweb.org/~wvgilmer/ West Virginia Coal: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvcoal/ ************************************************* Mailing Lists: Stovers: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1322/stovemail.html Allens: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1322/allen/mail.html Norfolk Co, VA: http://members.spree.com/sip/graciestover/norfolk/index.htm Gilmer Co, WV:http://www.rootsweb.org/~wvgilmer/ ************************************************* Gracie's World: http://www.graciesworld.com Arts and Crafts: http://www.graciesworld.com/arts.html FREE Home Office: http://www.myfreeoffice.com/gracie/ FREE Web Lotto: http://ez-lotto.com/playticket.cgi?M9760"

Gracie, For your records: Harrison Stover b. June 14, 1895, Clear Creek, WV. Parents Otis Stover and Geneva Rose (b. October 17, 1861, Lick Run, WV, d. October 12, 1912, Clear Creek, WV. Harrison had 2 sisters, Virgie who was married to a Williams, and Lockie who was married to a Wriston. Also, do you have the book that was done on the history of Workman's Creek Methodist Church? I have really enjoyed it and have found some pictures of my ancestors in it. Regina

Hi; I don't mean to run this issue in the ground here, but I am hopelessly nosy about any and all things that affect my WV families. :) I was sent the following, and it does seem to conflict with what I first sent you, so I don't know which is correct....... Gracie "Marriage Laws in the United States, 1887-1906," that I'm taking the West Virginia information from. "Authorities: Code of 1887; Laws of 1887, 1891, 1897, 1904; Code of 1899; Code of 1906. Code of 1887 is taken as containing the statutes in force at the beginning of the period under consideration. Age at which minors are capable of marrying: by Code of 1887, males 14, females 12. By Act of February 25, 1897, males 18, females 16. (Gracie, please note that the age 12 for females is "Common Law") Age below which parental consent is required: males 21, females 21. Prohibited degrees: no man shall marry his mother, grandmother, stepmother, sister, daughter, granddaughter, half-sister, aunt, uncle's wife, son's wife, wife's daughter, or her granddaughter or stepdaughter, brother's daughter, sister's daughter, or wife of his brother's or sister's son. No woman shall marry her father, grandfather, stepfather, brother, son, grandson, half-brother, uncle, daughter's husband, husband's son, or his grandson or stepson, brother's son, sister's son, or husband of her brother's or sister's daughter. If such relationship is founded on a marriage the prohibition continues, notwithstanding the dissolution of such marrige by death or divorce, unless the divorce be for a cause which made the marriage originally unlawful or void." Since this book only covers up through 1906, I do not know when the prohibition came into effect. This is the URL for the current West Virginia Code: http://www.legis.state.wv.us/ However, this online resource does not provide that dates the original statute was amended. "CHAPTER sections 48-1-2 and 48-1-2 No man shall marry his mother, grandmother, sister, daughter, granddaughter, half sister, aunt, brother's daughter, sister's daughter, first cousin or double cousin: Provided, That for the purpose of this section cousin or double cousin shall not include persons whose relationship is created solely by adoption: Provided, however, That if it be necessary to open and examine the record of any adoption proceeding in the state to ascertain that a relationship of cousin or double cousin is created solely by adoption, then an application may be made to the circuit court wherein such proceeding was had, by the clerk of the county commission seeking to issue the marriage license, or either party applying for such license, to open such record and cause examination thereof. No woman shall marry her father, grandfather, brother, son, grandson, half brother, uncle, brother's son, sister's son, first cousin or double cousin: Provided, That for the purpose of this section cousin or double cousin shall not include persons whose relationship is created solely by adoption: Provided, however, That if it be necessary to open and examine the record of any adoption proceeding in the state to ascertain that a relationship of cousin or double cousin is created solely by adoption, then an application may be made to the circuit court wherein such proceeding was had, by the clerk of the county commission seeking to issue the marriage license, or either party applying for such license, to open such record and cause examination thereof."

Hi; I happen to think that most of Raleigh Co, if not all are pretty much related anyway, but also think it's true of other places. They just don't admit it. :) Since at the beginning when people settled an area there weren't that many seperate families, I don't think it could be avoided. Some of the double second marraiges I have, I don't think they even knew they really were related to each other, because they didn't keep family trees and try to keep up with everyone like we genealogists do... :) I am also looking for Masseys... My step-dad, born abt 1920, is George Massey. His father was Abe Massey and his mother was Della Sparks. Abe's father was Link or Lincoln Massey,(my half-brother calls him the 'missing link' in his family tree) perhaps born in Boone Co, but they lived in Raleigh Co. I don't know who Link Massey was married to, but he left his wife and children and either married or lived with Sarah Blankenship. Sarah Blankenship's sister was Emily Blankenship (md to Lewis Nicholas, then to Abner Lee) Emily was my g-grandmother. My Blankenship cousins in Raleigh Co, call him their Uncle Link. Abe and Link Massey seem to have hidden well from the census takers. I find Lincoln Massey and Sarah Blankenship in the 1920 Raleigh Co Census, but not before... And I never did find Abe and Della Massey in the census, but I know they were living there. Do you have anything on these Massey families? I would like to be able to help my half-brothers with their Massey line. My step-dad doesn't think his bunch is related to the other Raleigh Co Masseys, but I think they probably are if I can just find them..... BTW, I grew up thinking that my brother and I weren't related to the 'other' Stovers in Raleigh Co, and my aunts and uncles thought the same thing and they were sure wrong about that one... ;) Thanks, Gracie Carol & Greg wrote: > > I remember hearing in the news in the last 18 months that research was > reported on in this area (<Grin> West Virginia was cited as their > "virtual lab" for the research). They found that intermarriage had no or at > worst, limited effect . A double dose of healthy genes were still healthy, > but if "bad" genes were in that line, intermarriage made it worse. I, for > one find so many examples of double second cousins marrying, that I can't > see that being much different from first cousins, genetically speaking. > What I refer to is the former Miss Smith and her husband, Mr. Jones' > grandson, marrying the granddaughter resulting from the marriage of a > sibling of Miss Smith's marriage to a sibling of Mr. Jones. The joke Judy > E. and I make is that our families believed in recycling long before it > became popular, (especially our DICKENS, MASSEY, WEBB, WILLS and those > LAFFERTY's that I may NEVER get straight! <Great Big Grin>) No offense to > anyone who feels a sensitivity in this area, while I don't. > > :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< > Find out what you really are.........and then do it on purpose. > Carol J. J. in Beavercreek, Ohio gnjcjjz@cfanet.com

Nyla or anyone on the list I have a James Sowder, that was born in Montgomery Co, VA and died 15 Sep 1855 in Raleigh County, VA. Could someone please look up the Death Record information for me. I would greatly appreciate it. This is pulling some loose ends together for me. Thank you Sandy Cocoa, Florida [Moten, Sandra K] Everybody have a good evening. >

I remember hearing in the news in the last 18 months that research was reported on in this area (<Grin> West Virginia was cited as their "virtual lab" for the research). They found that intermarriage had no or at worst, limited effect . A double dose of healthy genes were still healthy, but if "bad" genes were in that line, intermarriage made it worse. I, for one find so many examples of double second cousins marrying, that I can't see that being much different from first cousins, genetically speaking. What I refer to is the former Miss Smith and her husband, Mr. Jones' grandson, marrying the granddaughter resulting from the marriage of a sibling of Miss Smith's marriage to a sibling of Mr. Jones. The joke Judy E. and I make is that our families believed in recycling long before it became popular, (especially our DICKENS, MASSEY, WEBB, WILLS and those LAFFERTY's that I may NEVER get straight! <Great Big Grin>) No offense to anyone who feels a sensitivity in this area, while I don't. :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< :< Find out what you really are.........and then do it on purpose. Carol J. J. in Beavercreek, Ohio gnjcjjz@cfanet.com

Sandy, Hi! This is what I found about James Sowder: James Sowders died 15 Sept. 1855 at age 46 of "piles". A farmer, he was the son of Michael and Elizabeth Sowders and was born in Montgomery Co. VA. His wife Cyntha Sowders reported death. Source: Early Deaths of Raleigh Co. Vol. 1 1853-1875 by Pauline Haga [published by author]. Page number 6. Hope that helps! Melissa Moten Sandra K wrote: > Nyla or anyone on the list > > I have a James Sowder, that was born in Montgomery Co, VA and died 15 Sep > 1855 in Raleigh County, VA. Could someone please look up the Death Record > information for me. I would greatly appreciate it. This is pulling some > loose ends together for me. > > Thank you > Sandy > Cocoa, Florida > > [Moten, Sandra K] Everybody have a good evening. > > -- Melissa Bailey Duggins <e-mail:mduggins@lexcominc.net> Raleigh County, WV GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvraleig/ --Please consider submitting one piece of data to the Raleigh County Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/wv/raleigh.htm--

Nyla. Thank you. It is the right one. But the step-son got the mothers name wrong, unless there is another wife in there between Juliann or Cynthia. Unless Juliann when by Sarah. Oh that will be another search. Now let see - I need to substract 26 Sep 1857 from 20 year 5 month and 16 day so I can figure out birth date. At least that will give me a date to go to in Montgomery County, Virginia Let see roughly that has him born in 36/37, which has Lucy born in 34/35, Michael born in 36/37 and Elizabeth born in 38. That is neat, now I getting somewhere with the family. Sandy Cocoa, Florida > -----Original Message----- > From: NCreed1@aol.com [SMTP:NCreed1@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 10:55 AM > To: WVRALEIG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Sowder > > << > I have a Michael Sowder that was born abt. 1837 in Virginia and died 1857 > in > Raleigh County, Virginia. Could someone please look up in the Death > Records > and see if you find a Death Certificate for him and let me know. > > His parents were James Sowder and Juliann Smith from Virginia. > > Sandy > Cocoa, Florida >> > > Info from Pauline Haga's Early Death of Raleigh County: > Michael Sowders, 20 years, 5 months, 16 days, died 26 Sep 26 1857 of > unknown > illness. Was son of James and Sarah Sowders. He was born in Montgomery > Co., > Va. Was labourer. Death reported by friend, James Lore. > > Hope this helps. > Nyla

I have a Michael Sowder that was born abt. 1837 in Virginia and died 1857 in Raleigh County, Virginia. Could someone please look up in the Death Records and see if you find a Death Certificate for him and let me know. His parents were James Sowder and Juliann Smith from Virginia. Sandy Cocoa, Florida >

Carol: I'm interested in your Dickens. I descend through Thomas and Rhoda (Pennington) Dickens; then John and Nellie (Hendrix) Dickens; and John and Mary Jane (Turner) Dickens. Would enjoy hearing about your Dickens line. Nyla http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3412

Yes, there was a lot of recycling,I have found.I am interested in your Webbs..We could swap information. Steve WEBB SWebb59121@aol.com

<< I have a Michael Sowder that was born abt. 1837 in Virginia and died 1857 in Raleigh County, Virginia. Could someone please look up in the Death Records and see if you find a Death Certificate for him and let me know. His parents were James Sowder and Juliann Smith from Virginia. Sandy Cocoa, Florida >> Info from Pauline Haga's Early Death of Raleigh County: Michael Sowders, 20 years, 5 months, 16 days, died 26 Sep 26 1857 of unknown illness. Was son of James and Sarah Sowders. He was born in Montgomery Co., Va. Was labourer. Death reported by friend, James Lore. Hope this helps. Nyla

Hi Gracie, I think when the law went into effect depends on the state in which they married. In Texas, first cousins can still be married!

In a message dated 3/24/99 7:12:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, ggracie@feist.com writes: > Does anyone know about the law passed prohibiting first cousins from > marrying? Some states allow first cousins to marry at any age, some after age 50 Sandy in Fla

In a message dated 3/24/99 7:17:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, sandra.k.moten@lmco.com writes: > My mother has a rib attached to her spine. Another > sister has a extra rib. Another is missing a rib. As you look at their > medical problems, you can see where this may have come into play. Well, I have a couple of cousin marriages, and my parents were distant cousins, I am pretty normal so maybe it does not always end up bad, my cousin married his cousin and they had a couple of normal children, Lillys!! Even my step dad is my cousin, and I know I will find out that my sis in law is my cousin too, Anyone have Angels in the area? Sandy in Fla

When first cousins marry it increases the chance of disease, mental illness among other things. I have seen it work the other way too. I know of two first cousins that did marry and both their children are exceptionally bright. They married in England before coming to America so they are legally married. I can't pinpoint when our laws changed but I do see why they came about. Dorna My 2 cents -----Original Message----- From: Moten, Sandra K <sandra.k.moten@lmco.com> To: WVRALEIG-L@rootsweb.com <WVRALEIG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 7:18 AM Subject: RE: First Cousin Law >Gracie > >Sorry, I don't know, but my grandparents on my mother side were second >cousins, and with the way the Lillys and the Gores intermarried, it has made >things interesting. My mother has a rib attached to her spine. Another >sister has a extra rib. Another is missing a rib. As you look at their >medical problems, you can see where this may have come into play. > >Sandy >Cocoa, Florida > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gracie Stover [SMTP:ggracie@feist.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 6:52 AM >> To: WVRALEIG-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: First Cousin Law >> >> Hi; >> Does anyone know about the law passed prohibiting first cousins from >> marrying? >> I have included the article below, but taken out the names because it's >> not my family. >> My questions are, >> 1. Does anyone know for sure when the law came in effect about first >> cousins marrying? >> 2. Were the marraiges after this law considered legal? >> 3. If first cousins did get married after at least 1870, were they >> penalized for this, unless they had the same thing done that is in the >> article below? >> >> My g-grandparents were first cousins and were married in 1876. This >> 'law' may explain why they didn't put their parents names on the >> marraige application. :) >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Source: Acts of the Legislature of West Virginia at its Commencing >> January >> 18, 1870 >> Wheeling: John Frew, Public Printer, 1870. >> >> CHAPTER 114.-An ACT to legalize the marriage of ________________ >> with _________________, of Gilmer county. >> >> Passed March 3,1870. >> >> WHEREAS, ________________ >> with _________________ of the >> county of Gilmer, being first cousins, were, on the nineteenth >> day of September, eighteen hundred and sixty-nine, duly >> married, in violation of the tenth section of chapter sixty- >> three of the code of West Virginia; and, whereas, said mar- >> riage would not have been in violation of law previous to the >> passage of said code; and, whereas, at the time of said mar- >> riage said code had not been published, and the provision >> prohibiting first cousins from intermarrying was unknown to >> said parties; therefore, >> >> Be it enacted by the Legislature of West Virginia: >> >> The marriage of the aforesaid ________________ >> with _________________ is hereby legalized and made valid, and >> said parties are exempt from any penalties incurred by them >> by their marriage aforesaid. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >> ----------- >> >> Gracie, >> IBSSG >> >

Gracie Sorry, I don't know, but my grandparents on my mother side were second cousins, and with the way the Lillys and the Gores intermarried, it has made things interesting. My mother has a rib attached to her spine. Another sister has a extra rib. Another is missing a rib. As you look at their medical problems, you can see where this may have come into play. Sandy Cocoa, Florida > -----Original Message----- > From: Gracie Stover [SMTP:ggracie@feist.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 6:52 AM > To: WVRALEIG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: First Cousin Law > > Hi; > Does anyone know about the law passed prohibiting first cousins from > marrying? > I have included the article below, but taken out the names because it's > not my family. > My questions are, > 1. Does anyone know for sure when the law came in effect about first > cousins marrying? > 2. Were the marraiges after this law considered legal? > 3. If first cousins did get married after at least 1870, were they > penalized for this, unless they had the same thing done that is in the > article below? > > My g-grandparents were first cousins and were married in 1876. This > 'law' may explain why they didn't put their parents names on the > marraige application. :) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Source: Acts of the Legislature of West Virginia at its Commencing > January > 18, 1870 > Wheeling: John Frew, Public Printer, 1870. > > CHAPTER 114.-An ACT to legalize the marriage of ________________ > with _________________, of Gilmer county. > > Passed March 3,1870. > > WHEREAS, ________________ > with _________________ of the > county of Gilmer, being first cousins, were, on the nineteenth > day of September, eighteen hundred and sixty-nine, duly > married, in violation of the tenth section of chapter sixty- > three of the code of West Virginia; and, whereas, said mar- > riage would not have been in violation of law previous to the > passage of said code; and, whereas, at the time of said mar- > riage said code had not been published, and the provision > prohibiting first cousins from intermarrying was unknown to > said parties; therefore, > > Be it enacted by the Legislature of West Virginia: > > The marriage of the aforesaid ________________ > with _________________ is hereby legalized and made valid, and > said parties are exempt from any penalties incurred by them > by their marriage aforesaid. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > Gracie, > IBSSG >

Hi; Does anyone know about the law passed prohibiting first cousins from marrying? I have included the article below, but taken out the names because it's not my family. My questions are, 1. Does anyone know for sure when the law came in effect about first cousins marrying? 2. Were the marraiges after this law considered legal? 3. If first cousins did get married after at least 1870, were they penalized for this, unless they had the same thing done that is in the article below? My g-grandparents were first cousins and were married in 1876. This 'law' may explain why they didn't put their parents names on the marraige application. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Source: Acts of the Legislature of West Virginia at its Commencing January 18, 1870 Wheeling: John Frew, Public Printer, 1870. CHAPTER 114.—An ACT to legalize the marriage of ________________ with _________________, of Gilmer county. Passed March 3,1870. WHEREAS, ________________ with _________________ of the county of Gilmer, being first cousins, were, on the nineteenth day of September, eighteen hundred and sixty-nine, duly married, in violation of the tenth section of chapter sixty- three of the code of West Virginia; and, whereas, said mar- riage would not have been in violation of law previous to the passage of said code; and, whereas, at the time of said mar- riage said code had not been published, and the provision prohibiting first cousins from intermarrying was unknown to said parties; therefore, Be it enacted by the Legislature of West Virginia: The marriage of the aforesaid ________________ with _________________ is hereby legalized and made valid, and said parties are exempt from any penalties incurred by them by their marriage aforesaid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gracie, IBSSG

Hello folks! Reunions have been on my mind lately - our Bailey reunion is coming up in June - and I thought that it would be a good time to go ahead and ask that if any of you have announcements for either class reunions or family reunions, could you please let me know so that I can get that information up on the Raleigh GenWeb page? I remember some mention being made about the Lilly reunion - has a date been set for that yet? Just let me know the who, when, where and who can be contacted for further information and I'll get it posted. Thanks! Melissa -- Melissa Bailey Duggins <e-mail:mduggins@lexcominc.net> Raleigh County, WV GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvraleig/ --Please consider submitting one piece of data to the Raleigh County Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/wv/raleigh.htm--

Would like information on Howard "Peyton" Stewart, b. abt. 1847 in Roanoke Co. Va, d. about 1930-1 Raleigh Co. or Fayette Co. WV. Peyton married Martha Ann Smith on November 13, 1867 in Montgomery Co. VA. One of their children is my grandfather, Sparrel Hale Stewart was born in Pluto, Raleigh Co. WV on May 2, 1886. He died Dec 20, 1974, Beckley, WV. Sparrel was married to Annie Mae Treadway on November 18, 1907 in Fayette Co. Peyton & Martha's other children include: Joseph Stewart, d. July 29, 1926 m. Delia Susan Treadway Robert Lee Stewart, b. 1876 Montgomery Co VA. m. Annie Rachel Bennett Adline or Addie Stewart, m. ?? Dickerson Okey Jane Stewart, b. Jan. 26, 1880 Montgomery VA., d. April 1974 Dallas, TX m. Emery Richardson Unknown Stewart, had a son named Willie Are any of the above name familar to anyone? If so please connect me. Thanks. phyllis pcrihfield@msmisp.com