roy, thanks again, You are a wealth of info. I have Deborah listed as Deborah Elizabeth Shay, d/o thomas and Phoebe and sidwell. d/o of Hugh and mary Hastings sidwell. Charles Wesley and Sarah Shannon Wiles are my g grandparents. their son Clyde Daniel was my grandfather. I have been able to go back to charles dad which was Dan and his mother Sarah Virginia Shaver, d/o of Henry and malinda Funk shaver, I have NOT found anything after Dan. the furthest I have been able to go on the sarah shannon side is William, so I thank you for the additional info. I have only been able to get to thomas shay, father of deborah Elizabeth shay. Roy, if I can ever help you, please let me know, You have been a great help to me. God Bless Bev