This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolynShupe45 Surnames: Roberts Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2747.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes on Amos & many, many Thanks! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barbara55678 Surnames: Roberts Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2747.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Carolyn,I can send you copies if you want .when i tried to write the place i got them from,Ancestry canceled my reply.I don't know if it was because of where i got them from or what.Maybe it was something else i did but just give me a little time and i'll send them.I'm taking it that you want the ones on Amos,right? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MelindaBlack45 Surnames: HILL and BURKE Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/1044.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: To whoever might read this: My Grandmother Burke aka: Edith Lucille Hill-Burke died on 5 December 2008. She was my mother's mother. I attended her funeral on 8 December 2008 with 2 of my grandchildren. Sincerely, Melinda Clark Black Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: strflwr1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2747.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Those pages are online at Footnote.com. I didn't read or copy them all as I really don't think I'm related to Amos Roberts, but for those of you who are, this is a good source. You can get a free trial of Footnote, just be sure to quit one day before the end of the week so they don't charge you. Also, they have monthly memberships which are quite reasonable. -------Jo Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolynShupe45 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2747.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jo & BBarbara, I really would love to have Rev. scans or the court quotes which relate to Amos. Thanks! Carolyn shupe@citcom.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wendybellbever Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/979.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: George W Howdershelt son of John W Howdershelt and Mary Ann Loughry. Married Sarah Jane Montgomery.Clara May Married Roy B Stevenson. Son of Matilda Bell and David H Stevenson. Matilda Bell Daughter of Landon Bell and Elizabeth Knotts. Other Children of Landon and Elizabeth are. John William Bell Who married Laura M Shaver (My GG granparents) Sarah Catherine Bell who married Franklin P Thomas, Isaac Bell, Mary or May Bell, Priscilla Bell who died single. Can't find anything out about Landon. I found a death certificate on Elizabeth Knotts Bell. I think it is the right one but her death certificate says she died oct 18, 1883 in Preston Co. of a tumor. Can't find Landon's. Matilda and David Stevens have these children that I can find. Henry (Harry) Marshall.Who married Mary C Garden. Anne Virginia (T. A.)Stevenson Married James Henry Shahan. Charles E Stevenson. Roy B you know. Abbie Arizona stevenson who married Floyd Thornton Weaver. Myrtle A. This is what I've found so far.! I also have dates but I'm taking up alot of space. Also on Matilda's birth certificate it says that Landon was a shoemaker.Landon was in the civil war also. Company F of the 6th WV Infantry. He went in as a wagoner and came out a private. Also I'm still reading but there was a dispute over a pension he tried to collect. And having to do with a train wreck at Glovers Gap. I have more info on the Howdershelts too. One of my husbands grandmothers is also a Howdershelt. I found something interesting too. There is a marriage certificate that says a widow Matilda Stevenson married a William Plum on July 21, 1925. He was 60 and she was 58. The dates seem to come close enough to her age. I'm trying to find out if it is her for sure. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I am researching Sarah Jane Montgomery Howdershelt. She is the daughter of Samuel L. Montgomery and Eliza (Sarah) Wolfe. I have a photo of Sarah Jane holding a child and am anxious to connect with any descendent of hers and share some old photos!! I don't know where Sarah and George Howdershelt moved to, so I am interested in any Howdershelt family info. Last I had them in Preston and Grant County West Virginia. Chris Pulver -----Original Message----- From: wvpresto-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvpresto-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:33 PM To: WVPRESTO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVPRESTO] Searching For Family Tree This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wendybellbever Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counti es.preston/979.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: George W Howdershelt son of John W Howdershelt and Mary Ann Loughry. Married Sarah Jane Montgomery.Clara May Married Roy B Stevenson. Son of Matilda Bell and David H Stevenson. Matilda Bell Daughter of Landon Bell and Elizabeth Knotts. Other Children of Landon and Elizabeth are. John William Bell Who married Laura M Shaver (My GG granparents) Sarah Catherine Bell who married Franklin P Thomas, Isaac Bell, Mary or May Bell, Priscilla Bell who died single. Can't find anything out about Landon. I found a death certificate on Elizabeth Knotts Bell. I think it is the right one but her death certificate says she died oct 18, 1883 in Preston Co. of a tumor. Can't find Landon's. Matilda and David Stevens have these children that I can find. Henry (Harry) Marshall.Who married Mary C Garden. Anne Virginia (T. A.)Stevenson Married James Henry Shahan. Charles E Stevenson. Roy B you know. Abbie Arizona stevenson who married Floyd Thornton Weaver. Myrtle A. This is what I've found so far.! I also have dates but I'm taking up alot of space. Also on Matilda's birth certificate it says that Landon was a shoemaker.Landon was in the civil war also. Company F of the 6th WV Infantry. He went in as a wagoner and came out a private. Also I'm still reading but there was a dispute over a pension he tried to collect. And having to do with a train wreck at Glovers Gap. I have more info on the Howdershelts too. One of my husbands grandmothers is also a Howdershelt. I found something interesting too. There is a marriage certificate that says a widow Matilda Stevenson married a William Plum on July 21, 1925. He was 60 and she was 58. The dates seem to come close enough to her age. I'm trying to find out if it is her for sure. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVPRESTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barbara55678 Surnames: Roberts Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2747.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Carolyn & Jo-This report was written in 1835 so he would be 85 then.And that was the year he died ,so they must have been summing up his alloment.I got the copies of original handwritten applications for REVOLUTIONARY WAR pension Records that Amos Robbarts/Roberts signed,and he states that he was 71.He gives names of some family members an ages,as well as citing his experiences particicpating in battles and where and his debts to others,Barbara Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Roy, Thank you, thank you thank you... I can't wait to copy and paste this to that man. :) So now I don't have to change 1/2 of my family tree. :) Barb Goss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Lockhart" <royboy@wirefire.com> To: <wvpresto@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [WVPRESTO] Forquer > Barb, > > Excerpt from page 1233 of: > > A History of Northeast Missouri, The Lewis Publishing Company, 1913 > Volume II, Pages 1233-1234 (Scotland County) > > Mr. Isaac A. Forquer is decidedly a prominent and popular citizen in > Sandhill township, Scotland county, Mo., where he has resided continuously > since 1859. A native of Preston county, Virginia, Isaac A. Forquer was > born > in the year 1832 and he was the eighth in order of birth in a family of > twelve children, whose names are here entered in respective order of > birth,--Samuel, Margaret, Jeremiah, Sarah A., Eugene S., Edwin, Salathia, > Isaac, William, Elizabeth, Naomi and John. John Forquer, father of the > subject of this review, was born and reared in Pennsylvania, as was also > his > wife, whose maiden name was Elizabeth Smith. Mr. and Mrs. John Forquer > settled in Virginia and there they passed the residue of their lives. Of > the above twelve children but four are living in 1912, namely--John, > Elizabeth, William, and Isaac A. > > Surely Isaac A. Forquer knew his mother's maiden name. > > Roy Lockhart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb Goss" <barbee44@roadrunner.com> > To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>; <wvpresto@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [WVPRESTO] Forquer > > >> Looking for information on John Forquer whose wife was named Elizabeth. > In >> the book History of Preston Co. it states he was married to Elizabeth > Smith. >> Another source in Somerset said the same thing. However, I received an >> email from a Forquer decendant who says it's wrong and her name was >> Elizabeth Martin. I based a lot of my family tree on the Forquer family >> since Elizabeth Smith is my 4th ggrandmother's sister. Does anyone have >> anything to prove either? Also, does anyone know when Elizabeth Forquer >> died and where she might be buried? >> >> Barb Goss >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVPRESTO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barb, Excerpt from page 1233 of: A History of Northeast Missouri, The Lewis Publishing Company, 1913 Volume II, Pages 1233-1234 (Scotland County) Mr. Isaac A. Forquer is decidedly a prominent and popular citizen in Sandhill township, Scotland county, Mo., where he has resided continuously since 1859. A native of Preston county, Virginia, Isaac A. Forquer was born in the year 1832 and he was the eighth in order of birth in a family of twelve children, whose names are here entered in respective order of birth,--Samuel, Margaret, Jeremiah, Sarah A., Eugene S., Edwin, Salathia, Isaac, William, Elizabeth, Naomi and John. John Forquer, father of the subject of this review, was born and reared in Pennsylvania, as was also his wife, whose maiden name was Elizabeth Smith. Mr. and Mrs. John Forquer settled in Virginia and there they passed the residue of their lives. Of the above twelve children but four are living in 1912, namely--John, Elizabeth, William, and Isaac A. Surely Isaac A. Forquer knew his mother's maiden name. Roy Lockhart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb Goss" <barbee44@roadrunner.com> To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>; <wvpresto@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [WVPRESTO] Forquer > Looking for information on John Forquer whose wife was named Elizabeth. In > the book History of Preston Co. it states he was married to Elizabeth Smith. > Another source in Somerset said the same thing. However, I received an > email from a Forquer decendant who says it's wrong and her name was > Elizabeth Martin. I based a lot of my family tree on the Forquer family > since Elizabeth Smith is my 4th ggrandmother's sister. Does anyone have > anything to prove either? Also, does anyone know when Elizabeth Forquer > died and where she might be buried? > > Barb Goss >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: strflwr1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2747.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks. I couldn't make the link work but will go to the GenWeb site and/or Footnote.com for the images. -------Jo Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolynShupe45 Surnames: Roberts Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2747.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/fayette/military/1835pens01.txt Penna Pensioners 1835, from United States Senate. Report from the Secretary of War, in Obedience to Resolutions of the Senate of the 5th and 30th of June, 1834, and the 3d of March, 1835, In Relation to the Pension Establishment of the United States. [Pennsylvania Section], Washington, D.C.: Duff Green, 1835. FAYETTE COUNTY (Pa.) Name: Amos Roberts Rank: Private Annual Allowance: 96 00 Sums Received: 1,337 29 Description of service: Pennsylvania continental line When placed on the pension roll: July 2, 1821 Commencement of pension: March 31, 1820 Age: 85 Laws under which inscribed, increased or reduced OR Remarks.: - === Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: strflwr1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2747.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks a lot. I was assuming he was born about then as he seems to have palled around with some of Joanna and Thomas Chipps' sons. They frequently got drunk and rowdy and went bail for one another, then didn't pay each other back, got ticked off and sued for recovery of the debt, etc. The court records are full of them!!! I just couldn't see the Chipps' boys running around with someone their grandfather's age! So, thanks. Joanna could still be a Roberts, of course, but I haven't come up with a marriage record or any other evidence. -------Jo Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Looking for information on John Forquer whose wife was named Elizabeth. In the book History of Preston Co. it states he was married to Elizabeth Smith. Another source in Somerset said the same thing. However, I received an email from a Forquer decendant who says it's wrong and her name was Elizabeth Martin. I based a lot of my family tree on the Forquer family since Elizabeth Smith is my 4th ggrandmother's sister. Does anyone have anything to prove either? Also, does anyone know when Elizabeth Forquer died and where she might be buried? a.. Name: John FORQUER a.. Sex: M a.. Birth: 3 JUN 1794 in Pennsylvania a.. Death: 1845 a.. Note: Looking for the parents of John FORKER, b. 3 Jun 1794 in PA. Married Elizabeth SMITH on 5 May 1816. Parents of John may be Samuel FORKER and Ann McNAIR. John served in the War of 1812. John and Elizabeth moved to Preston Co. Virgina, later West Virginia, around 1830. They had 12 children. Marriage 1 Elizabeth SMITH b: ABT 1798 Children 1.. Samuel FORQUER b: 12 MAR 1811 2.. Margaret FORQUER b: 4 SEP 1818 in Pennsylvania 3.. Jeremiah FORQUER b: 13 AUG 1820 4.. Sarah A. FORQUER b: ABT 1822 5.. Salathiel FORQUER b: ABT 1822 6.. Eugenus FORQUER b: 5 MAY 1826 in Pennsylvania 7.. Isaac Armstrong FORQUER b: 1832 in Preston Co., Virginia (now WV) 8.. Elizabeth FORQUER b: JUL 1834 in Pennsylvania 9.. William H. FORQUER b: 26 AUG 1833 10.. Naomi FORQUER b: 11 OCT 1827 11.. John S. FORQUER b: 1841 12.. Mary A. FORQUER Barb Goss

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barbara55678 Surnames: Roberts Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2747.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: strflwr1-from Amos Roberts Rev.War Pension Records he was 71 in 1820 so he had to have been born around 1749 so i don't think he could have been Joanna's father,maybe brother or cousin.Barbara55678 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MaryinSD Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2767.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is a Preston County site West Virginia, not surname Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MaryinSD Surnames: MASON, MCVEIGH Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/979.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Are you sure this Elizabeth MASON was the daughter of William and Jane Thayer Mason? They are my gg grandparents -- I have Elizabeth married to Patrick McVeigh. I see there is a suggestion later that she might have married twice. Very interested in this MASON family, thanks, MaryinSD WILLIAM F.3 MASON (JOHN2, WILLIAM1) was born 09 Nov 1808 in Preston Co VA1,2, and died 13 Aug 1882 in Preston Co. WV,. He married JANE THAYER 03 Jan 1832 in Allegany, MD3, daughter of STEPHEN THAYER and MARTHA PACKARD. She was born 30 Dec 1808 in Williamsburgh, Mass., and died 26 Jan 1872 in Preston Co. WV. Children of WILLIAM MASON and JANE THAYER are: i. THOMAS B.4 MASON, b. 07 Dec 1834, VA; d. 03 Nov 1908, Preston Co VA4; m. CATHARINE HARDIN5; b. 22 Dec 1848; d. 14 Apr 1941. Marriage Notes for THOMAS MASON and CATHARINE HARDIN: Mason, Thomas B. Gender: Male Spouse: Catharine Marden Marriage Date: Sep 20, 1869 County: Barbour More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0808381-0808383 ii. SOPHRONA MASON, b. 05 May 1836, Corinth, Garett, MD; d. 03 Nov 1927, 22 Nov 1927; m. WM SMITH DENISON; b. 25 Jul 1836, Monongalia, VA; d. 08 Feb 1903, Preston Co, WV. iii. STEPHEN CLAYTON MASON6, b. 1839; m. HARRIET HAMILTON, Abt. 1869; b. Abt. 1841. iv. MARIA MASON, b. 17 May 1842, Oakland, Garrett, MD7; d. 10 Dec 1899, Preston Co. WV; m. WILLIAM JOHNSON CLARKSON, 1864, Preston Co. WV; b. 01 Jan 1837, Essex Co. VA,; d. 05 May 1920, enroute home (Harding Co,SD) from Preston Co, WV. v. SALLY MASON, b. 1843; m. WILLIAM MARQUESS, 14 Apr 1864, Preston County, WV; b. 04 Sep 1839. Marriage Notes for SALLY MASON and WILLIAM MARQUESS: vi. MARTHA MASON, b. 22 Aug 1847, VA; m. TAZEWELL BUTCHER, 26 Mar 1878; b. 14 Jan 1850. vii. ELIZABETH MASON, m. PATRICK MCVEIGH. Endnotes 1. 1850 Preston Co Census. 2. Gravestone at Mt. Zion Cemetery, Preston Co. WV read 1997 by MB. 3. Allegany, MD IGI Marriage Record,. 4. Gravestone at Mt. Zion Cemetery, Preston Co. WV read 1997 by MB. 5. Information from Victor CLARKSON, by Dan Clarkson, grandson. 6. Mason, Don letter, Grafton, WV Nov. 1998. 7. 1850 Preston Co Census. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KarenKlausman Surnames: wolfe, sahan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2768/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm in search of some verification of the children of Ebenezer and Alberta. My husband's grandmother was Audrey Genevieve. Looking through censuses I've come across the following names: Mittie A. James Harrison Flossie L. Ada O. Ira M. Roy I. Leota M. Loran Anyone know if this is comprehensive and/or correct?? Thanks! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ahorlix Surnames: Peston, Day Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2767/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for info on a Mrs Preston living at 68 Pemberton Square, Boston Mass. in 1914. According to Ellis Island records my great aunt Flora Day arrived in USA from Ireland in October 1914 and was travelling to be with her sister, Mrs Preston. Believe her first names were Ellinor Elizabeth, maiden name Day, and she was born in Musselburgh Midlothian Scotland. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: strflwr1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.westvirginia.counties.preston/2747.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I changed the subject line to reflect what we are talking about. Thanks for your reply. I see you are as confused as I am about some of the claims people make. Where do they get this stuff? I think I know where people got the idea that Joanna Chipps was a Roberts. Her eldest child, was named Hannah Roberts Chipps according to a lot of people. I have never seen any documentation for Hannah's middle name being Roberts, but if a person accepts this middle name as being true, then it suggests that possibly she was a Roberts. All of this is total speculation but as I am sure you've seen, that is enough to turn something into a fact for many people. Her son Thomas also had R for a middle initial and her youngest son was named Amos. By the time Amos was born (1783), the Chipps family was living near Amos Roberts in Mon Co and might have named a son after him or just liked the name. Later family names are not necessarily of ancestors. A good example is Thomas Pindal Chipps, the grandson of Joanna. One of his Chipps aunts was married to a Pindall and both of his mother's sisters had married Pindells, so the families were intertwined. However, Thomas Pindal Chipps had no Pindal ancestors. There is also a Thomas Chipps Pindell who had no Chipps ancestors. (Thomas P Chipps seems to have spelled the name Pindal but the family now spells it Pindell. Pindall is another spelling.) Another point is that Joanna and Thomas Chipps first son was named William. I haven't found any Williams in any of the speculation about either Thomas or Joanna. About DNA... There are two sorts used in genealogy. The Y-chromosome DNA is only through the male line, father to son to grandson, etc. The mitochondrial DNA is used far less often and it is through the female line. A man could be tested for mitochondrial DNA but it would be in reference to his mother, grandmother, g-grandmother, etc. His children would have the mitochondrial DNA of their mother. Women don't have the Y-chromosome, we have two X-chromosomes, so we can't be tested for the Y-chromosome DNA. This doesn't mean we can't use the data from Y-chromosome testing. I solved a problem for one of my lines this way. I am descended from this early ancestor's daughter so the DNA testing doesn't apply to me directly. There was a problem in determining if this ancestor was identical to one with the same name in a different county. The timing worked out that he could have moved and some other details caused me to think he was the same man but I couldn't find any documentary proof. The DNA testing on descendants from three different men indicated that these three were brothers. One of these was documented in a deed of gift from his father in one county. The other two were documented in a deed/indenture settling the estate of the father in the other county. My female ancestor was also mentioned in this deed/indenture. So, all three of the men were her brothers and the father moved from the one county to the other. So far, I've not found where he was before this but the ! DNA did verify that he was the same man in the two different counties. When we're dealing with 1760-1795, every little bit helps. There are so few good records. Anyway, if you can tie your lineage, deduced from regular genealogical research, into one where the descendants have been tested for DNA, you might be able to learn something. One caveat: They don't have the DNA of the ancestor. All they are really doing is determining that these guys are descended from the same ancestor and those guys are descended from someone else. It takes old fashioned genealogical research to determine who the ancestor is. I guess we both know how many mistakes or even downright lies can be found in the family trees people have put together. About there being more Roberts than in the census: It is true that in every census, some don't get counted. It is also true that the reason for the census is to determine how many Congressmen a state or area gets. The local political people have always been keenly aware of this. Back in the early days of this country, some areas like Mon Co were growing in population quite rapidly. So, the local politicians would very much want to count everybody to get the best deal possible on representation in Washington. Because of this, I tend to think they tried hard to count everyone and the not-counted problem we think we are seeing is overblown. One thing to look at is how many adults were living in the household. Each "household" was counted and many times that included more than one family or several generations. I sometimes think that even if they had separate houses on one property, they were counted together as if they had only one house. This might be because the oth! er house was over the hill out of view of the census taker and the people he interviewed thought he wanted to know the numbers of people in different age groups who lived on the whole plantation/property. Or, they might have all lived in one house. In those days, it was the frontier and life was hard. Did they come from CT? I haven't a clue! If I were you I'd look carefully at that idea because it might be true. OTOH, I'd not commit myself to believing it without some pretty good documentation. There was a Thomas Chipps christened in a church in NJ in 1747 and a lot of people have jumped to the conclusion he is the same guy as the one who married Joanna and lived in Mon Co. I've hunted and hunted for evidence of this. What there is is very slim. Mathias Chips of Fayette Co PA is definitely from the NJ line as there are Rev War pension records for Morris Chips of NJ which show Mathias as Morris' brother. I found one court record showing that Thomas Chipps had bought a debt from Mathias. BUT!!! Thomas Chipps had been sheriff for a while. Sheriffs in those days had a sideline of making bond for people and making other loans. There were no banks. It is therefore, quite reasonable for Thomas to be buying debts and suing to collect. It was just a way to make some ! money and Thomas was as interested in that as anybody. The deal with Mathias certainly does not mean they were brothers. They might have been but so far I've not seen proof. I know what you mean about there being so many Roberts lines. I don't have Roberts unless Joanna is one, but I do have Rogers and White and Wright and some others that present the same problem. I have had so much trouble finding the Wrights and found so many who were not the right ones, I made a file folder called "Wrong Wrights". Then, I thought it was a good idea and made folders for "Wrong Rogers", "Wrong Whites" and "wrong" every other name! I have discovered that even if one is looking for Beauregard Humperdink, it is still possible there were 2 of them! -------Jo Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.