Hello List - My wife descends from Jacob Conrad but I do not show an older Ulrich (your message below) in my databse. It appears this older Ulrich could be a brother of Jacob. Do you know how he relates to Jacob? Jacob's dau Elizabeth m. George Fisher and my wife descends on this line. 1 Jacob Conrad/Frena Lauck, 2 Elizabeth Conrad/George Fisher, 3 John Fisher/Anna Miller, 4 Zebulon Fisher/Susannah Upperman, 5 Isaac Newton Fisher/Hulda Hanawalt, 6 Edward Estal Fisher/Clara Belle Switzer, 7 Jesse Estal Fisher/Helen Ione Ramlow, 8 Helen Belle Fisher/Harold Smith, who are my wife's parents. John Gray, Grove City, OH