Nedra and others who tried to help. I saw my information on the LDS site. I have been confused ever since, but I'll try to make myself clear. This is what I startesd with and have in my files. Matthias HARMAN B. 1737, (Rockingham. Cnty) D. 1812 Pendleton. M. Elizabeth ? B. 1741. Children: Isaac B. 1763 .Rockingham D. 1819 Pendleton M. Christina HINKLE 1777 Shendoah County, VA Christina B. 7 Aug 1763 Hampshire - D. 1846 Pendleton. The above came from family search/ IGI and/or rootsweb world connect. In attempting to trace Matthias farther back I ran into real confusion. Now, in trying to explain this to you, I find that I probably just plain made a mistake.. I now don't think that Matthias was the father of the above Isaac HARMAN who married Christina HINKLE. Could't you just shake me for all this confusion? <grin> To make things simple for me, can you tell me who the father of Isaac HARMAN, who married. Christina HINKLE is . . . if he is known. Sorry to be such a bother. Una PS If you want to check the Matthias Harman that started all of this go to <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/default.asp">FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service</A> and search Heinrich Adam Harman - spouse Louisa. Matthias is the 7th child.