I already have the copy of Christian's will in Walter Eye's book, which list all his children. I did ask her if she had any information on Henry, Christopher's son. Haven't heard back from her yet. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lowery <gslowery@net-nw.com> To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com <WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 8:22 PM Subject: Re: HEFNER in NC >Is this person going to send you the info in the will. Might be a break >through. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Betteann Meyers <bam.meyers@worldnet.att.net> >To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com <WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: HEFNER in NC > > >>Judy, >> >>Saw your posting. Rick Toothman's book on probate records has the will of >a >>Christian EYE, dated 16 June 1846. In it is mentioned son Henry, his wife, >>other children (including married daughters). do you have this >information? >>Glad to provide, if not. >> >>Betteann in Las Vegas >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Judy Lowery <jkl@internetcds.com> >>To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com <WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 1:48 PM >>Subject: Re: HEFNER in NC >> >> >>>Hi , >>>Seen your posting. Don't have a Hefner, but was just curious about the >>>EYE's in your family. I am a descendant from Christopher Eye. Through >his >>>son Henry. >>> Judy Lowery >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: rcflesher@juno.com <rcflesher@juno.com> >>>To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com <WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Date: Friday, December 10, 1999 9:55 PM >>>Subject: HEFNER in NC >>> >>> >>>>Does anyone know of a HEFNER line that went to NC or came from NC? >>>> >>>>Thanks. >>>> >>>>Ray in Denver >>>> >>>>FLESHER, POPEJOY, SEYBERT, HEFNER, ARBOGAST, PENINGER, COLAW, >>>>VANDEVENDER, EYE, RULEMAN, SIRON >>>>___________________________________________________________________ >>>>Why pay more to get Web access? >>>>Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! >>>>Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > >

Is this person going to send you the info in the will. Might be a break through. -----Original Message----- From: Betteann Meyers <bam.meyers@worldnet.att.net> To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com <WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 2:24 PM Subject: Re: HEFNER in NC >Judy, > >Saw your posting. Rick Toothman's book on probate records has the will of a >Christian EYE, dated 16 June 1846. In it is mentioned son Henry, his wife, >other children (including married daughters). do you have this information? >Glad to provide, if not. > >Betteann in Las Vegas >-----Original Message----- >From: Judy Lowery <jkl@internetcds.com> >To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com <WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 1:48 PM >Subject: Re: HEFNER in NC > > >>Hi , >>Seen your posting. Don't have a Hefner, but was just curious about the >>EYE's in your family. I am a descendant from Christopher Eye. Through his >>son Henry. >> Judy Lowery >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: rcflesher@juno.com <rcflesher@juno.com> >>To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com <WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Friday, December 10, 1999 9:55 PM >>Subject: HEFNER in NC >> >> >>>Does anyone know of a HEFNER line that went to NC or came from NC? >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>>Ray in Denver >>> >>>FLESHER, POPEJOY, SEYBERT, HEFNER, ARBOGAST, PENINGER, COLAW, >>>VANDEVENDER, EYE, RULEMAN, SIRON >>>___________________________________________________________________ >>>Why pay more to get Web access? >>>Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! >>>Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >>> >>> >> > >

Judy, Saw your posting. Rick Toothman's book on probate records has the will of a Christian EYE, dated 16 June 1846. In it is mentioned son Henry, his wife, other children (including married daughters). do you have this information? Glad to provide, if not. Betteann in Las Vegas -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lowery <jkl@internetcds.com> To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com <WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 1:48 PM Subject: Re: HEFNER in NC >Hi , >Seen your posting. Don't have a Hefner, but was just curious about the >EYE's in your family. I am a descendant from Christopher Eye. Through his >son Henry. > Judy Lowery > >-----Original Message----- >From: rcflesher@juno.com <rcflesher@juno.com> >To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com <WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Friday, December 10, 1999 9:55 PM >Subject: HEFNER in NC > > >>Does anyone know of a HEFNER line that went to NC or came from NC? >> >>Thanks. >> >>Ray in Denver >> >>FLESHER, POPEJOY, SEYBERT, HEFNER, ARBOGAST, PENINGER, COLAW, >>VANDEVENDER, EYE, RULEMAN, SIRON >>___________________________________________________________________ >>Why pay more to get Web access? >>Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! >>Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >> >> >

Hi , Seen your posting. Don't have a Hefner, but was just curious about the EYE's in your family. I am a descendant from Christopher Eye. Through his son Henry. Judy Lowery -----Original Message----- From: rcflesher@juno.com <rcflesher@juno.com> To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com <WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, December 10, 1999 9:55 PM Subject: HEFNER in NC >Does anyone know of a HEFNER line that went to NC or came from NC? > >Thanks. > >Ray in Denver > >FLESHER, POPEJOY, SEYBERT, HEFNER, ARBOGAST, PENINGER, COLAW, >VANDEVENDER, EYE, RULEMAN, SIRON >___________________________________________________________________ >Why pay more to get Web access? >Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! >Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > >

Does anyone know of a HEFNER line that went to NC or came from NC? Thanks. Ray in Denver FLESHER, POPEJOY, SEYBERT, HEFNER, ARBOGAST, PENINGER, COLAW, VANDEVENDER, EYE, RULEMAN, SIRON ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Barbara, Esther Davis' parents were Robert Davis and Sarah Dyer (widow Hawes). Because Hannah is a common name in the Dyer family there may be a relationship but the Davis family is not within my knowledge. Karl

In a message dated 99-12-09 12:41:19 EST, KSquared77@aol.com writes: << Seeking information on the family of Adam Vandeventer & Elizabeth Trumbo (dau of John M. Trumbo & Esther Davis). >> do you know who is Esther Davis' father? Any connection to Hannah Davis who married Joseph Arbogast? Barbara in FL

Hello, Seeking information on the family of Adam Vandeventer & Elizabeth Trumbo (dau of John M. Trumbo & Esther Davis). m 10 Aug 1820 (PC Marriages) 1830 census Pendleton c, VA 2m<5; 1m 5-10; 1m 40-50 2f 5-10; 1f 30-40 1840 census Madison c, IN 1m<5; 1m 5-10; 1m10-15; 1m 15-20; 1m 50-60 1f<5; 1f 5-10; 1f 10-15; 1f 15-20; 1f 40-50 1850 census Madison c, IN Adam Vandeventer 67 VA Sarah 27 VA Jacob 26 VA Melinda 24 VA Decatur 21 VA Esther 16 VA Lydia 14 VA Herman 11 another state? also in another household probably Sampson Vandeventer 18 ? Cheers, Karl Kiser

Oh, the scandals should be priceless - just proves that human nature never changes. Barbara On that note I have to respond, there are some juicy divorce cases, one in my family that Morton didn't dare list so you could make sense of it. There were men who just up and left, wife later remarried, husband returned--you can guess the mess there, some decided to split without legal divorce (too expensive and hard to get) and the man and wife went to live with another man and woman and raised other families, there are records of parent(s) being hauled into court because their child had a kid out of wedlock--just no way Morton could include all that and not get hung. Or anybody else for that matter. The scandals are there in many cases in the court records, those are the things families lied about and ignored and certainly didn't tell the grandchildren about. Jean

Please Santa, break down this BRICK WALL for me for Christmas! My Sara D. WILSON was born on July 17, 1824 in Pendleton County, VA and married there on May 14, 1848 to Charles Beckwith FOWLER, born March 28, 1825 in Rockingham County, VA a son of Wilson W. and Lucinda (NICKOLS) FOWLER. Sara's death certificate says that she is a daughter of James WILSON but no mother is given. To my knowledge, her and Charles's marriage license does not list parents. Below is all I have to go on as far as a mother for Sara. Can anyone help???? A James WILSON married Sarah SMALLRIDGE in Pendleton County, Va., on March 8, 1823. Ceremony performed by Otho Wade, Can anyone give me a list of children of this couple?? Also, a James WILSON married Rachel BLIZARD in Pendleton County on June 15, 1819. Ceremony performed by F. Lair. Is this the SAME James WILSON with two different wives. Does anyone have a list of the children of this couple. Any help greatly appreciated. Will answer all responses. Carlisle Bowling Zarvon@aol.com P. O. Box 1177 Flagler Beach, FL 32136-1177

The name WAYBRIGHT is now included on the Genforum. Do hope to hear about your connections. Evelyn

Searching any/all information on Martin and Michael WAYBRIGHT of Pendelton--Highland Cos. What happened to Michael Waybright and his wife, Catherenia, after they sold their land in Pendleton Co. on 3 September 1826 to Adam Halterman? They do not appear on the 1830 Pendleton or Highland Co. census. Am trying to establish who the children were of Michael and Catherine. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Evelyn

Just had to stick my nose in this discussion. The place where I find that people absolutely did not lie concerns land deeds and land battles. Find, seek, search for that juicy land battle and you will have information coming out your ears and it will be true. Children are named, illegitimacies, husbands and wives, etc. Never ever overlook the deeds--especially ones marked in indexes as done by land commissioner, or order of court, etc. They are priceless. Also, in the burnt courthouse counties. After the fire families came in the establish ownership of their land and they often have the original deed that they file, or they have sworn depositions as to how they got the land and the children of the original owner and how they fit in the scheme. Found one of those in Webster Co that was the final proof I needed on my Snyder line. Just because the thing burnt up once does not mean it doesn't show up again, just a different date. I mention this as I think this is one of the most overlooked aspects of genealogical research. It takes time, but it is worth it and it often disproves a lot of the old myths that have been handed down. Also, poor Morton, remember he was trying to cover up the approximately 10% illegitimate births among the population along with other scandals. He is a good starting place, just check everything. And everybody lies about ages or misgives them during their lives. Just being human. Merry Christmas Jean

In a message dated 12/7/99 4:31:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, jloudin@rtol.net writes: << Oh, the scandals should be priceless - just proves that human nature never changes. Barbara On that note I have to respond, there are some juicy divorce cases, one in my family that Morton didn't dare list so you could make sense of it. There were men who just up and left, wife later remarried, husband returned--you can guess the mess there, some decided to split without legal divorce (too expensive and hard to get) and the man and wife went to live with another man and woman and raised other families, there are records of parent(s) being hauled into court because their child had a kid out of wedlock--just no way Morton could include all that and not get hung. Or anybody else for that matter. The scandals are there in many cases in the court records, those are the things families lied about and ignored and certainly didn't tell the grandchildren about. Jean >> if Morton was alive today, I'd hang him :) Debbie

In a message dated 99-12-07 15:46:03 EST, jloudin@rtol.net writes: << Also, poor Morton, remember he was trying to cover up the approximately 10% illegitimate births among the population along with other scandals. He is a good starting place, just check everything. And everybody lies about ages or misgives them during their lives. Just being human. Merry Christmas Jean >> Oh, the scandals should be priceless - just proves that human nature never changes. Barbara

At 05:54 PM 12/06/1999 -0600, you wrote: >Hello Pendleton list > >I would like to vent a little. > >I have finished my Davis line from the Seneca area of pendleton Co. and >the mis-information that I have seen leaves a lot to be desired. > >1. People that believe things to be true just because they are written >somewhere in a book- books like the history of Pendleton co. and Braxton >Co. Put this junk in their tree and publish it all over the web and >there it will be to confuse others. And the LDS is the same. >It is apparent that these people never made a trip to the Federal Census >Records Center .I can understand that -I'm lucky to be fifty miles from >the one in Kansas City. In those history books I can believe the public >records that they quote- I consider the rest just a hint, a lead to be >confirmed. I will not take the time here to tell you of the things I >found to be wrong in my Davis line. > >2. In this era we jump to the conclusion that a John Sr. and John Jr. in >the same area must be father and son. That is not true for the early >years. I have two cases in my Davis line- Thomas Sr. and Thomas Jr. plus >Jesse Sr. and Jesse Jr . both of the seniors were uncles to the juniors. >It was just a way to tell them apart. It may have just been added by the >census taker. > >thanks for your time >don knarr in Ks Don, You're correct. Any time someone gives information, the source should also be listed. Remember also that the census lists ages given by people at the time, and I have found as many descrepencies in the census as everywhere else. They should also be taken "with a grain of salt" Neil > > > >

My experience exactly. Errors by Morton in his histories have thoroughly muddied the waters in my own family tree, and we still have not sorted it out. I often have people mail me relationships, yet they are just copying Morton's bad research. But the Census is no better. There is not one definitive source for information that is secure from human error. Question everything. Even hand me down stories are suspect. John Colaw ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "sprtpr" <sprtpr@neo.rr.com> Reply-To: WVPENDLE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:34:25 -0500 At 05:54 PM 12/06/1999 -0600, you wrote: >Hello Pendleton list > >I would like to vent a little. > >I have finished my Davis line from the Seneca area of pendleton Co. and >the mis-information that I have seen leaves a lot to be desired. > >1. People that believe things to be true just because they are written >somewhere in a book- books like the history of Pendleton co. and Braxton >Co. Put this junk in their tree and publish it all over the web and >there it will be to confuse others. And the LDS is the same. >It is apparent that these people never made a trip to the Federal Census >Records Center .I can understand that -I'm lucky to be fifty miles from >the one in Kansas City. In those history books I can believe the public >records that they quote- I consider the rest just a hint, a lead to be >confirmed. I will not take the time here to tell you of the things I >found to be wrong in my Davis line. > >2. In this era we jump to the conclusion that a John Sr. and John Jr. in >the same area must be father and son. That is not true for the early >years. I have two cases in my Davis line- Thomas Sr. and Thomas Jr. plus >Jesse Sr. and Jesse Jr . both of the seniors were uncles to the juniors. >It was just a way to tell them apart. It may have just been added by the >census taker. > >thanks for your time >don knarr in Ks Don, You're correct. Any time someone gives information, the source should also be listed. Remember also that the census lists ages given by people at the time, and I have found as many descrepencies in the census as everywhere else. They should also be taken "with a grain of salt" Neil > > > >

This is a message I received from one of the other mailing lists that I am a member of. It is in reference to the misinformation that has been discussed. I found it to be interesting... I have a friend who is 96. She says that when she was a child and the Census taker came around, they took the word of whomever they could find at home. She said that at 5 years old, she just guessed at everyone's age and birthdate. When she got older, she deliberately switched birthdates with her brother because he wanted to sign up for military duty when he was 2 years underage. Later, she had an awful time getting it straightened out with Social Security when she wanted to retire at 65 and they thought she was 63. Evidently, the Census data, right or wrong was a legal proof of age for some purposes. I used to worry a lot about not having the exact dates correct on an ancestor match but now I just smile and shake my head, especially when I have high confidence in the rest of the data.> What good insight into some of the reasons for Inaccuracy of census data, especially dates. I've always been told the census is an unreliable source because of the tendency of people to tell "white lies" such as illustrated here or, more importantly, to maintain appearances. The census taker is likely a neighbor and, although the census data are supposed to be private, how could one resist juicy information? I always try to find families in more than one census and compare the implied birthdates. In one family, there were two daughters who seemed destined to become old maids. It was interesting that they did not advance 10 years with the last census I found. More like two or three, and it can be presumed either they or their parents still held out hopes. Both funny and true.

Hello Pendleton list I would like to vent a little. I have finished my Davis line from the Seneca area of pendleton Co. and the mis-information that I have seen leaves a lot to be desired. 1. People that believe things to be true just because they are written somewhere in a book- books like the history of Pendleton co. and Braxton Co. Put this junk in their tree and publish it all over the web and there it will be to confuse others. And the LDS is the same. It is apparent that these people never made a trip to the Federal Census Records Center .I can understand that -I'm lucky to be fifty miles from the one in Kansas City. In those history books I can believe the public records that they quote- I consider the rest just a hint, a lead to be confirmed. I will not take the time here to tell you of the things I found to be wrong in my Davis line. 2. In this era we jump to the conclusion that a John Sr. and John Jr. in the same area must be father and son. That is not true for the early years. I have two cases in my Davis line- Thomas Sr. and Thomas Jr. plus Jesse Sr. and Jesse Jr . both of the seniors were uncles to the juniors. It was just a way to tell them apart. It may have just been added by the census taker. thanks for your time don knarr in Ks

In a message dated 99-11-07 15:14:01 EST, Jenn5472@aol.com writes: << I also have some additinal notes on Lemuel Arbogast if this will help, but not much on Susan Bennett, sorry, I wish I could help more. Jennifer >> Would love to have your notes on Lemuel. thank you. Barbara