I learned the HARD WAY - I handed over 10 years of research and about a year later found it posted on the web as their own. They have marriages documented as FACT, when there has never been documentation to substantiate it. I have a few things I felt strongly about but I had no proof and I had it documented "IT IS MY BELIEF...........". When I saw it on the web, it was documented as a FACT. What I had spent 10 years working to find and document had been trashed in minutes. The line I passed on was MY maternal line. When I saw the material on the web, they even included MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, who had no ties whatsoever to the person posting. The person REALLY screwed up my line for sure - making things fact that never were. This is why you can't take what's online as gospel - you have to do your own research to be sure it's correct. What we get from others may be a starting point. We have too many genealogy pirates to just see something and take it as truth. The word soon gets out on those Pirating Genealogy and passing it off as their own. ALWAYS give credit to the person whose work you are adding to your own and MOST OF ALl, NEVER state something as a FACT, if it is only the belief of another - DOCUMENT IT AS SUCH. SKB

We all know the risk of taking someone else's work as gospel (hopefully) but it does often lead us down the track to prove or disprove a theory. I personally don't see where it would hurt to post them if people are willing to give up their data for the project. Nancy People may not remember exactly what you did, or what you said, ... but they will always remember how you made them feel.

I like the idea! Angel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Turner Smith" <genie@hot.rr.com> To: <WVMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: [WVMorgan] Input NEEDED > Howdy researchers, > Today I came across what is called a "Family Group Sheet Project". In > essence people can submit Family Group Sheets as long as no living > persons are included in the information and these FGSs are then made > available to other researchers via a search engine. > > The pros of the project are many. We could make faster and more > definate connections and share our information with more "cousins". > > The major drawback I find in this is the problem of junk genealogy. > People find information that a) they don't document where they got it > from OR b) there is no real documentation, it's just theory. Then these > folks make that information available to the public and despite the > warnings that "this is just theory and not documented" etc. others take > the information as gospel truth and spread it throughout the known > world. Point in hand - the wife of William YOST of Morgan County (b. > 1744 PA?) is supposedly Elizabeth CLOVER. So far, NO ONE has found any > documentation to back that THEORY up but it is spread far and wide as > fact with little to point to the fact that it is a theory. > > The input I want from YOU is - do you think a Morgan County Family Group > Sheet Project would be a good idea considering the problem with > documentation?? > > Please post all responses to the list so we may discuss this and make a > decision together. > > Charlene > > > > ==== WVMORGAN Mailing List ==== > Join the Morgan County Historical and Genealogical Society TODAY! > Visit their website @ <http://www.mchgs.com> for a membership form. > Cost is $5 per person or $7.50 per couple per year.... a good investment. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Howdy researchers, Today I came across what is called a "Family Group Sheet Project". In essence people can submit Family Group Sheets as long as no living persons are included in the information and these FGSs are then made available to other researchers via a search engine. The pros of the project are many. We could make faster and more definate connections and share our information with more "cousins". The major drawback I find in this is the problem of junk genealogy. People find information that a) they don't document where they got it from OR b) there is no real documentation, it's just theory. Then these folks make that information available to the public and despite the warnings that "this is just theory and not documented" etc. others take the information as gospel truth and spread it throughout the known world. Point in hand - the wife of William YOST of Morgan County (b. 1744 PA?) is supposedly Elizabeth CLOVER. So far, NO ONE has found any documentation to back that THEORY up but it is spread far and wide as fact with little to point to the fact that it is a theory. The input I want from YOU is - do you think a Morgan County Family Group Sheet Project would be a good idea considering the problem with documentation?? Please post all responses to the list so we may discuss this and make a decision together. Charlene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Riggs, Chaney Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FEC.2ACE/15.1 Message Board Post: I have an Elizabeth Chaney that was married to a Samual (or Samuel) Riggs. I show she was born in 1806. Please let me know if this helps or fits anywhere. Thanks, Tom Riggs Jr.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ROACH MILLER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FEC.2ACE/584.588 Message Board Post: I'm looking for information on the ROACHes of Morgan County. I'm looking for a Robert ROACH who had a son Lue b. July 3, 1880 Wirt Co., WV with a Margaret MILLER. Lue's obit states he was preceded in death by 1/2 brother and 1/2 sister, and survived by 1/2 sisters Emma, Clarice, and Ida. Any information you might be able to provide would greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FEC.2ACE/158.123 Message Board Post: I'm looking for ROACH in the Morgan County WV area as well. Looking for a Robert ROACH who had a son with Margaret MILLER. That son, Lue ROACH b. July 3, 1880 Wirt Co., WV. One Robert Roach shows up in the 1880 census with wife Frances daughters Anna, Emma, and son Charles. My Lue's obit lists 1/2 siblings preceding him in death, and 1/2 sisters Ida, Emma, and Clarice surviving.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ROACH MILLER GABBERT WHITEHAIR Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FEC.2ACE/833.12.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you for your kindness assisting in my search. I hope one day I am able to return the gesture.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FEC.2ACE/833.12.1 Message Board Post: Dennis, I DO NOT have the book but your posting was timely as I just today went to my library where there is a copy. I looked under the John Roach listing and did not see any information that appeared to match your inquiry....there was also no information under the Millers that I saw by quickly scanning. However, something did pop right out at me under the John Roach listing. It stated ... "One of John Earl's brothers is Jesse Delmar who lives in Berkeley Springs. He has two children Charles Luetta and grandchildren." Since you were referencing a Lue and a Luetta came up in the text I thought that was interesting. Sorry that nothing more came up. Ginger

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FEC.2ACE/833.12 Message Board Post: I've read many of the postings regarding this book, and it seems as if there’s a lot of valuable information contained within it. However, I have not seen a posting of anyone willing to do look ups. With the fact that the book appears so difficult to obtain, is there anyone willing to look up the John Roach family history? I’m specifically looking for a Robert Roach m. Margaret Miller. They had a son Lue b. July 3, 1880, Wirt Co., WV. I’ve tried to locate Robert Roach in the 1880 census, but there were only two old enough to be my Lue’s father, one of them being from Morgan County. In Lue’s obit, it states that he was preceded in death by a ½ brother and ½ sister. It also states that he was survived by three ½ sisters: Ida REYNOLDS, Clarice MILLSTEAD, and Emma SWRINGER. If anyone has access to the book and is willing to look up the information for me, I would greatly appreciate it.

Will do 1850, 1860 and 1870 Morgan Co., WV census look ups...Lynette

Well said Charlene Edie Researching the descendants of the Hawbottom Johnson family cemetery i(1773-1920) n Frederick County, MD, (Janet Somerville and Henry Johnson)

Okay folks, It is time for the hub-bub about the bidding/on-line sale of books to come to an end. Just to make sure we're all on the same sheet of music here's the story... Wanda approached me about selling the books. I listed them here with instructions for folks to place bids by contacting Wanda privately. Most folks did just that, a few didn't. Wanda also posted her offerings on the Morgan County Message Board, which was automatically posted to this list. Rather than contact her privately, some folks used the message board and posted a reply, which again was also posted here. This is where the "problem" arose. Wanda did absolutely NOTHING wrong. We're so accustomed to the relative quiet on this list that the sudden rush of messages caused some misunderstanding. In the future, I sincerely hope that ANY of you who has books or research materials that may be of help to any researchers in Morgan County will offer them to us first. Please contact me first and than I will do my best to make sure the whole list is warned ahead of time that there may be an increase in list traffic for a few days. Let me add, I have been the list manager for so long I've forgotten when I took it over and this is the first thing that even remotely resembles a "family squabble". I am so PROUD of ALL of us for our restraint and decorum! NOW, to those who "won" the auctions ... please share with the rest of us! Let me know which books you own and are willing to do look-ups in and I'll get the info posted. Back to genealogy, Charlene

If anyone is interested in the 1880 Morgan Co WV Census, I have transcribed all districts and which includes the following headings: Page # with House # Name Relationship Sex Race Age Occupation Birthplace Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Each page of the 1880 Morgan County Census has been uploaded as a single page (some pages may take a minute or two to load at lower connection speeds. All data comes from what I viewed on the actual census pages. Some page numbers in the Bath District have been changed to the correct page numbers and not what is commonly used. Any mistakes are probably mine; however if someone has a request to recheck, I will be happy to do so as time permits. <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdallcem/">http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdallcem/</A> Dusti Myers ********************************** "I wave my skeletons proudly"

Sharon-- If you took time out to check Rootsweb List for the online sale of Wanda's books, you would have noticed that the file doesn't exist. The posting has long been deleted by the Wanda herself. The bidding and the updates of the current bids were done by private emails to her email address only. And, she kept in touch with us the same way. No bids were EVER posted to the Rootsweb Site. Probably after time, the postings to the Rootsweb Archives may be deleted to make room for new queries. Who knows. Gloria

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FEC.2ACE/904 Message Board Post: I am looking for any information on a Clifton Ambrose. He was my grandmother's Nancy Ambrose Bartolin cousin. Clifton was the grandson of Mathias Ambrose. I have my grandmother's journals from 1902 until 1904 which she writes about Clifton amoung other family and neighbors in Martinsburg and Berkley Springs. I have not been able to find any information on Clifton except for the journals and Mathias's will

I didn't hear anyone objecting to announcing books for sale online. I have done that myself. What I heard someone say was that the bidding process should be done between those who are involved in the bidding-- by private email. I agree with both statements, which I believe are being misunderstood and confused in subsequent posts. Wilmer L. Kerns -----Original Message----- From: Gloria J. Chambers [mailto:peachesandcream@myexcel.com] Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:58 AM To: WVMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WVMorgan] (WVMorgan) Bidding on Books ONLINE What's the big deal about posting books for sale online? It's no difference then posting genealogy online! Besides, if you were looking for a special book about YOUR family tree, how else would you be aware of it. This site is the best place to inform people of MORGAN, BERKELEY & JEFFERSON counties. Wanda, you go girl. If it wasn't for you we would not have been able to find those rare original books of our heritage!!! Gloria ==== WVMORGAN Mailing List ==== Join the Morgan County Historical and Genealogical Society TODAY! Visit their website @ <http://www.mchgs.com> for a membership form. Cost is $5 per person or $7.50 per couple per year.... a good investment. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Gloria, I agree with you very much about the posting of books on the mailing list...After all they are books to do with genealogy it is not as if she was putting books that had nothing to do with it on the list....I guess maybe some people just have to get a life if they have to let something like that bother them....Lynette

What's the big deal about posting books for sale online? It's no difference then posting genealogy online! Besides, if you were looking for a special book about YOUR family tree, how else would you be aware of it. This site is the best place to inform people of MORGAN, BERKELEY & JEFFERSON counties. Wanda, you go girl. If it wasn't for you we would not have been able to find those rare original books of our heritage!!! Gloria

I say keep offering books etc. if they have to do with genealogy this is part of what this list is all about...People who were insulted should just think about it....The mails were listed as bid info, if you didn't want to read it hit the delete button....I for one am upset that people feel the need to put something like this down...I am grateful to get a chance to get books etc for genealogy info, that I would otherwise not have the chance for.....(MY OPINION) Lynette