In a message dated 10/17/2004 3:19:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Lizzy8889@aol.com writes: I hope you read the other reply I got. It sure did have a lot of info in it. I appreciate you time and information. May I ask what May you are researching? I too have a May line. Thanks very much. Causby Prince Marshall

In a message dated 10/17/2004 3:58:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, BonJVarney@aol.com writes: Thank you very much, this explains why I've never been able to find him in any census of record books. I believe Alex Messer died in prison will try to get his death records from there. Thanks so very much that was a great help. Causby Prince Marshall > >

Feud Hatfields, McCoys, and Social Change in Appalachia, 1860-1900 by Altina L. Waller p. 220 "By the fall of 1888, the detectives had succeeded in capturing three more Hatfield feudists--Charlie Gillespie, Ellison Mounts, and Alex Messer." The Hatfields and the McCoys by Otis K. Rice p. 28 Judge George N. Brown of the Pike County Circuit Court charged a grand jury with naming the killer of the three McCoy boys. The grand jury returned indictments against twenty men. Alex Messer was one of them. p. 99 Before the end of October 1888, Detectives Dan Cunningham and Treve Gibson "concentrated their attention upon Alex Messer, one of the most dangerous men on the Tug Valley. Messer had once served as deputy sheriff of Perry County and allegedly had twenty seven notches in his gun." "the detectives traced Messer to a store in Lincoln County, West Virginia. They engaged him in friendly conversation, and Messer invited them to his lodgings. There Cunningham and Gibson identified themselves and the helpless Messer went along peacefully." Rice’s source: The Wheeling Register, November 18, 1888. For Messer’s killings, see also Huntington Advertiser, September 11, 1888. p. 101 During Ellison Mounts trial, he named Alex Messer as one of the 7men who actually shot the McCoys p. 105 Alex Messer tried simultaneously with Dock and Plyant Mahon and all received sentences of life imprisonment. Rice’s source: Huntington Advertiser, September 11, 1889. p. 106 "When Alex Messer heard the judge sentence him to "hard labor for the period of your natural life," he rose and, addressing the bench, declared, " Hit’s mighty little work I can do, Jedge. Hain’t been able to work none o’ any’ ‘ count for several years." Sentenced on September 5, 1889 and taken to Frankfort, Ky.

From page 220 in the book "Feud - Hatfields, McCoys and Social Change in Appalachia, 1860 - 1900" by Altina L. Waller: ".... By the fall of 1888, the detectives had succeeded in capturing three more Hatfield feudists---Charlie Gillespie, Ellison Mounts and Alex Messer...." I found this book in a gift shop in Webster Springs, WVa. (Webster County). Liz Robinson VARNEY, TURNER, MAY, RUTHERFORD, RUNYON, HATFIELD AND MCCOY

I have a lead on my Alex Messer, I was told he was mentions in the Hatfield and McCoy Feud. His name is supposed to be in a book written about the Feud. If any of you have a book, will you please look his name up and see if he is in there. I was also told he went to prison, this also might be in the book. Any and all help would be appreciated. Thanks Causby Prince Marshall Prince, Conley, May, Hannah, Dempsey, Davis, Sturgill , Hall, Carter Messer, Dillon

Hi Anita, I am not sure where Fayette county is?? I was born in Mingo county Wv, but I grew up mostly in Ohio. My maiden name is Ramey, my married name is Wireman. my husband was born in Magoffin county Ky but he too was raised in Ohio. I am not sure who this could be but most likely it is some of my husbands relatives. Wilma ----- Original Message ----- From: <Atnvolsgirl@wmconnect.com> To: <WVMINGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WVMINGO] re: Wilma > Wilma, > > Is Wireman your surname? Married or maiden? The reason that I am asking > is > that I was reading an old cemetery here in Fayette County and came across > the > grave of "Margaret WIREMAN-mother." It was a red brick and the letters > were > stamped into it and that was the only information on it. I have not seen > that > name around here before. > > Anita McClung > Fayette County, WV > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Wilma, Is Wireman your surname? Married or maiden? The reason that I am asking is that I was reading an old cemetery here in Fayette County and came across the grave of "Margaret WIREMAN-mother." It was a red brick and the letters were stamped into it and that was the only information on it. I have not seen that name around here before. Anita McClung Fayette County, WV

Causby, I have a lot of info on the May family but I need some info from you to see if we can make some connections. Who was your David May married to ? I see they lived in Mingo county, I was born in Mingo county a small town called Matewan. Most of my family on my mothers side came from mingo county Wv, and Pike county Ky. get back with me soon with the names of the wifes of some of thes people. Wilma ----- Original Message ----- From: <Causbymarshall08@wmconnect.com> To: <WVMINGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [WVMINGO] David May > Wilma, > Please accept my apologize. > After I sent your e-mail I realized what I had done. > We'll have to go back farther to see if our Mays' are related. > Let me give you what I have. > My David May b. 1859 Pike Co... KY s/o Isaac F. May > Isaac May b. 1829 Va. s/o William May b. 1800 Va. > William May s/o James May Va. > That as far back as I have. > Does our line cross anywhere? > I know there was a Caleb May who family has published a book. > Do you know of it? > Since David May died when my grandfather William Henry May was > only abt.10 or so no one in my family knows anything about the family. > I know David had 15 siblings. I found this out searching the Census. > I also know David's brother Joseph was a minister and performed > some marriages in Mingo Co.. > He's the only family member anyone has an account of. > Sorry again for the William. > Hope you will reply. > Will share any info I have. > Causby > > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

Wilma, Please accept my apologize. After I sent your e-mail I realized what I had done. We'll have to go back farther to see if our Mays' are related. Let me give you what I have. My David May b. 1859 Pike Co... KY s/o Isaac F. May Isaac May b. 1829 Va. s/o William May b. 1800 Va. William May s/o James May Va. That as far back as I have. Does our line cross anywhere? I know there was a Caleb May who family has published a book. Do you know of it? Since David May died when my grandfather William Henry May was only abt.10 or so no one in my family knows anything about the family. I know David had 15 siblings. I found this out searching the Census. I also know David's brother Joseph was a minister and performed some marriages in Mingo Co.. He's the only family member anyone has an account of. Sorry again for the William. Hope you will reply. Will share any info I have. Causby

Alma, I put the name William J Smith in the SSDI(social security death index)and 508 names came up. Have you looked there to find his S.S number? http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ This might be a start, but keep us informed so we might add help if we can find any. Judi ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlmaSmith2@aol.com> To: <WVMINGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: [WVMINGO] William Jennings Smith I am looking for any information anyone has on my father William Jennings Smith, I can't seem to find anything on him, he passed away at the age of 23. I know he was born to Virginia ( Evans ) Smith and William Patterson Smith in Hardy Ky. They lived at Stone, Ky. I know my grandmothers parents are Hester and Larry Evans. I know nothing about my grandfathers genealogy. I can't even find a social security number for my father. His birth date was July 20, 1932 and his death date was July 14, 1956. Any information you can give me about siblings, s.s. # or genealogy on parents would be appreciated so much. Thank You Alma Smith-Christian ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Oops, I caught a typo after I sent my last message. Absalom Elkins was born in 1781, not 1791. Vanessa

Hi Rick, All of the Elkins families in Logan and Boone counties were descendants of one of three brothers, or else they were descendants of a cousin of those brothers. The three brothers were Richard Elkins born about 1768 (married Nancy Leslie McGuire), Zachariah Elkins born about 1764 (married Rachel), or William Elkins born about 1772 (married Ann). The cousin was Absalom Elkins born in 1791. Absalom Elkins' father was a first cousin of Richard, Zach, and William. Do you have any idea who the parents were of Daniel P. Elkins who was born about 1833? Was that your Aunt Essie's father? I haven't researched that Daniel Elkins at all, but I'm guessing that he was probably a grandson of Zach, William, or Richard. Daniel was age 17 in the 1850 Boone County census, living with Andrew Workman (age 36) and family (also living there was Nancy White age 92), and not living particularly close to any other Elkins family. But even if he was, it might not mean much, since the children of Richard, Zach, and William married each other in some cases. I've thought about looking at all of the Elkins families on the 1840 census who had a son less than 10 years old, then trying to narrow the choices down through elimination, but I never got around to doing that. I know that your research is on the Mullins line, not the Elkins line, but I just wondered if you might by chance know more about Daniel P. Elkins. Vanessa ----- Original Message ----- From: <RCSWVA@aol.com> Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Wm McNeely and Rachel Elkins Thank you, Joel. They are my gggg grandparents. My grand uncle Golden Mullins married Essie Elkins of Boone Co. Aunt Essie was a descendent of that Daniel P. Elkins of Boone Co. and her mother was a Stone. I wonder if the Boone Co. Elkins and Logan Co. Elkins are the same outfit?

I am looking for any information anyone has on my father William Jennings Smith, I can't seem to find anything on him, he passed away at the age of 23. I know he was born to Virginia ( Evans ) Smith and William Patterson Smith in Hardy Ky. They lived at Stone, Ky. I know my grandmothers parents are Hester and Larry Evans. I know nothing about my grandfathers genealogy. I can't even find a social security number for my father. His birth date was July 20, 1932 and his death date was July 14, 1956. Any information you can give me about siblings, s.s. # or genealogy on parents would be appreciated so much. Thank You Alma Smith-Christian

Hi Causby, Well here is my David May- David May, son of Daniel May was born April 1819, he married Arminda Melvina Tucker in 1838, she was the daughter of Daniel Tucker. David and Arminda were the parents of 17 children. 1- Nancy b. 1840 2- James Mitch b 1842 3- Mary A. b 1844 4- Amanda V. b 1847 5- Leah b. 1848 6- Emeline b. 1850 7- Louisa b. 1852 8- Arminda b. June 7, 1854 9- Lucinda b. June 7, 1854 10- Daniel Richard b. 1856 11- Phoeby b. 1858 12- Rena b. August 1860 13- Elizabeth b. 1862 (my great grandmother 14- Loranzy Dow b. 1865, died Feb 18, 1948 15- Serepta b. 1866 16- Allen b. June 1869 They were all born in Pike county Ky. My name is Wilma, not William. wwireman@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Causbymarshall08@wmconnect.com> To: <WVMINGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [WVMINGO] David May > William, > Sorry, but we must have different David May. My David married > Causby Dempsey and to my knowledge they only had three > children, William Henry, Rebecca, and Isaac. David died > sometime between 1890 and 1900. > David May b. 1859 Pike Co. Ky. s/o Isaac F. May and Tabitha Jane Presley. > Tell me about your David May. > Causby Prince Marshall > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

William, Sorry, but we must have different David May. My David married Causby Dempsey and to my knowledge they only had three children, William Henry, Rebecca, and Isaac. David died sometime between 1890 and 1900. David May b. 1859 Pike Co. Ky. s/o Isaac F. May and Tabitha Jane Presley. Tell me about your David May. Causby Prince Marshall

Hi Causby, I saved your email till I had time to to tak\lk to you. David May was my Great Great grandfather, his daughter Elizabeth (May) Dotson, who married Will Dotson was my great grandmother, Elizabeths daughter Rosie Belle (Dotson) Coleman, who married William Green Coleman was my grandmother. I just wanted to give you this information. Wilma Wireman wwireman@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Causbymarshall08@wmconnect.com> To: <WVMINGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: [WVMINGO] David May > Would anyone be able to tell me where I might find the > Cementery where David May is buried. He was the first > husband of Causby Dempsey. He died when my grand- > was 10 yrs. old, Don't know any of his family. Would like > to know where they lived. Somewhere in Mingo of Logan > C. I'll take any clues. > Causby > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Barb, Your query on the Mounce-L list today caught my attention as I have long wondered whether or not there was a connection between the Mounce/Mounts family of Wayne & Pulaski County, KY and my David Mounts/Mountz who settled along the Tug River a little after 1800. Do you have any idea of how long Slone/Sloan Mounts/Mounce was in the Logan Co., WV area? I am forwarding this reply to you to the Logan & Mingo lists to see if any researchers there have heard of him, the shoot-out with a sheriff over moonshine, and his date of death. Have you asked folks on the Pulaski & Wayne Co., KY lists? Do you have an approximate date of death? Know where death occurred?? Records on my David appear briefly in Floyd County, KY then in Cabell & Logan County, Virginia. All these locations are along the Tug and he lived in present day Mingo County, WV close to the Tug River which forms a boarder with KY. My David of Logan County and a John Mounce/Mounts in the area of Wayne County are the earliest Mounts I have found so far in the land grants. I have picked up the Christian name David in a later Mounts family from Wayne. Of course, there came to be various David's up along the Tug as David Mounts b. 1785- d. 1852 was the progenitor of the Mounts family in the Tug area. Do you know if Sloan/Slone Mounce/Mounts was in Logan for work only or if he had relations in Logan, WV? I have found a few things which may help you: The name Slone, which shows up Sloan: A William Mounce married Polly Sloan 20 July 1820 in Wayne County, KY. Perhaps your Sloan Mounce is descended from this line??????? Pulaski used to be part of Wayne.......... 1920 census Logan, Logan County, WV SLOAN MOUNTS is shown as a boarder in the home of GROVER BRACKMAN. He is listed as a white male, age 40, divorced, and a coal miner. Other MOUNTS heads of households listed in Logan City, Logan WV in 1920 include Alek, Carl, Gus, Kenis F., & Mollie. There are, of course, many more Mounts in Logan & Mingo Counties in 1920. In an index to the 1910 census I find SLOAN MOUNCE, age 31, living in Burnside, Pulaski County, KY. White male. estim b. 1878. In 1910 other heads of households living in Burnside are John Mounce, b. 1884 and Mike Mounce, b. 1852. There are a great deal of Mounce individuals in Pulaski Co. in 1910. From what you posted, I assume that the Mike Mounce, b. 1852, is the father of Sloan Mounce. Do you know the parents of Mike Mounce b. 1852? In the 1910 KY Miracode Index I find Sloan Mounce, b. KY, residing Burnside, Pulaski County, wife Lizzie E., 23, b. KY, son Mat L. [Matt?], N. R., b. KY. In the 1900 Census I find SLOAN MOUNCE listed in the Ohio State Penitentiary, Columbus, Franklin County, Ohio. He is age 20, estimated birth year is 1880, b. KY, white, prisoner. This was in Precinct C and enumerated on 9 June 1900, line 93. Birthdate is given as May, 1880. Age 20. Divorced. He & both parents born KY. Can read, write, and speaks English. 1900 Federal Census, Ohio State Penitentiary, Franklin, Ohio; Roll T623 1269; Page 8B; Enumeration District: 111. A daughter of Sloan Mounce & Emma White [one of his 4 wives] , your grandmother SNOWA? : A Snowa M. Logan, born 13 February 1904, died 8 December 1985 in Portsmouth, Scioto County, OH. Residence is listed as out-of-state. She was born in KY. She was 81 at her death, white, widowed. SS#268-03--6142. Vol. 26285, certificate 095639, Ohio Deaths. You can probably obtain a copy of the death certificate from the Ohio Department of Health in Columbus, OH. Kentucky also issued a death certificate for Snowa M. Logan, died 8 December 1985 in Ohio, age 81. Residence Lewis County. Volume 910, Certificate 1848. You can get death certs. from KY, too. In the 1930 [enum. 3 April 1930 Cincinnati City] census Snowa Logan is living [renters] in Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., OH, age 26, with husband Jeff Logan, 34, and sons: Carl, 7; Harry, 6; Junior, 4 9/12; and Irvin, 3 8/12. Jeff was born in Georgia. All the children were born in Ohio. Jeff's parents were also born in Georgia and Snowa's parents were both born in Kentucky. Jeff was a laborer on the railroad. Social Security Death Index has Snowa Logan b. 13 Feb. 1904 died Dec. 1985 SS# as 406-64-5626. The number was issued in KY (1963). Last residence: Vanceburg, Lewis County, KY. You can also request a copy of her social security application. I don't know why the social security numbers don't match---looks like the same person to me. Could one be Jeff's number??? I just don't know.... I couldn't find Snowa in 1910 & 1920--probably not looking under the correct name or spelling. Hope someone else knows something! Good Luck! Brenda

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