Hi All: Several have written to ask why I am selling the laptop. To answer that question for everyone, I purchased a new 300 MHz IBM ThinkPad i Series model 1411 with 96 Megs of RAM and a 4.2 Gig Hard Drive. Some have written to ask that I sell the ThinkPad 380D for much less than the asking price of $900. I priced a new IBM ThinkPad 380D last week. It was $1095 with 16 Megs of RAM. It costs $150 to upgrade the RAM to 80 Megs. So a person could purchase a new IBM 380D just like mine for $1245. I have $1845 in mine. I think $900 is a fair price for a computer which is 8 months old and still under warrenty from IBM. For some the software I will include is a bonus. For others it is not. Hope this helps everyone decide whether they should or should not contact me about purchasing the computer. All for now, Vernon

I am looking for my grandfather George Albert ARCHER born in Majorsville,Marshall co.,WV. He was born to George William & Anna (GUNN) ARCHER on 18 May, 1892, died on 20 Aug.,1973 in Massillon,Stark,Oh. He married Ella Mae CLAY born 5 Feb.,1894 in Wheeling,Ohio co.,WV any help would be greatful. If you can please post or e-mail at [email protected] Thanks George111

Hi, Just wanted to say that I really enjoy looking at the WVMARSH website. The way Linda has it set up is easy to look at and it's the only one that I've found that I've been able to actually find anything on. Thanks to all the people who have diligently worked on posting all kinds of info to help us find ancestors. I have found this the only one that I've actually been able to find things on my ROBINSON ancestors that lived in Marshall county. The others just aren't as good. Keep up the good work LINDA. Pat Boyer Casa Grande, AZ

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FOR SALE: $900.00 IBM ThinkPad 380D Laptop computer. 150 MHz Intel Pentium CPU 12.1 " Active Matrix Display 80 Megabytes of RAM 2.1 Gigabyte Hard Drive 8X CD-ROM & 3 1/2" Floppy Drive 56 Kbs Billington Fax/Modem 3 hour battery Sound Carrying case Windows 98 Lotus Smartsuite 97 Family Origins 7.0 Family Tree Maker 5.0 Ultimate Family Tree Deluxe Other software, let me know what you want and I will load it on the computer Purchased new in May 1998 [email protected]

Hi All, I just want to thank the people who had taken the time to to type the census data and post it so that all can use it. This data helped to solve a problem concerning Edgar Wilson. Angie Bell Wilson, who married Albert Loring Dague, had a brother, Edgar Wilson. An Edgar Wilson married Laura Dague. Several Dague researchers assumed it was the same Edgar Wilson. I checked the posted census and discovered there were 2 Edgar Wilsons, both born in Sand Hill about 7 years apart. Using the census data I found the parents and grandparents of the Edgar Wilson who married Laura Dague and the grandparents of Edgar Wilson, the brother of Angie Bell Wilson Dague. Again thank you so very much for your time and effort. Sylvia

Being only a few steps above computer literate, I hadn't planned to enter this discussion. BUT I will say that my old DOS FTM was a lot less anal retentive than the confounded Windows version. No doubt I will hear from all the technogeeks(of which my son is one!), but I see the FTM files as a more readliy accessible version of what I started out doing with paper files. I pursue the venture as family history, "making the skeleton dance," as one source puts it. These are people whom I want to bring to life. Oh yeah, and BTW they do have a pedigree. Once the story is told, descendants are ready to look at the charts and outlines. Peg

I just have to put in my two cents on the programs I use. I started out using Family Tree Maker and was quite happy with it for a few years. As I learned to document and found more sources, I found that FTW's "notes" section was way too limiting and I couldn't see what was there without looking at each person's notes separately. I bought The Master Genealogist 2 years ago and love it! I can edit anything I want the way I want. I can add tags, write sentences that are exported into a file that I can write any way I want. Since I'm still getting used to the book-writing part, I found I'm more comfortable with Family Origins. It prints out beautiful modified register reports and accepts most of the family GEDCOMS I get, since so many people I know use FOW. I have had no desire to obtain one of the upgrades of FTW at all. The books it produces is alright, but nothing to stand up and cheer about. I don't find any need for the SSDI Broderbund offers, either. I like my programs and being able to use them in tandem gets me the best of everything I want. Just my humble opinion... Kay

Gail: I love Ancestral Quest. Version 3.0 will be coming out, standard edition upgrade is $29.95. I think the original pkg is $40, the same as PAF. I dislike FTM intensly and had multiple problems with PAF being a dos program. It fought with my Win 95! AQ does all that PAF does & more, very easy to manuever around in and edit. I'm' still trying to figure out how to make custom files to e mail (as Linda Fluharty will attest to!) but gedcoms are much the same as any other. It's compatable with other ged com programs. Their # 1-800-825-8864 and I imagine anyone will be able to order the new 3.0 after the middle of March. Don ordered mine the other day. They also have a AQ CD Suite which includes "the Centennia Genealogy Edition, Hammond Complete Maps of the World and the AniMap Plus demo. I got it the last time and wouldn't do it again.....the demo is interesting tho. It's about $15 more than the standard edition. I don't have stock in the company!! Judy Warth

Jim, As usual, I enjoyed reading your comments. I too submitted incorrect data to the early CDs.....and it led to meeting others who helped me correct the data. When Family Tree Maker was managed from Novato, Ca, which is about 30 minutes from me, I visited them. I lobbied to get them to add a conspicuous block in their software that would label assumptions as assumptions and a block to show the source of data believed to be factual. Also, to allow trees to be updated and old CDs with incorrect data to be retired. Obviously, I was ignored on these points. One of the things I like alot about the "Virtual" Gen. Society is the honesty of the members. It makes it very easy to correct mistakes I have in my files and to share data with everyone. GOOD PEOPLE,these Marshall County folk! Fred Bice

Hi, my name is Errin Cain and I have been a member of the list since the beginning. I have been pretty content to view the postings of others since most of my prominent lines only passed through Marshall County on the way to Wetzel. Now I have an interesting but sad story that I would love to know more about. I am hoping that someone out there has some information. My gggrandfather was E. E.(Elsworth Elias) Carson. He was born in Wetzel county where he married Minnie Pogue. At some point, the family came to McMechen --- for work I think. At first, Elsworth was employed by the Benwood Junction shops of the railroad. When David RUST was killed there in 1902, he decided to change jobs and told people it was because he thought the job was dangerous and he feared that he might also be killed. On October 17, 1902, he began work for the new Riverside blast furnace company. On October 19, 1902, there was an explosion at the Riverside plant that killed many workers. Elsworth Carson was one of them. I have a copy of the Wheeling Intelligencer from October 20, 1902 that contains information about the accident. There were 8 men seriously injured and several of them died shortly afterwards. These men were working on a scaffold in the engine room erecting a partition when a twelve inch steam pipe burst. The blast hurled the men across the room, destroying the scaffold and the partition and filling the room with a cloud of scalding steam. It is said that the explosion could be heard all through that section of town. Here is a list of those injured as printed in the Intelligencer. Arthur HALFPENNY, of Benwood William ANDERSON of Benwood Frank BARTURI of Benwood Samuel BRADY of Virginia but boarding in Benwood Harry WESTENHAFER of Benwood William JONES of Forty third Street C.E. CARSON of McMechen ---- (actually EE Carson) Michael BURKE of Parkersburg boarding in McMechen William H. Jones died later that evening and is buried in Mt. Rose cemetary. He was born 1854. The article said he left a wife and three grown children. Michael Burke, pulled my gggrandfather from the building while he was making his escape. Unfortunately, EE Carson died later that evening and is buried in McMechen Cemetary. In the paper, it says that Elsworth was a member of the A. O. U. W. and the Modern Woodsmen of America. Does anyone know what these organizations are? I would thank anyone who has any information to share on this horrible tragedy. Errin Cain

Hi Bob, Regarding your questions about McCreary Cemetery and when it was read. I started with a list that probably came from Mrs Briggs, which means it was read in the late 1970's. I also had a hand drawn map with known and unmarked graves read by Earl Francis, William McWhorter and Ed McCardle in 1988. This map was updated in 1990 by Gerald plants. Then obits and courthouse records have been looked at to try and identify any unmarked graves and we have figured out who a few of them are, but there are still a number of unknows. If anyone knows of any who are buried there, in an unmarked grave, I would most certainly appreciate that information. Sylvia

Gail suggested: > Family tree maker . . . > if everyone would write or make calls to them and tell them >the cd's are to high, and that we are the ones that are doing the work, . . " and Caroline added: >I have just been thinking that the next >time FTM ask for my information (which is often), I'll quote them a price. >LDS sells the information that we turn into them to FTM. Why shouldn't we? Both great ideas. And, while we're at it, since our information is so hardly won by many hours of blood sweat and tears (vs. much easier harvesting), how about charging Parsons/Broderbund, on a per name basis. Say $5.00 per name. . . . Let's see, Fred B. has 30,000 plus names @ $5.00 per name . . . Could make for a nice retirement. KC Kim Chambers UConn, Storrs Researching: CHAMBERS, CROW, WILLIAMS, CAMPBELL, STANDIFORD, OGLE, DORSEY, WELLMAN, TERRELL, MERRILL, LANDER, WIANT

As someone else said, and maybe I paraphrase too generally, we use what we're familiar with, what works for us. Personally, I HATE upgrades, what with the bugs in the initial upgrade releases, etc. I began with old DOS software from LDS years ago. Then, I wanted something compatible with Windows 3.1, then came Windows 5.0, and on and on it goes. But, for now, I'm satisifed to stick with what I have, even if it doesn't do everything I wish it could. I am grateful that some libraries provides several CDs of data files from several sources. It doesn't surprise me that as genealogy continues to grow exponentially as a hobby that more software and reprints and CDs flood the market, some of it with MY errors from early files. (Sorry about that). Still, I am not worried about Broderbund's or anyone else's patents, copyrights, or disclaimers. My research is MY research (as well as that of countless generous cousins) and I will publish whatever I please with it, and I will copyright that, even though some data cannot be copyrighted, only my publication of my thoughts and errors. I don't think I'm going to get an ulcer over paranoia about any software publisher's restrictions on uses of their software to collect, sort, collate, or otherwise manipulate what I produce. While I agree that there's perhaps too strong a profit motive for some publishers' uses of our collected data, I wouldn't expect it to be freely collected, indexed, and produced for me to use. They're not as bad, maybe, as some of the unprincipled types we've heard about who "steal" our data and publish it as their own, for profit sometimes. I am grateful - again - that some cousins have "found" me from my admittedly flawed files on some CDs. I do wish I had better response from some folks who provided their [also flawed] files years and years ago to the LDS folks. I'm glad to have it, but it's surely aggravating to see it, wonder where in the world they got their information, but not be able to contact them. Rant over. Back to your regularly scheduled programs... jim + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + - James Wiley, AKA [email protected]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_919906253_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This was on my Patrick County, Virginia list and I felt it was important enough to forward to our list in Marshall County. Carlisle --part0_919906253_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb05.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:00:26 -0500 Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id RAA08559; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03666; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:57:19 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:57:19 -0800 (PST) From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:47:54 EST Old-To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Genealogy scam-a message from a friend X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"cX__OB.A.k3.4WH12"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/1284 X-Loop: [email protected] To: [email protected] Precedence: list Errors-To: [email protected] Resent-Sender: [email protected] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you get an advertisement from someone by the name of Bonnie Mansfield, 430 #1 Rick Court, Ridgecrest, CA 93555, offering to sell you "never before published information" on family histories and DAR records for ONLY $25.00 - don't bite! I did and I am so angry at myself I could scream. I'm not usually one to fall for scams, but believe me I bit on this one hook, line, and sinker! What I got for my 25 bucks was 2 folders with hand written sheets giving me last names, book numbers, and in some cases page numbers. BUT, if you want to see what information is in each of those "histories" you have to send an additional $3 to a different person. Oh well, serves me right - I know better than to trust everything I hear and read. You might pass this info on to everyone you know. She got my $25, but I don't want her to get anyone elses. --part0_919906253_boundary--

Have seen a lot of discussion on the list concerning Family Origins Software. I have never used this program and know nothing about it, but has anyone tried a shareware program called Family History System?? It's WONDERFUL!! A very powerful program, does everything you could possibly want. I am not connected in any way to the program or the owner, I'm just a very satisfied user. Mary EARLE Garrison [email protected]

> I want the files to be available for free, in keeping > with my "A service, not a business..." philosophy. I have very strong > feelings about the corporations who are selling our files! > My thinking, also, Linda, but a listmember on another list asked this question: "Do you know of anyone (unknown) who is accessing the rootsweb archives, to acquire genealogical data we send to the various lists?" Now THAT'S a back-door approach very few of us have even considered; yet, there it all sits, just waiting for someone to harvest our data. I think it might be most prudent of us to transmit our info via private emails, in response to queries, to other interested searchers, rather than posting to list, where it becomes archived on Rootsweb's server. Anyone who subscribes to a list can access Rootsweb's archives, and we never know who is accessing for what purpose. Julie

Joel wrote: "Family Origins . . .is a good program and a lot better deal than the $60-70-80 one might pay for Family Tree Maker" and Gail responded: "This is good to know, but parsons and broderbund are the same people, . . . I paid 19 dollars to up grade mine from the 4.4 to 5.0." What bothers me about these products, specifically the World Family Tree cds is that WE do years of work researching our families, the Broderbund/Parsons sells our results (including many not well researched efforts) back to us! I have found family genealogical software a great way to organize & display information, but I have found as good or better actual genealogical information on FREE sites on the web. Linda's pages are a great example. Also, who is paying Linda & all the other "Rootsweb" volunteers? Broderbund/Parsons has figured out a great way to make money, but my thanks really goes to Linda and her countless rootsweb colleagues who work tirelessly for little reward, but our thanks. KC Kim Chambers UConn, Storrs Researching: CHAMBERS, CROW, WILLIAMS, CAMPBELL, STANDIFORD, OGLE, DORSEY, WELLMAN, TERRELL, MERRILL, LANDER, WIANT

Kim, AMEN!! And since Broderbund and Ancestry, Inc. were bought by Mattel in December, for $10,000,000, they have plenty of money to acquire private sources, such as the NGS Quarterly--then they patent it, put it on CD's and sell it to us at $60 a pop. They now have the resources to acquire lots of non-public records, and sell them for big bucks. Speaking of acquiring private records, what do you suppose NGS will do with all the private Bible records they are acquiring, FREE, from unsuspecting researchers such as us, when they know Broderbund/Mattel will pay for them? The handwriting is on the wall, and we will be expected to pay dearly, to get it back! Julie, IBSSG Flock Mistress, and Charter Member

I just joined the Marshall Co. listserv and want to introduce myself. I am Bob Coffield, originally from New Martinsville WV and now living in Charleston WV. I have been involved in genealogy for a number of years - mainly working on the Coffield and Yoho lines in Wetzel and Marshall Co.. I also serve as the Editor of the Yoho Newsletter and involved with the Yoho Reunion annual planning (it is set for June 19, 1999 this year at Bruce Park in New Martinsville WV). I was intrigued by the post listed below because I have been looking for a similar occurrence with the McCreary cemetery in Marshall Co. Many of my early Coffield relatives were likely buried in the cemetery and was interested in finding whether someone had written down the markers in McCreary prior to Ms. Briggs' work. I have been in contact with the McCreary Association and they are not aware of any previous surveys of the markers. Any assistance would be welcomed. I am sure that the McCreary Association would like to have a more complete list and I would be very interested. Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 5:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: New Hi, Everyone: Karen Bridgeman sent cemetery readings by Ed Rulong in 1930 of the First Street Cemetery, Moundsville. Our previous list was from Mrs. Briggs' more recent readings.... All of the differences, of which there are many, are indicated on the page by a *. Apparently this is a very old cemetery and stones were/are difficult to read. Does anyone know if people are still being buried in the First Street Cemetery? Karen also sent additional information about Brice and Leah Mace Eniex/Enochs..It has been added to her file in the Virtual Society. Just uploaded is a genealogy file from Frank B. Manning..... Descendants of John Manning (Grandfather of Benjamin of Marshall County). And, in case I didn't mention it earlier, Joel Robinson visited the Mt. Joy Cemetery last week and has provided additional information.... The new data is clearly indicated on the page. Thanks to all contributors. Linda