It's been driving me nuts for about a week now... Anyone see that program on the history channel, about the "pirates" on the Ohio River? And if so, does anyone recall the names of the two notorious brothers, whose heads eventually ended up on poles at crossroads? One was "Big-something or other," while the younger was "Little-so-and-so." Maybe if someone can solve that one for me (so I don't have to spend a weekend at the library trying to find it) I can obsess on something more worthwhile for a change. jim = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = James Wiley, AKA: [email protected]

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Hello Listers, Gary, there is a mailing list for Ship Passenger List info at: [email protected] You might get some help there by posting a query or looking at their archives of past messages. I think you might find something on the PA GENWEB about ships into Philadelphia, but I'm not sure. It's been awhile since I looked. Happy hunting, Peg in WV

What a story! If anyone responds to this, would they PLEASE do so on list, as this is a very unusual and intriguing story? I recall a story from an elderly cousin, lingering in a hospital after a bout of pneumonia, and all he worried about what the arthritis in his hands and fingers, which caused his fingers to curl tightly. He complained that his little finger on his one hand wasn't worth a damn, as he couldn't even hold berries when he went berry picking. He asked the doctors to cut the damned thing off, but they wouldn't do it. He said, and I recall him telling my dad this, "If they'd give me a sharp knife I'd do it myself, but they won't give me no knife!" We are shaped by the times and conditions in which we live, and by the people we're priviliged to get to know, if only briefly. jim Ernie Buckley wrote: > > Hello list. I've been hitting my head against the wall and I'm now > writing to you in hope that someone can help me. > > I as searching for Thomas BAYLESS (BAYLES, BAYLIS, BAYLISS) who was > born in Virginia betweem 1815 and 1822. He married Eliza HUGGINS > born 1823 in Tyler/Wetzel County and died in 1919. I don't have > their marriage date. (They are listed in the 1850 and 1860 census of > Marshall County that's why I'm writing here.) > > Their children are Jonathon b1846, Mary b1848, James b1849, Amanda > b1851, DeClifford b1852, Lunetta b1855 and Indiana b1858. > > Jonathon moved to California and I have information on him. Amanda > was my gg Grandmother. And I have just found information on > DeClifford. > > Thomas had to die before 1870. He's not in the census with Eliza. > > Grand Pap Bayless (I'm thinking Thomas' dad or grandfather) lived to > be over 100. He said one day that he was tired of living and went > out to Grape Island and slit the back of his knees and killed > himself. > > I'm looking for any informaiton on Thomas or Pap Bayless or the story > on Grape Island? Can anyone help? Or could someone tell me where > Thomas or Eliza is buried at? Anything would be helpful? > > Thanks so very much. > Grace Buckley > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = James Wiley, AKA: [email protected]

Hello list. I've been hitting my head against the wall and I'm now writing to you in hope that someone can help me. I as searching for Thomas BAYLESS (BAYLES, BAYLIS, BAYLISS) who was born in Virginia betweem 1815 and 1822. He married Eliza HUGGINS born 1823 in Tyler/Wetzel County and died in 1919. I don't have their marriage date. (They are listed in the 1850 and 1860 census of Marshall County that's why I'm writing here.) Their children are Jonathon b1846, Mary b1848, James b1849, Amanda b1851, DeClifford b1852, Lunetta b1855 and Indiana b1858. Jonathon moved to California and I have information on him. Amanda was my gg Grandmother. And I have just found information on DeClifford. Thomas had to die before 1870. He's not in the census with Eliza. Grand Pap Bayless (I'm thinking Thomas' dad or grandfather) lived to be over 100. He said one day that he was tired of living and went out to Grape Island and slit the back of his knees and killed himself. I'm looking for any informaiton on Thomas or Pap Bayless or the story on Grape Island? Can anyone help? Or could someone tell me where Thomas or Eliza is buried at? Anything would be helpful? Thanks so very much. Grace Buckley _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

Robert would you kindly contact me again.Your email keeps coming back to me. Karen

In what is now Grant County, WV east of Petersburg along Jordan Run there are 5 or 6 cemeteries. There are no Churches shown on my map, just cemetery's. Would anyone have any listing for any of them? Sorry I have no names.They all appear to be on the west side of the Run in Monongahelia Forest. bob e

... among us. I know he didn't send it intentionally, probably didn't even know he's infected, but I got a virus from a list member here. That is, it was sent to me, but I didn't open "happy99.exe" and don't you, either. It's getting around. I got it twice today, so far, from two different lists, and neither of the guys were aware it was on his system. Not a scare tactic, just a warning that you've heard about it, and now it's here. Just take normal precautions as you read your mail, and don't open any EXE files you weren't expecting, OK? Now back to your regularly scheduled program... jim -- + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + - James Wiley, AKA [email protected]

----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bauer <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 18:52 Subject: Re: Martin surname in Marshall County WVA, 1850's-1900 > Hello Sassydog, > We received your query about MELINDA/BELINDA MARTIN. Our MARY > MARGARET MARTIN b. Nov 1861 WV d. 7 Nov 1924 WV, according to census > records, married FREDERICK J. BAUER b. April 1855 d. 9 May 1918. > They had 9 children and were a Catholic family. Children were FRANK J > b. 1879 d. ? alive 1954. JOHN J. b. Aug 1881, d. 19 Feb 1906 of TB at > 25 yrs; MAE (MARY?) b. Dec 1883 d. after 1950; SUSAN E. b. Sep > 1885 d. unk; GERTRUDE b. 20 Oct 1887 d. 26 Nov 1900 (13 yrs. 1 mon); > FREDERICK, Jr b. 1890 d. 19 July 1897, 7 years old. (Place of burial > on FRED JR. was found in Cemetary book in Moundsville Public Library, > WV, Marshall Co. See below). CARL THEODORE b. 18 Dec 1891 d. 3 Dec > 1955, Mt Airy Hosp, Wash. DC. He was Baptized 1892 at St. Francis > Xavier Catholic Church, Moundsville, WV, I believe (this from > handwritten notes taken by me at church several years back) in > Moundsville, WV; HERBERT A. b. 31 Dec 1893, Baptized 14 Jan 1894, d. ? > 1933, Wash. DC; GEORGE LEO b. 19 July 1898, Baptized 28 July 1898, St > Francis Xavier, Moundsville, WV d. before 1984? > Some of this family is buried in Mt Rose Cemetery, near the > Fostoria Plant, Moundsville, WV: Mary M., Fred Sr., & Jr., Gertrude, > Sue E., and John J. We have been told by family that MARY MARGARET > (MARTIN) was an orphan raised by an Uncle in Pittsburgh, PA. Would > love to have a connection for her. Please let us have anything that > may be a lead. Betty >

The LDS has their web site on line. The address is www.familysearch.org. Kay

Julie, AMEN! The sad thing is is that it's already started. I heard a couple weeks ago about the BIG mistake someone made at the University of Michigan hospital. Someone posted ALL the medical records online. Big oops there! It was caught quickly, according to the news, but the actual time frame was never discussed. Also, a friend of my husband's lost his credit to someone who found it. Jim is in debt to the tune of $80,000 and climbing. The FBI is involved and know who the man is that's doing this. But who knows how long it will take poor Jim and his wife to get everything squared away! Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking! Kay

Edward E. Martin Jr. wrote: > > What we don't do > is put names in the charts. We leave the names spaces blank. Ed, I think we may be related. There's that strange, quirky gene that shows up on our family's DNA strands too, characterized by a deliciously ornery sense of humor. I have to admit, the guy makes a lot of sense. Which tells you more about me than him, if he was only kidding. Now, taking Ed's propsal to the next logical step here, we develop an alpha-numerical code for names, based on the World War II unbreakable code, written in Navajo. Linda and Carlisle and Vernon and a few more trusted Marshco folks hold the cipher keys, and we get volunteers to re-edit all the information on the site, using the new alpha-numerical codes instead of names. (Everyone has to edit their own databases, however, changing the names to numbers, etc. To those whose dues are up to date, we provide a simple macro which handles the changes automatically, if you can speak Navajo.) Then, we... (where you getting this "we" stuff, Jim-Bob?) we SELL the code to FTM, LDS, CIA, whatever. As soon as THEY publish a new CD, we CHANGE the code! The we resell the key, etc., etc., etc. We could call ourselves, say, BroaderBurn Publishing, or something, a division of MarshCo, a wholly owned subsidiary of WVMARSHA, now selling at 19 5/8 on the NASDAC, so get in early, before we split three for one. Sorry, gotta go now. It's time for my medicine... jim = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = James Wiley, AKA: [email protected]

For all of you DeHart researchers out there, I received two separate e-mails today, from DeHart researchers. They found me because of the Marshall County web page and my file on William Yoho & Rebecca DeHart. The DeHart family has a web page. You can visit this page at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/5612/dehart.html One of the researchers, Louise Morton, sent me additional information on Rebecca DeHart's parents. I did not find this information on the DeHart web page. You can e-mail Louise at [email protected] Vernon Anderson

Thank You Ed... I needed your response to help my stress. Linda runs a wonderful site. I look forward to this list every day. Maybe I'll find a living relative or a dead one listed. All I can do is hope. Barb (Az) (- Anderson, Ault, Miller, Mobley)

Clever. Convoluted, but...clever. The problem is, you missed the point, entirely. Identity theft is a burgeoning problem. Do you want to be responsible for making it possible for a crook to assume your son's or daughter's (or, brother's/sister's/cousins'/far-flung kin's) identity? To set up credit card/bank accounts in their name, then ruin their credit? Yes, privacy may be in steadily diminishing supply. The kick may be inevitable, but we do not have to bend over and invite it, willingly. And we certainly have no right to place the privacy of others in jeopardy without their prior written consent. Julie Hesson [email protected] Edward E. Martin Jr. wrote: For anyone who participates in this fascinating hobby called > Genealogy, privacy is an oxymoron.

Checked the obits from my hometown of Butler PA recently. What a mecca for those who break and enter! Even the online edition lists the street address for local deceased. Come on in and rob the place while the family is at the funeral home. AARGH. Peg

Hi Everyone, I've been watching the debate (?) about the privacy issue of people born after 1920 - or before 1920 for that matter. I don't pretend to know all the answers to all of your concerns, but there are some observations that I would like to make - or suggestions - whichever you might feel comfortable with. For anyone who participates in this fascinating hobby called Genealogy, privacy is an oxymoron. For starters, how could I send this message without "anyone" knowing where or who it came from? I mean, if I wanted to ask who aunt Mary Smith married, why do people need to know who wants to know? Someone could respond with , "Aunt Mary Smith married John Bramble Bush, but I can't tell you when or where because Aunt Mary is only 75 years old and we wouldn't want to invade her privacy." No need to add that Aunt Mary had 5 children by John, 2 each by her second and third husband and is currently available for matrimonial purposes again. John Bramble Bush expired some years ago. Newspaper article says he got drunk and fell down a couple flights of stairs at a local bordello. Can't say when or where, some of his children are still living as far as we know. Last known to be in Australia or something like that. I'm sorry I can't do much more for you. I can ask Aunt Mary for more details. She surely would be more forthcoming with information having the comfort of knowing the information will not be relayed to you or anyone else until after her funeral. Yeah right!!! I received my weekly copy of the Wetzel Chronicle today. As usual there is a full compliment of Obituaries from recent deaths of people in or in some way associated with Wetzel County, WV. I noticed right off something was wrong here. For some who had expired, it gave their parents names. Some parents were still living. For some it listed their survivors - almost all of them were living! And God Forbid, for some it gave their maiden names!! That's a shame. I know some of these women fully intended to keep her family name a secret from those without a need to know. The Society Page was not much better. People were announcing their Golden Anniversaries and such and there it was in black and white - their wedding date. For shame. And it sure is not setting a good example for the younger crowd. There are some of them brazen enough to publicly announce an impending marriage. And even listing their PARENTS in detail. All eight of them!!! I noticed that some of the younger parents announcing births were being more careful though. They were both using their maiden names. Sometimes the child received the surname of the father and sometimes the surname of the mother. Good idea. Keeps the public guessing doesn't it? You'll never guess what there was in the personals. Not fit to repeat here!! You know, I'm really starting to worry about what you might find on the new web site of the Latter Day Saints. Rumor has it that they have microfilmed Wetzel County - and others - Courthouse records. Can you imagine what will happen if these records can be viewed on the computer from your home without subjecting yourself to the abuse of some County Clerks and her staff? You'll be able to tell if it happens and you just happen to be in the vicinity of the courthouse. That woman standing out on the courthouse steps - (in the rain) - pumping her fist in the air and shouting YES!! YES!! YES!! is a County Clerk. Another somewhat obscure issue is the Phone Book. Talk about an invasion of privacy. I can think of at least two solutions- and not necessarily in this order. One: just put my name and withhold my number. Anyone I want to talk to probably already knows my number. As a matter of fact, a lot of people tell me they have my number already. How often do you get calls from people you don't know anyway. Secondly, the could put my number in the book and delete my name. Now that would wreck havoc with the telemarketers wouldn't it??? I'm sure it would delete a hell of a lot of crank calls. I mean, I get plenty of wrong numbers now. What would it hurt?? A possible third option, and one that I feel would receive no consideration anyway, would be to delete the address after your name. That would save at least a third of the printing cost of the books. Ma Bell would pass the savings down to us I'm sure. :-) After all, if you are going to call, what do you care where the call is going as long as the party you desire is on the other end of the line? Doesn't it make you feel silly when you are talking to someone and see that the address in just across the street anyway? The ultimate privacy would be to just put your address in the book - no phone number and no names. A BEWARE OF DOG sign on the door completes the package. Worrying about how I would ever complete my family tree if people stop publishing information about those who are still living makes me very nervous and irritable. Just this afternoon my wife ordered me out of the house until I quit grumbling about the possibilities. So while I was cooling my heels in the yard, I came to this conclusion. I should have suspected this early on. Some of these people I've met - well not actually face to face but in cyber land- have been people who like myself are collecting whatever tid bit they could about whomever, just as long as it filled a data base. Sure some of these people had a somewhat faint connection to your family, but not close enough to break bread with every other weekend. Some exchange of information was the usual game. Sometimes I found people who appeared to have so many collateral lines that it was just mind boggling. One day I realized that those people couldn't possibly have that many relatives-no way Hose!!! What it was was data base!!!! Then I got to paying real close attention to what their own family- I mean "close family"- material consisted of. Looked kinda skimpy sometimes. A couple I noticed were asking or hinting for me to submit more of my personal information. I came to the conclusion that if they couldn't tell me their birthday they sure as hell wouldn't get mine!!! After all, I shouldn't really be expected to actually confide in my "cousins". They in me, of course. Me in them, forget it!! Just now found an obituary for a fellow who grew up in town here. Been gone from here since he got out of high school. Mention his name and most people have no idea who it might be, except for the obvious hint- the surname. Now this poor fellow was 83 when he died in Alabama. His remains were returned here for burial. From his obituary, published in the paper, every on who comes within the purview of the paper knows what his wife's name was as well as the names and city of domicile of all his children. And guess what? Not even a public viewing. All his personal family information revealed and not even an Adios Amigo from anyone. Well, I'm here to tell you that when you stop giving and receiving and printing all the information that compliments a family tree - the remains will no longer resemble a family tree. You may still have the foundation or stump, but that's not a pretty sight by itself. Without the branches it goes nowhere!!. All the good information will still be out there, but it will be in the data base of those whose foresight we now envy. They still have the missing links but they're not talking anymore. GAME OVER!! Time for a new game. While out in the yard, I had a wonderful vision - I do some of my best work under stress!! We all have so much invested in our computers and printers and publishing software that we can't quit now. So, let's keep using our equipment while slightly modifying our information. We can even keep using the same old Pedigree Charts and Family Group Sheets. We can use it all and still maintain the ultimate privacy for us all. From now on, we all record everything we have such as birth date, graduation dates, wedding dates, children's birth dates and places of birth, grandchildren's dates and places, etc, etc, etc,. What we don't do is put names in the charts. We leave the names spaces blank. God this is interesting!!! Think of the possibilities. I can send anyone a Pedigree Chart and FGS - completed - except for names - to anyone I choose and without the worry of offending anyone. How sweet it is!!! No such worry about any blank spaces - just pick a date or place at random. Who would be the wiser?? Look at the time and effort it will save by limiting my courthouse time. Not to mention the solitude at the library. With my newly found spare time I could golf or something - I am a male. Females who desired, could find time for housework again. Great Scott, the possibilities are endless!!! Now before you all become ecstatic, there probably would be some casualties in the movement. The people who publish lists on the web are probably in for a slow down in business. Hard times are in store for them. You can't exactly expect for them to be happy about this. Mark my word!!! Now before our sublime hobby changes it's posture, I want to take this final opportunity to declare to the world, once and for all to see, John Herschel Glenn Jr. and I - yeah I mean the ex-Senator and Astronaut -are 5th cousins - only he doesn't know it yet!!! And we are both still living!! Take that and smoke it!!!!! Yours truly, Ed.

Now that is what genealogy is all about--CARING--SHARING--and HELPING others!! Thank You Jim Morris for an excellent job on the 1900 Marshall Marriages. I really, as well as many others, appreciate your quick, concise and concerted effort in replying to Linda's request for volunteers to do the marriages to 1920. I know Vernon Anderson, another excellent researcher and valuable GIVER is helping with the effort. And thanks to Linda for getting them uploaded so quickly! Does Our Beautiful Linda Fluharty EVER SLEEP????? Carlisle Bowling [email protected]

...and knowing that, and being the devious person I am, I figure I'm not required to tell them the truth, just to give them any old name I care to, as long as I rmember what I told them when I need to access my account /information, such as complaining about a charge, etc. (I.e., you don't gotta tell the truth, just pick a name, any name, to use. But don't use Esmerelda. That's my password. jim Kay Mason wrote: > > I've found that a mother's maiden name, usually supplied on a credit > card application, is requested when inquiring about card information, > such as balances and activity. > I wish there were another way, too, like a PIN number. > Kay -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = James Wiley, AKA: [email protected]

Hi to Everyone: I am not too wild about having to share info on all the living individuals who are in my files on the web page. I could be inundated with requests for information. I would have to send it to each individual. What a pain in my neck. That is one of the major reasons I put the files up on the page. So I would not have to send the same info to many individuals. I thought I could tell people to go to the web page and get the info for themselves. That puts some of the responsibility on the person who wants the info. It is very easy to send an e-mail saying, "Send me everything you have." I never reply to those requests. With all the fear of our personal information getting into the wrong hands, how can I share what I have with others. Most of these people I have never met. Hell they could be child molesters, robbers, etc, etc. I know this is doubtful but with all the hysteria??? And we also know that everyone we share with also shares that info with many others. Once you give info to someone else it ceases to be yours. It now belongs to someone else. This is a tough issue and I am not trying to make fun of those who are concerned about it. It is a real serious issue. I think my position on all this will be that I will not share information, on living individuals, with anyone, period!!!! That is the only way I know of to keep myself out of hot water with everyone else. I may even take the position that I do not want any information, from anyone else, on living individuals. I may also stop recording any information on living individuals. Why bother. The last thing I want to do is cause someone else a lot of grief because their personal information is on the internet!!!!!! T. Vernon Anderson [email protected]