Gracie, Barbara's husband was James Vance, ~Sr.~, b. ca 1795. I haven't found that James' middle name was Howard. It's logical that it might be because it was his mother's maiden name...but I've never seen it in writing anyplace except in other's data without documentation. James and Barbara named their 1st born Michael....probably after her father. I've seen no documented proof of that, either. Their first daughter was named Susanne after James' mother. James & Barbara's last-born child, a son named Thomas Jefferson Vance, was born 6 Oct 1841 in Jackson Co., OH. He was called "Col. John" in the 1850 Boone Co., VA census. He must have looked like his uncle or mimicked him. I descend from the James & Barbara's 5th child Marcena or Marsena, b. 1828 in (W)VA. She was later called Marcella but I don't know if that was really her name. a list of the Vance kids has turned up in the KS-MO-OK area with descendants of Thomas J. It has the children who were already married and out of the home by the 1850 census. Kansas is where James and Barbara died.... arriving there separately because they were divorced in 1858. I am making a descendants' chart right now...descendants only....and I'll send it next. Carole

I have done considerable research into the Workman families of our area of southern WV. The following is from an introduction to my own unpublished personal history: "Joseph Workman is believed to be the main ancestor of the early Workman families of southern West Virginia. Three of his sons first came to the Island, which is now a part of present-day Logan city, and eventually settled in surrounding areas of southern (West) Virginia. Joseph and James, sons of Joseph and Phoebe Workman, are credited as being the first white settlers in the area now known as Boone County.1 They took up the land for many miles along the Big Coal River, the major river in the area. As their children grew up, they settled on the different little streams and tributaries of the Coal until the entire country from below what is now Van, West Virginia, to the headwaters at Bald Knob on both sides of the river was owned by Workmans and their descendants. Jacob, the third son, settled primarily in what is now Wayne County, West Virginia. Others of Joseph’s and Phoebe’s family remained near their parents in the Burke’s Garden area of Tazewell County." This is an extremely interesting family as they first moved from Scotland to Holland then back to England before coming to New York state. Since my objectives were quite specific, being limited to my own family interests, my work needs to be expanded to include the recent generations. I am willing to share what I have with those who would be interested in a Workman research project similar to what has been underway for the Tolers. Let me see a show of hands. STAN On Wednesday, May 10, 2006, at 06:03 PM, SGates1949@aol.com wrote: > The Boone County history book (quite large and expensive, put out by > the > BCGS) says that the first white settlers were Kinder, Workman and > Barker, from > the Newport area of what is still Giles County, VA! In Lick Creek, > near what > is now Ashford is supposedly the site of their farms. > > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Oh, goodness. My mother descends from the Branhams of Virginia. This means my Indiana-born mother and West Virginia-born father who met in Georgia were probably related. I'd like to obtain a copy of the book. Is everyone aware of the web site for BooksWeOwn? It's a volunteer site and the set up procedure is a bit intricate and hard to follow through the legalese, but thorough. I've found the volunteers and the response time are quick and complete. Sue in Tampa At 08:41 AM 5/10/06 -0400, you wrote: >A few years back, a lady named Shelby Fleming Phillips wrote a book on the >Baisdens.Price was $40., and worth every penny.About 200 pages of The >Baisdens & >Allied familys. It includes people up to 1930. So I have all my moms people >and my dads ( James Burgess book) at hand when I need them; without the worry >of computer crashes, etc.I used some for gifts. Mrs Phillips lives at >Williamson,WV.I have lost her address & phone #, but you can contact Mr. >Adkins at the >Mingo County Genalogy site for further info.The title of her book is: David >Branham And his Descendants. > >Shelby > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

For those of us who love genealogy, writing and sharing, but have never gone through the process of producing a book, I have to ask, how do you do it? What is the procedure? We have our databases, our scrapbooks and family photos. We have probably logged some family history stories told to us by our elders into the Notes section of the data base. That stuff that never makes it into data bases of the state vital records - like Joe had an affair with his next-door neighbor Tom's wife and two of her kids are by Joe. How do we handle sensitive issues other than omission or a course in diplomacy? I think my living relatives might disown me if I opened the door to the family closet. Yet, genealogically speaking - I would be lying if I put out certain segments of my database. Do you have a specific publisher you use? It's the old forest instead of the trees thing. The project seems intimidating, but only because I've never done it. I sometimes think it's a West Virginia thing, as no where else do I hear so often that no one would be interested in those old stories. I am and I love them. Those old stories are what makes my ancestors come alive. Without the stories, they are merely statistics in a book. Sue >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Cousin Jim: I attended a meeting of the Boone c. Gen. group three years ago. The speaker started off by saying all Yankee soldiers were trash. I got up & left the room. I hope they get some leaders who will do the job, instead of bad mouthing people.Lenore Ferrell and Janet Hager are ok as officers. Shelby

I forgot to add the spouses. I am still working to prove the info. I have brothers/sisters. My gr grandad Vance was a book of knowledge. He was proud to be a Vance. Thank you, Cheryl Walters Parr Dorthea Jean Bradford Lorena Maye Vance b 02 Jan 1905 Garner TX Parker CO (bet. Mineral Wells/Weatherford and now almost considered a suburb of Ft Worth TX for the growth is unbelievable.) md Robert Posten "Jack" Bradford b 04 Apr 1903 (on the Brazos River near Santo TX Palo Pinto CO) James Alexander "Jim" Vance b 14 Jun 1871 Sturgeon MO Boone CO (The family had been in Knox CO, Jefferson CO, etc but they moved to MO apparently during CW for many had land was on the Holston River in Strawberry Plains TN, but they returned aft war to TN: there were Steele, Wilmuth, Chidester, and other families that moved there also) md Nancy Ann "Tensie" Steele b Nov 8 1873 Telico Plains TN John Vance b 20 Mar 1849 Strawberry Plains (Mossie Creek) TN Jefferson CO md Mary Ann Chidester b July 11 1846 Rhaetown TN Ray CO James Vance Jr b 07 Dec 1811 TN PA IRELAND md Margaret King James Vance Sr b 05 Mar 1773 PA md Mary Kennedy b 12 Feb 1773 Patrick Vance b abt 1747 Donegal Ireland 1 Sarah Elizabeth Taylor (my line) 2 Elizabeth Houston William Kilpatrick "Patrick" Vance md Elizabeth

Rick, Is your Margaret COMPTON Kinder, from the COMPTON's of Bluestone/Bland/Tazewell, VA? From what I see on the documentation on your John Kinder I, he is from that area....so, I suspect your Margaret is, too. I do COMPTON geneaology, and this area of VA is where my line originates. I can put you into contact with a couple of COMPTON researchers of this particular line, who have researched these COMPTON's indepth, for whom might be able to help you figure out who is Margaret's parents, or at least lead you in the right direction, if you are interested? I descend from Hiram Compton (b. 1800 VA, d. 1874 KY), s/o John Compton and Elinor McGuire of VA. Hiram's first wife Jenny/Janey Shannon (b. abt. 1801 VA, d. abt. 1830 VA). Goodluck, Sandi --- rcs5@bellsouth.net wrote: > My paternal great grandmother was a Kinder. If I am > not mistaken, they lived in the Ashord area. The > cemetary is nearby at Costa. I have no idea what > year they arrived in that area. I've heard > different accounts. One would have Margaret Compton > Kinder, widow of John Kinder I, in the Marmet area > in 1790. She married a Javins the second time. > Rick Stewart > > > > From: SGates1949@aol.com > > Date: 2006/05/10 Wed PM 09:03:27 EDT > > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [WVLOGAN] Boone County first white > settlers > > > > The Boone County history book (quite large and > expensive, put out by the > > BCGS) says that the first white settlers were > Kinder, Workman and Barker, from > > the Newport area of what is still Giles County, > VA! In Lick Creek, near what > > is now Ashford is supposedly the site of their > farms. > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and > Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search > not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Those Yankee Soldiers were our great grand parents. Jim Burgess -----Original Message----- From: BurgessWV@aol.com [mailto:BurgessWV@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:45 AM To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] A few thoughts concerning writing books or booklets on Logan Co... Cousin Jim: I attended a meeting of the Boone c. Gen. group three years ago. The speaker started off by saying all Yankee soldiers were trash. I got up & left the room. I hope they get some leaders who will do the job, instead of bad mouthing people.Lenore Ferrell and Janet Hager are ok as officers. Shelby ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Dear Logan County Genealogist, Just wondering how the Logan County Genealogical Society is doing. When where do they meet? What do they have for sale? Where are the "Family History" or Logan County History rooms in Logan County? thanks Jim Burgess -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Parr [mailto:clparr@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:59 PM To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] A few thoughts concerning writing books or booklets on Logan County Families If it counts for anything, I am EXTREMELY grateful for the people who write their family history. I would have never found anything out about my daddy's mothers family if someone had not written a book for my grandmother's mother lost her husband when my grandmother was 6 mos old. My gr grandmother then moved to another state and remarried. I will probably never know who my great grandad was for I do not know his first name and I have never gotten any responses except how to look him up which is appreciated........1890.....does that explain things. I have been blessed with the detailed info on many tombstones where my many family lines have been buried for over 100 years, also. I was overwhelmed when I found a huge book about my dad's other side. I am glad to share with anyone. I need to send what I have when someone writes me which I usually do. My computer crashed and it has taken me years to get things back on and still not finished. That is a lesson in you should backup information almost daily. I have searched for the last backup and have not found the latest. I learned to never give up hope when putting a query in a newspaper or other methods for after many months after placing the request I got a call from a lady who owned the land where my great great grandparents on my gr grandmother's side and other family members were buried. They cleared the land each year and they and their five children and families plan to be buried there. I asked her to have the genealogical society to read it and it now published. So now I have another reference. I do like to share for everyone knows a different part of the family history. I do not just copy what they have written as "the word", but I then go and research and make sure it is correct. I have had some people who would not recognize that we descended from the same line for as many as 10 plus years and all of a sudden they get the connection and give me a call. I have given everything I have on each family line as someone asks especially to the younger ones who are anxious to find out info and research. I have just asked that they share with me. Most have, but some have put it on the internet as their research which is my fault for I did not put it on there first, but many have given me credit which I appreciate. I discovered that I did have many things wrong and I took it off to correct for like most of us work late at night and have had 5 back surgeries and the usual other life stuff the past 10 years plus and I admit I make mistakes, but hopefully I catch them or people will catch them for me and let me know. If we dont work together there is so much that will never be known. I would just appreciate it if someone doesnt want to share if they will just give me a county or state or name and let me go after it. It would be terrible if people did not write books and have them placed in the libraries to share. They are giving a piece of history that will be preserved forever. I am not intelligent enough to write a book although it would be fun, but I would like to have as much info as I could before making a book so would never make it possible. HA! My next project is to learn to scan...found my directions again. I hope this will help those who want to share and those who do not want to share think about how it helps others as well as themselves. My gr grandad Vance died when I was 20. He was my idol. I only wish that I had listened to his stories more and recorded them. Cheryl Walters Parr Dorthea Jean Bradford Lorena Maye Vance b 02 Jan 1905 Garner TX Parker CO (bet. Mineral Wells/Weatherford and now almost considered a suburb of Ft Worth TX for the growth is unbelievable.) James Alexander "Jim" Vance b 14 Jun 1871 Sturgeon MO Boone CO (The family had been in Knox CO, Jefferson CO, etc but they moved to MO apparently during CW for many had land was on the Holston River in Strawberry Plains TN, but they returned aft war to TN: there were Steele, Wilmuth, Chidester, and other families that moved there also) John Vance b 20 Mar 1849 Strawberry Plains (Mossie Creek) TN Jefferson CO James Vance Jr b 07 Dec 1811 TN PA IRELAND James Vance Sr b 05 Mar 1773 PA Patrick Vance b abt 1747 Donegal Ireland dkb <dkb@greenapple.com> wrote: Well Jim I offered to help write the book with guidance, never thinking of making a profit. Let's face it a book on the Vance family would never make the New York Times List. So I will kindly stick to my own book. K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgess" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: [WVLOGAN] A few thoughts concerning writing books or booklets on Logan County Families > Dear Logan County Genealogist and Family, > > We do not have to write books that are huge. We do need to write books or > "booklets" that are accurate and true! > > I have written several books and do not think I have made much money > on any thing. > > All of the money that I have received from Burgess, Mullins, Browning, > Brown and Allied families has gone to fund my family history library. > I have about 300 pretty good books in my library. > > It would be great if a new researcher could go to Logan or Wyoming or > Boone County and see several books on families of Logan County. We > have done the work. Why not share. > > We could find out if the libraries would be willing to purchase what > we do. > > Some families are huge and some are quite small. With all the records > we have from Ancestry and each other we can do a very nice job with > our records. > > One of the concerns I have is that some seem to want to hold back on their > research. We tend to send out small tidbits of information that really do > not help others. > > We should tell people where the records came from. We have the following > sources for Logan County (partial) > > All Census Records > Birth records 1853-1860 > Birth Records 1872 1900 (or what ever) > Marriage Dates > Death Dates > WWI registration records > Personal family knowledge > History of Logan County > Sigfus Olafson and Dave Turner's annotations > On line death records > Some Cemetery records > & lots of other records > > Some people seem to be better at writing than others. > Some do not have an interest. > Some would do a good job proof reading and adding information. > > Seems like we could organize our selves and do this. > > I am very concerned about the lack of interest in the 1850 Census project > in > that > we had few participants. > > I am not sure how many people we have on the list. Does any one know? > > How many people are willing to do a book? > > How many are willing to proof read a book? > > For Jim Burgess I commit to do the following: > > William Burgess and Susanna of Bedford County, Virginia > Toler Families of Southwest Virginia - Descendants of David Toler and > Susanna > > Other I am interested in or would be willing to contribute > > Descendants of Nathaniel Mullins and Margaret Peggy Wilson > Descendants of Abner Vance and Susanna Howard > James Brown and Esther Gough (which would include Brown descendants) > > The Abner Vance family is so huge that we could divide it into all of his > sons > and daughers. > > Several on the list would purchase them from others. > > I would be very willing to add information that I may have in my library. > > We need to pay attention and help others if we can. > > We could co author a book. > > I sincerely hope that several members on the list will volunteer to do > something > on atleast on of their families. > > If we know that some one is working on a family we could have those who > subscribe > to Ancestry send information to the person working on a particular family. > > We do not have to be alone in this. > > Any comments? > > thanks > Jim Burgess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gracie [mailto:g.winters@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:41 PM > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Burgess file has 725 pages Toler Family is going > to be bigger than the Burgess Family > > > Jim, I agree with you completely on more books being written. Even if > there are some mistakes, as long as it is noted that some information > might > need more research. I don't think a thing about sharing what I am sure > about > with most researchers. I figure that the more people who have the correct > information, the better. > > At one time, I set up for family home pages to print out. I don't know > if I did it wrong but when my printer program hit 10,000 pages, I shut it > off. I still don't understand why the number went that high because I only > had about 4,000 people in my files. Mayby it was going to include all the > notes which have personal e-mails included. > > Anyway, right now all my research is in computer(no burner) and on > GenCircles for safekeeping. I would love to put it in book form but really > don't know how to do that yet. Guess I should take a class or something. > I should mention something that I didn't know before. CDs only last about > ten years at the most in prime > conditions. So they need to be updated long before that. > > I also would love to find a copy of the Hager Family History book that > was written in McPherson Co., Kansas. Have not found that one yet. > Somewhere > hidden in puter is the name of the person that compiled that book. > Probably > in my e-mail program. > > I am close to figuring out exactly when my gggrandfather, George > Washington Hager, [s/o John Morgan and > Elizabeth Jane (Miller) Hager] died. (BTW, John Morgan WAS a Major, that > was not his first name.) I recently got the probate records for both > George > W. Hager and Eliza Ann (Baisden) Hager. Proof in those that his doctor was > the father in law of his son William McDaniel. I was amazed at how long > it > took to finish the probate because of the traveling judge at the time. > Over > three years for both. > > Well, enough for now. > > Gracie in Okla. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Burgess" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:56 PM > Subject: [WVLOGAN] Burgess file has 725 pages Toler Family is going to be > bigger than the Burgess Family > > >> Dear Logan County, West Virginia Genealogist and cousins, >> >> I am trying to figure out how big the Toler file is going to be. >> >> I never dreamed that I could find as many Toler Descendants of David >> Toler >> and Susanna as I did for William Burgess and Susann of Bedford County, >> Virginia. >> >> The Burgess file has approximately 725 pages. >> >> The Toler file tonight has 425 pages of information and I have not even >> begun. >> It is a little discouraging to think how many pages I am going to have on >> the Toler >> family. >> >> Nathaniel Mullins file is about 250 (not near as big as the others) >> Have not begun! >> >> William Browning and Catherine Anglin is approximately 325 - I stopped to >> work on the >> Toler Family. >> >> Abner Vance and Susanna Howard (who knows - It must be the biggest by > far) >> >> Burgess, Mullins, Browning, Brown and Allied Families was around 300 > pages. >> >> I thought it was a good book - I guess it was for 1978. >> >> Just imagine if we wrote the book today it would have over 2500 (maybe > over >> 3,000) pages of information. >> >> Hard to believe that we have had such an explosion of information since >> 1978. >> >> I believe with a lot of work there could be a 1,000 pages of information > on >> each of these >> families except for the Mullins family which was a small family all >> things >> considered! >> >> If my health holds out I would like to go back to West Virginia to >> contact >> family >> that lives there in about 5 years. >> >> I need a gate keeper to take this project before I kick off! >> >> _______ >> >> Just a thought it would be great if a lot of people on the list would >> work >> on putting >> all the descendants of their Logan County Ancestors in a book or on a web >> site or on a data >> base that could be shared with future generations! >> >> At the very least I am going to print these booklets out and donate them > to >> the libaries >> in Logan and Wyoming Counties and the Geneaogical Societies. >> >> I would like to see families that are close to my families the Perry, >> Hinchman, White, >> Hager, Walker, Cook, Blankenship, Belcher, Grimmett, Bailey, Cline, > Dempsey, >> Combs, Jarrell, Smith, Cow Creek Brownings, Robinett. The list could be a >> super list. >> >> The list could be just a big as you can make it. >> >> It is better than watching the boob tube! >> >> Should we save this information for future generations? >> What are we going to leave them? >> >> Does anyone else want to work on their families? >> >> I would like for our grand children and great grand children to return to >> Logan County >> and fine 100 books on the early families of Logan County, West Virginia. >> >> I thought the Census project was a great idea. I think this is an even >> better idea. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Jim Burgess >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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I believe the Logan County and Boone County Genealogical Societies have them for sale. Wonder why we do not hear from the Logan County Genealogical Society. The Boone County Genealogical Society has the books they have for sale on line. That is all I know. I did send them 44 free copies of Burgess, Mullins, Browning, Brown and Allied Families and have not heard back. Anyone on the list go to their meetings? I wish they were more active. Jim Burgess -----Original Message----- From: Carole Hammond [mailto:carole.hammond@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:17 AM To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] A few thoughts concerning writing books or booklets on Logan County Families Jim, Are the Sigfus Olafson and Dave Turner's annotations available online? If not, where could we find them? Carole ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

On the Miller line, I have: (1) Jacob Meuller b 1702-Margaret Miller 1705 married: 1725 Jacob Miller House (2)Jean Meuller b 1733 Pa-Barbara Mauzey abt 1737 (3)Micheal Miller b 1770 Va.- Mary Elizabeth Smith b abt 1772 Va (4)Col. John Miller bef 1793 Va- Elizabeth Mitchell (5)Elizabeth Jane Miller 1815 Va.- Major John Morgan Hager 1810 Va ========================================================= Daughter of Micheal Miller and Mary Elizabeth Smith Barbara Miller 1796- James Howard Vance Jr. ===================================== I have no children for Barbara and James H. Jr. The Jr is why I wasn't sure who his parents were. I have found very conflicting information about this. If I have some mistakes, hope someone will let me know. On the children, I really haven't looked yet as Barbara is the beginning of a side line. Sister of Col. John Miller who was my Mother's 2nd ggrandfather. The other Vance that I have in my tree program is: Alena Vance who married Joseph Dempsey, parents of Teena Ann Dempsey who married John Smith Baisden who was brother of my ggrandmother Eliza Ann (Baisden) Hager. And around we go again. G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Hammond" <carole.hammond@comcast.net> To: <WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] My Vance connection > Here are mine: > > Gen. 1: Abner Vance & Susannah Howard > 2: James Vance, b. abt 1795 & Barbara Miller > 3: Marcena (aka Marcella) Vance, b. 1828 & ? > 4: Lorena Reeves, b. 1866 & William B. Lloyd > 5: Alfred E. Lloyd, b. 1890 & Louisa Kelly > 6: Vernon K. Lloyd, b. 1911 & Mama > 7: Me > > Some people have Barbara Miller's father as Jacob Miller and others have > Michael. Did either Jacob or Michael Miller leave probate records or wills? > > How about Miller Bible records....and Vance, too? > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Here are mine: Gen. 1: Abner Vance & Susannah Howard 2: James Vance, b. abt 1795 & Barbara Miller 3: Marcena (aka Marcella) Vance, b. 1828 & ? 4: Lorena Reeves, b. 1866 & William B. Lloyd 5: Alfred E. Lloyd, b. 1890 & Louisa Kelly 6: Vernon K. Lloyd, b. 1911 & Mama 7: Me Some people have Barbara Miller's father as Jacob Miller and others have Michael. Did either Jacob or Michael Miller leave probate records or wills? How about Miller Bible records....and Vance, too?

dkb wrote: Let's face it a book on the Vance family would never make the New York Times List. Gosh, if what I have been reading about Abner Vance and family is true, someone would make a movie about it. Whew!!!!!! Blew my mind!! I was researching Barbara Miller and James Howard Vance Jr (my mother's 2nd ggrand aunt and uncle). Am wondering if anyone could tell me who James Howard's parents were, for sure. Barbara was daughter of: Micheal Miller and Mary Elizabeth Smith, if I have all this right. Who, btw, were my mom's 3rd ggrandparents. That is what my tree program tells me anyway. G

Jim, Are the Sigfus Olafson and Dave Turner's annotations available online? If not, where could we find them? Carole

Well Jim I offered to help write the book with guidance, never thinking of making a profit. Let's face it a book on the Vance family would never make the New York Times List. So I will kindly stick to my own book. K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgess" <jim@promobiz.biz> To: <WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: [WVLOGAN] A few thoughts concerning writing books or booklets on Logan County Families > Dear Logan County Genealogist and Family, > > We do not have to write books that are huge. We do need to write books or > "booklets" that are accurate and true! > > I have written several books and do not think I have made much money > on any thing. > > All of the money that I have received from Burgess, Mullins, Browning, > Brown and Allied families has gone to fund my family history library. > I have about 300 pretty good books in my library. > > It would be great if a new researcher could go to Logan or Wyoming or > Boone County and see several books on families of Logan County. We > have done the work. Why not share. > > We could find out if the libraries would be willing to purchase what > we do. > > Some families are huge and some are quite small. With all the records > we have from Ancestry and each other we can do a very nice job with > our records. > > One of the concerns I have is that some seem to want to hold back on their > research. We tend to send out small tidbits of information that really do > not help others. > > We should tell people where the records came from. We have the following > sources for Logan County (partial) > > All Census Records > Birth records 1853-1860 > Birth Records 1872 1900 (or what ever) > Marriage Dates > Death Dates > WWI registration records > Personal family knowledge > History of Logan County > Sigfus Olafson and Dave Turner's annotations > On line death records > Some Cemetery records > & lots of other records > > Some people seem to be better at writing than others. > Some do not have an interest. > Some would do a good job proof reading and adding information. > > Seems like we could organize our selves and do this. > > I am very concerned about the lack of interest in the 1850 Census project > in > that > we had few participants. > > I am not sure how many people we have on the list. Does any one know? > > How many people are willing to do a book? > > How many are willing to proof read a book? > > For Jim Burgess I commit to do the following: > > William Burgess and Susanna of Bedford County, Virginia > Toler Families of Southwest Virginia - Descendants of David Toler and > Susanna > > Other I am interested in or would be willing to contribute > > Descendants of Nathaniel Mullins and Margaret Peggy Wilson > Descendants of Abner Vance and Susanna Howard > James Brown and Esther Gough (which would include Brown descendants) > > The Abner Vance family is so huge that we could divide it into all of his > sons > and daughers. > > Several on the list would purchase them from others. > > I would be very willing to add information that I may have in my library. > > We need to pay attention and help others if we can. > > We could co author a book. > > I sincerely hope that several members on the list will volunteer to do > something > on atleast on of their families. > > If we know that some one is working on a family we could have those who > subscribe > to Ancestry send information to the person working on a particular family. > > We do not have to be alone in this. > > Any comments? > > thanks > Jim Burgess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gracie [mailto:g.winters@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:41 PM > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Burgess file has 725 pages Toler Family is going > to be bigger than the Burgess Family > > > Jim, I agree with you completely on more books being written. Even if > there are some mistakes, as long as it is noted that some information > might > need more research. I don't think a thing about sharing what I am sure > about > with most researchers. I figure that the more people who have the correct > information, the better. > > At one time, I set up for family home pages to print out. I don't know > if I did it wrong but when my printer program hit 10,000 pages, I shut it > off. I still don't understand why the number went that high because I only > had about 4,000 people in my files. Mayby it was going to include all the > notes which have personal e-mails included. > > Anyway, right now all my research is in computer(no burner) and on > GenCircles for safekeeping. I would love to put it in book form but really > don't know how to do that yet. Guess I should take a class or something. > I should mention something that I didn't know before. CDs only last about > ten years at the most in prime > conditions. So they need to be updated long before that. > > I also would love to find a copy of the Hager Family History book that > was written in McPherson Co., Kansas. Have not found that one yet. > Somewhere > hidden in puter is the name of the person that compiled that book. > Probably > in my e-mail program. > > I am close to figuring out exactly when my gggrandfather, George > Washington Hager, [s/o John Morgan and > Elizabeth Jane (Miller) Hager] died. (BTW, John Morgan WAS a Major, that > was not his first name.) I recently got the probate records for both > George > W. Hager and Eliza Ann (Baisden) Hager. Proof in those that his doctor was > the father in law of his son William McDaniel. I was amazed at how long > it > took to finish the probate because of the traveling judge at the time. > Over > three years for both. > > Well, enough for now. > > Gracie in Okla. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Burgess" <jim@promobiz.biz> > To: <WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:56 PM > Subject: [WVLOGAN] Burgess file has 725 pages Toler Family is going to be > bigger than the Burgess Family > > >> Dear Logan County, West Virginia Genealogist and cousins, >> >> I am trying to figure out how big the Toler file is going to be. >> >> I never dreamed that I could find as many Toler Descendants of David >> Toler >> and Susanna as I did for William Burgess and Susann of Bedford County, >> Virginia. >> >> The Burgess file has approximately 725 pages. >> >> The Toler file tonight has 425 pages of information and I have not even >> begun. >> It is a little discouraging to think how many pages I am going to have on >> the Toler >> family. >> >> Nathaniel Mullins file is about 250 (not near as big as the others) >> Have not begun! >> >> William Browning and Catherine Anglin is approximately 325 - I stopped to >> work on the >> Toler Family. >> >> Abner Vance and Susanna Howard (who knows - It must be the biggest by > far) >> >> Burgess, Mullins, Browning, Brown and Allied Families was around 300 > pages. >> >> I thought it was a good book - I guess it was for 1978. >> >> Just imagine if we wrote the book today it would have over 2500 (maybe > over >> 3,000) pages of information. >> >> Hard to believe that we have had such an explosion of information since >> 1978. >> >> I believe with a lot of work there could be a 1,000 pages of information > on >> each of these >> families except for the Mullins family which was a small family all >> things >> considered! >> >> If my health holds out I would like to go back to West Virginia to >> contact >> family >> that lives there in about 5 years. >> >> I need a gate keeper to take this project before I kick off! >> >> _______ >> >> Just a thought it would be great if a lot of people on the list would >> work >> on putting >> all the descendants of their Logan County Ancestors in a book or on a web >> site or on a data >> base that could be shared with future generations! >> >> At the very least I am going to print these booklets out and donate them > to >> the libaries >> in Logan and Wyoming Counties and the Geneaogical Societies. >> >> I would like to see families that are close to my families the Perry, >> Hinchman, White, >> Hager, Walker, Cook, Blankenship, Belcher, Grimmett, Bailey, Cline, > Dempsey, >> Combs, Jarrell, Smith, Cow Creek Brownings, Robinett. The list could be a >> super list. >> >> The list could be just a big as you can make it. >> >> It is better than watching the boob tube! >> >> Should we save this information for future generations? >> What are we going to leave them? >> >> Does anyone else want to work on their families? >> >> I would like for our grand children and great grand children to return to >> Logan County >> and fine 100 books on the early families of Logan County, West Virginia. >> >> I thought the Census project was a great idea. I think this is an even >> better idea. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Jim Burgess >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

My paternal great grandmother was a Kinder. If I am not mistaken, they lived in the Ashord area. The cemetary is nearby at Costa. I have no idea what year they arrived in that area. I've heard different accounts. One would have Margaret Compton Kinder, widow of John Kinder I, in the Marmet area in 1790. She married a Javins the second time. Rick Stewart > > From: SGates1949@aol.com > Date: 2006/05/10 Wed PM 09:03:27 EDT > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WVLOGAN] Boone County first white settlers > > The Boone County history book (quite large and expensive, put out by the > BCGS) says that the first white settlers were Kinder, Workman and Barker, from > the Newport area of what is still Giles County, VA! In Lick Creek, near what > is now Ashford is supposedly the site of their farms. > > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Newport is still a location in current Giles County, VA. The county seat is Pearisburg

If it counts for anything, I am EXTREMELY grateful for the people who write their family history. I would have never found anything out about my daddy's mothers family if someone had not written a book for my grandmother's mother lost her husband when my grandmother was 6 mos old. My gr grandmother then moved to another state and remarried. I will probably never know who my great grandad was for I do not know his first name and I have never gotten any responses except how to look him up which is appreciated........1890.....does that explain things. I have been blessed with the detailed info on many tombstones where my many family lines have been buried for over 100 years, also. I was overwhelmed when I found a huge book about my dad's other side. I am glad to share with anyone. I need to send what I have when someone writes me which I usually do. My computer crashed and it has taken me years to get things back on and still not finished. That is a lesson in you should backup information almost daily. I have searched for the last backup and have not found the latest. I learned to never give up hope when putting a query in a newspaper or other methods for after many months after placing the request I got a call from a lady who owned the land where my great great grandparents on my gr grandmother's side and other family members were buried. They cleared the land each year and they and their five children and families plan to be buried there. I asked her to have the genealogical society to read it and it now published. So now I have another reference. I do like to share for everyone knows a different part of the family history. I do not just copy what they have written as "the word", but I then go and research and make sure it is correct. I have had some people who would not recognize that we descended from the same line for as many as 10 plus years and all of a sudden they get the connection and give me a call. I have given everything I have on each family line as someone asks especially to the younger ones who are anxious to find out info and research. I have just asked that they share with me. Most have, but some have put it on the internet as their research which is my fault for I did not put it on there first, but many have given me credit which I appreciate. I discovered that I did have many things wrong and I took it off to correct for like most of us work late at night and have had 5 back surgeries and the usual other life stuff the past 10 years plus and I admit I make mistakes, but hopefully I catch them or people will catch them for me and let me know. If we dont work together there is so much that will never be known. I would just appreciate it if someone doesnt want to share if they will just give me a county or state or name and let me go after it. It would be terrible if people did not write books and have them placed in the libraries to share. They are giving a piece of history that will be preserved forever. I am not intelligent enough to write a book although it would be fun, but I would like to have as much info as I could before making a book so would never make it possible. HA! My next project is to learn to scan...found my directions again. I hope this will help those who want to share and those who do not want to share think about how it helps others as well as themselves. My gr grandad Vance died when I was 20. He was my idol. I only wish that I had listened to his stories more and recorded them. Cheryl Walters Parr Dorthea Jean Bradford Lorena Maye Vance b 02 Jan 1905 Garner TX Parker CO (bet. Mineral Wells/Weatherford and now almost considered a suburb of Ft Worth TX for the growth is unbelievable.) James Alexander "Jim" Vance b 14 Jun 1871 Sturgeon MO Boone CO (The family had been in Knox CO, Jefferson CO, etc but they moved to MO apparently during CW for many had land was on the Holston River in Strawberry Plains TN, but they returned aft war to TN: there were Steele, Wilmuth, Chidester, and other families that moved there also) John Vance b 20 Mar 1849 Strawberry Plains (Mossie Creek) TN Jefferson CO James Vance Jr b 07 Dec 1811 TN PA IRELAND James Vance Sr b 05 Mar 1773 PA Patrick Vance b abt 1747 Donegal Ireland dkb <dkb@greenapple.com> wrote: Well Jim I offered to help write the book with guidance, never thinking of making a profit. Let's face it a book on the Vance family would never make the New York Times List. So I will kindly stick to my own book. K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Burgess" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: [WVLOGAN] A few thoughts concerning writing books or booklets on Logan County Families > Dear Logan County Genealogist and Family, > > We do not have to write books that are huge. We do need to write books or > "booklets" that are accurate and true! > > I have written several books and do not think I have made much money > on any thing. > > All of the money that I have received from Burgess, Mullins, Browning, > Brown and Allied families has gone to fund my family history library. > I have about 300 pretty good books in my library. > > It would be great if a new researcher could go to Logan or Wyoming or > Boone County and see several books on families of Logan County. We > have done the work. Why not share. > > We could find out if the libraries would be willing to purchase what > we do. > > Some families are huge and some are quite small. With all the records > we have from Ancestry and each other we can do a very nice job with > our records. > > One of the concerns I have is that some seem to want to hold back on their > research. We tend to send out small tidbits of information that really do > not help others. > > We should tell people where the records came from. We have the following > sources for Logan County (partial) > > All Census Records > Birth records 1853-1860 > Birth Records 1872 1900 (or what ever) > Marriage Dates > Death Dates > WWI registration records > Personal family knowledge > History of Logan County > Sigfus Olafson and Dave Turner's annotations > On line death records > Some Cemetery records > & lots of other records > > Some people seem to be better at writing than others. > Some do not have an interest. > Some would do a good job proof reading and adding information. > > Seems like we could organize our selves and do this. > > I am very concerned about the lack of interest in the 1850 Census project > in > that > we had few participants. > > I am not sure how many people we have on the list. Does any one know? > > How many people are willing to do a book? > > How many are willing to proof read a book? > > For Jim Burgess I commit to do the following: > > William Burgess and Susanna of Bedford County, Virginia > Toler Families of Southwest Virginia - Descendants of David Toler and > Susanna > > Other I am interested in or would be willing to contribute > > Descendants of Nathaniel Mullins and Margaret Peggy Wilson > Descendants of Abner Vance and Susanna Howard > James Brown and Esther Gough (which would include Brown descendants) > > The Abner Vance family is so huge that we could divide it into all of his > sons > and daughers. > > Several on the list would purchase them from others. > > I would be very willing to add information that I may have in my library. > > We need to pay attention and help others if we can. > > We could co author a book. > > I sincerely hope that several members on the list will volunteer to do > something > on atleast on of their families. > > If we know that some one is working on a family we could have those who > subscribe > to Ancestry send information to the person working on a particular family. > > We do not have to be alone in this. > > Any comments? > > thanks > Jim Burgess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gracie [mailto:g.winters@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:41 PM > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Burgess file has 725 pages Toler Family is going > to be bigger than the Burgess Family > > > Jim, I agree with you completely on more books being written. Even if > there are some mistakes, as long as it is noted that some information > might > need more research. I don't think a thing about sharing what I am sure > about > with most researchers. I figure that the more people who have the correct > information, the better. > > At one time, I set up for family home pages to print out. I don't know > if I did it wrong but when my printer program hit 10,000 pages, I shut it > off. I still don't understand why the number went that high because I only > had about 4,000 people in my files. Mayby it was going to include all the > notes which have personal e-mails included. > > Anyway, right now all my research is in computer(no burner) and on > GenCircles for safekeeping. I would love to put it in book form but really > don't know how to do that yet. Guess I should take a class or something. > I should mention something that I didn't know before. CDs only last about > ten years at the most in prime > conditions. So they need to be updated long before that. > > I also would love to find a copy of the Hager Family History book that > was written in McPherson Co., Kansas. Have not found that one yet. > Somewhere > hidden in puter is the name of the person that compiled that book. > Probably > in my e-mail program. > > I am close to figuring out exactly when my gggrandfather, George > Washington Hager, [s/o John Morgan and > Elizabeth Jane (Miller) Hager] died. (BTW, John Morgan WAS a Major, that > was not his first name.) I recently got the probate records for both > George > W. Hager and Eliza Ann (Baisden) Hager. Proof in those that his doctor was > the father in law of his son William McDaniel. I was amazed at how long > it > took to finish the probate because of the traveling judge at the time. > Over > three years for both. > > Well, enough for now. > > Gracie in Okla. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Burgess" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:56 PM > Subject: [WVLOGAN] Burgess file has 725 pages Toler Family is going to be > bigger than the Burgess Family > > >> Dear Logan County, West Virginia Genealogist and cousins, >> >> I am trying to figure out how big the Toler file is going to be. >> >> I never dreamed that I could find as many Toler Descendants of David >> Toler >> and Susanna as I did for William Burgess and Susann of Bedford County, >> Virginia. >> >> The Burgess file has approximately 725 pages. >> >> The Toler file tonight has 425 pages of information and I have not even >> begun. >> It is a little discouraging to think how many pages I am going to have on >> the Toler >> family. >> >> Nathaniel Mullins file is about 250 (not near as big as the others) >> Have not begun! >> >> William Browning and Catherine Anglin is approximately 325 - I stopped to >> work on the >> Toler Family. >> >> Abner Vance and Susanna Howard (who knows - It must be the biggest by > far) >> >> Burgess, Mullins, Browning, Brown and Allied Families was around 300 > pages. >> >> I thought it was a good book - I guess it was for 1978. >> >> Just imagine if we wrote the book today it would have over 2500 (maybe > over >> 3,000) pages of information. >> >> Hard to believe that we have had such an explosion of information since >> 1978. >> >> I believe with a lot of work there could be a 1,000 pages of information > on >> each of these >> families except for the Mullins family which was a small family all >> things >> considered! >> >> If my health holds out I would like to go back to West Virginia to >> contact >> family >> that lives there in about 5 years. >> >> I need a gate keeper to take this project before I kick off! >> >> _______ >> >> Just a thought it would be great if a lot of people on the list would >> work >> on putting >> all the descendants of their Logan County Ancestors in a book or on a web >> site or on a data >> base that could be shared with future generations! >> >> At the very least I am going to print these booklets out and donate them > to >> the libaries >> in Logan and Wyoming Counties and the Geneaogical Societies. >> >> I would like to see families that are close to my families the Perry, >> Hinchman, White, >> Hager, Walker, Cook, Blankenship, Belcher, Grimmett, Bailey, Cline, > Dempsey, >> Combs, Jarrell, Smith, Cow Creek Brownings, Robinett. The list could be a >> super list. >> >> The list could be just a big as you can make it. >> >> It is better than watching the boob tube! >> >> Should we save this information for future generations? >> What are we going to leave them? >> >> Does anyone else want to work on their families? >> >> I would like for our grand children and great grand children to return to >> Logan County >> and fine 100 books on the early families of Logan County, West Virginia. >> >> I thought the Census project was a great idea. I think this is an even >> better idea. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Jim Burgess >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Newport is the old name for Danville,WV; no ways near Ashford. As for the Workmans,Kinders, Barkers being the first settlers, I cannot believe. In the history of Boone county there is no mention of them being in combat with the Indians, but the Toneys sure f ought them. The root diggers were there first (genseng).The Dempseys in Logan county dug seng too.The pretty little hollow named Dempsey Camp was named for one of their root encampments, at Blair. Shelby

I'm trying to match up some death certificates with the proper people. I know there are several on this list that know a bit about Cherry Tree Bottom. There is a death certificate for Margaret Belle Adkins who was 53 y/o who died 10/11/1918. There is nothing listed for her parents. Any one have a clue who she belongs to? Thanks! Laura