Where besides Ancestry, do I look for confederate pension records? Neither George nor Eliza show up. I even went through enough that I covered misspellings. The southern records are not suppose to be at NARA. Gracie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Hammond" <carole.hammond@comcast.net> To: <WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Virginia marriage records > Gracie, > > All three of the Civil War pension records I've seen have had some sort of > notation about the soldier's marriage, wife and children. I think they did > this so they had the soldier's word if the widow later filed for a widow's > pension. One of mine wrote his birth place and date in the margin and then > stated his birth name.... he had married and enlisted under his stepfather's > last name but was never adopted. > > I also saw one where the mother had to prove that her dead son was really > hers...he died during the war. I don't remember now if she was applying for > some sort of support or what since he supported her. They sent me that one > by mistake. Right name, wrong guy. > > Carole > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

BurgessWV@aol.com wrote: Hi Shelby...are u related to Stonewall?....I am related to him thru. the Woodson's...Blake Woodson & Julie...Denzil Woodson >Gracie; >I had nearly forgotten about George Hager being a Confederate. My late wife >Norma came out of that Lincoln county set of Hagers.She has a large pic of >Stonewall. Jackson on the wall. She would let out a rebel scream sometimes, and I >would respond with the marching song of the Yankees:" We'll hang Jeff Davis on >the sour apple tree" >Cuz; >Shelby > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > >

Joel, Thanks for the information. You are correct again. Jim Burgess -----Original Message----- From: Joel Hager [mailto:joel.hager@us.army.mil] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:25 AM To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [WVLOGAN] Lee Toler and Elizabeth Browning Jim, This is Levi and Elizabeth (Browning) Toler with sons James N. and Lightburn Toler. Levi s/o Emanuel and Sarah Jane (Vannatter) Toler. Joel -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgess [mailto:jim@promobiz.biz] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:11 AM To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WVLOGAN] Lee Toler and Elizabeth Browning Does anyone recognize this Lee Toler? 1920 Logan County, West Virginia Census Tridelphia District Dwelling 6 Lee Toler 55 Male White West Virginia Elizabeth Toler 54 Female White West Virginia James Toler 34 Male White West Virginia Light Toler 18 Male White West Virginia By the way Martin Toler was not the first Toler to die in a mining accident. there have been several. Too Bad. Jim Burgess ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

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Gracie, All three of the Civil War pension records I've seen have had some sort of notation about the soldier's marriage, wife and children. I think they did this so they had the soldier's word if the widow later filed for a widow's pension. One of mine wrote his birth place and date in the margin and then stated his birth name.... he had married and enlisted under his stepfather's last name but was never adopted. I also saw one where the mother had to prove that her dead son was really hers...he died during the war. I don't remember now if she was applying for some sort of support or what since he supported her. They sent me that one by mistake. Right name, wrong guy. Carole

Gracie, Here's a list from topozone of all places hager in WV Place County State Type Elevation* USGS Quad Lat Lon Hager Lincoln WV town/city 701 feet Hager 38.214ºN 82.087ºW Hager Cemetery Boone WV cemetery unknown Clothier 37.968ºN 81.863ºW Hager Cemetery Boone WV cemetery unknown Henlawson 37.987ºN 81.952ºW Hager Cemetery Boone WV cemetery unknown Clothier 37.988ºN 81.864ºW Hager Cemetery Boone WV cemetery unknown Clothier 37.989ºN 81.844ºW Hager Cemetery Boone WV cemetery unknown Henlawson 37.990ºN 81.934ºW Hager Cemetery Lincoln WV cemetery unknown Big Creek 38.119ºN 82.098ºW Hager Cemetery Lincoln WV cemetery unknown Griffithsville 38.131ºN 81.975ºW Hager Cemetery Lincoln WV cemetery unknown Branchland 38.167ºN 82.146ºW Hager Cemetery Mercer WV cemetery unknown Bluefield 37.314ºN 81.188ºW Hager Fork Lincoln WV stream unknown Branchland 38.168ºN 82.145ºW Hager Hollow Boone WV valley unknown Mud 38.121ºN 81.897ºW Hager School (historical) Lincoln WV school unknown Hager 38.215ºN 82.084ºW Hager Spring Putnam WV spring 590 feet Saint Albans 38.451ºN 81.778ºW Hagerman Branch Wayne WV stream unknown Webb 37.924ºN 82.427ºW Hagerman Cemetery McDowell WV cemetery unknown Bradshaw 37.316ºN 81.777ºW Hagerman School McDowell WV school unknown Bradshaw 37.304ºN 81.831ºW -----Original Message----- From: gracie [mailto:g.winters@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:54 PM To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Virginia marriage records Shelby, you are Norma were a pair, for sure. lol I have George's place of birth as Kanawha Co.(Boone Co.) which could be wrong I'll admit. (well, shoot, the 1860 census doesn't list what county my ggrandparents were born in.) And that census says John Morgan was born in Cabell Co. not Boone, or were they the same county at different times? Just can't keep up with all the name changes. His father, John Morgan, (and he was a Major), fought on the Union side. I have wondered if that may have been part of the reason my ggrandparents came out west to Ks. I have not checked to see what side Rev Philip or Andrew J. fought on. Looks to me like Aaron and Joseph F. were too young, mayby not though. My mother told me that her father, John M. Hager was born in Hagerstown, Wv(may have been 'Hager' township as we have not been able to find a Hagerstown/Hagertown.) Did find 'Hager', looks to be a wide spot in a one lane road. It does have a coffee shop? that has a phone. Gracie ----- Original Message ----- From: <BurgessWV@aol.com> To: <WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Virginia marriage records > Gracie; > I had nearly forgotten about George Hager being a Confederate. My late wife > Norma came out of that Lincoln county set of Hagers.She has a large > pic of Stonewall. Jackson on the wall. She would let out a rebel > scream sometimes, and I > would respond with the marching song of the Yankees:" We'll hang Jeff Davis on > the sour apple tree" > Cuz; > Shelby > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New > content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Shelby, you are Norma were a pair, for sure. lol I have George's place of birth as Kanawha Co.(Boone Co.) which could be wrong I'll admit. (well, shoot, the 1860 census doesn't list what county my ggrandparents were born in.) And that census says John Morgan was born in Cabell Co. not Boone, or were they the same county at different times? Just can't keep up with all the name changes. His father, John Morgan, (and he was a Major), fought on the Union side. I have wondered if that may have been part of the reason my ggrandparents came out west to Ks. I have not checked to see what side Rev Philip or Andrew J. fought on. Looks to me like Aaron and Joseph F. were too young, mayby not though. My mother told me that her father, John M. Hager was born in Hagerstown, Wv(may have been 'Hager' township as we have not been able to find a Hagerstown/Hagertown.) Did find 'Hager', looks to be a wide spot in a one lane road. It does have a coffee shop? that has a phone. Gracie ----- Original Message ----- From: <BurgessWV@aol.com> To: <WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Virginia marriage records > Gracie; > I had nearly forgotten about George Hager being a Confederate. My late wife > Norma came out of that Lincoln county set of Hagers.She has a large pic of > Stonewall. Jackson on the wall. She would let out a rebel scream sometimes, and I > would respond with the marching song of the Yankees:" We'll hang Jeff Davis on > the sour apple tree" > Cuz; > Shelby > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Gracie; I had nearly forgotten about George Hager being a Confederate. My late wife Norma came out of that Lincoln county set of Hagers.She has a large pic of Stonewall. Jackson on the wall. She would let out a rebel scream sometimes, and I would respond with the marching song of the Yankees:" We'll hang Jeff Davis on the sour apple tree" Cuz; Shelby

Hello cousin Gracie; Thats a big task ;The Logan county courthouse was burned about that time (1860) Babe Fowler salvaged a few marriages.See Logan County Home page. Probbably have to go to the Va. Archives for help. Shelby

Found a record (IGI) that said they married in Boone Co., does that make a difference? 1860 census has them married, but first child born sometime in 1861. They may have married in 1859. Another question: If I order George's civil war file, what information will be on it? Since I have not seen one, is it worth looking at? I have not found a pension record for him. I believe this is his civil war record: George W. Hager (First_Last) Regiment Name 34 Batt'n Virginia Cavalry Side Confederate Company D Soldier's Rank_In Private Soldier's Rank_Out Sergeant Alternate Name Washington/Hager Notes Film Number M382 roll 23 ----- Original Message ----- From: <BurgessWV@aol.com> To: <WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Virginia marriage records > Hello cousin Gracie; > Thats a big task ;The Logan county courthouse was burned about that time > (1860) > Babe Fowler salvaged a few marriages.See Logan County Home page. Probbably > have to go to the Va. Archives for help. > > Shelby > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi everyone Ok, I know I should have put it in favorites but didn't. What is the URL for the searchable Virginia records. I need to find the marriage license for George and Eliza Ann (Baisden) Hager. Going for DAR on Eliza's grandfather, Jean Schmidt Baisden. The marriage was probably in Logan Co., about 1860. Any suggestions about finding the record???? Gracie

> Steve Cunningham <steve@wvcivilwar.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:55:45 -0700 > From: Steve Cunningham <steve@wvcivilwar.com> > Subject: 7/13/2006 Update: 7th West Virginia Cavalry Descendants Reunion > To: 7th WV Cavalry <wv7thcav@wvcivilwar.com> > > Folks, I have received a very positive response regarding the 7th West Virginia Cavalry Descendants Reunion. Plans are moving forward for the event to be held on Saturday, October 14, 2006, at Droop Mountain Battlefield State Park in Pocahontas County, West Virginia. This is about 25 miles north of Lewisburg. My apologies to those who have tickets for the WVU Mountaineers/Syracuse football game that day. (Go Mountaineers!!!) I will try to organize some photos and info to be posted to the web site for those who cannot make it. If all goes well and there is enough interest, maybe we can consider other events in the future as well. > > Many of you have asked about local hotels. Here is a list of hotels in the Lewisburg area. Please note that the Lewisburg Hampton Inn is booked up due to a wedding party. > > Super 8 Motel, 304-647-3188 > General Lewis Inn, 304-645-2600 > Brier Inn, 304-645-7722 > Fort Savannah Inn/EconoLodge, 304-645-3055 > Minnie Manor Bed and Breakfast, 304-647-4096 > Relax Inn, 304-645-2345 > Lynn's Inn Bed and Breakfast, 304-645-2003 > > You will need to allow time (maybe 45-60 minutes?) to drive up to Droop the morning of the event. > This web site has directions and a map on how to get to Droop Mountain: > http://www.droopmountainbattlefield.com > > Here is the tentative schedule as of now. This is subject to change as plans are finalized over the next few weeks so stay tuned. > > 9:00 - 10:00 Registration near the Park office and museum area at the park > 10:00 - 11:00 Presentations by various folks > 11:00 - 1:00 Battlefield tour led by Steve Cunningham and Terry Lowry > 2:00 Reenactment of the Battle of Mill Point (a brief skirmish preceding Droop Mountain) > Late afternoon: Various demonstrations by our friends with the West Virginia Civil War Reenactors Asssociation > 7:30 Civil War Era Ball/Dance hosted by the West Virginia Reenactors Association > > A ladies tea is also being planned but I do not have a confirmed time for it yet. > > I would like to express my sincere thanks to my good friend, Kevin Skaggs, and all of his fellow reenactors of the West Virginia Reenactors Association who have graciously offered to support and participate in our reunion. > > Lastly, it looks like I am going to need some volunteers to assist me the day of the event. Off the top of my head, I will probably need help manning the registration table, some folks to take photographs during the day, and other tasks. Let me know if you would like to help in these areas and stay tuned as we identify other needs for help. > > I will be on a family vacation next week so I may be a little slower than normal responding to emails. > > Thanks again for your encouragement and support. It is greatly appreciated. I am really looking forward to meeting everyone in October. > > Thanks, > Steve Cunningham > ============================================== 7th West Virginia Cavalry http://www.wvcivilwar.com/wv7thcav/ ==============================================

Just wondering if anyone has anything on Eveline YOUNG who married Benjamin Hedford BURCHETT(b. abt 1729 - Brunswick Co. , Va ???? Gracie

Hello Max - I wish we could either marriage certificate or James' death certificate to see if his mother was on it. I am somehow related to Sarah Jarrell. Rick > > From: Cartwright1512@aol.com > Date: 2006/07/11 Tue PM 08:18:49 EDT > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] a puzzle > > I have George's son James married Nancy Browning daughter of Simeon Browning > and Mary Christian as his first wife and Sarah White daughter of Benjamin > White and Sarah Jarrell. James and Nancy Smith had a daughter Martha Smith born > December 1853 married to James Ervin Browning son of Solomon Browning and > Louisa White. My grandfather Robert Charles Browning was my grandfather. > > I would like to see the Smith sorted out. > > Max Cartwright > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Thanks, Joel. I found that marriage for a George Smith along with other marriages for George Smiths. Rick > > From: "Joel Hager" <joel.hager@us.army.mil> > Date: 2006/07/11 Tue PM 06:57:40 EDT > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [WVLOGAN] a puzzle > > Rick, > > I have a George Smith m. Peggy Keffer d/o Jacob and Margaret (Fizer) Keffer > 10 Oct 1821 in Giles County, Virginia. Logan County in part formed from > Giles County. I do not believe this is the same George Smith at this time. > > Joel > > -----Original Message----- > From: rcs5@bellsouth.net [mailto:rcs5@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:16 PM > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WVLOGAN] a puzzle > > I have been trying to research my gggg grandfather George Smith. He was in > Logan Co. prior to 1830. I do not know where he came from originally nor do > I know his parents or wife. > > In 1850 George's wife is not listed on the census. Also, someone said that > they have a marriage certificate for one of his children that does not list > her mother's name. I have to wonder what happened to her? I descend > through their son William Smith. > > I am posting what is on the 1850 census for George Smith: > > Dwelling # 283 George Smith 44 M Farmer $115 VA George Smith 20 M VA James > Smith 18 M VA Lucy Smith 14 F VA Louisa Smith 13 F VA Sarah J. Smith 12 F VA > > > My William Smith had already married Rhoda Toler by 1850. So the known > children of George Sr. are William, George, James, Lucy, Louisa, and Sarah > J. > > Are any of you descended from one of the above children? If so, do you have > any documents with the parents' names listed - looking for the mystery wife. > > My thanks. Rick > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

I have George's son James married Nancy Browning daughter of Simeon Browning and Mary Christian as his first wife and Sarah White daughter of Benjamin White and Sarah Jarrell. James and Nancy Smith had a daughter Martha Smith born December 1853 married to James Ervin Browning son of Solomon Browning and Louisa White. My grandfather Robert Charles Browning was my grandfather. I would like to see the Smith sorted out. Max Cartwright

1850 Boone census 307 Ezekiel Smith 30 S, George & Nancy Smith d 1874 Rebecca " 30 D. James & Polly Dotson Amanda " 10 M. Riland,s. Joseph & Dicy McNeely George W. " 7 M. Nancy C., d. William & Sarah Moore Evaline " 5 And. Jackson " 3 M. Adeline, d.Gordon & Polly Hill Mary Ann " 2 Single, d. 1867 No mention of who Nancy Smiths parents are in this census; but I have seen it as Browning somewhere. Hope this helps a bit. Some of the Smiths were coal miners from Scotland who moved to Boone County in the 1800s. They lived in the Peytona area. Cuz; Shelby

Rick, I have a George Smith m. Peggy Keffer d/o Jacob and Margaret (Fizer) Keffer 10 Oct 1821 in Giles County, Virginia. Logan County in part formed from Giles County. I do not believe this is the same George Smith at this time. Joel -----Original Message----- From: rcs5@bellsouth.net [mailto:rcs5@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:16 PM To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WVLOGAN] a puzzle I have been trying to research my gggg grandfather George Smith. He was in Logan Co. prior to 1830. I do not know where he came from originally nor do I know his parents or wife. In 1850 George's wife is not listed on the census. Also, someone said that they have a marriage certificate for one of his children that does not list her mother's name. I have to wonder what happened to her? I descend through their son William Smith. I am posting what is on the 1850 census for George Smith: Dwelling # 283 George Smith 44 M Farmer $115 VA George Smith 20 M VA James Smith 18 M VA Lucy Smith 14 F VA Louisa Smith 13 F VA Sarah J. Smith 12 F VA My William Smith had already married Rhoda Toler by 1850. So the known children of George Sr. are William, George, James, Lucy, Louisa, and Sarah J. Are any of you descended from one of the above children? If so, do you have any documents with the parents' names listed - looking for the mystery wife. My thanks. Rick ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Rick, Sarah Jane is my GGGrandmother. She is listed just with her Father's name. Laura -----Original Message----- From: rcs5@bellsouth.net [mailto:rcs5@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:16 PM To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WVLOGAN] a puzzle I have been trying to research my gggg grandfather George Smith. He was in Logan Co. prior to 1830. I do not know where he came from originally nor do I know his parents or wife. In 1850 George's wife is not listed on the census. Also, someone said that they have a marriage certificate for one of his children that does not list her mother's name. I have to wonder what happened to her? I descend through their son William Smith. I am posting what is on the 1850 census for George Smith: Dwelling # 283 George Smith 44 M Farmer $115 VA George Smith 20 M VA James Smith 18 M VA Lucy Smith 14 F VA Louisa Smith 13 F VA Sarah J. Smith 12 F VA My William Smith had already married Rhoda Toler by 1850. So the known children of George Sr. are William, George, James, Lucy, Louisa, and Sarah J. Are any of you descended from one of the above children? If so, do you have any documents with the parents' names listed - looking for the mystery wife. My thanks. Rick ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Aaaah those Smiths is right, Cousin Shelby. What year was there a George Smith in Boone Co. He could be the older George's son George. Rick > > From: BurgessWV@aol.com > Date: 2006/07/11 Tue PM 05:38:11 EDT > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] a puzzle > > George Smith is listed in the Boone census as the husband of Nancy Browning I > believe; so that complicates matters worse for researchers.Aaaah, those > Smiths ! > Cousin > Shelby > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >