You are right, Max; I had forgotten about the bullit mold incident. So it was self defense ! Shelby

Ternnesee Browning Hager was the dau of Francis Browning. A creek is named for Francis on Harts creek, near Twelve pole cr. They are changing the names of all the pretty little hollows & creeks in WV.I dont like that a bit. I thought the postal zip codes were to be used for mail delivery Those names were part of our heritage, and should be left alone. Shelby

BurgessWV@aol.com wrote: BNi & tks for replying.........The Tennessee Browing u mention, is this Tennessee Vance who was married to Amos Browning?.......My grandma lived on 12 pole crk. at Poor Branch and my uncle Kelly lived across the creek and my uncle Richard lived 2 bridges down the road toward Wilsondale......My grandma Workman, her & my mother are across the road from where my grandma's house was and I was just there last week.,,,,,,,Denzil >Hi Denzil; >That Hager road sign you saw was in honor of the Okey Hager homeplace, at >Breeden. Okey had another brother on the East Fork of Twelve pole(Charlie) >Okey was my late wife Norma's grandfather.Okey & his wife(Tennesee Browning), >are buried at the homeplace. Me & my kids visit the graves often. I knew some >of the Twelve Pole creek folks, but not all of them > >Shelby > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > >

What you said is true, Sue. I am not sure if the same trait that causes addictive behavior causes violence though. There have been many studies on this subject in our violent times of the last 30 years. I need to do a little research. Rick > > From: suebod <suebod@tampabay.rr.com> > Date: 2006/08/01 Tue AM 01:23:42 EDT > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WVLOGAN] Violence; An Inherited Trait ? OTS > > I forgot - this is Rick's field. He can give a much better answer. Sue > > At 10:42 PM 7/31/06 -0400, you wrote: > >Hello Shelby - I believe it can be inheirited. Some studies suggest that > >- but a major factor is the environment raised in as well. It's been > >shown through MRIs and other tests that the brains in abused children do > >not develop is some areas. I'll look around for articles - seems to me > >that there is some identifier in the body of violence prone people. Rick > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

SHELBY ED DID NOT STRIKE THE FIRST BLOW HE WAS HIT OVER THE EYE WITH A BULLET MOLD. IT CLOSED HIS EYE. MAX -----Original Message----- From: BurgessWV@aol.com To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Violence; An Inherited Trait ? OTS Debbie: Im not knocking religeon, but I have known mininster,s kids who became irresponsible when reaching maturity. Perhaps they were just being good kids to save their parents from embarrasment. I think there is a bad trait there, just waiting to be "triggered". Oh, I almost forgot the Osborns; but in grandpa's Ed's case, I berlieve he murdered in defense of his farm & slaves, which would have wiped him out.Much like the millionairs who jumped off tall buildings in the great depression in 1929. Shelby ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

Hi Denzil; That Hager road sign you saw was in honor of the Okey Hager homeplace, at Breeden. Okey had another brother on the East Fork of Twelve pole(Charlie) Okey was my late wife Norma's grandfather.Okey & his wife(Tennesee Browning), are buried at the homeplace. Me & my kids visit the graves often. I knew some of the Twelve Pole creek folks, but not all of them Shelby

BurgessWV@aol.com wrote: Hi Shelby........I just came through Breeden this past thursday evening and seen a Hager rd sign.....Is this part of ur family?.........My aunt[ workman] was a Baisden before she married by uncle Hamilton workman who's mother was a Georgia Vance who married my grandpa, Warning Workman.....Denzil >Debbie: >Im not knocking religeon, but I have known mininster,s kids who became >irresponsible when reaching maturity. Perhaps they were just being good kids to save >their parents from embarrasment. I think there is a bad trait there, just >waiting to be "triggered". >Oh, I almost forgot the Osborns; but in grandpa's Ed's case, I berlieve he >murdered in defense of his farm & slaves, which would have wiped him out.Much >like the millionairs who jumped off tall buildings in the great depression in >1929. > >Shelby > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > >

Debbie: Im not knocking religeon, but I have known mininster,s kids who became irresponsible when reaching maturity. Perhaps they were just being good kids to save their parents from embarrasment. I think there is a bad trait there, just waiting to be "triggered". Oh, I almost forgot the Osborns; but in grandpa's Ed's case, I berlieve he murdered in defense of his farm & slaves, which would have wiped him out.Much like the millionairs who jumped off tall buildings in the great depression in 1929. Shelby

I forgot - this is Rick's field. He can give a much better answer. Sue At 10:42 PM 7/31/06 -0400, you wrote: >Hello Shelby - I believe it can be inheirited. Some studies suggest that >- but a major factor is the environment raised in as well. It's been >shown through MRIs and other tests that the brains in abused children do >not develop is some areas. I'll look around for articles - seems to me >that there is some identifier in the body of violence prone people. Rick > > > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

It's not the violence that's inherited. It's a gene that prohibits/inhibits controlling one's actions, especially when angered. I believe that's the same gene that prohibits people from controlling the abuse of drugs, alcohol, gambling, sexual addictions, etc. A psychiatrist explained it to me as "they have no turn off valve." It can be helped with many things, but drugs, psychotherapy and counseling were not available back in our ancestors' days. Then again, my Aunt Dana always said some folks are just plain born mean. Sue At 08:33 PM 7/31/06 -0400, you wrote: > In searching my ancestors on both my father's side, and my mothers.I can >find hardly any on dads side ( Burgess, Canterbury, Jarrel, Farley). On my >mom's >side (Baisden, Hager, Workman,Dempsey), I see plenty of murders, homocides, >suicides. >This is not to say dads side were saints( they might plunk some revenue >officer for busting their still).Im wondering if this violence is >hereditery, or >not ? > >Shelby > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

So true. And I have direct lines: HAGER and BAISDEN. And the temper to match some of them. But the ones that I knew were gentle people. So are their kids. Yike, I must be a throwback. lol Gracie ----- Original Message ----- From: "suebod" <suebod@tampabay.rr.com> To: <WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:17 PM Subject: [WVLOGAN] Violence; An Inherited Trait ? OTS > It's not the violence that's inherited. It's a gene that prohibits/inhibits > controlling one's actions, especially when angered. I believe that's the > same gene that prohibits people from controlling the abuse of drugs, > alcohol, gambling, sexual addictions, etc. A psychiatrist explained it to > me as "they have no turn off valve." > > It can be helped with many things, but drugs, psychotherapy and counseling > were not available back in our ancestors' days. > > Then again, my Aunt Dana always said some folks are just plain born mean. > > Sue > > > At 08:33 PM 7/31/06 -0400, you wrote: > > In searching my ancestors on both my father's side, and my mothers.I can > >find hardly any on dads side ( Burgess, Canterbury, Jarrel, Farley). On my > >mom's > >side (Baisden, Hager, Workman,Dempsey), I see plenty of murders, homocides, > >suicides. > >This is not to say dads side were saints( they might plunk some revenue > >officer for busting their still).Im wondering if this violence is > >hereditery, or > >not ? > > > >Shelby > > > > > >============================== > >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hello Shelby - I believe it can be inheirited. Some studies suggest that - but a major factor is the environment raised in as well. It's been shown through MRIs and other tests that the brains in abused children do not develop is some areas. I'll look around for articles - seems to me that there is some identifier in the body of violence prone people. Rick > > From: BurgessWV@aol.com > Date: 2006/07/31 Mon PM 08:33:45 EDT > To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WVLOGAN] Violence; An Inherited Trait ? OTS > > In searching my ancestors on both my father's side, and my mothers.I can > find hardly any on dads side ( Burgess, Canterbury, Jarrel, Farley). On my mom's > side (Baisden, Hager, Workman,Dempsey), I see plenty of murders, homocides, > suicides. > This is not to say dads side were saints( they might plunk some revenue > officer for busting their still).Im wondering if this violence is hereditery, or > not ? > > Shelby > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Shelby I think the bible verse "train up a child in the way it should go and when it is old it shall not depart from it" has ALOT to do with it. It only takes one person in a family to switch it around by teaching their children morals. I have seen this personally from a family of alcoholics of generations, one man changed that course for him and his children and now grandchildren. Debbie --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

In searching my ancestors on both my father's side, and my mothers.I can find hardly any on dads side ( Burgess, Canterbury, Jarrel, Farley). On my mom's side (Baisden, Hager, Workman,Dempsey), I see plenty of murders, homocides, suicides. This is not to say dads side were saints( they might plunk some revenue officer for busting their still).Im wondering if this violence is hereditery, or not ? Shelby

Ada G. Kent wrote: Hi Dodie....Who was ur grandma's parents?......My grandma was georgia Vance and married Warning Workman from Wayne Co...........Denzil >I remember the story. I don't remember the plot. I will check with my mother >and get back to you. I was born in 1949 and remember hearing the story as a >child. > >Ada Wilson Kent >Worthington, OH > >-----Original Message----- >From: D Browning [mailto:famsteel@yahoo.com] >Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 3:51 PM >To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WVLOGAN] For Shelby & Other "Youngins" > >My grandmother, Synthia Ann (Workman) Smith (born 1874) used to tell us >scarey stories that had been passed from generation to generatkion in her >family. One of the stories was "Rawhead And Bloody Bones". I can't remember >the plot, but seems like RHABB lived in an attic? (Maybe murdered in an >attic? But I may have it confused with another story?) I tried to "Google" >it but coudn't find the actual story. It appears that there were different >versions- mostly a monster living in a swamp. Some say the story was Gaelic, >some say Celtic, some say English (Lancashire and Yorkshire) and some say >that slaves brought the story from Africa.The Oxford English Dictionary >dates the name Rawhead And Bloody Bones back as far as circa1550. > > Does anyone remember your parents or grandparents telling you the story >called "Rawhead And Bloody Bones"? Would love to read some of the old >stories that our Logan County ancestors used to tell us when we were >children (60 to 80 years ago). > Dodie > > >--------------------------------- >Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates >starting at 1¢/min. > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > >

I remember the story. I don't remember the plot. I will check with my mother and get back to you. I was born in 1949 and remember hearing the story as a child. Ada Wilson Kent Worthington, OH -----Original Message----- From: D Browning [mailto:famsteel@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 3:51 PM To: WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WVLOGAN] For Shelby & Other "Youngins" My grandmother, Synthia Ann (Workman) Smith (born 1874) used to tell us scarey stories that had been passed from generation to generatkion in her family. One of the stories was "Rawhead And Bloody Bones". I can't remember the plot, but seems like RHABB lived in an attic? (Maybe murdered in an attic? But I may have it confused with another story?) I tried to "Google" it but coudn't find the actual story. It appears that there were different versions- mostly a monster living in a swamp. Some say the story was Gaelic, some say Celtic, some say English (Lancashire and Yorkshire) and some say that slaves brought the story from Africa.The Oxford English Dictionary dates the name Rawhead And Bloody Bones back as far as circa1550. Does anyone remember your parents or grandparents telling you the story called "Rawhead And Bloody Bones"? Would love to read some of the old stories that our Logan County ancestors used to tell us when we were children (60 to 80 years ago). Dodie --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Thanks Max Sorry everyone, I just don't know the Wv family history. My connections with all the relatives from Wv. came west in the 1870s so most of what I read here is all new to me. Love reading all the family stories. I have gotten e-mails from newly found cousins about my grandparents. Some have brought tears. I was soo young when they passed. For whatever reason, I don't remember anyone talking about my ggrandparents. I have learned a lot since starting genealogy. Some good, some bad. I plainly came by my temper naturally. lol Gracie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cartwright1512@aol.com> To: <WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] BURCHETT surname > EDWARD OSBORN IN 1813 KILLED THE SHERIFF MORGAN OF FLOYD COUNTY AND > > HIS SON. THE LEFT THE STATE OF KENTUCKY WENT TO OHIO TO LIVE. THIS IS A > > STORY IN THE HISTORY OF BIG SANDY BY WILLIAN ELY > > MAX > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

EDWARD OSBORN IN 1813 KILLED THE SHERIFF MORGAN OF FLOYD COUNTY AND HIS SON. THE LEFT THE STATE OF KENTUCKY WENT TO OHIO TO LIVE. THIS IS A STORY IN THE HISTORY OF BIG SANDY BY WILLIAN ELY MAX

Hello Gracie and Shelby - My gggg grandmother was Ann Burchett b. 1803 who married Absolem Pleasant Jordan 27 March 1821. Ann's parents were Benjamin b. 1772 and Susannah (Herron) Burchett b. 1777 of the area that is now Bland Co., VA. Benjamin's parents were Burwell Burchett b. 1740 Dinwiddie Co., VA and Mary Fannin born Nottoway Co., VA. Ann had a sister Sarah Burchett born 1809 Floyd Co., KY, BUT her spouse is shown as James Bruce and her parents were Benjamin and Susannah Burchett. I suspect the families are related. Rick

Rick, (again if I have it right) my direct line of Burchett seems to have come from Chatham, Kent Co. England over to Isle of Wight, Va. [ I have not done the proving on this information, soo many names, so little time.] Then to Brunswick co. and on to Lunenburg Co and Charlotte Co. and Floyd Co., Ky and finally to Boone Co., Wv. Shoot, I am having enough trouble finding the proof for the ones from 1800 to 1900. BTW, there was a Benjamin Hedford Burchett 1729, Brunswick Co. Va . in this line. He married Eveline Young, just to confuse everyone with a new surname. lol Gracie ----- Original Message ----- From: <rcs5@bellsouth.net> To: <WVLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: [WVLOGAN] BURCHETT surname > Hello Gracie and Shelby - My gggg grandmother was Ann Burchett b. 1803 who married Absolem Pleasant Jordan 27 March 1821. Ann's parents were Benjamin b. 1772 and Susannah (Herron) Burchett b. 1777 of the area that is now Bland Co., VA. Benjamin's parents were Burwell Burchett b. 1740 Dinwiddie Co., VA and Mary Fannin born Nottoway Co., VA. > > Ann had a sister Sarah Burchett born 1809 Floyd Co., KY, BUT her spouse is shown as James Bruce and her parents were Benjamin and Susannah Burchett. > > I suspect the families are related. Rick > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >