HI Patty on the 1900 Logan Co WV census it shows Simpkins, Mary 26.... widowed having had 3 children/ 2 still living Vicy daughter...age 3 Homer son....age 1 i have searched every place i could think to look w/o any luck as to Mr. Simpkin's first name...even the two listings at www.gencircles.com has 'unknown' Simpkins for Mary's spouse. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] [WVLOGAN Devil Anse Hatfield's daughter Mary Would anyone know the first name of Mr SIMPKINS who Mary HATFIELD d/o Devil Anse had maried and when ? she had a daughter and maybe a son to this SIMPKINS. Any data on this Simpkins and Mary is welcome. Many Thanks, Patty Simpkins Cartwright ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again, Dodie; I resent the statement you made about "males" intruding in Harts Creek family sites. For your info: my late wife Norma had people on the creek. She was the gr gr grandaughter of Francis & Manerva (Ellis) Browning. indeed, the creek was given his name (Francis creek). Also my ancestor (Mary Burgess Workman) had ties to people down that way. Since we are family, why not keep the critcicism to a minimum.I lived in Chapmanville District when young, and knew many of the Harts folks.Harvey Dingess and I were educated in Chapmanville High School. He later became County Supt of schools.Back then, the Harts kids had to board in Chapmanville, in order to get an education. Later on, busses became available for them to ride from Harts to Chapmanville. I also worked with many Harts creek men,who travelled many miles each day to work. Shelby ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Shelby, I'm sorry you misunderstood what I was saying about "Mostly Men". I was talking to and about men who are PUBLISHING information about families they know nothing about. (Namely, Joel Hager, Jim Burgess and Stan Browning publishing incorrect information about my own family). Dodie [email protected] wrote: Hello again, Dodie; I resent the statement you made about "males" intruding in Harts Creek family sites. For your info: my late wife Norma had people on the creek. She was the gr gr grandaughter of Francis & Manerva (Ellis) Browning. indeed, the creek was given his name (Francis creek). Also my ancestor (Mary Burgess Workman) had ties to people down that way. Since we are family, why not keep the critcicism to a minimum.I lived in Chapmanville District when young, and knew many of the Harts folks.Harvey Dingess and I were educated in Chapmanville High School. He later became County Supt of schools.Back then, the Harts kids had to board in Chapmanville, in order to get an education. Later on, busses became available for them to ride from Harts to Chapmanville. I also worked with many Harts creek men,who travelled many miles each day to work. Shelby ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.

Joel, you might want to move the grave of my dad Paris Smith back to Logan County also. I am very well aware that there were Workman's in Tazewell County. That is where my Workman family lived (as well as Lawrence Co KY for awhile) before moving permanently to Logan County. Yes, I do know where Moses Workman Jr (also SR) are buried. They are all buried in the family cemetery on Bulwork Fork of Harts Creek in LOGAN COUNTY. I used to have pictures of the cemetery (taken by my deceased husband) on my Logan County Ancestors website, but after you and others stole my work and published it elsewhere without permission, I removed my Workman (and other Logan County ancestors) and cemetery pictures from the Internet. The Moses Workman in McDowell Co (married to Mary Blankenship) is NOT son of Moses (Sr) and Elizabeth Muncy. They had no son named Moses. For the life of me, I can't understand why so many (mostly men) are so interested in families that are not theirs. Well yes, as a family therapist, I can understand it, but as a "Harts Creeker" My attitude is, "I won't mess around in your family's business and would appreciate it if you keep your noses out of my family's business". Perhaps some of the "wonderful ladies" helping Jim Burgess with his LDS "Kingdom Building" will consider that statement "mean" but that is how I was "raised" (reared) in Logan County by my Harts Creek parents and grandparents- to mind my own business and to stand up for my rights. Dodie (Smith) Browning "Hager, Joel G Mr CIV USA USAMC" <[email protected]> wrote: Dodie, Thanks! I have moved the Shade Smith and Moses Workman Cemetery from Lincoln County to Logan County. I am not sure how I moved it from Logan County to Lincoln County but it was certainly easy to move it back. Parts of Tazewell County became McDowell County as well as Logan County. Many of the Workmans were in Tazewell County. Moses Workman age 65 appears in the 1870 Sandy River Twp., McDowell County, West Virginia census with wife Mary age 45. They had no children listed. http://persi.heritagequestonline.com/hqoweb/library/do/census/results/image? surname=Workman&series=9&state=29&countyid=1721&hitcount=2&p=1&urn=urn%3Apro quest%3AUS%3Bcensus%3B2367535%3B-1%3B9%3B29&searchtype=1&offset=1&threadtype =p I apologize if this is the wrong Moses Workman. Do you know where Moses Workman, Jr. died and where he is buried? Joel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of D Browning Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WVLOGAN] Logan County Geography For all people who have published or plan to publish histories of early pioneers of Harts Creek in Logan County, please check your maps and you will see that Harts Creek is STILL in Logan County. It is known as "Big Hart" or "Big Harts Creek". It was originally spelled "Heart" Creek. (1820 Cabell County map). The post office for Harts (Little Harts Creek) is located in Lincoln County. I have seen numerous publications (including Stan Browning's book on Workman families) placing land, cemeteries and Logan County people living in Lincoln County, including my ancestors, Moses Workman and wife Sarah Marrs (Moses Sr. only had one son named Moses and he was my ancestor too. All of those extra children (straight from LDS records) were never in Logan County were NOT children of Moses and his two wives. The estate records for Moses Workman can be found at the Logan County Courthouse, naming his children. Moses Sr. nor Moses Jr. EVER lived in Lincoln County nor McDowell County. The Bullwark Fork Of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The Smokehouse Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The Hoover Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The White Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The Brair Branch Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County, etc. etc. Joel Hager got creative and took the liberty of moving my Dad's grave from Logan County to Lincoln County after he copied my work from my website and used it as his own "research". I think I know where my parents and grand parents and even my great grandparents are buried! Stan Browning has now moved all of my Workman family's land (therefore their graves as well) to Lincoln County. At one time nearly all of BIG Harts Creek in Logan County was called Whirlwind. I know this for a fact because I was born there and my mother was one of the Post "Masters" at Whirlwind (Harts Creek). After the Whirlwind Post office was discontinued, mail went to Harts (Lincoln County). None of my ancestors ever lived in Lincoln County and none are buried there. Maps are ready available from Mapquest and Yahoo for all authors, genealogists, and "historians." "We do ourselves and our posterity a great dis-service when we set down for fact things not thoroughly researched and not proven." (Quoting Marie Justice from her book, "One Mullins Family"). Dodie (Smith) Browning --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.

Would anyone know the first name of Mr SIMPKINS who Mary HATFIELD d/o Devil Anse had maried and when ? she had a daughter and maybe a son to this SIMPKINS. Any data on this Simpkins and Mary is welcome. Many Thanks, Patty Simpkins Cartwright ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Dodie, Thanks! I have moved the Shade Smith and Moses Workman Cemetery from Lincoln County to Logan County. I am not sure how I moved it from Logan County to Lincoln County but it was certainly easy to move it back. Parts of Tazewell County became McDowell County as well as Logan County. Many of the Workmans were in Tazewell County. Moses Workman age 65 appears in the 1870 Sandy River Twp., McDowell County, West Virginia census with wife Mary age 45. They had no children listed. http://persi.heritagequestonline.com/hqoweb/library/do/census/results/image? surname=Workman&series=9&state=29&countyid=1721&hitcount=2&p=1&urn=urn%3Apro quest%3AUS%3Bcensus%3B2367535%3B-1%3B9%3B29&searchtype=1&offset=1&threadtype =p I apologize if this is the wrong Moses Workman. Do you know where Moses Workman, Jr. died and where he is buried? Joel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of D Browning Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WVLOGAN] Logan County Geography For all people who have published or plan to publish histories of early pioneers of Harts Creek in Logan County, please check your maps and you will see that Harts Creek is STILL in Logan County. It is known as "Big Hart" or "Big Harts Creek". It was originally spelled "Heart" Creek. (1820 Cabell County map). The post office for Harts (Little Harts Creek) is located in Lincoln County. I have seen numerous publications (including Stan Browning's book on Workman families) placing land, cemeteries and Logan County people living in Lincoln County, including my ancestors, Moses Workman and wife Sarah Marrs (Moses Sr. only had one son named Moses and he was my ancestor too. All of those extra children (straight from LDS records) were never in Logan County were NOT children of Moses and his two wives. The estate records for Moses Workman can be found at the Logan County Courthouse, naming his children. Moses Sr. nor Moses Jr. EVER lived in Lincoln County nor McDowell County. The Bullwark Fork Of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The Smokehouse Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The Hoover Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The White Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The Brair Branch Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County, etc. etc. Joel Hager got creative and took the liberty of moving my Dad's grave from Logan County to Lincoln County after he copied my work from my website and used it as his own "research". I think I know where my parents and grand parents and even my great grandparents are buried! Stan Browning has now moved all of my Workman family's land (therefore their graves as well) to Lincoln County. At one time nearly all of BIG Harts Creek in Logan County was called Whirlwind. I know this for a fact because I was born there and my mother was one of the Post "Masters" at Whirlwind (Harts Creek). After the Whirlwind Post office was discontinued, mail went to Harts (Lincoln County). None of my ancestors ever lived in Lincoln County and none are buried there. Maps are ready available from Mapquest and Yahoo for all authors, genealogists, and "historians." "We do ourselves and our posterity a great dis-service when we set down for fact things not thoroughly researched and not proven." (Quoting Marie Justice from her book, "One Mullins Family"). Dodie (Smith) Browning --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While most of Big Hart creek was in Logan county,WV. the town at the mouth of Hart is called Atenville, in Lincoln County. little Hart is ALL in Lincoln co., except the headwaters, some of which are in Wayne & Mingo counties. The Workman Fork of Big Hart is the first left hand creek, on Big Hart. Its pretty close to the Lincoln line. Shelby ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Actually Shelby at the mouth of Big Hart is just called Harts. Attenville is about 6 miles or so on down route 10 at the mouth of Little Harts. Up route 10 from Harts is Ferrellsburg and Toney. There is quite a bit of Big Harts that is Lincoln County but Dodie is right in the areas she mentioned being Logan County. Debbie --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.

For all people who have published or plan to publish histories of early pioneers of Harts Creek in Logan County, please check your maps and you will see that Harts Creek is STILL in Logan County. It is known as “Big Hart” or “Big Harts Creek”. It was originally spelled “Heart” Creek. (1820 Cabell County map). The post office for Harts (Little Harts Creek) is located in Lincoln County. I have seen numerous publications (including Stan Browning’s book on Workman families) placing land, cemeteries and Logan County people living in Lincoln County, including my ancestors, Moses Workman and wife Sarah Marrs (Moses Sr. only had one son named Moses and he was my ancestor too. All of those extra children (straight from LDS records) were never in Logan County were NOT children of Moses and his two wives. The estate records for Moses Workman can be found at the Logan County Courthouse, naming his children. Moses Sr. nor Moses Jr. EVER lived in Lincoln County nor McDowell County. The Bullwark Fork Of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The Smokehouse Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The Hoover Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The White Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County. The Brair Branch Fork of Harts Creek is in Logan County, etc. etc. Joel Hager got creative and took the liberty of moving my Dad’s grave from Logan County to Lincoln County after he copied my work from my website and used it as his own “research”. I think I know where my parents and grand parents and even my great grandparents are buried! Stan Browning has now moved all of my Workman family’s land (therefore their graves as well) to Lincoln County. At one time nearly all of BIG Harts Creek in Logan County was called Whirlwind. I know this for a fact because I was born there and my mother was one of the Post “Masters” at Whirlwind (Harts Creek). After the Whirlwind Post office was discontinued, mail went to Harts (Lincoln County). None of my ancestors ever lived in Lincoln County and none are buried there. Maps are ready available from Mapquest and Yahoo for all authors, genealogists, and “historians.” "We do ourselves and our posterity a great dis-service when we set down for fact things not thoroughly researched and not proven." (Quoting Marie Justice from her book, "One Mullins Family"). Dodie (Smith) Browning --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

Barbara, After you have entered the lulu.com site. search: "workman" in: " books" The book title and a brief description should appear. Click on Download: Free and a second page with description will appear. Click on Download and be prepared to wait. It is a big book with lots of pictures, so it takes a long time. You can shortcut the procedure by going directly to lulu.com/content/ 636781and performing only the last step given above. Good luck, STAN On Nov 19, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Barbara Browning wrote: > Stan, > When I get into lulu.com how and where do you down load Workman > Genealogy. > Thanks > ----

Hello Stan; I am rellated to the Workmans several ways; I now have your latest book on this clan. While I cant vouch for the accuracys(s) included, I can say you covered all the bases well.The Workman clan were a tricky bunch to track down.Some had no known parents; it was like talking to to hunters, trappers,migrants to try to find any information.They were nearly as wild as the native Americans <grin>. Which makes them all the more interesting. I must have inherited some of the Workman genes, as I lived in many places in southern WV. Back then, we followed the fortunes (or misfortunes ) of mining and timber jobs. This was in the 1920 s- 1930 s You went where there was a bean to eat ! Shelby ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Stan, When I get into lulu.com how and where do you down load Workman Genealogy. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: STANLEY BROWNING<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Announcing www.VirginiaSurnames<http://www.virginiasurnames/> by Jim Burgess Dodie, I know the frustration of having someone make a mess out of something that you have spent a lifetime trying to unravel yourself. Believe me I have experienced it. Believe me also that any mistakes I have made were honest even if made out of ignorance. Moreover, I was sincere in requesting criticism of the Workman book. How else can we correct the mistakes that have been promulgated for decades? In my opinion, when offered constructively, criticism is not a dirty word. However, in this case I feel abused in light of circumstances that you were either unaware of or chose to ignore. Also you have made some assumptions without any basis whatsoever regarding my religious preference that certainly would have been better left unsaid. We will start with the religious question first. Apparently you have an axe to grind with respect to the LDS. I am not LDS, but I hasten to add that some of my very best friends are. Three of them have a key to my house and it doesn't bother me a bit. When I was told by my company in 1963 that I was being sent to Utah, with the little I knew I figured I would likely be eaten for dinner by a Morman, or lose my beautiful wife to some elderly patriarch who felt his harem was still incomplete. Surprise! They are people just like you and me and are not deserving of the bias attitudes of many who do not understand them. However, not that it should make any difference to the subject at hand, saying I like the LDS people is not saying that I agree with the LDS religious philosophy. In response to a request offered on this mailing list for books about early settlers of southern WV, I agreed to do one on the Workmans. My reason for doing so is clearly stated in the Preface to my book. Although I knew something of the Workmans in Wyoming County and Amos Workman of Boone County, I stated up front that I was not a Workman expert and especially with respect to those who settled in counties adjacent to my own. I called on others on the list and elsewhere to supply me with pictures and documented, if possible, input; which many did. I tried, to the best of my ability, to give credit to the original sources or, if it was undocumented, to make it clear that that was the case. I claim unreservedly that this is one of the best referenced books of this type that I know of. Incidentally, you will find a reference to my source for the birthplace of Sarah Deskins on page 126 of the book. I make no claim with regard to its accuracy. Each and every picture with accompanying data were approved by the owners before being incorporated into the book. After the first draft was completed, it was sent out for review by all that made contributions and a notice was posted on the Internet inviting others to join in the review. A copy was made available from www.LULU.com<http://www.lulu.com/> free of charge and I notified you directly. Unfortunately, we published the book before you were able to download a copy and complete your review, so we were unable to benefit from your guidance. I have yet to receive your comments other than the characterization of me in your letter, which I happened to read only by accident since it was not addressed to me. All books of this type should be considered works in progress. The Workman book will still be deficient even if we should continue verifying accuracy of new input and incorporating it into the book. However, that should not detract us from striving to make it better, or at least publicize it's inaccuracies. I am eager to continue development of the Workman book. I am not concerned about getting credit or personal gain for any possible additions, but I am concerned that a resource intended for future researchers could be floating around containing known misinformation and we did nothing about it. I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about when you say I made a mess of your family history since I devote fewer than eight pages to the entire Thomas Workman clan. I don't know which if any other family you could be talking about, since I don't know you and to my recollection have not received any input from you. However, I recognize my own fallibility and may not recall some previous correspondence. If I somehow I overlooked your input, I apologize. I appeal to you now to send to me directly a critique of the questionable parts of the Workman story with specific identification of data or statements with which you disagree. I promise you I will return to the task and research the area again. I will correct any errors that I find in the book and give you full credit for helping me clean up my mess. It would be great if you could publish your findings on the Thomas Workman family since we know so little about him. By the way, thanks for the story telling compliment. I hope you are not too mad at me to continue reading and enjoying my tales about growing up in southern WV even if you do consider me a Logan County interloper. STAN On Nov 17, 2007, at 9:04 PM, D Browning wrote: > Jim, > I just looked at your database and must admit that I was not > surprised that it is NOT based on documented information as you > promised the list. I wouldn't even begin to know where to start > making corrections to my Logan County surnames. You have John R. > Bryant and Elizabeth Coalter as the parents of Corbin Bryant. > Would you mind quoting your source and "documentation" for that > information? I have a hunch as to your "source" and I can > categorically state that it is not correct. It took a lot of work > and time for you to repeat the same old mistakes that have been > circulating for at least a hundred years and then add someone's > fantasy about John R. Bryant and Elizabeth Coalter to boot. > > Stan Browning had asked for my opinion on his Workman Book > sometime ago. I finally downloaded his Workman book this evening > and in all fairness to you, Jim, Stan should stick to telling > stories about what he knows. For Stan: I do enjoy reading your > stories even if they are not about Logan County. You are a very > talanted storyteller, but you sure made a mess of my Workman > family. Well, actually, you both did. Jim, you have my great > grandfather Moses Workman (wife Polly Mullins) with two or three > different sets of parents. > > Stan I am a Deskins descendant (Tazewell County). I have done > extensive research on every Deskins family that existed prior to > 1850 and there were NO Deskins families in Halifax County VA when > Sarah, the wife of Thomas Workman was born. Harmon's Annals Of > Tazewell Co. VA shows her as Deskins, while Netti S/Yantis shows > her as Dickerson. I mentioned this to Netti the last time I talked > to her (a few months ago) and she and I both agree that "someone" > should check the actual record at the Tazewell County courthouse > beofre anyone else publishes it. > > I was waiting to see what "Logan County Recreated" was all about > before I contributed any of my DOCUMENTED research, but as I said, > I wouldn't know where to begin making corrections. You do have > dates (1700s) on your website that can be found nowhere except the > Steele Family Bible that is in my possession ( I am the 4th > owner). Your "source" states "donated by an LDS member after > 1991" with no credit given to the people who lovingly protected it > since the 1700s. I have over thirty years of research and I don't > expect to live another thirty to help you correct "Recreate" Logan > County, so I will just share my DOCUMENTED research with my own > relatives most of whom (including my own children) don't even own > computers and most certainly none of them are collecting data for LDS. > I sincerely wish you Good Luck with your endeavor. May you and > Stan both have many stars in your LDS crowns and may you have a > blessed Christmas. > Dodie (Smith) Browning > > > Jim <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Dear Logan County, West Virginia Family & Genealogist, > > > > I am pleased to finally invite everyone to my new web site - > www.virginiasurnames.com<http://www.virginiasurnames.com/> > > My new email address is [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > > You may want to visit Logan County Recreated 1824-1863 > > > > With this data base and links to the 1880 Census and West Virginia > Vital > Records Logan County researchers will be able to > > Find information on their families. The index is the key to finding > everyone in the data base. Look for the small N by > > The head of the house (not always) to find the notes that I have > added. > > > > Several of these families I found confusing - I look forward to your > corrections and updates. > > > > I have 22,000 residents in this data base - only 18,468 individuals > appear > on this web site. I have tried several times to upload all the > information; > however, 3,500 of the 22,000 do not want to update. I hope to > figure out > how to add the missing names. > > > > It is my hope that members of this mailing list will send updates and > corrections one family at a time. I must be strict in updating one > family > at a time. > > > > I want to thank the wonderful ladies who assisted my with the Birth > Death > Marriage Veterans Census, Mortality Schedule. I hope that members > of the > list will help me finish the 1870 Logan County, West Virginia > Census. The > Tridelphia Township is finished and I have been working on the > Magnolia > Township. For those who have been working on the other township I look > forward to adding those families to the data base. > > > > Be sure to the check the notes on each individual. > > > > My hope is to be able to upload new data bases on my personal > families, > Burgess Families of Southwest Virginia and Descendants of David > Toler and > Susanna in the next few weeks. > > > > I have concentrated on adding information on families that are > related to my > family. > > > > This is my Holiday gift to every one on the Logan County Mailing > list who > have been so kind to me for these many years. > > > > May we celebrate the birth of our Savior The Lord Jesus Christ > during this > wonderful time of year. > > > > Merry Christmas > > > > Jim & Sandi Burgess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVLOGAN- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. 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Stan, I apologize for thinking that you were LDS. I won’t make excuses about why I thought were LDS. I will just say that I am sorry. I don’t have “an ax to grind” with anyone. Liking or not liking LDS members is not the same as disliking some of their behaviors or their church philosophy, which interferes with my own family beliefs, as well as my ancestor’s beliefs. I too have had numerous friends who were LDS members and have even been able to joke with them about coming to work looking like prunes after being baptized by “proxy” so often. They would usually respond with something about my WV (hillbilly)accent. Stan, I prefer not to get into private discussions about what happens on the list (which is the only public mailing list to which I belong). I am physically limited as to how much I can type. You chastised me for making assumptions about your religion. Well, we all know what happens when we “assume.” Again, I apologize for thinking you were LDS. It was not an “assumption”- It was what I believed, based on something I had been told. I was wrong for accepting what someone else said about you before I checked it out for myself, so for the third time, I will say I am sorry and ask that you forgive me for (psychologically?) “abusing” you. You stated in your email “I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about when you say I made a mess of your family history since I devote fewer than eight pages to the entire Thomas Workman clan”. Stan, you just did what you accused me of doing- you ASSUMED. Obviously, you overlooked the fact that I stated in that email that I descend through MOSES Workman (2nd wife Sarah Marrs). I am not a descendant of the Thomas Workman “clan” (as you describe them) and his wife Sarah whose maiden name to my knowledge has never been documented (a published source is not documentation). Sarah’s birthplace however, is documented on a Boone County Census record. My own Workman lineage is on Donna Brown’s Logan County Genweb site and I believe you mentioned previously that you had used some of it. That is the only family I have even looked at since I downloaded your book a couple of days ago, except to see if you had actually found the correct name for Sarah, the wife of Thomas Workman. (Not because I was concerned about parentage of Thomas Workman, but because of my Deskins research, which is another line where people keep publishing hearsay.) I did not say that I was a descendant of Thomas and Sarah Workman. I merely pointed out that there were discrepancies in the original publications about Sarah’s maiden name (Harman and S/Yantis) and that “someone” needs to check the actual records before publishing anymore genealogies of this family. I have not been able to find a Deskins family for Sarah, wife of Thomas Workman nor have I been able to document the parents of my own Tazewell County Deskins ancestor). I did not see your request for people to submit their family information to you for your book. I would not have submitted my work even if I had seen it. I often go that extra mile whenever individuals need help to find their own families but my own opinion is that if people are publishing genealogies and family histories, they should search public records, not republish junk genealogy (no offense intended) from LDS records and from other published undocumented genealogies. “Gathering” information from other people is NOT research. Undocumented genealogy is no different than any other “junk science”. I learned early on that my mistakes would always come back to haunt me (just like when I mistakenly believed you to be LDS). I do take responsibility for my own behavior- no excuses. Everyone makes mistakes, but to continue promulgating “junk genealogy” as a “work in progress” and quoting published “sources” with undocumented information is just repeating the same old negative behavior patterns, by “carving” false information deeper into “stone.” "We do ourselves and our posterity a great dis-service when we set down for fact things not thoroughly researched and not proven." (Quoting Marie Justice from her book, "One Mullins Family"). Again, I apologize for thinking you were LDS. Dodie (Smith) Browning STANLEY BROWNING <[email protected]> wrote: Dodie, I know the frustration of having someone make a mess out of something that you have spent a lifetime trying to unravel yourself. Believe me I have experienced it. Believe me also that any mistakes I have made were honest even if made out of ignorance. Moreover, I was sincere in requesting criticism of the Workman book. How else can we correct the mistakes that have been promulgated for decades? In my opinion, when offered constructively, criticism is not a dirty word. However, in this case I feel abused in light of circumstances that you were either unaware of or chose to ignore. Also you have made some assumptions without any basis whatsoever regarding my religious preference that certainly would have been better left unsaid. We will start with the religious question first. Apparently you have an axe to grind with respect to the LDS. I am not LDS, but I hasten to add that some of my very best friends are. Three of them have a key to my house and it doesn't bother me a bit. When I was told by my company in 1963 that I was being sent to Utah, with the little I knew I figured I would likely be eaten for dinner by a Morman, or lose my beautiful wife to some elderly patriarch who felt his harem was still incomplete. Surprise! They are people just like you and me and are not deserving of the bias attitudes of many who do not understand them. However, not that it should make any difference to the subject at hand, saying I like the LDS people is not saying that I agree with the LDS religious philosophy. In response to a request offered on this mailing list for books about early settlers of southern WV, I agreed to do one on the Workmans. My reason for doing so is clearly stated in the Preface to my book. Although I knew something of the Workmans in Wyoming County and Amos Workman of Boone County, I stated up front that I was not a Workman expert and especially with respect to those who settled in counties adjacent to my own. I called on others on the list and elsewhere to supply me with pictures and documented, if possible, input; which many did. I tried, to the best of my ability, to give credit to the original sources or, if it was undocumented, to make it clear that that was the case. I claim unreservedly that this is one of the best referenced books of this type that I know of. Incidentally, you will find a reference to my source for the birthplace of Sarah Deskins on page 126 of the book. I make no claim with regard to its accuracy. Each and every picture with accompanying data were approved by the owners before being incorporated into the book. After the first draft was completed, it was sent out for review by all that made contributions and a notice was posted on the Internet inviting others to join in the review. A copy was made available from www.LULU.com free of charge and I notified you directly. Unfortunately, we published the book before you were able to download a copy and complete your review, so we were unable to benefit from your guidance. I have yet to receive your comments other than the characterization of me in your letter, which I happened to read only by accident since it was not addressed to me. All books of this type should be considered works in progress. The Workman book will still be deficient even if we should continue verifying accuracy of new input and incorporating it into the book. However, that should not detract us from striving to make it better, or at least publicize it's inaccuracies. I am eager to continue development of the Workman book. I am not concerned about getting credit or personal gain for any possible additions, but I am concerned that a resource intended for future researchers could be floating around containing known misinformation and we did nothing about it. I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about when you say I made a mess of your family history since I devote fewer than eight pages to the entire Thomas Workman clan. I don't know which if any other family you could be talking about, since I don't know you and to my recollection have not received any input from you. However, I recognize my own fallibility and may not recall some previous correspondence. If I somehow I overlooked your input, I apologize. I appeal to you now to send to me directly a critique of the questionable parts of the Workman story with specific identification of data or statements with which you disagree. I promise you I will return to the task and research the area again. I will correct any errors that I find in the book and give you full credit for helping me clean up my mess. It would be great if you could publish your findings on the Thomas Workman family since we know so little about him. By the way, thanks for the story telling compliment. I hope you are not too mad at me to continue reading and enjoying my tales about growing up in southern WV even if you do consider me a Logan County interloper. STAN On Nov 17, 2007, at 9:04 PM, D Browning wrote: > Jim, > I just looked at your database and must admit that I was not > surprised that it is NOT based on documented information as you > promised the list. I wouldn't even begin to know where to start > making corrections to my Logan County surnames. You have John R. > Bryant and Elizabeth Coalter as the parents of Corbin Bryant. > Would you mind quoting your source and "documentation" for that > information? I have a hunch as to your "source" and I can > categorically state that it is not correct. It took a lot of work > and time for you to repeat the same old mistakes that have been > circulating for at least a hundred years and then add someone's > fantasy about John R. Bryant and Elizabeth Coalter to boot. > > Stan Browning had asked for my opinion on his Workman Book > sometime ago. I finally downloaded his Workman book this evening > and in all fairness to you, Jim, Stan should stick to telling > stories about what he knows. For Stan: I do enjoy reading your > stories even if they are not about Logan County. You are a very > talanted storyteller, but you sure made a mess of my Workman > family. Well, actually, you both did. Jim, you have my great > grandfather Moses Workman (wife Polly Mullins) with two or three > different sets of parents. > > Stan I am a Deskins descendant (Tazewell County). I have done > extensive research on every Deskins family that existed prior to > 1850 and there were NO Deskins families in Halifax County VA when > Sarah, the wife of Thomas Workman was born. Harmon's Annals Of > Tazewell Co. VA shows her as Deskins, while Netti S/Yantis shows > her as Dickerson. I mentioned this to Netti the last time I talked > to her (a few months ago) and she and I both agree that "someone" > should check the actual record at the Tazewell County courthouse > beofre anyone else publishes it. > > I was waiting to see what "Logan County Recreated" was all about > before I contributed any of my DOCUMENTED research, but as I said, > I wouldn't know where to begin making corrections. You do have > dates (1700s) on your website that can be found nowhere except the > Steele Family Bible that is in my possession ( I am the 4th > owner). Your "source" states "donated by an LDS member after > 1991" with no credit given to the people who lovingly protected it > since the 1700s. I have over thirty years of research and I don't > expect to live another thirty to help you correct "Recreate" Logan > County, so I will just share my DOCUMENTED research with my own > relatives most of whom (including my own children) don't even own > computers and most certainly none of them are collecting data for LDS. > I sincerely wish you Good Luck with your endeavor. May you and > Stan both have many stars in your LDS crowns and may you have a > blessed Christmas. > Dodie (Smith) Browning > > > Jim wrote: > Dear Logan County, West Virginia Family & Genealogist, > > > > I am pleased to finally invite everyone to my new web site - > www.virginiasurnames.com > > My new email address is [email protected] > > > > You may want to visit Logan County Recreated 1824-1863 > > > > With this data base and links to the 1880 Census and West Virginia > Vital > Records Logan County researchers will be able to > > Find information on their families. The index is the key to finding > everyone in the data base. Look for the small N by > > The head of the house (not always) to find the notes that I have > added. > > > > Several of these families I found confusing - I look forward to your > corrections and updates. > > > > I have 22,000 residents in this data base - only 18,468 individuals > appear > on this web site. I have tried several times to upload all the > information; > however, 3,500 of the 22,000 do not want to update. I hope to > figure out > how to add the missing names. > > > > It is my hope that members of this mailing list will send updates and > corrections one family at a time. I must be strict in updating one > family > at a time. > > > > I want to thank the wonderful ladies who assisted my with the Birth > Death > Marriage Veterans Census, Mortality Schedule. I hope that members > of the > list will help me finish the 1870 Logan County, West Virginia > Census. The > Tridelphia Township is finished and I have been working on the > Magnolia > Township. For those who have been working on the other township I look > forward to adding those families to the data base. > > > > Be sure to the check the notes on each individual. > > > > My hope is to be able to upload new data bases on my personal > families, > Burgess Families of Southwest Virginia and Descendants of David > Toler and > Susanna in the next few weeks. > > > > I have concentrated on adding information on families that are > related to my > family. > > > > This is my Holiday gift to every one on the Logan County Mailing > list who > have been so kind to me for these many years. > > > > May we celebrate the birth of our Savior The Lord Jesus Christ > during this > wonderful time of year. > > > > Merry Christmas > > > > Jim & Sandi Burgess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVLOGAN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. 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Hello Shelby - When did Uncle Troy grow watermelons? Grama Mullins had a small watermelon patch in her big garden. You couldn't get away with much in Blair - grin. Cousin Rick On Nov 19, 2007 8:46 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Troy Mullins of Blair raised a patch of watermelons. We youths kept > watching > them grow larger each week. One of the McKinney boys thought they were > ripe > enough for getting, so one night we raided the patch.We got all we could > carry, > and took them away for eating. We busted open the melons, only to find > they > were not ripe enough. We ate them anyway, and many visits to the outhouse > took > place the next several days !Later. someone asked Troy if he was gonna > raise > more melons next year. He replied : "No, im not gonna raise anymore melons > for > the Burgess & McKinney boys to eat " <grin> > > Shelby > > > > > ************************************** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Troy Mullins of Blair raised a patch of watermelons. We youths kept watching them grow larger each week. One of the McKinney boys thought they were ripe enough for getting, so one night we raided the patch.We got all we could carry, and took them away for eating. We busted open the melons, only to find they were not ripe enough. We ate them anyway, and many visits to the outhouse took place the next several days !Later. someone asked Troy if he was gonna raise more melons next year. He replied : "No, im not gonna raise anymore melons for the Burgess & McKinney boys to eat " <grin> Shelby ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia F" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: [WVLOGAN] Lumber industry/ & Devil Anse Article > Hello, > > I want to say I've enjoyed reading the stories everyone has > shared. My Father grew up in the mountains but they were the ones that > stretched up into western PA. We would visit his mother in the mid 1960's; > they never did have indoor plumbing. My sister and I had to take our tooth > brush and a glass of water, stand over the edge of the porch so we could > "rinse and spit" while we brushed. > > The reason I am on the Logan County and neighboring county > lists > is that I'm looking for information on William H. Fronk, his wife Alagana > Damron and children. William b. 1857 left Cambria County PA around mid > 1880's, his marriage certificate in Wayne County WV dates 1887. > > What I would like to find out is if anyone knows of a migration around > that > time of lumbermen from PA to WV. I did come across a real estate ad in > 1884 > in an Indiana County PA newspaper that mentions 4000 acres of land in > Logan > County for sale (at less than $1.00 an acre!) with good lumber and coal > below. I think William Fronk and his brother James both headed down but > only > William stayed. I'd be interested in information and photos of any lumber > companies that were operating at that time. > > William and his wife had 10 children, only two survive to > adulthood. I would like to find names and any information on the children > that died young, the two that survived, Ray and Beatrice, and buried with > their parents in the Isaac Marcum Cemetery near Dunlow. > > > > While looking in newspapers I found and article in 1905 in the > Indiana Evening Gazette, (Indiana County, PA). The headline reads, > "Hatfield Feud is On, Mountaineers in West Virginia have Their Guns Out" I > saw mention of "Devil Anse on an earlier post, he is mentioned in this > article; ".The trouble originated with George Hensley, who married Mary > Hatfield, daughter of "Devil" Anse.. I can forward the copy of the article > if anyone is interested. > > > > Marcia Fronk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Jim I have briefly scanned my families information on your site and found several errors. I know it has been stated already that the S stands for source, so I clicked on that and most of what you have listed is the LDS information, wrong information that I have tried to get corrected for years. I was told I could submit my info also but they would leave the other? OK? I felt it useless then and pretty much feel it useless now but since this is a public list I will give a few instances- Harriet Hicks Dempseys death certificate (recorded at Logan County Court House) says she died in Logan, WV you have Ferrellsburg, WV and give the LDS as source. Allen Adkins was married to Frances McNeeley, both died (or disappeared) in 1859. (I suggest you read Adkins, Land of York, by Ronnie Adkins) Aaron Adkins married FRANCES Toney. Both Adkins above are at- http://www.virginiasurnames.com/logan_recreated/data/gp5093.htm Will look more when I get time. Debbie --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.

Dodie, I know the frustration of having someone make a mess out of something that you have spent a lifetime trying to unravel yourself. Believe me I have experienced it. Believe me also that any mistakes I have made were honest even if made out of ignorance. Moreover, I was sincere in requesting criticism of the Workman book. How else can we correct the mistakes that have been promulgated for decades? In my opinion, when offered constructively, criticism is not a dirty word. However, in this case I feel abused in light of circumstances that you were either unaware of or chose to ignore. Also you have made some assumptions without any basis whatsoever regarding my religious preference that certainly would have been better left unsaid. We will start with the religious question first. Apparently you have an axe to grind with respect to the LDS. I am not LDS, but I hasten to add that some of my very best friends are. Three of them have a key to my house and it doesn't bother me a bit. When I was told by my company in 1963 that I was being sent to Utah, with the little I knew I figured I would likely be eaten for dinner by a Morman, or lose my beautiful wife to some elderly patriarch who felt his harem was still incomplete. Surprise! They are people just like you and me and are not deserving of the bias attitudes of many who do not understand them. However, not that it should make any difference to the subject at hand, saying I like the LDS people is not saying that I agree with the LDS religious philosophy. In response to a request offered on this mailing list for books about early settlers of southern WV, I agreed to do one on the Workmans. My reason for doing so is clearly stated in the Preface to my book. Although I knew something of the Workmans in Wyoming County and Amos Workman of Boone County, I stated up front that I was not a Workman expert and especially with respect to those who settled in counties adjacent to my own. I called on others on the list and elsewhere to supply me with pictures and documented, if possible, input; which many did. I tried, to the best of my ability, to give credit to the original sources or, if it was undocumented, to make it clear that that was the case. I claim unreservedly that this is one of the best referenced books of this type that I know of. Incidentally, you will find a reference to my source for the birthplace of Sarah Deskins on page 126 of the book. I make no claim with regard to its accuracy. Each and every picture with accompanying data were approved by the owners before being incorporated into the book. After the first draft was completed, it was sent out for review by all that made contributions and a notice was posted on the Internet inviting others to join in the review. A copy was made available from www.LULU.com free of charge and I notified you directly. Unfortunately, we published the book before you were able to download a copy and complete your review, so we were unable to benefit from your guidance. I have yet to receive your comments other than the characterization of me in your letter, which I happened to read only by accident since it was not addressed to me. All books of this type should be considered works in progress. The Workman book will still be deficient even if we should continue verifying accuracy of new input and incorporating it into the book. However, that should not detract us from striving to make it better, or at least publicize it's inaccuracies. I am eager to continue development of the Workman book. I am not concerned about getting credit or personal gain for any possible additions, but I am concerned that a resource intended for future researchers could be floating around containing known misinformation and we did nothing about it. I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about when you say I made a mess of your family history since I devote fewer than eight pages to the entire Thomas Workman clan. I don't know which if any other family you could be talking about, since I don't know you and to my recollection have not received any input from you. However, I recognize my own fallibility and may not recall some previous correspondence. If I somehow I overlooked your input, I apologize. I appeal to you now to send to me directly a critique of the questionable parts of the Workman story with specific identification of data or statements with which you disagree. I promise you I will return to the task and research the area again. I will correct any errors that I find in the book and give you full credit for helping me clean up my mess. It would be great if you could publish your findings on the Thomas Workman family since we know so little about him. By the way, thanks for the story telling compliment. I hope you are not too mad at me to continue reading and enjoying my tales about growing up in southern WV even if you do consider me a Logan County interloper. STAN On Nov 17, 2007, at 9:04 PM, D Browning wrote: > Jim, > I just looked at your database and must admit that I was not > surprised that it is NOT based on documented information as you > promised the list. I wouldn't even begin to know where to start > making corrections to my Logan County surnames. You have John R. > Bryant and Elizabeth Coalter as the parents of Corbin Bryant. > Would you mind quoting your source and "documentation" for that > information? I have a hunch as to your "source" and I can > categorically state that it is not correct. It took a lot of work > and time for you to repeat the same old mistakes that have been > circulating for at least a hundred years and then add someone's > fantasy about John R. Bryant and Elizabeth Coalter to boot. > > Stan Browning had asked for my opinion on his Workman Book > sometime ago. I finally downloaded his Workman book this evening > and in all fairness to you, Jim, Stan should stick to telling > stories about what he knows. For Stan: I do enjoy reading your > stories even if they are not about Logan County. You are a very > talanted storyteller, but you sure made a mess of my Workman > family. Well, actually, you both did. Jim, you have my great > grandfather Moses Workman (wife Polly Mullins) with two or three > different sets of parents. > > Stan I am a Deskins descendant (Tazewell County). I have done > extensive research on every Deskins family that existed prior to > 1850 and there were NO Deskins families in Halifax County VA when > Sarah, the wife of Thomas Workman was born. Harmon's Annals Of > Tazewell Co. VA shows her as Deskins, while Netti S/Yantis shows > her as Dickerson. I mentioned this to Netti the last time I talked > to her (a few months ago) and she and I both agree that "someone" > should check the actual record at the Tazewell County courthouse > beofre anyone else publishes it. > > I was waiting to see what "Logan County Recreated" was all about > before I contributed any of my DOCUMENTED research, but as I said, > I wouldn't know where to begin making corrections. You do have > dates (1700s) on your website that can be found nowhere except the > Steele Family Bible that is in my possession ( I am the 4th > owner). Your "source" states "donated by an LDS member after > 1991" with no credit given to the people who lovingly protected it > since the 1700s. I have over thirty years of research and I don't > expect to live another thirty to help you correct "Recreate" Logan > County, so I will just share my DOCUMENTED research with my own > relatives most of whom (including my own children) don't even own > computers and most certainly none of them are collecting data for LDS. > I sincerely wish you Good Luck with your endeavor. May you and > Stan both have many stars in your LDS crowns and may you have a > blessed Christmas. > Dodie (Smith) Browning > > > Jim <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Logan County, West Virginia Family & Genealogist, > > > > I am pleased to finally invite everyone to my new web site - > www.virginiasurnames.com > > My new email address is [email protected] > > > > You may want to visit Logan County Recreated 1824-1863 > > > > With this data base and links to the 1880 Census and West Virginia > Vital > Records Logan County researchers will be able to > > Find information on their families. The index is the key to finding > everyone in the data base. Look for the small N by > > The head of the house (not always) to find the notes that I have > added. > > > > Several of these families I found confusing - I look forward to your > corrections and updates. > > > > I have 22,000 residents in this data base - only 18,468 individuals > appear > on this web site. I have tried several times to upload all the > information; > however, 3,500 of the 22,000 do not want to update. I hope to > figure out > how to add the missing names. > > > > It is my hope that members of this mailing list will send updates and > corrections one family at a time. I must be strict in updating one > family > at a time. > > > > I want to thank the wonderful ladies who assisted my with the Birth > Death > Marriage Veterans Census, Mortality Schedule. I hope that members > of the > list will help me finish the 1870 Logan County, West Virginia > Census. The > Tridelphia Township is finished and I have been working on the > Magnolia > Township. For those who have been working on the other township I look > forward to adding those families to the data base. > > > > Be sure to the check the notes on each individual. > > > > My hope is to be able to upload new data bases on my personal > families, > Burgess Families of Southwest Virginia and Descendants of David > Toler and > Susanna in the next few weeks. > > > > I have concentrated on adding information on families that are > related to my > family. > > > > This is my Holiday gift to every one on the Logan County Mailing > list who > have been so kind to me for these many years. > > > > May we celebrate the birth of our Savior The Lord Jesus Christ > during this > wonderful time of year. > > > > Merry Christmas > > > > Jim & Sandi Burgess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVLOGAN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. > See how. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVLOGAN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

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