Thanks,Gracie; You did a good job on tracing Little Johnny Hager,especialy so in Ks.Ella (Adams) Toler is my neighbor. She is a cousin of Little John.Her dad was Johnny Adams of Harts creek,WV .I will relay your info to her today. Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Thanks for trying cousin Gracie; Little John Hager was very close to our Baisdens, on Big Creek,WV. I posted some info on him recently to the list, but have had no replys. Cuz; Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hi, Shelby This is what I have been trying to post. And yes he was close to the Baisdens, including my ggrandmother, Eliza Ann (Baisden) Hager. I first started looking for him when he turned up living with my family in the 1900 Ks census. Gracie ============================ Name: John W. Hager Age: 5 Estimated birth year: <1875> Birthplace: West Virginia Occupation: At Home Relationship to head-of-household: Son Home in 1880: Harts Creek, Lincoln, West Virginia Marital status: Single Race: White Gender: Male Father's name: Joseph Hager Father's birthplace: VA Mother's name: Lucinda Hager Mother's birthplace: VA ---------------------------------------------------- Joseph HAGER Self M Male W 30 VA Farming VA VA Lucinda HAGER Wife M Female W 44 VA Keeping House KY VA Victora HAGER Dau S Female W 10 WV At Home VA VA Aaron HAGER Son S Male W 8 WV At Home VA VA John W. HAGER Son S Male W 5 WV At Home VA VA ------------------------------------------------------ Source Information: Census Place Harts Creek, Lincoln, West Virginia Family History Library Film 1255406 NA Film Number T9-1406 Page Number 176A Enumeration District: 65; . ======================================================= This is William McDaniel Hager, son of George Washington Hager and Eliza Ann Baisden, my ggrandparents. 1900 Battle Hill, McPherson Co., Ks. census. Hagar, William W M Apr. 1874 age 26 M 5 yrs Ks.WV.WV (My great uncle) wife: Amelia A. W F Aug. 1876 age 23 M 5yrs Ks. Italy Mo. (2-2) son: Charles W. /feb, 1896 4 Ks. Ks. Ks. daug: Ada L. Jan 1898 2 Ks. Ks. Ks. mother: Eliza Nov 1839 60 Wd. (6-6) WV.Uknown, uknown (My ggrandmother) sister: Lola B. Aug. 1865 34 WV. WV. WV. cousin: John W. Dec. 1876 23 WV. WV. WV. ********* brother Morgan P. Nov. 186? 31 WV.WV.WV. SIL: Hester J.( Aug. 1877 Ks Unkn. Mo. Niece Leona G. Sept. 1899 ?/12 Ks. Unkn. Mo. ---------------- two doors down. Hagar, George R. Dec 1860 39 mrd. 12 WV WV WV (My great uncle) wife: Isa D. July 1871 28 mrd. 12 Ill. Ill. Ohio. son: Arba A. Mar 1891 9 Ks WV Ill son: Wayne H. Mar 1893 7 Ks WV WV ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Battle Hill, McPherson, Kansas; Roll: T623 488; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 127. ======================================= Name: John Washington Hager City: Estep County: Boone State: West Virginia Birth Date: 8 Dec 1877 Race: White Roll: 1992328 DraftBoard: 0 --------------------------------------------- nearest relative: Joseph Hager (brother) Mud, Lincoln Co., Wv -------------------------------------------- height: short build: medium eyes: brown hair: black -------------------------------------------- date of registration: Sept 12, 1918 =========================================== Name: John Hager Age: 42 years Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Birthplace: West Virginia Race: White Home in 1920: Washington, Boone, West Virginia Sex: Male Marital status: Single Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Mother's Birth Place: West Virginia Father's Birth Place: West Virginia Image: 271 --------------------------------------------- Name Age George W Baisden 46 Emma E Baisden 36 Lacy E Baisden 14 Rosa Baisden 11 Leva Baisden 10 Clyde Baisden 8 Meda Baisden 6 John Hager 42 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Washington, Boone, West Virginia; Roll: T625_1949; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 175; Image: 271. ============================================= Name: Johnie Hayer (Hager) Home in 1930: Chapmanville, Logan, West Virginia Age: 52 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Birthplace: West Virginia Relation to Head of House: Lodger Race: White ------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Age Elbert Baisden 38 Susan Baisden 37 Virgie Baisden 12 Velva Baisden 10 Curtis Baisden 7 Dallas Baisden 5 Imogene Baisden 2 11/12 Emilene Baisden 2 11/12 Johnie Hager 52 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Chapmanville, Logan, West Virginia; Roll: 2540; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 6; Image: 290.0. ============================================== U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 Name: John Washington Hager Birth Date: 8 Dec 1877 Residence: Banco, Logan, West Virginia Birth: Lincoln, West Virginia Roll: WW2_2283499 ============================================== Death Record Detail... Name: John W./Hager Sex: Male Death Date: 13 Oct 1955 Death Place: Huntington, Cabell, West Virginia Age at Death: 78y 11m 5d Marital Status: S Spouse: Occupation: Farmer Address: Residence: Mother: Lucinda/Baisden Mother's Birth Place: Father: Joe/Hager Father's Birth Place: Notes for John Washington Hager: BOONE COUNTY'S LITTLE JOHNNY HAGER Written by Brandon R. Kirk and Dedicated to his Good Freind, Dolly(Hager) Bell In the early part of this century, two musicians traveled as a pair throughout West Virginia and spread the influence of their musical talents to fiddlers and banjo-pickers in countless towns and hamlets across the Mountain State. One of these men was Blind Ed Haley, a Logan County native, who has taken up the fiddle after being blinded by his father as a child. The other was Little Johnny Hager who, although born in Logan County, spent a great deal of his life in Boone County. John Washington Hager was born on December 8, 1876 to Joseph and Lucinda(Baisden) Hager, Sr. on Big Creek in Logan County, WV, near the Boone County line. His brothers and sisters were Victoria Hager (1869-1942) and Aaron Hager (c.1872-c.1884). During Johnny's childhood, his parents moved from their home at the North Fork of Big Creek in Logan County to the Big Ugly area where his family was listed in the Lincoln County Census of 1880. The mid-1880's brought great hardship for young Johnny Hager. His brother Aaron Hager died around 1884 at the age of twelve years old. His only surviving sibling Victoria married George Washington "Ticky George"Adams (1864-1940) around 1885 and moved to live among her in-laws on somewhat distant Big Harts Creek in Logan County. Johnny's teenage years were made even more tragic when his parents divorced due to his father's infidelity. Johnny accompanied his mother on a move out West where he spent the next twenty years of his life among Hager relatives already established in Kansas. Meanwhile, Joseph Hager, Sr. married his mistress, Armilda Adkins, and had the following children: Edward Hager (1887), JosephHager, Jr. (1888-1940), Eliza Hager (1891) and Olivia Hager. Joe Hager lived in the vicinity of the old Mud Post Office near the Lincoln-BooneCounty line. Just how long Johnny lived in Kansas has not been determined despite interviews with his close relatives. There is some indication that he and his mother lived in other Western states like Missouri prior to finally settling in Kansas. All the versions regarding Johnny's stay in Kansas are given below because any one of them might be true. His niece Roxie(Adams) Mullins told prior to her death that Johnny lived out West for six months. Johnny's half-niece Dolly (Hager) Bell thought that he came home from Kansas when he Twenty years old (circa 1896) or when he was aged in his twenties (circa 1896-1906). Hager's half-great nephew Jess Chambers said that he had been told Johnny lived in Kansas for twenty years, meaning that he would have returned to West Virginia around 1905.In the personal opinion of this author, accounts placing Johnny out West for several years seem at this time the most likely scenario simply because Johnny cannot be accounted for in the 1900 West Virginia Census. In any case, Kansas would have offered a West Virginia boy like Johnny Hager many new adventures. One can be sure that he spent a great portion of his time there working on the farm since he later described plowing fields into mile-long rows. While in Kansas, he also chauffeured female cousins into town on wagon rides. Dolly Bell suggested that Hager probably learned to play the banjo while in Kansas and Jess Chambers said of Hager, 'He played all his life." Johnny was self-taught and played the old clawhammer style on the banjo. According to tradition, Johnny's mother died during their stay in Kansas. Roxie Mullins stated that Lucinda Hager was buried on the banks of the Wabash River, located along the borders between Illinois and Indiana, and another source said that she died in Missouri. In any case, after Lucinda's death, Johnny remained out West for a short time before making his way back to West Virginia where he faced a lonely existence. His mother's death left a void in his life evidenced by the fact that Johnny always cried when he talked about his mother and said that he had lost"everything" when she died. Although Johnny's father Joseph was still alive after his return to West Virginia, Johnny was unable to forgive him for divorcing his mother and refused to associate with him. Sadly, Johnny also would not recognize Joseph's children by his second wife. The story is told about how his half-brother Joe Hager, excited when he found out the brother he had never met was back in West Virginia, went to see him on Sanders Branch at John Baisden's home. Joe rode up into the yard and yelled for his brother but Johnny wouldn't even come out and see him. In Johnny's eyes, his sister Victoria Adams was all that remained of his family and he spent a great deal of time boarding at her Harts Creek residence in Logan County. During Johnny's stay out West, Victoria had give birth to several children in a family which would grow to include Maggie "Mag" Adams (1887-1959), John C. "Johnny" Adams (1892), Anna Adams(1901-1982), Geronimo Adams (c.1903), Roxie Adams (1905-1993) and LolaAdams (1911). It is likely that Johnny spun great stories for the Adams children about his experiences in Kansas. Roxie Mullins remembered him as being "funnier than a monkey," Jess Chambers said he was a jolly fellow and Dolly Bell remembered that he loved to joke and laugh. Dave Brumfield, a great-nephew, said that he pranked with the Brumfield children when he visited his parent's home on the Smoke House Fork of Big Harts Creek in Logan County. After his return to West Virginia, Hager took immediate notice that there were a great number of mountain musicians who lived in the head of Bigharts Creek. His first cousin, Jefferson "Jig-Toe" Baisden (c.1884-1970),was a dancer and banjo-picker. J. E. "Ed" Belcher (1889-1970), who played several instruments, and Robert Martin, an Arthur Smith-style fiddler,were other significant musicians in the area. A blind fiddler from Trace Fork named Ed Haley was the one musician in particular who caught Hager's attention. His desire to absorb Haley's music was understandable because,as Jess Chambers stated, "It was a badge of honor to have played with Ed Haley." Hager was perhaps introduced to Haley by Jeff Baisden, who was a cousin to both men. Johnny could supposedly play any instrument and his trip out to Kansas allowed him to soak up a variety of western tunes and playing styles which were completely new to folks in Logan County. Both of these qualities, his diverse musical capabilities and his unique musical background, ensured that he an Ed Haley had many intense music sessions early in their relationship. According to Turley Adams, Johnny's great-nephew, Hager encouraged Ed to take his show on the road and volunteered to serve as Haley's "eyes" on such trips. This willingness to travel with Haley, coupled with his apparent competence as a musician, made Johnny a perfect sidekick to Ed. Haley and Hager were both unmarried, a convenience which allowed them to roam the country with few cares or responsibilities. Johnny and Ed traveled to various places in West Virginia but are particularly remembered up around the Calhoun-Clay County area north of Kanawha County. Aside from being populated with rugged type of people similar to Hager's neighbors in Logan and Boone Counties, the area was also endowed with a host of great mountain musicians. Haley and Hager wintered there as young men with a mountain fiddler named Lawrence"Laury" Hicks (1880-1937). Eugie (Hicks) Postalwaite of Akron, Ohio, a daughter of Laury Hicks, said that Ed and Johnny first came and visited her father in the early 1910's. Hager was a tall, slim banjo-picker who led Haley around during their travels. When Ed and Johnny left Laury's home in the spring, with Johnny leading the way, Eugie and her brother stood on the bank by the house and "hollered and cried after them." Most agree that Johnny's travels with Ed Haley ended around 1914 when Haley married a blind music instructor from Morehead in Rowan County,Kentucky. The Haley-Hager break-up was partly caused by Haley's marriage but rumor has it that Johnny was also somewhat "put off" by Ed's habit of cursing and drinking. Still, at later sessions--primarily when they were simultaneously visiting family on Big harts Creek. For the most part, the remainder of Hager's life was spent playing music while boarding with his Baisden kinfolk on the North Fork of Big Creek. Irene Hager, a daughter of Hubert E. and Mary (Pauley) Baisden, remembered Johnny playing music on her father's front porch in the late1920's. Her father, a banjo-picker, lived at Greenview and the Big Branch of Spruce River in Boone County. Hubert Baisden was Johnny's first cousin and Hager boarded there for several weeks at a time. One of Hager's chores at the Baisden home was to keep wood in the stove. Irene said that Johnny often talked about his early day travels with Ed Haley. Johnny Hager was a man with little roots and family, a fellow who never had a real home. Many from Harts Creek remember that Hager was simply from the "the North Fork of Big Creek." Dave Brumfield, a great-nephew, said the Hager stayed in that vicinity with a Thomas family. No doubt, this Thomas family was headed by Sampson Thomas who married Dicy Adams, a sister-in-law to , Johnny's sister Victoria Adams. Incidentally, just over the mountain from North Fork was the Broad Branch of Big Ugly Creek where lived a fiddler named Jefferson "Jeff" Duty (born about 1877). During Hager's stay on the North Fork, he probably visited this musician (and any others in this locality) to learn a few new licks. Hager also stayed with Simon and Bertha (Baisden) Bias on Bias Branch in Boone County. Mrs. Bias's grandfather, Riland Baisden, was a brother toJohnny Hager's mother. He spent a lot of time on the Garretts Fork of BigCreek with the Barkers before leaving them to stay with Wilson Craddock's family on Hewitts Creek in Boone County. Mr. Craddock's widow has a necklace which Johnny gave her during his time there. Lydia (Adkins)Johnson of Powderly, Texas recalled that Hager lived with her mother and father during her "growing up years at home" in the late 1920's and 1930's. Johnson "was born (around 1923) and raised in Boone Co. just over the hill from Chapmanville." Hager was a hard worker and was very efficient at "old-time" carpentry jobs and such tasks as digging wells. According to Johnson: (Johnny) was a handy man, & a fiddle player. (Sometimes) a neighbor would need him to come live with them, to build them an out house for them. He was noted for the best out houses, he earned his keep by living with & helping others. Lydia Johson described him as "a very neat man" and Dolly Bell agreed,stating that he always kept his hair cut and his face shaved. He never wore suits and never dated women so far as any of his family knew. In Irene (Baisden) Hager's words, he "was a pretty straight fellow" and Dave Brumfield said he never drank when visiting his father's home on Harts Creek. Johnny eventually reconciled with his father's other family and visited his half-brothers and sisters. Ed Hager lived in the coal fields before settling down on Turtle Creek the last twenty years of his life. He had two children: Curtis Hager of Turtle Creek and Ida (Hager) Ellis of Big Creek. Joe Hager settled on Mud River until the late 1930's when he moved to Turtle Creek. He had five children: Roy C. Hager, Hattie M. (Hager)Chambers of Lick Creek, Bernie G. Hager of Low Gap, Dolly (Hager) Bell ofMadison and Joseph Hager, Jr., of Mitchell Heights. Eliza Hager never married and lived with her sister Olivia (Hager) Miller on Turtle Creek. Mrs. Miller married Nathaniel Miller and never had any children. Dolly Bell recalled Johnny Hager visiting at her father's home as early as the mid-1930's. Johnny was a tiny man who weighed no more than 105 pounds. When he stayed at Joe Hager's on Turtle Creek, Alvis Justice usually came to visit him. Justice, a tremendous guitar player, was a brother to Dick Justice and had been encouraged by the Delmore Brothers to come to Nashville. On these visits. Johnny picked up his banjo and the two played all night long. Dolly Bell recalled that they "kept the family up half the night" and such was the entertainment of their music, that her father didn't mind at all. Johnny spent quite a bit of time with Joe Hager's son Bernie Hager on theBall Fork of Turtle Creek. Bernie was apparently inspired by his musicaltalents because he traded six or seven chickens for a banjo and had hisUncle Johnny to teach him how to play the old clawhammer style. Bernie'sson Ike recalled that, in spite of Little Johnny's skill on the banjo, hewas primarily a long-bow fiddler who never positioned the instrumentunder his chin (like Ed Haley). Hager played the guitar more in his oldage. He played such tunes as "Oh My Darlin' Nelly Gray," "Ballad of OldNumber Nine," "Wreck of '97," "Mockingbird on the Hill," "RosewoodCoffin," "Little Log Cabin," "Will There Be Any Stars in my Crown," "Inthe Pines," "John Hardy," and "Cripple Creek." Hager maintained his bond with his sister's family on Harts Creek in his later years. Although his sister Victoria died in 1942, he often visited with her son-in-law, Cecil Brumfield during the 1940's. Hager would just walk up to the Brumfield home when he was in the neighborhood and typically stayed for a week or so. Cecil's son Dave Brumfield described him as being "just an old happy person..." Johnny was clean-shaven and a neat-dresser. He did not work during his visits to the Brumfield home and told stories tot he the children. According to Mr. Brumfield, Hager was only a mediocre fiddler and singer these years and it is easy to assume that Hager's skill had no doubt been impaired by his advanced age. Hager played on Cecil Brumfield's fiddle at the home, as he never brought one of his own. According to June Jarrell, a granddaughter of Ed Hager, Johnny's family attempted to commit him to an institution where he could be cared for as an old man. Roxie Mullins offered to keep Hager for his remaining years but her family discouraged her from doing so. Supposedly, Johnny was boarding with Basil and Myrtle (Baisden) Duty in Chapmanville when he died on November 13, 1955. (Mrs. Duty was a daughter of John Baisden, one of Johnny's first cousins.) Johnny Hager was buried nearby his sister Victoria in the Adams Family Cemetery located just below the mouth of the Buck Fork of Big Harts Creek in Logan County. NOTE: The legacy of Johnny Hager's good friend Ed Haley is currently being explored by Nashville songwriter/musician John Hartford who is most known for his composition of the tune "Gentle on my Mind." Hartford's findings will be featured in a forthcoming book co-authored with Lincoln County native, Brandon R. Kirk. >From the Kith and Kin of Boone County, West Virginia Volume XXII Published by Boone County Genealogical Society Madison, West Virginia, 1997 More About John Washington Hager: Burial: Adams Family Cemetery, Buck Fork of Big Harts Creek, LoganCounty, West Virginia ================================================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Test > Thanks for trying cousin Gracie; Little John Hager was very close to our > Baisdens, on Big Creek,WV. I posted some info on him recently to the list, > but > have had no replys. > Cuz; > Shelby > > > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Its just been very quiet today Gracie Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gracie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: [WVLOGAN] Test > Just wondering if I am blocked from this mailing list. Or if it is > broken. > G > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are coming through girlfriend..... Beulah McLemore Keeping in Touch Keeps Friendship Growing -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gracie Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WVLOGAN] Test Just wondering if I am blocked from this mailing list. Or if it is broken. G ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have tried to post information on Little Johnny Hager, twice, have checked the archives. Neither post has gone through. G ----- Original Message ---- From: Ralph Sewell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:47:53 PM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Test Its just been very quiet today Gracie Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gracie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: [WVLOGAN] Test > Just wondering if I am blocked from this mailing list. Or if it is > broken. > G > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Beulah ----- Original Message ---- From: Beulah McLemore <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Test You are coming through girlfriend..... Beulah McLemore Keeping in Touch Keeps Friendship Growing -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gracie Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WVLOGAN] Test Just wondering if I am blocked from this mailing list. Or if it is broken. G ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Merle Travis was a young musician who grew up with his family, all mine workers. One day he got the inspiration for his big hit song : "Nine Pound Hammer". This was in the eastern Ky. coalfields. Verse #! This nine pound hammer, is just too heavy, for my size, buddy for my size. Rings like silver, sounds like gold, rings like silver sounds like gold. Chorus: Roll on buddy, pull your load of coal, buddy how can I pull, when the wheels wont go. Verse #2 Its a long way to Harlan, its a long way to Hazard, just to get a little booze, just to get a little booze. Verse #3 After im long gone, you cam make my tombstone, out of #9 coal, out of #9 coal. Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Good Johnny Cash song Shelby. I did not know that was where the song took place at. Thanks for the history lesson. K ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead RE K > Thanks, Judi; > Polly Ann was the wife of John Henry, the steel drivin', man, in the > ballad > of The Bend Tunnel, on New River, WV. > John Henry had a wife, and her name was Polly Ann;John Henry got sick, and > had to go to bed; Polly drove the steel like a man, Polly drove the steel > like a > man. > > Shelby > > > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You had a good family unit then. Both my grandpa's had died long before I was born, my grandpa on my mom's side died before she was born so she was the one they brought their babies to so she could blow in their mouth to get rid of the thrush. My daddy's dad was killed when a roof fell in on him in the coal mines at Verdunville. So I never had the pleasure of seeing either of them. Glad that you have fond memories. K ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] STURGELLS and BELCHERS > You are welcome. When I was growing up, I thought I was the luckiest girl > on > earth. I had two sets of grandparents, a set of step grandparents and set > of > great grandparents. How much more could you ask for? > > Anita </HTML> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Always when you see Polly it is Mary, I do not know why either. Like Margaret is Peggy, or Sarah is Sally. Country thing. I heard that song too. K ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead RE K > Hi, > Usually you can bet a cookie when you see a "Polly" that her real or given > name is "Mary". I do not have the answer as to why but the southern folks > nicked Mary as Polly. > If you are a listener of bluegrass music you might recall Ralph Stanley's > "Pretty Polly" song. I am sure he was singing of a Mary. > Some who know more than me like Shelby taught me this. > Happy Holidays, > Judi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dkb" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead > > > Joel > William did marry twice, and her name was Minerva. They were together in > 1870 census with Susan as 3. I do believe that Chloe was the last child > him > and Polly had together. He is 55 and Minerva is 35 in 1870. I had it in > my > old database but I have no marriage record for them. I wrote that Polly's > name was Minerva and it was actually Mary, my mistake. John is listed > with > his parents though in 1860 and not just with his mother. Thanks for > catching that and thanks for sending the death certificate site. > > K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hager, Joel G Mr CIV USA USAMC" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead > > >> K, >> >> I have William Mead m. 2nd Manerva Tiller bef. 1865. D/o William Mead >> and >> Manerva Tiller was Susan Meade. Susan Meade's death certificate. Her >> mother is listed as Manerva Evans. >> >> http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=1256612&Type=Death >> >> Joel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On >> Behalf Of dkb >> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:15 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead >> >> John Henry Meade was the son of William Meade and Minerva "Polly" Clark. >> >> Are you sure that you have the right John Henry Meade in that census >> year. >> William and Polly had children together until at least 1867. >> >> >> K >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 12:41 PM >> Subject: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead >> >> >>> Hello Logan County, >>> >>> I have a question for you. Does anyone know who the parents of John >>> Henry >>> Meade that married Pricilla Sturgell was? John was born in Logan County >>> in >>> about 1852 and is listed in the 1860 census with his mother, Mary and no >>> husband. >>> Was Mary a widow or did she have John out of wedlock? >>> >>> Please help if you can. >>> >>> Anita </HTML> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Logan List, I am finally going to make it over to look through Foley Cemetery for my great-uncle, William Gilbert Scarbro. Will be staying in Charleston one night then coming down 119 to 17. If I am not mistaken, Foley Cemetery is on 17? Can anyone tell me for sure and also if there is a sign? Thanks. Phyllis

Thanks, Judi; Polly Ann was the wife of John Henry, the steel drivin', man, in the ballad of The Bend Tunnel, on New River, WV. John Henry had a wife, and her name was Polly Ann;John Henry got sick, and had to go to bed; Polly drove the steel like a man, Polly drove the steel like a man. Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

I agree, I have four ancesters in the late 1800's named Mary and all were called Polly. I don't know why either. Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead RE K > Hi, > Usually you can bet a cookie when you see a "Polly" that her real or given > name is "Mary". I do not have the answer as to why but the southern folks > nicked Mary as Polly. > If you are a listener of bluegrass music you might recall Ralph Stanley's > "Pretty Polly" song. I am sure he was singing of a Mary. > Some who know more than me like Shelby taught me this. > Happy Holidays, > Judi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dkb" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead > > > Joel > William did marry twice, and her name was Minerva. They were together in > 1870 census with Susan as 3. I do believe that Chloe was the last child > him > and Polly had together. He is 55 and Minerva is 35 in 1870. I had it in > my > old database but I have no marriage record for them. I wrote that Polly's > name was Minerva and it was actually Mary, my mistake. John is listed > with > his parents though in 1860 and not just with his mother. Thanks for > catching that and thanks for sending the death certificate site. > > K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hager, Joel G Mr CIV USA USAMC" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead > > >> K, >> >> I have William Mead m. 2nd Manerva Tiller bef. 1865. D/o William Mead >> and >> Manerva Tiller was Susan Meade. Susan Meade's death certificate. Her >> mother is listed as Manerva Evans. >> >> http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=1256612&Type=Death >> >> Joel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On >> Behalf Of dkb >> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:15 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead >> >> John Henry Meade was the son of William Meade and Minerva "Polly" Clark. >> >> Are you sure that you have the right John Henry Meade in that census >> year. >> William and Polly had children together until at least 1867. >> >> >> K >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 12:41 PM >> Subject: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead >> >> >>> Hello Logan County, >>> >>> I have a question for you. Does anyone know who the parents of John >>> Henry >>> Meade that married Pricilla Sturgell was? John was born in Logan County >>> in >>> about 1852 and is listed in the 1860 census with his mother, Mary and no >>> husband. >>> Was Mary a widow or did she have John out of wedlock? >>> >>> Please help if you can. >>> >>> Anita </HTML> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Verse #1; 'Possum in the simmon tree Raccoon on the ground Raccoon says you sonofagun Shake dem simmons down Chorus : Here Rattler here, boy here Ratller here Call old Rattler from the barn here Rattler here. vs #2 Grandma had a muley cow muley when shes born took a jaybird forty years to fly from horn to horn Vs #3 Grandpa had a dog whos blind blind as he could be every night at suppertime I believe that dog could see. ps: Muley was a hornless cow; Rattler was a dog Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

You are welcome. When I was growing up, I thought I was the luckiest girl on earth. I had two sets of grandparents, a set of step grandparents and set of great grandparents. How much more could you ask for? Anita </HTML>

Hi, Usually you can bet a cookie when you see a "Polly" that her real or given name is "Mary". I do not have the answer as to why but the southern folks nicked Mary as Polly. If you are a listener of bluegrass music you might recall Ralph Stanley's "Pretty Polly" song. I am sure he was singing of a Mary. Some who know more than me like Shelby taught me this. Happy Holidays, Judi ----- Original Message ----- From: "dkb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead Joel William did marry twice, and her name was Minerva. They were together in 1870 census with Susan as 3. I do believe that Chloe was the last child him and Polly had together. He is 55 and Minerva is 35 in 1870. I had it in my old database but I have no marriage record for them. I wrote that Polly's name was Minerva and it was actually Mary, my mistake. John is listed with his parents though in 1860 and not just with his mother. Thanks for catching that and thanks for sending the death certificate site. K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hager, Joel G Mr CIV USA USAMC" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead > K, > > I have William Mead m. 2nd Manerva Tiller bef. 1865. D/o William Mead and > Manerva Tiller was Susan Meade. Susan Meade's death certificate. Her > mother is listed as Manerva Evans. > > http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=1256612&Type=Death > > Joel > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of dkb > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:15 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead > > John Henry Meade was the son of William Meade and Minerva "Polly" Clark. > > Are you sure that you have the right John Henry Meade in that census year. > William and Polly had children together until at least 1867. > > > K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 12:41 PM > Subject: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead > > >> Hello Logan County, >> >> I have a question for you. Does anyone know who the parents of John >> Henry >> Meade that married Pricilla Sturgell was? John was born in Logan County >> in >> about 1852 and is listed in the 1860 census with his mother, Mary and no >> husband. >> Was Mary a widow or did she have John out of wedlock? >> >> Please help if you can. >> >> Anita </HTML> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joel William did marry twice, and her name was Minerva. They were together in 1870 census with Susan as 3. I do believe that Chloe was the last child him and Polly had together. He is 55 and Minerva is 35 in 1870. I had it in my old database but I have no marriage record for them. I wrote that Polly's name was Minerva and it was actually Mary, my mistake. John is listed with his parents though in 1860 and not just with his mother. Thanks for catching that and thanks for sending the death certificate site. K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hager, Joel G Mr CIV USA USAMC" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead > K, > > I have William Mead m. 2nd Manerva Tiller bef. 1865. D/o William Mead and > Manerva Tiller was Susan Meade. Susan Meade's death certificate. Her > mother is listed as Manerva Evans. > > http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=1256612&Type=Death > > Joel > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of dkb > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:15 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead > > John Henry Meade was the son of William Meade and Minerva "Polly" Clark. > > Are you sure that you have the right John Henry Meade in that census year. > William and Polly had children together until at least 1867. > > > K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 12:41 PM > Subject: [WVLOGAN] John Henry Mead > > >> Hello Logan County, >> >> I have a question for you. Does anyone know who the parents of John >> Henry >> Meade that married Pricilla Sturgell was? John was born in Logan County >> in >> about 1852 and is listed in the 1860 census with his mother, Mary and no >> husband. >> Was Mary a widow or did she have John out of wedlock? >> >> Please help if you can. >> >> Anita </HTML> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anita Thank you for sharing that wonderful story about Catherine. How sweet. K ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] STURGELLS and BELCHERS > Catherine Elizabeth Sturgell Buzzard Runyon, daughter of Eli Sturgell and > Mary Alice Belcher was my great grandmother. My sister fondly named her > the > "June July Fairy Godmother, Queen of the dog-eared Reader's Digest." She > was a > wonderful woman and we were blessed to have her in our lives. > > Anita > > PS Thanks for your help. </HTML> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >