Happy New Year! I think know the answer to the riddle, but will give others a chance to figure it out...<grin> Great way to start the new year by making us think! Dodie [email protected] wrote: "Supposedly an 1848 Epitaph in Paris, Va" Here lies: 2 grandmothers, with their 2 granddaughters; 2 fathers, with their 2 wives; 2 mothers, with their 2 sons; 2 sisters, with their 2 brothers; Yet but 6 corpses in all lie buried here, All born legitimate, from incest clear. Can anyone solve it? I can do okay till I get to the 2 sisters with their 2 brothers. Someone please solve it and let me know. VA in VA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Grandmother Baisden always cooked a pot of cabbage, with a coin inserted, so we would have food & money also during the new year. My mom carried over the tradition, but omitted the coin; maybe that was the reason we had little money afterwards ! makes one wonder.grin. im just wishing for another brick to be removed from my Workman wall.All my other walls have tumbled. Happy New Year ! Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

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Shelby, Here is the information on this family. Joel 1. Charles French Hager-[294137],1 son of Benjamin 'Ben' Floyd Hager-[25608] and Louisa Jane Baldwin-[34436], was born on 15 May 1874 in Hewett Creek, Logan County, West Virginia,2 died on 18 Feb 1952 in Davin, Triadelphia Dist., Logan County, West Virginia 1, 2 at age 77, and was buried in Harts, Harts Creek Dist., Lincoln County, West Virginia. General Notes: http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=594103&Type=Birth Noted events in his life were: Census: 1910, Harvey Dist., Mingo County, West Virginia. Charles married Louvernie Ellis-[229020] [MRIN: 14725], daughter of William Riley Ellis-[220419] and Martha Vance-[134505], in Oct 1895 in Logan County, West Virginia. Louvernie was born on 11 Nov 1874 in Lincoln County, West Virginia, died on 5 Nov 1947 in Harts, Harts Creek Dist., Lincoln County, West Virginia at age 72, and was buried on 7 Nov 1947 in Hager Cemetery, Lincoln County, West Virginia. Other names for Louvernie were Lieurana Ellis, and Louisusana Ellis. Marriage Notes: http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=10888944&Type=Marriage General Notes: http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=1174697&Type=Death Children from this marriage were: 2 F i. Mauda May Hager-[241034] was born in Mar 1897 in Mingo County, West Virginia. 3 M ii. Herbert Hager-[153862] was born in Oct 1898 in Mingo County, West Virginia and died in Y. 4 M iii. Everett Day Hager-[109772] was born on 12 Jan 1900 in Harvey Dist., Mingo County, West Virginia and died in Jun 1970 in David, Floyd County, Kentucky at age 70. Everett married Mary 'Polly' Meade-[312624] [MRIN: 113206], daughter of B. F. Meade-[312625] and Frovier-[312626], on 20 May 1926 in Mingo County, West Virginia. Mary was born about 1905 in West Virginia. Marriage Notes: http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=10171262&Type=Marriage Everett next married Hallie 'Kate' Justice-[109773] [MRIN: 74905], daughter of George Justice-[218261] and Bertha Lester-[109775], on 3 Feb 1928 in Landville, Triadelphia Dist., Logan County, West Virginia. Hallie was born about 1911 in Mingo County, West Virginia. 5 M iv. Lawrence Hager-[278271] was born about 1902 in West Virginia and died on 23 May 1920 in Logan County, West Virginia about age 18. Noted events in his life were: Cause of death (2): Mine Accident. 6 F v. Louisusana Hager-[153867] was born about 1902 in Mingo County, West Virginia. 7 F vi. Mary Hager-[241013] was born about 1905 in Mingo County, West Virginia. 8 F vii. Martha Jane Hager-[153866] was born about 1907 in Mingo County, West Virginia and died in Y. Martha married Julius Adams-[312741] [MRIN: 113261], son of Solomon Adams-[258769] and Ellen E. Curry-[264653], on 23 Jun 1926 in Mingo County, West Virginia. Julius was born about 1908 in Logan County, West Virginia. Marriage Notes: http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=10171300&Type=Marriage 9 F viii. Bertha Hager-[229021] was born on 15 May 1910 in Harvey Dist., Mingo County, West Virginia and died in Y. 10 F ix. Mellves Hager-[181932] was born about 1914 in Mingo County, West Virginia and died in Y. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [WVLOGAN] Charles F. Hager Info wanted on Charles F. Hager. He is listed in the Mingo co. 1910 census as a household head, in Harvey district. His wife was Louvena. They had seven small children, Who were the parents of Charles F ? Thanks. Shelby B. ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Info wanted on Charles F. Hager. He is listed in the Mingo co. 1910 census as a household head, in Harvey district. His wife was Louvena. They had seven small children, Who were the parents of Charles F ? Thanks. Shelby B. ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Judi, Thank you for sharing this, my aunt, Jewel Dempsey Meade's father was killed in this mining accident. K ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: [WVLOGAN] 1960 at the Island Creek Coal Co. No. 22 mine in Holden,W. Va > Hello all, > I was looking for something else and came across this: > This is a retirement area in Fla. > The article includes a picture also. > Judi > > Tuesday December 25, 2007 > http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2006/01/05/villages/villages01.txt > John Hubbard, second from left in the group photo, spent 42 years in the > mining industry including being a member of a mining rescue team at the > Island Creek Coal Company in Holden, W.Va. George Horsford Daily Sun > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Stanley; I read with interest your story on the church benefit pie socials.We had a similar pageant at Chapmanville High school each year, to raise money for the school's needs.George Chapman was the MC. He was a professional salesman, so he did all he could to raise money at the annual events. One year, they held a 'meanest boy' contest. George Yeager was the champ at this, and walked off with a sack of flour as the prize, exclaiming " Mama will bake some good biscuits with this , "grin. Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

I expect to receive some stories about variations on this practice from our early "church-goin" days in southern WV. STAN Pie socials were held a few times each year to raise money for our church. Since we were usually broke, my young friends and I were simply eager bystanders. We could count on being included when it came time to start cutting and eating. There never was a shortage. This was no place for a diabetic; sweets would serve as appetizers, entrées and desserts on this night. We would not have missed a pie social even if threatened with bodily harm. Besides, it was a time when we could attend church and not have to listen to a sermon. Pies and cakes were all donated by members of the church. In preparation for the big event, the women and girls spent hours toiling in their hot kitchens preparing cakes and pies for sales and awards. Each girl would bring a pie in hopes that it would be purchased at auction by the right person. They and their mothers made additional pies and cakes to be used in cakewalks and other events. The typical program at a pie social included, cake walks, pie and cake auctions, and my favorite of all, the pretty-girls cake. The cakewalk came first. Boys and girls, men and women, people of all ages paired up and joined in. Naturally, each of those who were single had a special person whom they would choose to be their partner. Each participating couple was required to ante up a certain amount of money, for which they were entitled to gamble in church without feeling guilty. They formed a circle of couples all around the inside walls of the church and at a prearranged signal all the couples began to march in lock-step around the church perimeter while Louetta pounded and pumped away at the organ. A short time later the leader of the event yelled, “Stop!” The music stopped and everyone quit marching. The couple who was standing behind a special line on the floor won the pie or cake. Along with the award came the privilege of eating it together. They repeated the same drill until all the pies and cakes designated for the cake walks were gone. The events became more expensive as the night wore on. The pies, which were normally baked by single women, were sold to the highest bidder, who was most often a single man. Theoretically, no one was supposed to know which pie went with which girl, but it never worked out that way. The girls always leaked the information to their favorite male friends so they would know in which pies they were to invest their life savings. Thus, the pie auctions pitted young men against one another in bidding wars for pies baked by particular girls. Eminent bankruptcy would not have stopped a single man from continuing to bid if he was in danger of losing out to a rival who, by tradition, would get both the pie and the girl for that evening. Later I would experience this lesson first hand. I attended a pie social at the old grade school in Sabine, West Virginia, and spent a good portion of a weeks pay to win a pie brought by Connie Bailey, the prettiest girl there. Fifty-seven plus years, one son and one daughter, two granddaughters and two great grandsons later, I can unabashedly say it was the best investment I ever made. Like the pie auctions, the pretty-girl prize was awarded to the person who was willing to spend the most. Only now it got ruthless as fathers joined in the fray to have their daughters recognized as the prettiest girl in the church. Each girl who participated in the contest entered a cake, and votes, which cost a penny or more apiece, were cast for the different cakes dependent upon which one each voter thought was the best. Votes could be entered any time throughout the evening. It was the same as the auctions except now it placed the girls in direct competion with one another. In actuality, people voted for the girls, not her cake, and the contest carried the connotation that the winner was the prettiest girl. There were many variations on this theme, such as paying to vote for a school queen. One year, Mr. Easter spent a pocket full of money to have his daughter, Mildred, named Oceana High School Queen. Pie socials have lost favor in most modern churches. They have more sophisticated ways of getting our money.

Hi Judi; You requested the song titles I believe, in the album I got for xmas (Heaven Bound); the best of bluegrass gospel. Some of these songs were recorded half a century ago # 1. Get in line brother,if you want to go home, by Flatt & Scruggs. #2. Im using my bible for a roadmap, by Reno & Smiley. #3. Beautiful star of Bethleham, by Ralph Stanley . #4. How great thou art, by Osborne bros #5. Were you there, byBill Monroe. #6. Green pastures, by Emma Lou Harris, and 12 other songs from the past.Im really enjoying these old favorites ! Cousin Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Shelby, Thanks, those are good ones. Judi ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Merry Christmas Hi Judi; You requested the song titles I believe, in the album I got for xmas (Heaven Bound); the best of bluegrass gospel. Some of these songs were recorded half a century ago # 1. Get in line brother,if you want to go home, by Flatt & Scruggs. #2. Im using my bible for a roadmap, by Reno & Smiley. #3. Beautiful star of Bethleham, by Ralph Stanley . #4. How great thou art, by Osborne bros #5. Were you there, byBill Monroe. #6. Green pastures, by Emma Lou Harris, and 12 other songs from the past.Im really enjoying these old favorites ! Cousin Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a copy of the 1910 Mingo Co. census. Will do lookups.This was prepared by the late Shelby Fleming Phillips. Shelby B. ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hello all, I was looking for something else and came across this: This is a retirement area in Fla. The article includes a picture also. Judi Tuesday December 25, 2007 http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2006/01/05/villages/villages01.txt John Hubbard, second from left in the group photo, spent 42 years in the mining industry including being a member of a mining rescue team at the Island Creek Coal Company in Holden, W.Va. George Horsford Daily Sun

Laura, That would be a wonderful Christmas present for us all. Thank you for sharing!! Also, I want to wish a Merry Christmas to all of my many Logan County cousins. God Bless you all!! Evelyn Wilburn Sukey ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:26:28 -0500 From: "Laura Loding" <[email protected]> Subject: [WVLOGAN] Merry Christmas! To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" My fellow Logan County Researchers: Have a blessed Christmas and a Happy New Year. May all your brick walls come tumbling down during 2008. I have a cousin who sent me a map (hand drawn) of Elk Creek c. 1910. I'm going to be posting that on the Loganwv.net website sometime during the next week. It shows who lived where. Laura No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: 12/24/2007 11:19 AM

Shelby, I can't wait to hear what songs and what singers!!! cousin Judi ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Merry Christmas Hello Judi; I know how you love music; so do I. I 'peeked' at one of my gifts (Best Of Bluegrass Gospel) I can hardly wait to play them ! Have a wonderful Christmas, and a joyful new year ! Cuz, Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My fellow Logan County Researchers: Have a blessed Christmas and a Happy New Year. May all your brick walls come tumbling down during 2008. I have a cousin who sent me a map (hand drawn) of Elk Creek c. 1910. I'm going to be posting that on the Loganwv.net website sometime during the next week. It shows who lived where. Laura -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Merry Christmas Hello Judi; I know how you love music; so do I. I 'peeked' at one of my gifts (Best Of Bluegrass Gospel) I can hardly wait to play them ! Have a wonderful Christmas, and a joyful new year ! Cuz, Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Judi; I know how you love music; so do I. I 'peeked' at one of my gifts (Best Of Bluegrass Gospel) I can hardly wait to play them ! Have a wonderful Christmas, and a joyful new year ! Cuz, Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Thanks Jim Burgess -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Allen family Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 6:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Nancy BROWNING married James Smith That death record for Nancy Browning Smith is also listed in the first Logan County Births and Deaths book by Donna Brown. The record (without any annotations) said that Nancy's parents were Simon and M. Browning. The year was 1876. Vanessa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shelby, That would be George and Nancy Smith from the Kith & Kin Volume II 1850 Annotated Census for Boone County. No Browning for Nancy. I believe James P. Smith that married Nancy Browning is the brother of Ezekiel Smith. George Smith was in Logan County. Ezekiel Smith died in Lincoln County abt. 1894. His wife Rebecca Dotson was in the 1900 Lincoln County census. Joel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 5:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WVLOGAN] Nancy BROWNING married James Smith My two cents worth on James & Nancy (Browning) Smith ; Ezekial Smith, the Smith patriarch of Boone County, was listed as the s/o James & Nancy Smith, in the 1850 census.I wonder if they migrated from Logan,Kanawha,Cabell counties ? Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

IF anyone have a connection to Gideon Smith born abt 1700 PA , would enjoy hearing from you. His wife was Eleanor Elizabeth Echols . In 1746 , Smith purchased 253 acres on the Dan River in Lunenburg (later Halifax) County. VA . They had two daughters Keziah [ married John Dean ] and Penninal [married Thomas Robertson ] Keziah Smith and husband John Dean's son John Dean born 1765 died 1846 Wayne Co. WV [ his wife was Hannah Marshall - Eleanor Eliz Echols Smith married William Murphy after Gideon Smith died. Gideon abt 1756-1760 Gideon had a brother Daniel Smith married Frances Evans . I thought maybe with John Dean son of Keziah Smith Dean's son living in Wayne Co. WV maybe there was a connection to this Smith line . I know SMITH is a very common name. The Smith River / Mountain in VA was to of been named after Gideon and his brother . I do not know much on my Gideon Smith. he was my 7th GF . Thanks and Merry Christmas to everyone. Patty **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Correction: Ezekiel Smith was listed as the s/o of George & Nancy Smith, in the 1850 Boone census. Shelby ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)