I will add my 2 cents on this subject. Fertilizer or lack of it was another reason to search out new ground. After 3-4 years of farming a piece of ground it was worn out as the people of that period would say . So the lure of new and fertile ground in distance places was enough for these people to move in hopes of a better life. Plus land grants Mine migrates to east Tn. Another reason the farther they could remove them selves from the governing bodies of the east , The better of they were. One needs to look at the migration into the Shenandoah valley from Md. after the whiskey war. These people did not feel the government had a right to tax their whiskey or any thing else they had worked so hard for. So they migrated to the hills of VA-WVA-KY in hopes of putting distance between them and those who wish to tax them. This was probably one of the reason for the western movements. Just a thought. My roots run deep into VA-WVA. Wetzel county was named after my line of Wetzel's. A lot of these people were Palatine German's and because most were related in some form or the other had a tendency to migrate togather. Robert Whetsel Radford Va. ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Shepard<mailto:dshep8505@msn.com> To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com<mailto:wvhardy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] United Brethren Church & Stover Family Thanks David a great clarification. I am sure some will question for "financial" reasons that there was such a great migration. I tend to lean for the "land grant" option. My family, LANDES, were will established in Hardy but with the population increasing so and the lands shrinking, my family left to get more land ,stay with the ones they believed the same way as they did, and able to give something to their future generations. I am with you, one sentence will not tell each individual families reason "Why". Yours, Don S. >From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net<mailto:heraldry@meer.net>> >Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com<mailto:wvhardy@rootsweb.com> >To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com<mailto:wvhardy@rootsweb.com>> >Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] United Brethren Church & Stover Family >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:29:24 -0400 > >If one tries to sum up the movement west into a sentence ("there was more >work there") or ("the game was plentiful") it will certainly overlook the >bigger picture which is complicated, convoluted, and to understand it one >needs threads back 200 years earlier. There had been a fast-running land >grab going on for two generations by the time of 1810, in the west, >wherever >the "west" happened to be at that moment. Ohio had been opened up for >settlement in the late 1790s and the Federal Government had it ceded by >Virginia in the complex negotiations after the Revolution. There they laid >off one region as "military lands" to pay off the promises made to the >soldiers in the Continental army. Meanwhile immigration had not slowed >alot >but would shift from time to time as to where the immigrants were coming >from. as in the 1600s and early 1700s the settled regions began to get >more >crowded and the "population center" of the US gradually moved west into >areas (like Ohio) where there was land available for settlement. While I >have not personally studied the move into Ohio (it is after 1800 and >therefor loses my interest) it is little different from earlier ones. >INDIVIDUALS could go for their own varied reasons. They may simply have >been falling in with the moving center of population looking for land >grants >(the word "grant" being key) since in more settled areas (like the Tygart >Valley)the best land had been taken up at least as the best lands went and >there was little but hilly foothills and mountain land left which was being >gobbled up by speculators in spite of the efforts of leftists in the 1770s >to draft legislation to stop that. Some (like my ancestor Cornelius >Bogard) >went to Ohio to get away FROM something (in his case a financial disaster >having to do with holding public office and land speculation), and I >believe >(although controversial) that some were going home. Some who were held >captive as a child in Ohio by the Indians before 1781 or later had good >experiences there and may have just went back. I once read an e-mail from >a >person who said "they would go to Ohio and buy land and then sell it for >less than they paid so they could move to Indiana to do it all over again" >(!!). This I think was finally published in a family history. From my >experience it is not habitual for people to move 300 miles to take a >financial loss with a motive to move another 300 miles to take another. >That is where some folks can get in trouble trying to sum up historical >events in a sentence. Genealogy lends itself well to the identification of >individuals and family connections but the genealogist may want to be >cautious before they publish their interpretation of historical trends. >Why >the forbears may have gone to Ohio is insanely complicated and a fine >family >history can be written if one can place their ancestor's particular >experience in the bigger picture of a developing America. If you can sum >it >up in a sentence it may be best to leave it out. > >Best regards, > >David Armstrong, >Elkins, WV > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip<http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Robert, What was your family that went to east TN, and where in east TN? I have the John WILSON family that was from around the South Branch area & they went to Greene Co., TN ca 1786. Thanks, Donna -----Original Message----- From: wvhardy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvhardy-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Robert Whetsel Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 8:14 PM To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] United Brethren Church & Stover Family I will add my 2 cents on this subject. Fertilizer or lack of it was another reason to search out new ground. After 3-4 years of farming a piece of ground it was worn out as the people of that period would say . So the lure of new and fertile ground in distance places was enough for these people to move in hopes of a better life. Plus land grants Mine migrates to east Tn. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0640-1, 10/03/2006 Tested on: 10/3/2006 2:26:19 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
On my question to Robert--- Sorry----I didn't change the subject line. Thanks, Donna I will add my 2 cents on this subject. Fertilizer or lack of it was another reason to search out new ground. After 3-4 years of farming a piece of ground it was worn out as the people of that period would say . So the lure of new and fertile ground in distance places was enough for these people to move in hopes of a better life. Plus land grants Mine migrates to east Tn. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0640-1, 10/03/2006 Tested on: 10/3/2006 2:28:02 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
rob't whetsel had some good info on migration. s >From: "Robert Whetsel" <whetsel7@msn.com> >Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] United Brethren Church & Stover Family >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:14:14 -0400 > > I will add my 2 cents on this subject. Fertilizer or lack of it was >another reason to search out new ground. After 3-4 years of farming a piece >of ground it was worn out as the people of that period would say . So the >lure of new and fertile ground in distance places was enough for these >people to move in hopes of a better life. Plus land grants > Mine migrates to east Tn. Another reason the farther they could remove >them selves from the governing bodies of the east , The better of they >were. One needs to look at the migration into the Shenandoah valley from >Md. after the whiskey war. These people did not feel the government had a >right to tax their whiskey or any thing else they had worked so hard for. >So they migrated to the hills of VA-WVA-KY in hopes of putting distance >between them and those who wish to tax them. This was probably one of the >reason for the western movements. Just a thought. > My roots run deep into VA-WVA. Wetzel county was named after my line >of Wetzel's. A lot of these people were Palatine German's and because most >were related in some form or the other had a tendency to migrate togather. > >Robert Whetsel >Radford Va. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: D. Shepard<mailto:dshep8505@msn.com> > To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com<mailto:wvhardy@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] United Brethren Church & Stover Family > > > Thanks David a great clarification. I am sure some will question for > "financial" reasons that there was such a great migration. I tend to >lean > for the "land grant" option. My family, LANDES, were will established in > Hardy but with the population increasing so and the lands shrinking, my > family left to get more land ,stay with the ones they believed the same >way > as they did, and able to give something to their future generations. > I am with you, one sentence will not tell each individual families >reason > "Why". > Yours, Don S. > > > >From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net<mailto:heraldry@meer.net>> > >Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com<mailto:wvhardy@rootsweb.com> > >To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com<mailto:wvhardy@rootsweb.com>> > >Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] United Brethren Church & Stover Family > >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:29:24 -0400 > > > >If one tries to sum up the movement west into a sentence ("there was >more > >work there") or ("the game was plentiful") it will certainly overlook >the > >bigger picture which is complicated, convoluted, and to understand it >one > >needs threads back 200 years earlier. There had been a fast-running >land > >grab going on for two generations by the time of 1810, in the west, > >wherever > >the "west" happened to be at that moment. Ohio had been opened up for > >settlement in the late 1790s and the Federal Government had it ceded by > >Virginia in the complex negotiations after the Revolution. There they >laid > >off one region as "military lands" to pay off the promises made to the > >soldiers in the Continental army. Meanwhile immigration had not slowed > >alot > >but would shift from time to time as to where the immigrants were >coming > >from. as in the 1600s and early 1700s the settled regions began to get > >more > >crowded and the "population center" of the US gradually moved west into > >areas (like Ohio) where there was land available for settlement. While >I > >have not personally studied the move into Ohio (it is after 1800 and > >therefor loses my interest) it is little different from earlier ones. > >INDIVIDUALS could go for their own varied reasons. They may simply >have > >been falling in with the moving center of population looking for land > >grants > >(the word "grant" being key) since in more settled areas (like the >Tygart > >Valley)the best land had been taken up at least as the best lands went >and > >there was little but hilly foothills and mountain land left which was >being > >gobbled up by speculators in spite of the efforts of leftists in the >1770s > >to draft legislation to stop that. Some (like my ancestor Cornelius > >Bogard) > >went to Ohio to get away FROM something (in his case a financial >disaster > >having to do with holding public office and land speculation), and I > >believe > >(although controversial) that some were going home. Some who were held > >captive as a child in Ohio by the Indians before 1781 or later had good > >experiences there and may have just went back. I once read an e-mail >from > >a > >person who said "they would go to Ohio and buy land and then sell it >for > >less than they paid so they could move to Indiana to do it all over >again" > >(!!). This I think was finally published in a family history. From my > >experience it is not habitual for people to move 300 miles to take a > >financial loss with a motive to move another 300 miles to take another. > >That is where some folks can get in trouble trying to sum up historical > >events in a sentence. Genealogy lends itself well to the >identification of > >individuals and family connections but the genealogist may want to be > >cautious before they publish their interpretation of historical trends. > >Why > >the forbears may have gone to Ohio is insanely complicated and a fine > >family > >history can be written if one can place their ancestor's particular > >experience in the bigger picture of a developing America. If you can >sum > >it > >up in a sentence it may be best to leave it out. > > > >Best regards, > > > >David Armstrong, > >Elkins, WV > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes > >in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get today's hot entertainment gossip >http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip<http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com> with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline