attn: sue wilson. while perusing my recent notes from trip to moorefield i hit a bingo for us, sue, perhaps? know how you experience that genealogical serendipity? copied a marriage record because it had name druilla tharp. then thought "my druilla is a hulver". but she married a tharp!!!!!!!!! and get this, sue, the marriage was her son, james, to jane hulver. well while looking over old notes from billy kohne's day books i noted that james is brother to lydia and suspect that is the lydia you mentioned in an old email to me. hopefully we can prove the connection now between our wilsons, isaac and your hayden. perhaps barbara wilson is not their sister. (would have sent this to you but unfortunately the email i brought with me is to this hardy site and not yours.) john, in email from jun 30, you listed jac. and barb. tetes' children: per billy kohne's day books, susan is eldest. show no annette but you show no lavila viola which i have as child #10. you show saviatte where i have a sarah born #7. george should be geo. washington child #4 whose obit in winchester, va. says he was well known civil war soldier. then show david and jehu. john, then mary called etta as child 3, laban wilson is child 2, jacob child #9, and virginia as youngest of 11 living with another born unnamed in 1860 per birth records at moorefield. not real clear on order of david and jehu and it has been long time since saw these day books. do not know if this will help. s susan laban wilson (mary) etta george washington david sarah jehu john jacob (lavila) viola virginia unnamed born 1860 _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG

attn: darrell tusing, found these names in 2 books that perused recently on loan. "benjamin jenkins sr." by ratliff bonnie irene cullers daughter of lawrence "dick" tusing ernest eugene tusing hannah t. john paul t. son of william tusing and kate lester t. levonne grace t. marie mae t. nellie pauline t. mary dee t. samuel t. debra t. "descendants of johann jacob dispionit" by croft elwood tusing ernest eugene t. gary lee t. howard don t. john paul t. kate and william t. marie mae t. nellie pauline t. susan t. there are some of these names repeated in above title fyi, s _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx

I want to thank everyone who replied to my query on Elizabeth Massey / Wilson m. George Stump. I apologize for the late delay in responding as the activities of my grandchildren overtook the generations of the past in priority. I encourage everyone to keep hope that we will find clues to unravel the story of our ancestors. After years and years of research I found renewed interest in genealogy at my mothers family reunion. We are recruiting new generations of computer savy researchers! Now that I know some of the Wilson went to Greene Co TN I can start looking there for clues as well. Thank you all! Jo Ann Reynolds Georgetown, IL Researching: Stump, Neff, Wilson, Sandusky - Sadowski, Innskeep in Hampshire Hardy C W VA --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.

Donna: You wrote a message awhile back on John and Susannah Wilson. There must be two families of John and Susannah Wilson. My husband's 3x great grandparents John and Susannah, didn't go to Tennesee from what I can determine. (or Did your John and Susannah come back to Hardy County?) John died in Hardy County in 1847. I thought our Susannah's maiden name was Couchman. (I will have to look at my files again). Your John was born ca 1761. If it is the same John, he would have been 86 when he died. After John's death, she married his brother, Cranmore Wilson. Those of us researching this family has decided that John's father was Henry Wilson who shows up in the records of Hardy County in the 1770's. Henry's will shows sons: John and Cranmore. I haven't been able to get Henry back further. His wife was Martha, according to his will. There are 4 listings for a marriage of Henry Wilson and a Martha Stewart in the IGI - in the Pennsylvania area but I have never had time to pursue these. Someone else had the John and Susannah family that went to Tennessee. Was that you, Sue Dietz? Wilson is such a common name as is John. I also run into a John Wilson problem with my husband's great-grandfather and his Civil War service. They have his birthdate wrong it appears because everything else including an article from Elkins is our John. I will be interested to see what you have. Sue Wilson

In a message dated 8/16/2006 4:10:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ASBlocker@aol.com writes: Her mother was a Welton and her grandfather was Job Welton m. Mary McQuire. I believe Job Welton was a census enumerator. Gary Radcliffe - Had ancestors on Loony's Creek.

Re: Rio as a place name. A 1926 topological map uses the name Rio. In "Stray Recollections of a Private in Co. C., 7th Virginia Cavalry," written in 1900 by a pseudonymous "Rex," published in The History of Edinburg, Va., and reprinted by Mary Ann Williamson in "Union Forge, Shenandoah County, Virginia" "Rex" wrote: "At night about midnight we sought a place to rest, two miles south of Rio, and put up at the house of Mr. Wise...." A list of place names at the web site of W. Va. Division of Culture and History lists Rio, Hampshire Co., with a date of 1881. Jim Funkhouser

Wow. Familiar names. You are all still there. I am planning a genealogy trip this fall to Hardy County. My most recent relative was born there in 1794, Jane Magill Shobe. Her mother was a Welton and her grandfather was Job Welton m. Mary McQuire. Other than the Looney's Creek area, I want to trace Mary's parents who are buried in Hampshire County (which may now be Hardy). Any suggestions about who to see and where to go would be most welcome. I want to stick my toe in the Potomac, take pictures, gather leaves for nieces and nephews not yet interested in ancestors and get as much information as I can. Someone has suggested that I can learn just as much by staying home and searching the Internet. Thanks, Anne Blocker

Hello--- Since my Post Office is Rio, I live in Rock Oak on Mt. Olive Road, I know the area very well. As far as the name Rio---Folks have told me it was called North River. Sometime within a few years either side of WWII (i can't remember precisely) the US Postal Service wanted to shorten the lengthy names of some of the post offices, especially those that weren't single words and they held a contest. Someone put in "Rio" because it was short and contained the "river" meaning. At least that is what I have been told by those who were old enough to have been adults at the time. Sorry, it isn't as colorful as your theory, Mark. It sounds a lot better to suppose it had some commemoration of S-A War and Teddy Roosevelt----but the truth is just not as exciting.... : ) Terry Mark See wrote: > Yes Sue, I am here. > I always wondered where Rio got it's name (usually pronounced RYE-Oh). > I always thought that it might be a post Mexican War Thing. > > It is North - North East of Baker on Highway 29 along the Hardy/Hampshire Border. Amusingly enough it is just past Arkansas. Rock Oak is due West of Rio. > > Both are a bit more off of the beaten path that the Lost River Valley. Well, they were before Corridor H, at least. > > 1930Sue Dietz <mandsdietz@hotmail.com> wrote: > where are rock oak and rio, w.v.? anybody know where cemeteries in these > areas are? mark see, are you out there? s > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > Sincerely, > > Mark J. See > (601) 856-4346 > > >

where are rock oak and rio, w.v.? anybody know where cemeteries in these areas are? mark see, are you out there? s _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Near Augusta, WV. There are several cemeteries in the area: Rio, Rock Oak (Walker), Mt. Olive. I will write up some directions and send them to you. -- Robert A. Walker, Ph.D. Biological Anthropologist Anatomist Dean, Clinical Anatomy New York Chiropractic College 2360 State Route 89 Seneca Falls, NY 13148-0800 Ph. (315) 568-3210 E-mail: rwalker@nycc.edu http://www.nycc.edu/AcademicPrograms_factemplate.htm?dirfind=RWalker http://www.geocities.com/robert_a_walker_phd/ E-mail program: Microsoft Outlook -----Original Message----- From: 1930Sue Dietz [mailto:mandsdietz@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:09 PM To: WVHARDY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: rio and rock oak, w.v. where are rock oak and rio, w.v.? anybody know where cemeteries in these areas are? mark see, are you out there? s _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Yes Sue, I am here. I always wondered where Rio got it's name (usually pronounced RYE-Oh). I always thought that it might be a post Mexican War Thing. It is North - North East of Baker on Highway 29 along the Hardy/Hampshire Border. Amusingly enough it is just past Arkansas. Rock Oak is due West of Rio. Both are a bit more off of the beaten path that the Lost River Valley. Well, they were before Corridor H, at least. 1930Sue Dietz <mandsdietz@hotmail.com> wrote: where are rock oak and rio, w.v.? anybody know where cemeteries in these areas are? mark see, are you out there? s _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Sincerely, Mark J. See (601) 856-4346

Hello, Thanks for the info... I found on rootsweb.com that Elsie M. Combs Strawderman died on 2/9/1995 in Stafford, VA. I do believe that this is the Elsie that I was looking for because according to the death records she was born on 7/4/1911 and I do show her in the Hardy County, WV 1920 Census as being 8 years old. I do not know if she has any children. I also searched for Frances "Lee" Combs Souders but I think that she still may be out there. I am not sure when she was born but I know she was not in the Hardy County, WV 1920 Census. She may have been born in 1920 though. I do show that a Frances Lee Combs married a Whismer Jones/James? in 1937 and th at this Frances Lee Combs was 17. I found out that she married Waldo Souders and their child Evelyn Souders was shortly married to a Boyd Milstead in Harrisonburg, VA around 1968. I guess I will have to look for Evelyn Souders Milstead. Haman, Elsie, & Frances also had a brother Naman Combs. Naman married Coda Mae Ritchie and they had Irene who married a Sandridge. Their mother, Sallie Rose/Rosetta Miller...(she is also found as Sarah) daughter of George & Elizabeth M. Miller, she was born 2/23/1885 in Hardy County, WV. In 1901 she married Samuel Tusing, son of Jacob and Betty Ann Tusing. (Samuel may have died because I can't find him after this). In 1905 she married Robert James Combs, son of Absalom and Mary Corbin Combs. Robert died in 1931. He was much older than Sallie. In 1931 she married Isaac Teets, son of Laban W and Virginia Teets. Sallie Teets died in 1968 and is buried in Woodbine Cemetary, Harrisonburg, VA, Rockingham County. Thanks again, Rachel Campbell Bunker Hill, WV In a message dated 7/30/2006 4:45:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mandsdietz@hotmail.com writes: bonnie vance miller, if you are out there, can you help with this? maybe get some telephone numbers? names are very familiar. had 2 teets sisters, sisters to greatgrandmother, who married combs: sarah lavila m. daniel combs and they are buried pine grove cem. in needmore?, wv. and had 3 sons. malisea married n. arthur combs but would have to check info for their offspring. believe she is buried new dale cem. in needmore, wv. pine grove is road just north of kimseys run/parker hollow road where new dale is. would have thought elsie s. combs was from around winchester, va. have you tried going on free site of rootsweb.com? you can query under the name. just give all info you know or have. have had good response from there myself. do you know more of sallie miller tusing? by the way, we stay in front royal this time of year, south of winchester. also, have you tried locos? or one of those people finders where you type in name and give location you believe them to be and site gives location that can be used to check with directory assistance? good luck. oh, bonnie lives in harrisonburg or rockingham co, think. she helped me recently with some names. s >From: Rac3Cam@aol.com >To: WVHARDY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Looking for (Combs) Elsie Strawderman & Frances Souders >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:22:04 EDT > >Hello, >My great-grandfather was Haman Harris Combs. He was born in Hardy County >on >3/24/1907 and died on 2/10/1992. He was married to Rhoda Haines Combs. >They lived in Bunker Hill, WV. > >I am looking for his sisters, Elsie Strawderman and Frances "Lee" Souders, >or their families. Elsie lived in Harrisonburg, VA and Frances "Lee" lived > in >Harrisonburg, VA and then she moved to Tennessee. > >I would love to talk to them or their family members. > >Their parents were Robert James Combs and Sallie >Miller-Tusing-Combs-Teets. > >Any help in finding Elsie or Frances "Lee" is appreciated! > >Thank you, >Rachel Campbell >Bunker Hill, WV > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

bonnie vance miller, if you are out there, can you help with this? maybe get some telephone numbers? names are very familiar. had 2 teets sisters, sisters to greatgrandmother, who married combs: sarah lavila m. daniel combs and they are buried pine grove cem. in needmore?, wv. and had 3 sons. malisea married n. arthur combs but would have to check info for their offspring. believe she is buried new dale cem. in needmore, wv. pine grove is road just north of kimseys run/parker hollow road where new dale is. would have thought elsie s. combs was from around winchester, va. have you tried going on free site of rootsweb.com? you can query under the name. just give all info you know or have. have had good response from there myself. do you know more of sallie miller tusing? by the way, we stay in front royal this time of year, south of winchester. also, have you tried locos? or one of those people finders where you type in name and give location you believe them to be and site gives location that can be used to check with directory assistance? good luck. oh, bonnie lives in harrisonburg or rockingham co, think. she helped me recently with some names. s >From: Rac3Cam@aol.com >To: WVHARDY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Looking for (Combs) Elsie Strawderman & Frances Souders >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:22:04 EDT > >Hello, >My great-grandfather was Haman Harris Combs. He was born in Hardy County >on >3/24/1907 and died on 2/10/1992. He was married to Rhoda Haines Combs. >They lived in Bunker Hill, WV. > >I am looking for his sisters, Elsie Strawderman and Frances "Lee" Souders, >or their families. Elsie lived in Harrisonburg, VA and Frances "Lee" lived > in >Harrisonburg, VA and then she moved to Tennessee. > >I would love to talk to them or their family members. > >Their parents were Robert James Combs and Sallie >Miller-Tusing-Combs-Teets. > >Any help in finding Elsie or Frances "Lee" is appreciated! > >Thank you, >Rachel Campbell >Bunker Hill, WV > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

bonnie vance miller, if you are out there, can you help with this? maybe get some telephone numbers? names are very familiar. had 2 teets sisters, sisters to greatgrandmother, who married combs: sarah lavila m. daniel combs and they are buried pine grove cem. in needmore?, wv. and had 3 sons. malisea married n. arthur combs but would have to check info for their offspring. believe she is buried new dale cem. in needmore, wv. pine grove is road just north of kimseys run/parker hollow road where new dale is. would have thought elsie s. combs was from around winchester, va. have you tried going on free site of rootsweb.com? you can query under the name. just give all info you know or have. have had good response from there myself. do you know more of sallie miller tusing? by the way, we stay in front royal this time of year, south of winchester. also, have you tried locos? or one of those people finders where you type in name and give location you believe them to be and site gives location that can be used to check with directory assistance? good luck. oh, bonnie lives in harrisonburg or rockingham co, think. she helped me recently with some names. s >From: Rac3Cam@aol.com >To: WVHARDY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Looking for (Combs) Elsie Strawderman & Frances Souders >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:22:04 EDT > >Hello, >My great-grandfather was Haman Harris Combs. He was born in Hardy County >on >3/24/1907 and died on 2/10/1992. He was married to Rhoda Haines Combs. >They lived in Bunker Hill, WV. > >I am looking for his sisters, Elsie Strawderman and Frances "Lee" Souders, >or their families. Elsie lived in Harrisonburg, VA and Frances "Lee" lived > in >Harrisonburg, VA and then she moved to Tennessee. > >I would love to talk to them or their family members. > >Their parents were Robert James Combs and Sallie >Miller-Tusing-Combs-Teets. > >Any help in finding Elsie or Frances "Lee" is appreciated! > >Thank you, >Rachel Campbell >Bunker Hill, WV > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Hello, My great-grandfather was Haman Harris Combs. He was born in Hardy County on 3/24/1907 and died on 2/10/1992. He was married to Rhoda Haines Combs. They lived in Bunker Hill, WV. I am looking for his sisters, Elsie Strawderman and Frances "Lee" Souders, or their families. Elsie lived in Harrisonburg, VA and Frances "Lee" lived in Harrisonburg, VA and then she moved to Tennessee. I would love to talk to them or their family members. Their parents were Robert James Combs and Sallie Miller-Tusing-Combs-Teets. Any help in finding Elsie or Frances "Lee" is appreciated! Thank you, Rachel Campbell Bunker Hill, WV

Concerning the Wilson family, looking for parents of Elizabeth Wilson m. George Stump. She may have been first married to a Massey as some records give her name as Elizabeth Massey. Their Bible records list Elizabeth Wilson I believe. kygentracker @yahoo.com WVHARDY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: WVHARDY-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 34 Today's Topics: #1 RE: Untis / Antis - Fairfax Grant ["Donna" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from WVHARDY-D, send a message to WVHARDY-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:11:29 -0400 From: "Donna" <dkcooper6@comcast.net> To: WVHARDY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Untis / Antis - Fairfax Grant in Hampshire County Hi List, Has anyone worked on the WILSONs that were in the South Branch area ca 1750s/1760s? I descend through John Wilson b ca 1761 & Sussanah Kautzman/Couchman. I have worked with John Tevebough in trying to establish the name Couchman as being Kautzman. The family of John Wilson & Sussanah (Kautzman) moved from the South Branch area to Greene Co., TN ca 1785, John (B ca 1761) dies 1809. Then late 1820s parts of the remaining family start moving to Indiana. I was sent information (can't find it right now) that John Wilson (b 1788) was married in Knox Co., IN. The family was later living in Sullivan Co., IN. I have had trouble establishing a parentage for John Wilson (b 1761). I know that there were some WILSONs in the South Branch area mid 1700s, but I need to find a connection. Thanks, Donna ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ". . . In a quick run of the names I did not find my George (Untis / Antis); however, did find other names that went from Hampshire County to Knox County, Indiana. Two that I remember specifically were Adam Harness David crock David Crock was a son-in law of George Antis. Supposedly, David Crock married Margaret Antis in Hampshire County and then moved to Knox County, Indiana. In Knox County, Indiana in 1802, Adam Harness was a witness to the will of George Antis. There were others. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark, Awhile back, I created a data base of early settlers in the South Branch valley using names found in the following books and records. Last Name First Name Title Chalkley Lyman Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in VA Gray Gertrude E. (comp.) Virginia Northern Neck Land Grants V2 1742-1775 Joyner Peggy Shomo, comp. Abstracts of VA's Northern Neck Warrants & Surveys Morrison Charles "Early Fairfax Land Grants and Leases Along the SB Hinke, Wm J. & Kemper, Chas. E., ed. William & Mary Quarterly (Moravian Missionary articles) Kerns Wilmer Historical Records of Old Frederick Co. Kercheval Samuel History of the Valley of Virginia Kaylor Peter Cline Abstract of Land Grant Surveys 1748 South Branch Census Horton Vicki Bidinger Hampshire Co Minute Bk Abstracts V1 1788-1802 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0624-2, 06/15/2006 Tested on: 6/17/2006 5:11:28 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free.

In a message dated 6/30/2006 11:01:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, WVHARDY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: X-Message: #2 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:06:51 -0400 From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> To: WVHARDY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002301c69bd0$b54d9060$0489ced8@yourcjyhi9abh9> Subject: Shepherd SHEPHERD: John SHEPHERD, born circa 1735, married Sarah ???. He died in 1802 in Hardy County, WV. He had an apparent son Jonathan Shepherd born c1760, enlisted in Moses Rawlings Rifles 1775 while living in Old Town, Allegheny County, Md. Who are the ancestors of John and Jonathan Shepherd? Seek information on the John Shepherd who died in Frederick County, MD in 1765 (also with a wife Sarah). Also seeking John Shepherd who died in 1726 and left children named John, Nathan and William in Frederick County. Finally, Who was the Thomas Shepherd who was in Hampshire County in 1777? Will share what I have with interested persons. Thanks. Best regards, David Armstrong, Elkins, WV David: I'm a Sheppard descendant and have not been able to find out for sure who John's father was. It might be Wm., Jr. whose father Wm., Sr. also had Thomas and John. Thomas was the founder of Shepherdstown. Some have mistaken John son of Thomas for our John father of Jonathan. I have a letter from the WV Division of Culture and History that even says that! When I wrote back to them, they admitted the error. That John had a wife Martha and died in Red Oak, Ohio 31 July 1912. It looks like you may have read A Genealogy of the Duke-Sheppard-VanMetre Family. I think I got it at Ancestry.com. It has Thomas' will, etc. Another descendant, Betty Wiblin, has worked on this and thinks Wm., Jr. is the most likely father of John. We don't worry about the spelling - it wasn't precise in those days. Here is her summary of the ancestry of John: If my theory should happen to be correct, it would be: John and Sarah (These are definitely ancestors.) *William, Jr. and Unknown b. 1707 Prince George Co. MD. Resided in Rock Creek, MD. *William, Sr. and Sarah Cochran b. abt. 1680 d. bet. 1741-1745. He was a carpenter and resided in Prince George Co., MD. (Another son Thomas b. 1705 d. in Shepherdstown, WV 1776) *Thomas Shepherd, b. abt. 1650, possibly in Ireland; died abt. 1698 in MD. Married an Unknown Ellis. *Thomas Ellis (Mrs. Thomas Shepherd's father) To further confuse us, I found this on Thomas' father (Sr. and Jr. did not necessarily mean father & son in those days.) Entries: 5220 Updated: Wed Jan 30 14:03:05 2002 Contact: Veronica Beinstingel Stroud Home Page: "Bridging the Gap to Unite Families" ID: I1222 Name: Thomas Sr. Shepherd Given Name: Thomas Sr. Surname: Shepherd NSFX: Captain Sex: M Title: Captain Note: From the West Virginia Historical Magazine, Oct. 1902, pg. 28: "Three brothers, Thomas, John and William Shepherd came to this country from Shropshire, (Wales), and landed at Annapolis, Maryland; Thomas settled at Shepherdstown, John in Maryland and William went to the west." There are lots of Sheppard descendants who would like to solve this. Please let me know of whatever you learn. Barbara Sheppard Snyder Orinda, CA

SHEPHERD: John SHEPHERD, born circa 1735, married Sarah ???. He died in 1802 in Hardy County, WV. He had an apparent son Jonathan Shepherd born c1760, enlisted in Moses Rawlings Rifles 1775 while living in Old Town, Allegheny County, Md. Who are the ancestors of John and Jonathan Shepherd? Seek information on the John Shepherd who died in Frederick County, MD in 1765 (also with a wife Sarah). Also seeking John Shepherd who died in 1726 and left children named John, Nathan and William in Frederick County. Finally, Who was the Thomas Shepherd who was in Hampshire County in 1777? Will share what I have with interested persons. Thanks. Best regards, David Armstrong, Elkins, WV

Hi I am new to the list and hope someone has an idea. I am at the proverbial "brick wall". My ancestor, John Brown and sons James and Robert moved from Cumberland County, PA to Hardy County between 1758 and 1774. Robert is documented as being a planter in Hampshire County (Hardy) in 1781 and then dies there about 1786. There is apparently NO RECORD of the estate. Further, the father, John, is reported by withers (identified by default) as having went to Buckhannon with the Pringles but keeping to the woods and hunting to supply the settlements with meat, not taking up any land. There is NO direct evidence of John Sr. until his listing in the Harrison Co tax lists of 1785. Given this and the fact that I can document the existence of other hunter types of the period I have theorized that he may have been in the woods a LOT and never around when there was a tax list made, an estate sale, or any other such thing that would generate a record of him. I went to Cumberland County several times and collected everything I can get on any Brown up there before 1760. Having found no obvious connection I am left to shoot for an ID by association. So... I would be interested in knowing about ANYONE who moved from Cumberland County, PA to Hampshire or Hardy County 1756 - 1774. Also, given the absence of an estate record for Robert and any evidence of John during the period I also have entertained the possibility that they could have been somewhere else when Robert died in 1786. So any record one might run across that would show the death of a Robert Brown circa 1785 in the SW PA, Western VA, Western MD area would be something I would like to know about. Thanks to everyone in advance. Best regards, David Armstrong, Elkins, WV

well, found another one - someone's kith and kin. from the gospel messenger, jan 16, 1915. this article in worse condition than benjamin miller's. if interested in more info or copy contact me. s retired business mgr. of brethren publishing hse. died jan 4 at age 80. strong, but complications of diseases of later life. a minister 1863 bachelor run church, carroll co., in. b. mifflin co., pa oct 28, 1834. oct. 16, 1856 m. susanna mertz. 7 children, 5 died early. may 10, 1870 wife died suddenly. m. 1871 sister hannah reiff. 3 daughters. 1881 moved from white co., in to mt morris, il. had farm in in. taught in in. at death 4 dau., 1 son, 3 brothers, 3 sisters. 2nd wife died spring 1914. of note: mentions colse asso. in work with brethren d.l. miller and j.g. royer. miller in ca. royer in ia. this article found not in laban wilson teets' bible but in the beautiful story, a large book belonging to laban's son (1 of 3), james edward teets, who never married and spent his last years in the home of the youngest teets' sibling, amanda may teets miller. s bonnie, let me know if want this. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/