Are you talking of James Alexander Thom? "Long Knife" - "Red Heart", etc. I have read Thom's books.........I believe they are considered to be historical fiction. Pat-T -----Original Message----- From: wvhardy-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvhardy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of 1930Sue Dietz Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:50 PM To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Indian blood he does EXTENSIVE research!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ps.Journal of a Trapper - a hunter's rambles among the wild regions of the rocky mountains, 1834-43 by osborne russell and edited by aubrey l. haines The Red Heart by james alexander thorn based on true story of frances slocum of northeastern penn. (susquehanna valley). book is in paperback. as a little girl she is adopted by miami and winds up in indiana. she also was with lenape (delaware). lenape were originally from what is now new york, pa, delaware, new jersey. thorn's wife is shawnee. there are several histories of her life. in indiana is a state recreational area named for her and in pa. is a state park bearing her name. important source to note is the quakers on indians. thorn has written 20 years worth on revolution and indian wars era. s >From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> >Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Indian blood >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:02:07 -0400 > >Several have suggested him. I was under the impression that he was a >novelist, a fiction writer. Am I wrong? > >Best regards, > >David Armstrong, >Elkins, WV >----- Original Message ----- >From: "1930Sue Dietz" <mandsdietz@hotmail.com> >To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:52 PM >Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Indian blood > > > > allan eckert is a great source. s > > > > > >>From: "Charles Thomas" <charli36@hotmail.com> > >>Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com > >>To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Indian blood > >>Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:05:06 +0000 > >> > >>Try contacting Allan W. Eckert, noted author, on his web site. > >> > >>Charles Thomas > >>Xenia, Ohio > >> > >> > >>>From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> > >>>Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com > >>>To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> > >>>Subject: [WVHARDY] Indian blood > >>>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:30:04 -0400 > >>> > >>>Do we have any Indian or F & I War experts? > >>> > >>>I have a tale of Indian blood in my family tree and I know that others > >>>with > >>>roots in Hardy County do too. My family came to Hardy from >Pennsylvania. > >>>I > >>>do not know the name of the person so...... > >>> > >>>I am interested in ANY primary proof of the mixing of a > >>>white and an Indian ANYWHERE in Pennsylvania, New York or > >>>Maryland EAST OF an imaginary north-south line that would run from > >>>Hagerstown MD to Rochester NY. The time period would be before 1760. > >>>The closer to the Lancaster - Easton region of Pennsylvania the > >>>better. As I evaluate the F & I War captives lists and those with > >>>apparent > >>>mixed > >>>blood it might be helpful. Other possible sources might be Moravian or > >>>other > >>>mission records, William Johnson's papers (which I don't have acess to) > >>>traders journals, etc. Any help appreciated > >>> > >>>Best regards, > >>> > >>>David Armstrong, > >>>Elkins, WV > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Find what you need at prices you'll love. 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allan eckert is a great source. s >From: "Charles Thomas" <charli36@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Indian blood >Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:05:06 +0000 > >Try contacting Allan W. Eckert, noted author, on his web site. > >Charles Thomas >Xenia, Ohio > > >>From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> >>Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >>To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> >>Subject: [WVHARDY] Indian blood >>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:30:04 -0400 >> >>Do we have any Indian or F & I War experts? >> >>I have a tale of Indian blood in my family tree and I know that others >>with >>roots in Hardy County do too. My family came to Hardy from Pennsylvania. >>I >>do not know the name of the person so...... >> >>I am interested in ANY primary proof of the mixing of a >>white and an Indian ANYWHERE in Pennsylvania, New York or >>Maryland EAST OF an imaginary north-south line that would run from >>Hagerstown MD to Rochester NY. The time period would be before 1760. >>The closer to the Lancaster - Easton region of Pennsylvania the >>better. As I evaluate the F & I War captives lists and those with >>apparent >>mixed >>blood it might be helpful. Other possible sources might be Moravian or >>other >>mission records, William Johnson's papers (which I don't have acess to) >>traders journals, etc. Any help appreciated >> >>Best regards, >> >>David Armstrong, >>Elkins, WV >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >_________________________________________________________________ >Find what you need at prices you’ll love. Compare products and save at MSN® >Shopping. >http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117

there is a trapper's journal by osborne russell that am finishing. it is considered objective which is good as it sticks to facts. granted there were still some errors primarily in distances but it is difficult to read as each page just goes on and on with no breaks for paragraphs and sentences, etc. many tribes are mentioned, was surprised to see delawares all the way out in wyoming, oregon,etc.! read a good book on an indian captive taken from pennsylvania (will check for accuracy) called the red heart. name is still common in pa. where she and her family were from. oh, name is slocumm. very good account of captivity and how whites preferred to often stay with their captors. think her name was frances? family searched for her for years and years and eventually gave her land to remain on so she would not be removed with indians. you may want to consider trying to read some of wm. penn's writings. books previously mentioned also have captive lists. s >From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> >Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WVHARDY] Indian blood >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:30:04 -0400 > >Do we have any Indian or F & I War experts? > >I have a tale of Indian blood in my family tree and I know that others with >roots in Hardy County do too. My family came to Hardy from Pennsylvania. >I >do not know the name of the person so...... > >I am interested in ANY primary proof of the mixing of a >white and an Indian ANYWHERE in Pennsylvania, New York or >Maryland EAST OF an imaginary north-south line that would run from >Hagerstown MD to Rochester NY. The time period would be before 1760. >The closer to the Lancaster - Easton region of Pennsylvania the >better. As I evaluate the F & I War captives lists and those with apparent >mixed >blood it might be helpful. Other possible sources might be Moravian or >other >mission records, William Johnson's papers (which I don't have acess to) >traders journals, etc. Any help appreciated > >Best regards, > >David Armstrong, >Elkins, WV > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3

Several have suggested him. I was under the impression that he was a novelist, a fiction writer. Am I wrong? Best regards, David Armstrong, Elkins, WV ----- Original Message ----- From: "1930Sue Dietz" <mandsdietz@hotmail.com> To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Indian blood > allan eckert is a great source. s > > >>From: "Charles Thomas" <charli36@hotmail.com> >>Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >>To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Indian blood >>Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:05:06 +0000 >> >>Try contacting Allan W. Eckert, noted author, on his web site. >> >>Charles Thomas >>Xenia, Ohio >> >> >>>From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> >>>Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >>>To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> >>>Subject: [WVHARDY] Indian blood >>>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:30:04 -0400 >>> >>>Do we have any Indian or F & I War experts? >>> >>>I have a tale of Indian blood in my family tree and I know that others >>>with >>>roots in Hardy County do too. My family came to Hardy from Pennsylvania. >>>I >>>do not know the name of the person so...... >>> >>>I am interested in ANY primary proof of the mixing of a >>>white and an Indian ANYWHERE in Pennsylvania, New York or >>>Maryland EAST OF an imaginary north-south line that would run from >>>Hagerstown MD to Rochester NY. The time period would be before 1760. >>>The closer to the Lancaster - Easton region of Pennsylvania the >>>better. As I evaluate the F & I War captives lists and those with >>>apparent >>>mixed >>>blood it might be helpful. Other possible sources might be Moravian or >>>other >>>mission records, William Johnson's papers (which I don't have acess to) >>>traders journals, etc. Any help appreciated >>> >>>Best regards, >>> >>>David Armstrong, >>>Elkins, WV >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Find what you need at prices you'll love. Compare products and save at >>MSN® >>Shopping. >>http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 >> > > >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings > https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hey david, do not know about online although am certain someone on this site will know. since you brought it up am wondering if you live near enough to attend the reenactment of the massacre every third saturday in september? they build and burn a small replica of the fort. there is a cemetery there with some names but not all as not all are known. the town of franklin has a small library with books that note the subject. we also caught a small town parade that saturday we visited. too cute. civil war costumes and skunks in a cage. that said, there are many books which relate the story of the massacre. years ago that massacre was confused with the fort upper tract massacre which occured the day prior. some folks think their ancestors died at ft. seybert when they actually perished at upper tract. after a dig near the stream by a soy bean field belonging to mr. mallow a monument was erected in the field with some names of those massacred at upper tract. that massacre was considered a wipe out of all there. it amazes me how the shawnee and delaware led by killbuck traveled over mountain to ft. seybert in a day. suggest go online and type in ft. seybert and see if can get a list of books or go online and check a library catalogue. the handley regional library archives in winchester, va. has many of these books. you can get them through interlibrary loan. feel certain dehaas book on indian wars of west va. mentions the massacres but it does not have an index. sorry can not think of titles now. highly recommend checking handley library catalogue. s ps. out of curiosity what is name of ancestor you "lost" there? >From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> >Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WVHARDY] Fort Seybert >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:58:50 -0400 > >Would anybody know where there is a good scholarly article on line abut the >1758 Fort Seybert massacre in Pendleton County, WV? Thanks! > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE

Fort Seybert Massacre Extracted From Chronicles of Border Warfare by Alexander Scott Withers Edited and Annotated by Reuben Gold Thwaites (1895) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the south fork of the South Branch of Potomac, in, what is now, the county of Pendleton, was the fort of Capt. Sivert.* In this fort, the inhabitants of what was then called the "Upper Tract," all sought shelter from the tempest of savage ferocity; and at the time the Indians appeared before it, there were contained within its walls between thirty and forty persons of both sexes and of different ages. Among them was Mr. Dyer, (the father of Col. Dyer now of Pendleton) and his family. On the morning of the fatal day, Col. Dyer and his sister left the fort for the accomplishment of some object, and although no Indians had been seen there for some time, yet did they not proceed far, before they came in view of a party of forty or fifty Shawanees, going directly towards the fort. Alarmed for their own safety, as well as for the safety of their friends, the brother and sister endeavored by a hasty flight to reach the gate and gain admittance into the garrison; but before they could effect this, they were overtaken and made captives. The Indians rushed immediately to the fort and commenced a furious assault on it. Capt. Sivert prevailed, (not without much opposition,) on the besieged, to forbear firing 'till he should endeavor to negotiate with, and buy off the enemy. With this view, and under the protection of a flag he went out, and soon succeeded in making the wished for arrangement. When he returned, the gates were thrown open, and the enemy admitted. No sooner had the money and other articles, stipulated to be given, been handed over to the Indians, than a most bloody tragedy was begun to be acted. Arranging the inmates of the fort, in two rows, with a space of about ten feet between them, two Indians were selected; who taking each his station at the head of a row, with their tomahawks most cruelly murdered almost every white person in the fort; some few, whom caprice or some other cause, induced them to spare, were carried into captivity, - such articles as could be well carried away were taken off by the Indians; the remainder was consumed, with the fort, by fire. The course pursued by Capt. Sivert, has been supposed to have been dictated by timidity and an ill founded apprehension of danger from the attack. It is certain that strong opposition was made to it by many; and it has been said that his own son raised his rifle to shoot him, when he ordered the gates to be thrown open; and was only prevented from executing his purpose, by the interference of some near to him. Capt. Sivert was also supported by many, in the plan which he proposed to rid the fort of its assailants: it was known to be weak, and incapable of withstanding a vigorous onset; and its garrison was illy supplied with the munitions of war. Experience might have taught them, however, the futility of any measure of security, founded in a reliance on Indian faith, in time of hostility; and in deep and bitter anguish, they were made to feel its realization in the present instance. *Seybert's Fort was situated on the South Fork, twelve miles northeast of Franklin, in Pendleton County. At the time of this invasion, there was a fort located on the South Branch, garrisoned by Capt. James Dunlap and a company of rangers from Augusta county. Preston's Register states, that on the 27th of April, 1758, the fort at which Capt. Dunlap was stationed, was attacked and captured, the captain and twenty-two others killed; and, the next day, the same party, no doubt, attacked Seybert's Fort, killing Capt. Seybert and sixteen others, while twenty-four others were missing. Washington at the time, placed the number as "about sixty persons killed and missing." A gazette account, published at Williamsburg, May 5th ensuing, says: "The Indians lately took and burnt two forts, where were stationed one of our ranging companies, forty of whom were killed and scalped, and Lieut. Dunlap and nineteen missing." Kercheval's History of the Valley gives some further particulars: That Seybert's Fort was taken by surprise; that ten of the thirty persons occupying it, were bound, taken outside; the others were placed on a log and tomahawked. James Dyer, a lad of fourteen, was spared, taken first to Logstown, and then to Chillicothe, and retained a year and ten months, when as one of an Indian party he visited Fort Pitt, and managed to evade his associates while there, and finally reached the settlements in Pennsylvania, and two years later returned to the South Fork. It is added by the same historian, as another tradition, that after the fort had been invested two days, and two of the Indians had been killed, the garrison agreed to surrender on condition of their lives being spared, which was solemnly promised. That when the gate was opened, the Indians rushed in with demoniac yells, the whites fled, but were retaken, except one person; the massacre then took place, and ten were carried off into captivity. Still another tradition preserved by Kercheval, says the noted Delaware chief, Killbuck, led the Indians. Seybert's son, a lad of fifteen, exhibited great bravery in the defense of the fort. Killbuck called out to Capt. Seybert, in English, to surrender, and their lives should be spared; when young Seybert at this instant, aimed his loaded gun at the chief, and the father seized it, and took it from him, saying they could not successfully defend the place, and to save their lives should surrender, confiding in Killbuck's assurances. Capt. Seybert was among the first of those sacrificed. Young Seybert was among the prisoners, and told the chief how near he came to killing him. " You young rascal," laughingly replied Killbuck, "if you had killed me, you would have saved the fort, for had I fallen, my warriors would have immediately fled, and given up the siege in despair." - L. C. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "edwilson" <ed.wilson@comcast.net> To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Fort Seybert > go to google--type in fort+seybert+pendleton+county+wv+1758---be sure to > type in the + between words--abt 1/2 way dwn the 1st page--1939 > article/summary -- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> > To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM > Subject: [WVHARDY] Fort Seybert > > >> Would anybody know where there is a good scholarly article on line abut >> the >> 1758 Fort Seybert massacre in Pendleton County, WV? Thanks! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks to everyone! the 1939 article had part of what I am looking for. I should just have posted the question: Does anyone know what route Killbuck took AFTER Mouth of Seneca to get to Ohio? Up Seneca Creek and over the Mts or Down the North Fork to the other trail? Best regards, David Armstrong, Elkins, WV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Falvo" <rfalvo@yahoo.com> To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Fort Seybert > Good evening, > > Here is one I found through google: > > http://www.wvculture.org/HISTORY/settlement/fortseybert02.html > > > > David Armstrong <heraldry@meer.net> wrote: > Would anybody know where there is a good scholarly article on line abut > the > 1758 Fort Seybert massacre in Pendleton County, WV? Thanks! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

go to google--type in fort+seybert+pendleton+county+wv+1758---be sure to type in the + between words--abt 1/2 way dwn the 1st page--1939 article/summary -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: [WVHARDY] Fort Seybert > Would anybody know where there is a good scholarly article on line abut > the > 1758 Fort Seybert massacre in Pendleton County, WV? Thanks! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would anybody know where there is a good scholarly article on line abut the 1758 Fort Seybert massacre in Pendleton County, WV? Thanks!

Good evening, Here is one I found through google: http://www.wvculture.org/HISTORY/settlement/fortseybert02.html David Armstrong <heraldry@meer.net> wrote: Would anybody know where there is a good scholarly article on line abut the 1758 Fort Seybert massacre in Pendleton County, WV? Thanks! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.

Jeff, My Mom's maiden name was White and her grandfather was born in Hampshire Co. His father was James or Jesse but I am stuck with his death in 1843. Don't know where he is buried. Thanks for the posting. Tootsie Shoemaker of MI ----- Original Message ----- From: <ffejlny@juno.com> To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Indian blood > If you are related to the WHITE family, they are known to be descended to > Abigail GRUBB who was meludgeon. They are known to be connected to > the local tribes in that area of VA. They were also connected to the > French > trappers who initially came into the area. I think that is the history. > Do a > google search and there will be more. (I don't know if I have Meludgeon > spelled correctly.) > > Jeff Carr of TX > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Here's a reasonable link to information on Melungeon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melungeon David Armstrong wrote: > My dad was related to Abigail. I think you are right except that terms like > "Melungeon" are specific to an area (that one I think Tenessee) and are > pejorative. > Best regards, > > David Armstrong, > Elkins, WV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ffejlny@juno.com> > To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Indian blood > > > >> If you are related to the WHITE family, they are known to be descended to >> Abigail GRUBB who was meludgeon. They are known to be connected to >> the local tribes in that area of VA. They were also connected to the >> French >> trappers who initially came into the area. I think that is the history. >> Do a >> google search and there will be more. (I don't know if I have Meludgeon >> spelled correctly.) >> >> Jeff Carr of TX >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My dad was related to Abigail. I think you are right except that terms like "Melungeon" are specific to an area (that one I think Tenessee) and are pejorative. Best regards, David Armstrong, Elkins, WV ----- Original Message ----- From: <ffejlny@juno.com> To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [WVHARDY] Indian blood > If you are related to the WHITE family, they are known to be descended to > Abigail GRUBB who was meludgeon. They are known to be connected to > the local tribes in that area of VA. They were also connected to the > French > trappers who initially came into the area. I think that is the history. > Do a > google search and there will be more. (I don't know if I have Meludgeon > spelled correctly.) > > Jeff Carr of TX > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you are related to the WHITE family, they are known to be descended to Abigail GRUBB who was meludgeon. They are known to be connected to the local tribes in that area of VA. They were also connected to the French trappers who initially came into the area. I think that is the history. Do a google search and there will be more. (I don't know if I have Meludgeon spelled correctly.) Jeff Carr of TX

melungeon On Apr 10, 2007, at 1:53 AM, ffejlny@juno.com wrote: > If you are related to the WHITE family, they are known to be > descended to > Abigail GRUBB who was meludgeon. They are known to be connected to > the local tribes in that area of VA. They were also connected to > the French > trappers who initially came into the area. I think that is the > history. Do a > google search and there will be more. (I don't know if I have > Meludgeon > spelled correctly.) > > Jeff Carr of TX > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVHARDY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Here is the information from HQ Books, the whole book, if this is the same one, is online if you have access to HQ via your library. You can download parts of the book. Jerry Hale Deltona, FL Shenandoah Valley pioneers and their descendants : a history of Frederick County, Virginia (illustrated) from its formation in 1738 to 1908, compiled mainly from original records of old Frederick County, now Hampshire, Berkeley, Shenandoah, Jefferson, Hardy, Clarke, Warren, Morgan and Federick Authors: Cartmell, T. K. City of Publication: unknown Publisher: unknown Date: 1909 Page Count: 614 Notes: Includes index. Reel/Fiche Number: Genealogy and local history ; LH 221 Subject Headings: Frederick County (Va.) -- History. On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:39:48 -0500 Doris Christian <dmkchristian@austin.rr.com> writes: > Shenandoah Valley Pioneers and Their Descendants > . . . > > T. K. Cartmell >

Shenandoah Valley Pioneers and Their Descendants A History of Frederick County, Virginia From its Formation in 1738 to 1908 Compiled Mainly from Original Records of Old Frederick County, now Hampshire, Berkeley, Shenandoah, Jefferson, Hardy, Clarke, Warren, Morgan and Frederick T. K. Cartmell Clerk of the Old County Court Here is the information on the book. If your local library does not have it and you cannot borrow it from the loaning library, you might want to check into this website. dmkheritage.com they have it on CD. They also have other books on Virginia and neighboring states with the Table of Contents and INDEXES listed. for the surname index go to: http://www.dmkheritage.com/ This 568 page (25 page index) history of old Frederick County contains information on the pioneers of the upper Shenandoah Valley. Table of Contents (abridged) Shenandoah Valley Settled, Flow and by Whom The Minor Grants Van Meter and Hite Grants Old Frederick County, Organization of; Gleanings from Old Courts Boundaries of Old Frederick County Frederick County, Physical Features of Frederick County, Typography of Frederick County, Natural Points of Interest of The Lower Valley; Old Frederick in the Early Days Old County Roads and Turnpikes Railroads, Their Charters, etc Public Ferries Mills and Other Developments Gleanings from Old Courts, Continued The Indian and French War Gleanings from Old Courts, Succeeding Revolutionary War County Roads, List of, and Overseers, 1788-89, and Gleanings from Courts Revolutionary War, Officers and Enlisted Men of Morgan and his Men; George Rogers Clark Expedition; List of Old Justices The War of 1812-14 Old Courts, Justices', District and Circuit; Notable Trials; Naturalized Aliens Valley Banks Old and New Revolutionary War Heroes; Court Gleanings Continued up to Civil War Justices' Courts, from 1862 to Underwood Constitution; County Court Judges and Officers; Criminal Trials The County Court, Continued; Lynching of Wm. Shorter End of County Court System; Beginning of New City of Winchester, 1743-1850 Winchester, Water Supply of, Gas, Electricity and Manufactures; Criminal Trials. Newspapers of Winchester, 1787-1908 Winchester, Educational Developments, Fire Companies Winchester Old Taverns and Streets, Mayors from 1804 The Churches in the Lower Valley Presbyterian Church, Episcopal Church, Parish of Hampshire Lutheran Church, German Reformed Church,Methodist Episcopal Church Baptist Church, Society of Friends , Roman Catholic Church The Cemeteries of Winchester Town and City Government; The Market Square Suit Towns in Old Frederick County Notabilities of Old Frederick, Fairfax Notabilities of Old Frederick, George Washington Notabilities of Old Frederick, Joist Hite Pioneer Daniel Morgan Life of Homesteads, Colonial and Others Homesteads of Frederick County Homesteads and Biographical Notices The John Brown Raid The Civil War; Emancipation Proclamation, Effect on Both Armies; The Campaign in Spring of ’63; Death of Stonewall Jackson The Valley Army After Jackson’s Death Gettysburg Fall of Richmond; Appomattox and Surrender Biographical Sketches The Pioneers of the Upper Valley Frederick County at this Writing Appendix No. I-8 for the surname index go to: http://www.dmkheritage.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=53 **************************** Visit: http://www.dmkheritage.com To check on the latest County Histories and Parish Records on CDs Indexed and searchable

Try contacting Allan W. Eckert, noted author, on his web site. Charles Thomas Xenia, Ohio >From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> >Reply-To: wvhardy@rootsweb.com >To: <wvhardy@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WVHARDY] Indian blood >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:30:04 -0400 > >Do we have any Indian or F & I War experts? > >I have a tale of Indian blood in my family tree and I know that others with >roots in Hardy County do too. My family came to Hardy from Pennsylvania. >I >do not know the name of the person so...... > >I am interested in ANY primary proof of the mixing of a >white and an Indian ANYWHERE in Pennsylvania, New York or >Maryland EAST OF an imaginary north-south line that would run from >Hagerstown MD to Rochester NY. The time period would be before 1760. >The closer to the Lancaster - Easton region of Pennsylvania the >better. As I evaluate the F & I War captives lists and those with apparent >mixed >blood it might be helpful. Other possible sources might be Moravian or >other >mission records, William Johnson's papers (which I don't have acess to) >traders journals, etc. Any help appreciated > >Best regards, > >David Armstrong, >Elkins, WV > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WVHARDY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices you’ll love. Compare products and save at MSN® Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701

Do we have any Indian or F & I War experts? I have a tale of Indian blood in my family tree and I know that others with roots in Hardy County do too. My family came to Hardy from Pennsylvania. I do not know the name of the person so...... I am interested in ANY primary proof of the mixing of a white and an Indian ANYWHERE in Pennsylvania, New York or Maryland EAST OF an imaginary north-south line that would run from Hagerstown MD to Rochester NY. The time period would be before 1760. The closer to the Lancaster - Easton region of Pennsylvania the better. As I evaluate the F & I War captives lists and those with apparent mixed blood it might be helpful. Other possible sources might be Moravian or other mission records, William Johnson's papers (which I don't have acess to) traders journals, etc. Any help appreciated Best regards, David Armstrong, Elkins, WV

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