In a message dated 6/14/2000 10:42:28 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << << Excuse me.. maybe some us are interested and how does the submitter which of us "off line" would be interested.. ??.. >> >> And I, for one, have enjoyed some of his emails--especially about the 55th Anniversary and the Iwo Jima memorial. Very good. Regards, Diane

In a message dated 06/14/2000 8:40:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Excuse me.. maybe some us are interested and how does the submitter which of us "off line" would be interested.. ??.. >> As long as the subject line warns those of us who don't want to read revisionist history, as he originally did, "OFF TOPIC," so we can opt to read or delete and move on. Laine

In a message dated 06/14/2000 12:01:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << I am not entirely sure of their present value to this list, but someone might enjoy bantering ideas off line. >> Excuse me.. maybe some us are interested and how does the submitter which of us "off line" would be interested.. ??.. If we will evaluate the purpose, this helps us find sources in researching our families as long as it is genealogy.. But let each man speak for himself.. Ellie S.

Roland, I am not sure what is up with all of this revisionist history, but in the future please list your souces rather than simply pasting something that you found somewhere. I am not entirely sure of their present value to this list, but someone might enjoy bantering ideas off line. thanks, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Roland Elliott [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: Forgotten History - The American Revolution > > The American Revolution > > Of all the myths that surround the American Revolution, > perhaps the most preposterous is the notion the war was > fought by Americans seeking self-determination against a > foreign power. Nothing could be further from the truth. > The American Revolution pitted American against American. > In some cases, as in the case of Benjamin Franklin, family > member fought against family member. In fact, an equal > number of people fought for the British as opposed them. > This included slaves who fought for the British because > they were promised their freedom. > > Another myth holds that the minutemen were loyal Americans > who left their farms and business when their country needed > their help. This again is false. The average minuteman was > poor and not middle class. He often joined the army in hopes > that he would be able to improve his economic plight. > > What happened to the Americans who fought for the British? > They were dealt with harshly. Countless loyalists were > tarred and feathered and forced to turn over millions in > property. This was a war where one elite fought the other. > > Over 80,000 were driven to Canada and their property was > confiscated. Many spent their remaining days in poverty. > In fact, the American Revolution produced more emigres than > the French Revolution. Slaves who opposed the revolution > were returned to their slave masters. > > Equally distressful are the myths about the virtues of the > Revolutionary leaders. While every child is told about John > Paul Jones's declaration, "I have not yet begun to fight," > few are reminded that he became a well-paid mercenary of the > Russian queen Catherine the Great. Or that Robert Morris, > who financed much of the revolution, used his position to > enrich himself. > > Probably the most over-rated hero is Ethan Allen. Allen's > claim to fame comes from his daring raid on Fort Ticonderoga, > but his financial dealings are overlooked. Allen opened > secret negations with the British in hopes of gaining > recognition for over a quarter of a millions acres of > disputed Vermont land. At one point he promised to take > Vermont out of the war but the British would not go through > with the deal and Allen's plan fell through. > > Revolutionary heroes also fell far short in their deeds, > compared with their eloquent words. Patrick Henry is > remembered for his words, "Give me liberty or give me death." > Apparently this quest for liberty did not include slaves. > Henry fought as passionately for slavery as he did > independence. All throughout the revolution he added slaves > to his plantation and after the war, unlike many of his > contemporaries including Washington, never freed any of > them. After several business failures, he grew wealthy off > the work of his slaves. > > Misconceptions persist not only about who fought the war but > what kind of war it was. This was a classic European style > war, not a guerrilla war. This was not England's Vietnam. > In the end America was able to overcome the British because > of French help and the improvement of their standing army. > > Every child is taught that the minuteman was a great shot. > The evidence is to the contrary. At Concord and Lexington > one soldier commented "not one American in ten hit a redcoat > that day." Which was hardly surprising since the farmers > were used to using buckshot. Who won the revolution? Poor > farmers who were later betrayed by the Centennial Congress, > but that's another story. >

Hello list--- First off, I'd like to apologize for this posting in response to this latest non-topic posting. The original posting is an example of the abuse of history for political purposes that is frequently used by special interest groups to legitimize their political positions. It is political propaganda. As an historian, I abhore this abuse of history. The purpose for studying history is not to compare cultures of varying time periods in order to develop the good culture/bad culture thesis; indeed it is unfair to compare any past or present culture with the reader's/writer's own world view and make judgements concerning those cultures' validity. A more appropriate use of history is to explore the events which led to one's own present cultural condition; to look at similar problems encountered by various cultures over time, look at the various solutions employed to solve those problems, and evaluate the effectiveness of those solutions within the context of the needs of particular cultures; assist in finding solutions to current problems within a culture by examining similar problems encountered in the past and develop a list of effective solutions through this examination; and other similar uses. We may simply be interested in exploring the tapestry of ancestors that make the individual of the present or the network of cross-cultural interaction that has influenced the evolution of one's current culture or ethnicity. The use of history to value or devalue individuals or cultures smacks of fraud. I could develop a multi-page essay on this topic but I'll get off of the soap box. I will sprinkle commentary throughout the copy below to illustrate another side to the story in an effort to illimuniate the idea that we are all humans throughout the past as well as the present; consequently we are all subject to committing errors, successes, indiscretions, attrocities, acts of compassion and violence. In short, humans have always behaved both well and poorly as judged by contemporaries. Roland Elliott wrote: > > America Before Columbus > > > > When Columbus came to America in 1492, there were over 75 > > million people, twenty-five million living in North America, > > inhabiting the land he supposedly discovered. Columbus called > > them Indians believing he had reached the east by going west. > > > > The natives this term is contradictory, for if they had to migrate into a region, they could not be natives--- > had migrated across the Bering Straits and settled > > into warmer areas of the continent. The Hopi Indians the Hopis did not exist at this time---it was their ancestors. > were > > building cliff dwellings, farming and creating villages about > > a thousand years before Christ in what is now New Mexico. > > > > When Julius Caesar was conquering the Western world an Indian > > culture called the Moundbuilders, who lived in the Ohio > > Valley, were making huge structures out of earth. One of them > > was said to be over three miles long and the area served as > > a trading post. Indians came from the west, the Gulf of Mexico > > and the Midwest to trade and exchange goods. So you can see a > > system of trade and commerce existed before Columbus arrived. All cultures develop this exchange-type economy. Studies in European colonization of the Americas also have revealed exchange economies that functioned for various numbers of years---sometimes decades---before the more modern capital-based economies took root. > > > > > In what is now called Pennsylvania and upper state New York > > lived the Iroquois. The Iroquois lived in villages and had a > > very sophisticated social system which was in many ways > > superior to the European culture. The land was worked in > > common and was owned by the whole nation. Ignoring the mutiple problems in this paragraph, I would like to point out that the land claim was to the exclusion of all other tribes. In fact one tribe, the Erie, was never known to Europeans---the Iroquois boasted to their first European contacts that they had annihilated the Erie down to the last member---genocide. > > > > > Women held a much higher place in the Iroquois culture versus > > the European. For instance, family names were tied to the > > women not the men. When a man married, he joined the family > > of his wife. Women farmed the land while the men hunted for > > fish and game. Men and women shared power and the European > > model of male dominance was conspicuously absent in Iroquois > > culture. Children were not punished harshly and taught > > equality in possessions. This is contrasted with the severity > > of the Puritans who believed in harsh punishment. Men and women did not share power---just as in European culture in which domestic concerns were the sphere of women, Indian women had their own spheres that they dominated and other spheres from which they were excluded, most notably in determining diplomacy and war---the councils were male. The other issues here are far more complex than the simple statements made. > > > > > What did the culture of the Europeans bring to the new world? > > The Europeans were a society of both rich and poor, controlled > > by priests, governors and male heads of families. The Iroquois > > society had no laws, sheriffs, judges or juries, however > > boundaries of behavior existed. If someone stole food or shamed > > their family, they were banished until they had morally atoned > > for their actions. Such law issues become a necessity as societies become larger---the Aztecs and Mayans had laws, a ruler, a class system and all of the other "evils" that are implied in this naive statement. > > > > > So this was the land Columbus "found." There was no written > > language but their history was passed on by an oral culture > > that was far superior to the Europeans. Because Europeans wrote it down---ever compared the similar stories in documents and oral history---very different, huh. > They told their > > history through songs and fables. They paid attention to > > the development of an individual's personality. This kind of > > community lasted among natives long after the Indians were > > conquered. John Collier who lived with the tribes of the > > American Southwest said of the spirit of the natives, "if > > we could make it our own, there would be an eternally > > inexhaustible earth and a forever lasting peace." > > > > > Perhaps this is myth-making. Right, precisely that. > But these ideas have been > > repeated in European journals. What can we learn from this? > > First, we can see that hierarchy leads to divisions in all > > societies and this stratification of power leads to dominance > > by a few to the cost of many. This is true of all European > > systems whether it be capitalism or communism. Secondly, mere > > laws and punishment do not lead to a peaceful society. Maybe > > we should study other cultures in our schools and incorporate > > some of their beliefs into our own violent society. > > There is no evidence offered to support these overly simplistic conclusions. Again I apologize, but I find it difficult to ignore history abuse. I hope the posting of politically motivated historical abuse does not occur on this list anymore. Let's keep it to exploring our own roots!!! Terry Gruber

The people of the Vikings also were in America before Columbus. They even had a village in Canada but after years of bad luck weather decided to abandon it. There's been some archaeology on this site. Very interesting. Also, there were about a dozen Eureopean-based skeletons found in various places in the US (Oregon, Ohio valley, etc) dating far before the "natives" migrated across the Bering Strait. I've forgotten how early the cave-woman of LA dated. She had Asian heritage and was very very old. Diane

> America Before Columbus > > When Columbus came to America in 1492, there were over 75 > million people, twenty-five million living in North America, > inhabiting the land he supposedly discovered. Columbus called > them Indians believing he had reached the east by going west. > > The natives had migrated across the Bering Straits and settled > into warmer areas of the continent. The Hopi Indians were > building cliff dwellings, farming and creating villages about > a thousand years before Christ in what is now New Mexico. > > When Julius Caesar was conquering the Western world an Indian > culture called the Moundbuilders, who lived in the Ohio > Valley, were making huge structures out of earth. One of them > was said to be over three miles long and the area served as > a trading post. Indians came from the west, the Gulf of Mexico > and the Midwest to trade and exchange goods. So you can see a > system of trade and commerce existed before Columbus arrived. > > In what is now called Pennsylvania and upper state New York > lived the Iroquois. The Iroquois lived in villages and had a > very sophisticated social system which was in many ways > superior to the European culture. The land was worked in > common and was owned by the whole nation. > > Women held a much higher place in the Iroquois culture versus > the European. For instance, family names were tied to the > women not the men. When a man married, he joined the family > of his wife. Women farmed the land while the men hunted for > fish and game. Men and women shared power and the European > model of male dominance was conspicuously absent in Iroquois > culture. Children were not punished harshly and taught > equality in possessions. This is contrasted with the severity > of the Puritans who believed in harsh punishment. > > What did the culture of the Europeans bring to the new world? > The Europeans were a society of both rich and poor, controlled > by priests, governors and male heads of families. The Iroquois > society had no laws, sheriffs, judges or juries, however > boundaries of behavior existed. If someone stole food or shamed > their family, they were banished until they had morally atoned > for their actions. > > So this was the land Columbus "found." There was no written > language but their history was passed on by an oral culture > that was far superior to the Europeans. They told their > history through songs and fables. They paid attention to > the development of an individual's personality. This kind of > community lasted among natives long after the Indians were > conquered. John Collier who lived with the tribes of the > American Southwest said of the spirit of the natives, "if > we could make it our own, there would be an eternally > inexhaustible earth and a forever lasting peace." > > Perhaps this is myth-making. But these ideas have been > repeated in European journals. What can we learn from this? > First, we can see that hierarchy leads to divisions in all > societies and this stratification of power leads to dominance > by a few to the cost of many. This is true of all European > systems whether it be capitalism or communism. Secondly, mere > laws and punishment do not lead to a peaceful society. Maybe > we should study other cultures in our schools and incorporate > some of their beliefs into our own violent society. >

Here are a couple, Ellie. http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhardy/ http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/wv/hardy.htm Buzz Brake Tacoma, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 12:08 AM Subject: Re: Hibbs/Rotruck in West Virginia; Census? > In a message dated 06/10/2000 2:21:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << Hardy Co., WV webpage >> > > Can anyone tell me where that website can be found ?? > Thanks, Ellie S. > >

In a message dated 06/10/2000 2:21:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Hardy Co., WV webpage >> Can anyone tell me where that website can be found ?? Thanks, Ellie S.

Hello folks. A friend recently found in the West Virginia Marriages at the Hardy Co., WV webpage, a marriage for John Hibs (correct spelling) and a Christna Raatrae which someone had said must be Rotruck. They married in 1808. I was going to order some census microfilm for Hardy Co., WV at the LDS Family History Center, but their listing showed none for any year prior to 1840. Does anyone have any idea why this is? Does anyone know anything about the Rotruck Family in Hardy Co.? Lorna Hibbs

Hello list members. Some of you already know that I've been planning a trip to central WV...if I could make it. Well, the day of departure is tomorrow and I have no choice but to go because I have to take my son to Conservation Camp in Webster Springs on Monday by Noon and I have to pick him up on Friday. Since I haven't been in the central part of the state in 18 years, other than a drive through on I-79 when moving; and since if I tried to do two quick turn-around trips to take and fetch him, my time in between would only be trying to recover physically for the 2nd trip, I figure it's my "golden opportunity" to finally get to do some hardcore hands-on research...as much as my body will tolerate! I expect to visit with an aunt in Gassaway for at least a night or two. Visiting her was the primary purpose of my last trip 18 years ago and she has offered that I stay with her the entire week. I'm a little concerned about the burden that may place on her for that long though because of her age and health...and my health concerns. Quite frankly, at nearly twice my age, I think she's in better physical shape than me...but that isn't necessarily good enough to have someone in my condition around for a full week, so I'd like to be prepared to go and stay elsewhere part of the week if it appears to be in one or both of our best interests. In that event, I will be armed with a laptop full of all of my gen files (database, email, and text files) so I can take my research in any direction in the broadly general area around central WV or Webster Springs areas. To that end, I would greatly appreciate any recommendations you may have in the region as a place to stay...preferably someplace cozy/homey and convenient with "value for dollar"...maybe even with a fridge and microwave available so I won't have to eat out all the time and can spend more on photos and documentation. Since I am not the least bit adequately prepared or organized (not having been able to review my files in about 7 months now), nor do I know how much time I'll "hang out" with my aunt, I'm not at all sure of where I'll end up researching or for how long; so your recommendations in that regard would also be appreciated...especially along the line of "If you can make it to only one place in the region, you should go ....". I have some connection or another to just about every county in WV. I know I won't make it everywhere I'd like and I know my physical limitations will make it slower than for most to get things done...but I'm in that virtual "now or maybe never" place and will just have to do what I can do. If anyone is in need of a particular look-up in one of the likely counties, I'll be happy to do it if at all possible but I can't guarantee I'll even get there. I'll let everyone know how it all went when I get back. Thanks much everyone. Please send your responses to me individually, unless there are a number of others who request answers to the list. Diane Restaurant recommendations also appreciated.

Barbara and Hardy Co. Listers, This is Doug Park of Fayetteville, NC. I found your info on Enoch and descendants interesting--thanks. The info quoted in the message below on my 8th Great Grandfather, Dr. Roger Parke who came to Hopewell , NJ in 1682 on William Penn's ship "Greyhound" (near The Falls, present-day Trenton) from Lancashire/Cumberland Counties, UK however, is incorrect. The Roger that lived in Rye, New York is of a different line that was disproved a few years ago by the Parke Society of which I am a member. The Society is a historical society made up of Park descendants from the British Isles, many of which are direct descendants of Dr. Roger Parke. The Society has studied Roger and his descendants for more than 40 years. In fact, they have an extensive library collection, including many books and documents on Roger. Recommend for those interested in this line, to contact Cecilia Kasberg-Parke, the Lineage Leader for the Dr. Roger Parke line ([email protected]). Cecilia finished writing a book on Dr. Roger Parke just this past May. It contains information on over 7,000 of his descendants as well as detailed and well-sourced historical info. It is a hardback book nearly 500 pages in length. Cecilia and her husband, David even went to England last summer and visited Roger's birthplace and obtained his baptismal information and other data on Roger's parents and Grandparents. She has kindly used some of my information in her book as well. I am also writing a book on Dr. Roger Parke and his wife, Ann Patison and their descendants as well, but don't believe it will be complete for several more months. I am interested in corresponding with all those in the Park/e/s line of Old Frederick (VA)/Hampshire Counties (WV). I had the pleasure of making doing much field research in that area as well as Rowan Co., NC (where some of the Hampshire Park Family migrated to in the mid-1700s) and Madison Co., KY. I had the pleasure of attending the Park Reunion at Asbury UMC in Bean Settlement, WV on 20 June 1999 (desc. of Enoch Park). For more info on the Dr. Roger Parke line, please visit my family web pages: My ICQ# 47261074 My Park and Cobb Family Home Page: http://home.att.net/~parkefamilyheritage/index.html New Links Each Month! My Park and Cobb Family Treemaker Page: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/a/r/William-D-Park/ Family TreeMaker Report and Pictures My line: Dr. Roger Parke, Sr. (1654-1731) and Anne Pattison (8th Great Grandparents) - NJ John Parke I. (1674-1757) and Sarah Smith (1675-1759) (7th Great Grandparents)- NJ/VA John Park II. (1707-1758) and Mary Davis (1710-1771) (6th Great Grandparents) - VA Ebenezer Park (1747-1839) and Tabitha Mills (1752-1826) (5th Great Grandparents)- VA/NC/KY John Park (1772-1828) and Mary (Polly) Peeler (1774- )(4th Great Grandparents)- NC/KY Jonah Park (1806-1884) and Melinda McMonegal (1810-1862) (3rd Great Grandparents )- KY John McMonegal Park (1827-1901) and Martha Cobb (1835-1911)(2nd Great grandparents) - KY William Henry Park I. (1860-1932) and Eleanor Simpson (1865-1944) (Great Grandparents)- KY William Holton Park (1900-1980) and Elveree Collins Durham (1911-1989) (Dolly) (Grandparents)-KY William Henry Park II. (1930- ) and Frances Theresa Prioriello (1932- ) (Father and Mother)- KY/MD Look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Col. Doug Park At 04:20 AM 6/10/00 -0700, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:52:41 EDT >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Simon/PARK >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 06/08/2000 12:29:10 PM Central Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > ><< OHHHHH Barbara------anything!!!!! would be helpful----even if it serves to > discount certain families!!!!! <g> I have been looking for my Parks line > for eons! > Please send what you have prior to 1835 when my Henry L. Parks was born > (that's as far as I have gotten that I can rely upon.) > >This is verbatim from the book Hardy County History to 1990--it does not have >who submitted this story but does tell who still lives there today. >THE PARK FAMILY > Thomas V. PARK came from France to England during the Normandy invasion >of England and was given land on the border of Scotland. His descendants >later migrated to Essex, England. And, then, Roger PARK and son, Dr. Roger >PARK, came to what is now Trenton, New Jersey, on the Delaware River, in 1681. > Roger PARK Sr.'s first wife died in England and he remarried and settled >in Rye, New York. Dr. Roger PARK Jr. 's descendants, George, John and Roger, >came to Frederick County, Virginia (now Hampshire County, West Virginia) and >took up residence on the Cacapon River on a Fairfax land grant in 1745. > Enoch PARK was the fifth generation to live on the Cacapon and later >purchased land near Kirby from Angus McDONALD. Enoch married Margaret RUCKMAN >and raised a family of thirteen children. Both are buried in a small cemetery >on the hill above the Modern Woodman Hall at Kirby. Their home still stands >and is occupied near Kirby. > Six of their sons, John, Ashford, Samuel, Timothy, Solomon, and > Benjamin, >served in the Civil War in the 18th Virginia Calvary. John was wounded at >Fishers Hill, Virginia, and died as a prisoner of war at Point Lookout, >Maryland. Solomon was killed burial place unknown), and Benjamin was also >wounded at Fishers Hill and a prisoner at Point Lookout but recovered and >returned home. Their sister, Susan, married Governor EVANS and came to the >Bean Settlement area near Asbury Church. Mr. EVANS died and Susan's brothers >came to the area to help her, purchased land, built homes and raised >families. They were: Ashford (who married Mary Catherine MARTIN and they are >buried at Asbury Cemetary); George (who married Catherine POLAND and they are >buried at Mt. Dale); Timothy (who married Elizabeth SWISHER and are buried at >Asbury); and Benjamin (who married Mary Ann LOY and buried at Asbury). > Descendants of Timothy, Ashford, and Benjamin still own and live on > their >farms in the Bean Settlement area. Susan later married Charles BROWN. She and >a son are buried at Asbury, and Mr. BROWN is buried in the BROWN family >cemetary nearby. > Timothy's descendants are Berlin PARK and wife and son Max. Ashford's > are >Viola SNYDER and Kenneth PARK. Benjamin's are Hazel PARK SPEAR and husband >Herman. They own or are living on their farms. There are others living >elsewhere. > >This is from The Moorefield Examiner (newspaper) dated April 5, 2000 >concerning Max PARK who was running for a political office: > >Max E. PARK- co-owner and operator of PARK Farm, Inc.--member of Asbury >United Methodist Church, Bean Settlement Ruritan Club, WV Farm Bureau, & WV >Poultry Association--son of Beatrice O. PARK of Baker & the late Berlyn E. >PARK-- married to Cynthia PARK--has 5 sons: Michael PARK & Miles PARK, both >graduated Moorefield High School; Aharon SILVERMAN, a freshman at Moorefield >high School; Daniel SILVERMAN, in the seventh grade at Moorefield Middle >School; and Travis PARK in kindergarten at Moorefield Elementary School. > >As a not, Max Park was a teacher at Moorefield and I had him for science one >year. >Hope this helps. Barbara Weese

In a message dated 06/08/2000 12:29:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << OHHHHH Barbara------anything!!!!! would be helpful----even if it serves to discount certain families!!!!! <g> I have been looking for my Parks line for eons! Please send what you have prior to 1835 when my Henry L. Parks was born (that's as far as I have gotten that I can rely upon.) This is verbatim from the book Hardy County History to 1990--it does not have who submitted this story but does tell who still lives there today. THE PARK FAMILY Thomas V. PARK came from France to England during the Normandy invasion of England and was given land on the border of Scotland. His descendants later migrated to Essex, England. And, then, Roger PARK and son, Dr. Roger PARK, came to what is now Trenton, New Jersey, on the Delaware River, in 1681. Roger PARK Sr.'s first wife died in England and he remarried and settled in Rye, New York. Dr. Roger PARK Jr. 's descendants, George, John and Roger, came to Frederick County, Virginia (now Hampshire County, West Virginia) and took up residence on the Cacapon River on a Fairfax land grant in 1745. Enoch PARK was the fifth generation to live on the Cacapon and later purchased land near Kirby from Angus McDONALD. Enoch married Margaret RUCKMAN and raised a family of thirteen children. Both are buried in a small cemetery on the hill above the Modern Woodman Hall at Kirby. Their home still stands and is occupied near Kirby. Six of their sons, John, Ashford, Samuel, Timothy, Solomon, and Benjamin, served in the Civil War in the 18th Virginia Calvary. John was wounded at Fishers Hill, Virginia, and died as a prisoner of war at Point Lookout, Maryland. Solomon was killed burial place unknown), and Benjamin was also wounded at Fishers Hill and a prisoner at Point Lookout but recovered and returned home. Their sister, Susan, married Governor EVANS and came to the Bean Settlement area near Asbury Church. Mr. EVANS died and Susan's brothers came to the area to help her, purchased land, built homes and raised families. They were: Ashford (who married Mary Catherine MARTIN and they are buried at Asbury Cemetary); George (who married Catherine POLAND and they are buried at Mt. Dale); Timothy (who married Elizabeth SWISHER and are buried at Asbury); and Benjamin (who married Mary Ann LOY and buried at Asbury). Descendants of Timothy, Ashford, and Benjamin still own and live on their farms in the Bean Settlement area. Susan later married Charles BROWN. She and a son are buried at Asbury, and Mr. BROWN is buried in the BROWN family cemetary nearby. Timothy's descendants are Berlin PARK and wife and son Max. Ashford's are Viola SNYDER and Kenneth PARK. Benjamin's are Hazel PARK SPEAR and husband Herman. They own or are living on their farms. There are others living elsewhere. This is from The Moorefield Examiner (newspaper) dated April 5, 2000 concerning Max PARK who was running for a political office: Max E. PARK- co-owner and operator of PARK Farm, Inc.--member of Asbury United Methodist Church, Bean Settlement Ruritan Club, WV Farm Bureau, & WV Poultry Association--son of Beatrice O. PARK of Baker & the late Berlyn E. PARK-- married to Cynthia PARK--has 5 sons: Michael PARK & Miles PARK, both graduated Moorefield High School; Aharon SILVERMAN, a freshman at Moorefield high School; Daniel SILVERMAN, in the seventh grade at Moorefield Middle School; and Travis PARK in kindergarten at Moorefield Elementary School. As a not, Max Park was a teacher at Moorefield and I had him for science one year. Hope this helps. Barbara Weese

In a message dated 06/06/2000 4:04:18 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: (I am looking for William Parks and Louisa Watson b. before 1790 living Hardy Co. 1850 census) Carolyn, I have info on the Thomas V. Park family, whose descendents settled in Hardy Co. Any help? Barbara Weese ([email protected])

My connections are Harness/Hoerner,Deffenbaugh;Hornback,Alkire,Leasonby,Patton.R ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 6 24 AM Subject: Re: Hardy Co. researcher?? > In a message dated 06/05/2000 9:09:50 AM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << Dear Barbara, > I am interested in the info on Elizabeth Harness and Van Meter. > Thanks Betty Kimble >> > Betty (and Roland), This is a 2-column article on the Jan J. Vanmeter Family. > I could type it all if you need but I will put all the pertinent info in this > e-mail. Let me know if you want it all. There isn't much on HARNESS but maybe > this will help trace another way. Good Luck. Barbara > > JAN J. VANMETER FAMILY-pg 238-238-Hardy County Family History to 1990 > > 1. Jan Joosten VANMETERN, his wife & children, arrived in America (NY) fall > 1662. > 2. Joost Jansen VANMETER, born ca 1660 in Holland, son of Jan, was also > known as "John the Indian Trader". > Married: Sarah du Bois in 1682, New Paltz, Ulster Co, NY > Four children born in Kingston (frm baptism records): John, Rebecca, > Lysbeth, Henry > There are 4 other children but no record of their baptisms: Isaac, > Rachel, Abraham, Jacob > John, his family, and his parents moved to New Jersey ca 1695 but John spent > time traveling with friendly Indians. Around 1725 he travelled with them into > Virginia and the South Branch Valley. He returned home and encouraged his > sons to go there. Four of his sons moved to Virginia in 1744: > Abraham and John to Berkeley County - Jacob to the > Oldtown-Cresaptown, MD area - Isaac to Old Fields. On June 17, 1730, brothers > Isaac & John got land grants of 10,000 acres each from VA Gov. > 3. Isaac VanMeter, son of Joost/John, born ca 1692 in Ulster Co NY > Married Annetjie Wynkoop in Mooreland Manor PA in 1717. They moved to > Old Fields with their children: Henry, Garret, Mary, Rebecca. (Isaac built > log fort-Fort Pleasant- but was killed and scalped near his fort in 1757. > 4.Garret VanMeter (1732-1788), born in Salem Co, NJ, son of Isaac, > Rev War Colonel > Married Ann Markee Sibley in Hardy Co in 1757-inherited Fort > Pleasant. > Children were: Isaac, Jacob, Ann > 5. Jacob VanMeter (1764-1829), son of Garret, inherited Fort > Pleasant homestead, War of 1812, Colonel commanding 14th Regiment Virginia > State Militia. > Married Tabitha Inskeep (1765-1851) in 1791 > Children: Isaac, Abraham, Garret, Hannah, Ann, Rebecca, Susan, > Sallie > 6. Garret VanMeter (1806-1865), born near Fort Pleasant (Old > Fields) & inherited it. After his death, the homestead was sold, his wife & > most of his family moved to Piatt County, near Mansfield, IL. Nearly all > these sons served in Southern Army. > Married Elizabeth Inskeep VanMeter Cunningham in 1832 > Children: Solomon (m. Ann J. Parsons-more info-pg.43), > Jacob, William C., Rebecca, Isaac, Tabitha, Charles W. , Sallie, Garret > 7. William C. VanMeter (1838-1916) born & raised Old > Fields, moved with family to IL after fathers death. When the war began, he > returned to enlistand was in Co E, 25th Regiment of Virginia Infantry. He was > in 27 battles, wounded several times and taken prisoner at Sharpsburg. > Married Margaret Chambers (1842-1909) in 1868. They spent > 12 yrs in IL, then returned to WV ca 1801, living 1 mile east of Petersburg > toward Moorefield, raising & selling purebred cattle. > Children: > 1. Nora VanMeter, married Howard Cunningham (moved to IL) > 2. Kenny Chambers VanMeter, married Elizabeth HARNESS. The > y stayed and continued his fathers farming tradition. > 3. Virginia VanMeter, married Seymour Fisher (more info) > 4. Vernon VanMeter, married Harry HARNESS and lived in > Hardy County. > 5. William C. VanMeter, Jr., married Carrie Grove and > lived in Petersburg, where he was a dentist. > By the way, It states that Solomons(s/o Garrett & Elizabeth) three younger > brothers, William, Charles & Isaac, were first cousins of Capt. Jesse McNeill > and were all Confederate soldiers. The info on Solomon came from a story by > Mr. VanMeter, found in old family bible which is the property today of Evelyn > Parsons, Hardy Co, WV. > >

Hi, does anyone know what the membership fee is? I would like to join too. :) Thanks, Evelyn [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 06/06/2000 3:01:32 PM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << Is there a Genealogy Society in the Hardy or Hampshire Co. area? I have a > cousin living in Moorefield who is interested joining. Larry > Plano, TX. >> > > There is a Hardy County Historical Society, headquarters located at 131 N > Main St, Moorefield at the William Bowen House which was donated to the > Society. The Bowen House is also open for tours during Heritage Weekend which > is in September, I believe. You can also contact Margie Zirk at the Hardy > County Library in Moorefield for more info. Barbara

[email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 06/05/2000 9:09:50 AM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > JAN J. VANMETER FAMILY-pg 238-238-Hardy County Family History to 1990 > > Four of his sons moved to Virginia in 1744: > > > 3. Isaac VanMeter, son of Joost/John, born ca 1692 in Ulster Co NY > Married Annetjie Wynkoop in Mooreland Manor PA in 1717. They moved to > Old Fields with their children: Henry, Garret, Mary, Rebecca. (Isaac built > log fort-Fort Pleasant- but was killed and scalped near his fort in 1757. Information I have said it was Henry who was killed near his fort in 1759 (if memory serves me correctly, it was Henry's estate appraisal that has been discovered among the loose papers in the Hampshire County courthouse basement, dated around 1760). The fort, Pleasant, was built between February and April 1756 by Captain Thomas Waggener of the Virginia Regiment. For more info, see the article in the Colonal Notes section of the Hardy County GenWeb page <www.rootsweb.com/~wvhardy/> titled "Fort Pleasant: Soldiers and Civilians in the South Branch Valley, 1756-1762". > > 4.Garret VanMeter (1732-1788), born in Salem Co, NJ, son of Isaac, > Rev War Colonel It should be noted that Garret was not a colonel in the Continental Army, but a colonel in the Hampshire County militia. He served as County Lieutenant (head of the militia) and as sheriff. It was he who had to deal with John Claypoole and John Brake, et al. in their loyalist rebellion in the waning years of the Revolution. Just want to keep the record straight--- Terry Gruber

In a message dated 06/06/2000 3:01:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Is there a Genealogy Society in the Hardy or Hampshire Co. area? I have a cousin living in Moorefield who is interested joining. Larry Plano, TX. >> There is a Hardy County Historical Society, headquarters located at 131 N Main St, Moorefield at the William Bowen House which was donated to the Society. The Bowen House is also open for tours during Heritage Weekend which is in September, I believe. You can also contact Margie Zirk at the Hardy County Library in Moorefield for more info. Barbara

In a message dated 06/05/2000 10:34:20 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: Simon and Ours Date: 06/05/2000 10:34:20 PM Central Daylight Time From: [email protected] (Betty) Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hi, I am looking for the parents of Mary Simon who married Searchman/Sigmon Ours in 1781 Pendelton County. Mary I believe was from Hardy County as Sigmon her husband was from Hardy County. Sigmon was born 1755 Hardy County and was the son of John Ours and Catherine Mathias Ours. I do not remember the exact date of Mary's birth but I believe it was circa 1761. In a pension record for widow benefits a George Simon signs an affidavit attesting to the marriage of Mary and Sigmon. Who was this George Simon? Any help appreciated. Betty Kimble Betty, In my family tree, I have Sarah OURS (1791-1880), married William Alexander WEESE, 1809, Hardy Co. Sarah was the daughter of Sigmon OURS & Mary Simon OURS. Sigmon was the s/o John OURS & Catherne Mathias. (According to records of Grace Lutheran Church of Mill Creek, Sigmon & Mary also had at least one other daughter born 1800) I also have George OURS, who married Sallie Bond, the parents of Alston Clyde OURS, Hardy Co. So far I have not connected them but I'm still working on it. Are they the same as what you have? If you find anything, let me know. Barbara Weese

In a message dated 06/05/2000 9:09:50 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Dear Barbara, I am interested in the info on Elizabeth Harness and Van Meter. Thanks Betty Kimble >> Betty (and Roland), This is a 2-column article on the Jan J. Vanmeter Family. I could type it all if you need but I will put all the pertinent info in this e-mail. Let me know if you want it all. There isn't much on HARNESS but maybe this will help trace another way. Good Luck. Barbara JAN J. VANMETER FAMILY-pg 238-238-Hardy County Family History to 1990 1. Jan Joosten VANMETERN, his wife & children, arrived in America (NY) fall 1662. 2. Joost Jansen VANMETER, born ca 1660 in Holland, son of Jan, was also known as "John the Indian Trader". Married: Sarah du Bois in 1682, New Paltz, Ulster Co, NY Four children born in Kingston (frm baptism records): John, Rebecca, Lysbeth, Henry There are 4 other children but no record of their baptisms: Isaac, Rachel, Abraham, Jacob John, his family, and his parents moved to New Jersey ca 1695 but John spent time traveling with friendly Indians. Around 1725 he travelled with them into Virginia and the South Branch Valley. He returned home and encouraged his sons to go there. Four of his sons moved to Virginia in 1744: Abraham and John to Berkeley County - Jacob to the Oldtown-Cresaptown, MD area - Isaac to Old Fields. On June 17, 1730, brothers Isaac & John got land grants of 10,000 acres each from VA Gov. 3. Isaac VanMeter, son of Joost/John, born ca 1692 in Ulster Co NY Married Annetjie Wynkoop in Mooreland Manor PA in 1717. They moved to Old Fields with their children: Henry, Garret, Mary, Rebecca. (Isaac built log fort-Fort Pleasant- but was killed and scalped near his fort in 1757. 4.Garret VanMeter (1732-1788), born in Salem Co, NJ, son of Isaac, Rev War Colonel Married Ann Markee Sibley in Hardy Co in 1757-inherited Fort Pleasant. Children were: Isaac, Jacob, Ann 5. Jacob VanMeter (1764-1829), son of Garret, inherited Fort Pleasant homestead, War of 1812, Colonel commanding 14th Regiment Virginia State Militia. Married Tabitha Inskeep (1765-1851) in 1791 Children: Isaac, Abraham, Garret, Hannah, Ann, Rebecca, Susan, Sallie 6. Garret VanMeter (1806-1865), born near Fort Pleasant (Old Fields) & inherited it. After his death, the homestead was sold, his wife & most of his family moved to Piatt County, near Mansfield, IL. Nearly all these sons served in Southern Army. Married Elizabeth Inskeep VanMeter Cunningham in 1832 Children: Solomon (m. Ann J. Parsons-more info-pg.43), Jacob, William C., Rebecca, Isaac, Tabitha, Charles W. , Sallie, Garret 7. William C. VanMeter (1838-1916) born & raised Old Fields, moved with family to IL after fathers death. When the war began, he returned to enlistand was in Co E, 25th Regiment of Virginia Infantry. He was in 27 battles, wounded several times and taken prisoner at Sharpsburg. Married Margaret Chambers (1842-1909) in 1868. They spent 12 yrs in IL, then returned to WV ca 1801, living 1 mile east of Petersburg toward Moorefield, raising & selling purebred cattle. Children: 1. Nora VanMeter, married Howard Cunningham (moved to IL) 2. Kenny Chambers VanMeter, married Elizabeth HARNESS. The y stayed and continued his fathers farming tradition. 3. Virginia VanMeter, married Seymour Fisher (more info) 4. Vernon VanMeter, married Harry HARNESS and lived in Hardy County. 5. William C. VanMeter, Jr., married Carrie Grove and lived in Petersburg, where he was a dentist. By the way, It states that Solomons(s/o Garrett & Elizabeth) three younger brothers, William, Charles & Isaac, were first cousins of Capt. Jesse McNeill and were all Confederate soldiers. The info on Solomon came from a story by Mr. VanMeter, found in old family bible which is the property today of Evelyn Parsons, Hardy Co, WV.