The Isle of Wite is off shore of England and produce a breed of Sailors?R ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 14 16 PM Subject: Islde of Wight Co/Township Hardy Hey everyone! Hope you are enjoying a safe and relaxing holiday! Wondering if anyone on the list is familiar with the "Isle of Wight Co/Township Hardy". I was looking up the surname "Tims" for listings and there are a few "Tims" listed for this area....does anyone know if this is indeed Hardy Co in WVA or some other county in VA? I could not find it listed in my Handy Book for Genealogists. Any thoughts? Please reply. Thanks so very much! Best, Elizabeth Culhane Fairport, New York

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Now you got it!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 11 56 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [OHMEIGS] Declaration of Independence In a message dated 7/3/2000 12:28:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << If I had Thomas $ I would burn mine >> Which Thomas? Jefferson? He had to sell most of what he had in the later years just to keep the creditors at bay. His land was foreclosed on shortly before his death. Jefferson died a poor man, finacially. His experience and knowledge was priceless--but past actions and smart wit does not put meat and bread on the table. Diane

In a message dated 7/3/2000 9:52:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << In fact, I recently visited the still standing home of Thomas Nelson, Jr. which is a major tourist attraction at Colonial Nation Park in Yorktown–complete with cannon ball embedded in wall! Just goes to show, ya just can't believe everything ya read!! >> Maybe it was rebuilt in the 1780s. That would make sense. "Destroyed" has various meanings, depending on what the perspective is. And perhaps he also died bankrupt. Thomas Jefferson did. Matter of fact, he owed money more often afterwards than not. Regards, Diane

Thanks for sending out this correction to the piece about the signers of the Declaration of Independence. I knew some of it was simply not true and appreciate "Brooke's" efforts to clarify it. One that caught my eye was: >At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr. noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire, which was done. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. > In fact, I recently visited the still standing home of Thomas Nelson, Jr. which is a major tourist attraction at Colonial Nation Park in Yorktown–complete with cannon ball embedded in wall! Just goes to show, ya just can't believe everything ya read!! Sara Patton At 12:26 PM 7/2/00 -0700, you wrote: >Subject: [OHMEIGS] Declaration of Independence > > >Received this from another list ....thought I'd pass it on since someone >asked about " Norris." > > > >This piece of propaganda has been floating around the internet >for > > > some time...and, unfortunately, has made it to some important >websites. > > > > > > I am sorry to say, the historical research is flawed. Here is a >response > > > that I sent to the Northeast Roots group when someone else sent it >to >the > > > northeast roots group some time ago. I am posting publically so >others > > may > > > read, comment on, and correct any errors I might have made in my own > > > research. > > > Brooke > > > > > > On at least one website, Gary Hildreth, of Erie PA, is listed as the > > > author of "The Price they Paid". > > > > > > Here is what I have been able to find based on a few hours in my > > > university's limited library and the book, "The Signers of the > > > Declaration of Independence", by Robert G. Ferris and Richard E. >Morris > > > of the U.S. National Park Service (Arlington, VA: Interpretive > > > Publications, Inc., 1982). > > > > > > NO SIGNER WAS KILLED OUTRIGHT BY THE BRITISH. > > > Lets examine some of the statements more closely. > > > > > > >"Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured > > before > > > they died." > > > > > > This passage, to me at least, implies that the signer were captured > > > under charges of treason and died under torture. > > > > > > Five signers were indeed captured by the British, but not >necessarily >as > > > traitors. > > > > > > Richard Stockton (NJ) was the only one who was probably captured and > > > imprisoned just for having signed the Declaration of Independence. > > > Ferris and Morris also note that he was not well treated in >captivity > > > and was in ill health when released. He never completely recovered. >He > > > did not die in prison, however. > > > > > > George Walton (GA) commanded militia at the Battle of Savannah in > > > December, 1778. He was wounded and captured at that time. Thus he > > > would have been considered a prisoner of war, not a traitor. He was > > > released within a year, which implies that his signature on the > > > Declaration was not as important a factor in his captivity as his >active > > > military role in defending Savannah (prisoners of war were exchanged >on > > > a regular basis, a traitor would have been hanged). Walton lived to > > > serve as Governor of Georgia and U.S. Senator, dying in 1804. > > > > > > Thomas Heyward, Jr., Arthur Middleton, and Edward Rutledge (SC) were >all > > > captured at the Siege of Charleston in 1780. They were held at St. > > > Augustine (then under British control) until September 1781 with >other > > > Continentals. > > > > > > Two months after his release, Arthur Middleton returned to >Philadelphia > > > to resume his seat in the Continental Congress. Despite the >destruction > > > of his estate, he was able to rebuild it and live there until his >death > > > in 1787. > > > > > > Edward Rutledge sat in the State Legislature from 1782 to 1798. He >was > > > elected Governor of South Carolina but died before completing his > > > term...in 1800. Ferris and Morris report that he died a very >wealthy > > > man. > > > > > > Thomas Heyward, Jr. served as a circuit court judge from 1782 to >1787. > > > He served as a state legislator at the same time. Heyward lived >well > > > into the 19th century, dying in 1809. > > > > > > I checked about 8 general histories of the American War for >Independence > > > and one or two specialized works on the southern campaigns. None of >them > > > even mentioned that signers had been captured at Charleston or >Savannah, > > > let alone mention that any were singled out for harsh treatment. >This > > > seems to indicate that their capture was part of the "normal" course >of > > > war, not a special effort. > > > > > > After the British took Charleston, Gen. Sir Henry Clinton had men of > > > military age left in the city rounded up. Most were released soon > > > after, including most of the militia troops. He had originally >allowed > > > the officers to keep their swords, but changed his mind when they >began > > > to shout rebel slogans. Only the Contintental troops were held for >any > > > length of time (Middlekauff, The Glorious Revolution) > > > > > > I found only one reference to the treatment of prisoners from the > > > southern campaigns, in Lynn Montross, "Rag, Tag, and Bobtail". This > > > work states that the continental troops from the siege of Charleston > > > were held on prison ships. Conditions were poor and about a third >of > > > the prisoners died. > > > > > > If one takes the word "torture" to mean pain and suffering, then I > > > suppose these men were tortured. To my mind, however, torture >implies > > > an intentional infliction on pain, usually either to extract >information > > > or to punish. I have found no evidence of the latter. > > > > > > Here is an interesting passage from Larry G. Bowman, North Texas St. > > > Univ., on Prisoners of war: > > > > > > "Prisoners of war did suffer during the American Revolution. No >other > > > conclusion can be reached regarding the welfare of captives on both > > > sides. Men were beaten, deprived of food by corrupt officials, >denied > > > bedding and clothing, and harassed in other ways but, fortunately, >such > > > incidents of outright cruelty were not routine events. Actually, >most > > > of the suffering of the men came from the more subtle torment >usually > > > brought on by neglect on the part of their captors. Neither the > > > American nor the British authorities sought to induce suffering >among > > > the men in their prisons, yet men did want for basic services. The > > > shortcomings on both sides of the conflict in providing for the >captives > > > was evident, but the motivations behind the failures were not evil >or > > > vindictive in their origination. Neither party entered a program of > > > deliberately tormenting prisoners." Encyclopedia of the American > > > Revolution, v. II, p. 1334 (New York: Garland Publishing, 1993). > > > > > > >So, when Hildreth writes, "But they signed the Declaration of > > Independence, > > > knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were > > > >captured." > > > > > > The British undoubtedly put a price on the heads of rebel political > > > officials (not just signers) and the signers no doubt feared that >the > > > British would make good on the threat. The reality is, however, >that > > > none were executed for their treason. > > > > > > Let's look at another assertion.... > > > > > > >Nine of the fifty-six fought and died from wounds or the hardship >of >the > > > > Revolutionary War. > > > > > > On my list two were wounded in action, but NONE DIED OF WOUNDS. My > > > count shows 17--not 9--men who held commissions (or did medical >duty) > > > during the war. With the possible exception of Thomas Lynch, Jr. >and > > > Gwinnett, I would not say that any death here was attributable to >the > > > war with the British. Gwinnett's death, though, is hardly glorious: > > > > > > 1. Josiah Bartlett (NH) as surgeon with Gen. John Stark's troops at > > > Bennington. Bartlett declined national offices (citing fatigue or >ill > > > health) but remained active in state affairs and died in 1794. > > > > > > 2. Button Gwinnett (GA) in a failed campaign to take St. Augustine. > > > Killed in a duel precipitated partly by an argument over military > > > strategy in 1777. > > > > > > 2a. George Clymer served with the Pennsylvania militia. Died in >1813. > > > > > > 3. Thomas Heyward, Jr. (SC). Wounded in 1779 near Port Royal >Island, > > > SC. Recovered and served in the siege of Charleston. Died 1809. > > > > > > 4. Thomas Lynch, Jr. (SC) Military career cut short by illness in >1775. > > > He then was elected to the Continental Congress. In an attempt to > > > restore his health, he left for the West Indies, but was shipwrecked >and > > > killed in 1779. > > > > > > 5. Arthur Middleton (SC) Captured at the siege of Charleston. See > > > above. > > > > > > 6. Lewis Morris (NY) Brigadier General of Westchester Co. troops >during > > > the NY invasion. After the war, he served in state government and >was > > > active in public affairs. Died 1798. > > > > > > 7. Thomas Nelson, Jr. (VA) commanded the Virginia militia. Served >in > > > several campaigns in Virginia, including Yorktown. Nelson's >retirement > > > from public life was financially motivated. He died in 1789. > > > > > > 8. William Paca (MD) Served in the Maryland militia. After the war, >he > > > was active in MD. affairs and served as a Federal district judge >after > > > the Constitution was ratified. Died in 1799. > > > > > > 9. Caesar Rodney (DE). Brigadier General of militia. Active in > > > campaigns against Loyalists in Delaware. Despite having advanced >skin > > > cancer, Rodney served as president of Delaware, and speaker of the >state > > > senate until his death in 1783. > > > > > > 10. Benjamin Rush (PA). Appointed surgeon general of the Middle > > > Department of the Continental Army. Resigned after 8 months in a > > > dispute over charges he made that the medical corps was not run > > > properly. Extremely active in public affairs, both medical and > > > governmental, Rush died in 1813. > > > > > > 11. Edward Rutledge (SC) Served at the battle of Port Royal Island > > > (1779). Captured at the siege of Charleston. See above. > > > > > > 12. James Smith (PA) Brigadier General of militia. Practiced law >until > > > he retired at age 82 in 1801. He died in 1806. > > > > > > 13. George Walton (GA) Colonel of militia. Wounded at the Battle of > > > Savannah, 1778. Died in 1804. > > > > > > 14. William Whipple (NH). Brigadier General of militia. Saw quite a >bit > > > of active service, including the Saratoga and Newport campaigns. >Died, > > > aged 55, in 1785. > > > > > > 15. William Williams (CT). Colonel of militia to 1776. Mostly >active >in > > > state affairs, he died in 1811. > > > > > > 16. Oliver Wolcott (CT). Rose to Major General of militia. Wolcott > > > served in the Saratoga campaign and the defense of Ct. against >loyalist > > > raids from NY. Lived to attend the Constitutional Convention and to > > > serve as Governor of Ct. Died 1797. > > > > > > Some, like John Hart or Thomas Nelson, died of fatigue or exhaustion > > > brought on by travel and active service. In that sense, the war may > > > indeed have shortened their lives. Then again, how can we know in >an > > > age where illness was so commonplace. By the way, would we accept > > > "fatigue" as a cause of death today? Or would we find some more >precise > > > explanation. In any case, I don't know if I would list this cause >of > > > death in the same sentence as a reference to battle service. > > > > > > Now....Let's look at some of the personal stories told.... > > > > > > >Carter Braxton of Virginia, wealthy planter and trader, saw his >ships > > > > swept from the sea by the British navy. He sold his home and >properties > > to > > > >pay > > > his debts, and died in rags. > > > > > > Ferris and Morris tell a similar story, but watch the twist: > > > "The War for Independence brought financial hardships to Braxton. At >its > > > beginning, he had invested heavily in shipping, but the British >captured > > > most of his vessels and ravaged some of his plantations and >extensive > > > landholdings. COMMERCIAL SETBACKS IN LATER YEARS RUINED HIM." (p. >42). > > > If Braxton sold his home, he did not sell all of them. This entry >also > > > notes that Braxton was able to retain his family seat at Chericoke, >and > > > died in his Richmond townhouse. > > > > > > No doubt Braxton's fortunes were changed by the war, but can we say, > > > truthfully, that his death in poverty was entirely due to the >sacrifices > > > of war??? > > > > > > >Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to >move > > his > > > >family almost constantly. He served in Congress without pay, and >his > > family > > > >was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and >poverty >was > > > his > > > >reward. > > > > > > So far, this is correct. But Ferris and Morris state that McKean was > > > able to rebuild his fortune" "McKean lived out his live quietly in > > > Philadelphia. He died in 1817 at the age of 83, survived by his >second > > > wife and four of the 11 children from his marriages. He was buried >in > > > Laurel Hill Cemetery. HIS SUBSTANTIAL ESTATE CONSISTED OF STOCKS, > > > BONDS, AND HUGE LAND TRACTS IN PENNSYLVANIA (p. 102). > > > > > > > British soldiers looted the properties of Ellery, Clymer, Hall, >Walton, > > > > Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge and Middleton. > > > > > > Also William Floyd (NY), John Hart (NC), William Hooper (NC), Philip > > > Livingston (NY), Lewis Morris (NY). > > > > > > Oddly, enough, however, the British had the opportunity to loot the > > > homes of several very prominent signers and did not do so. Although >the > > > British evacuated Boston before the signing, why didn't the British > > > vandalize the homes of well-known rebels such as Sam Adams and John > > > Hancock during their occupation of Boston? > > > > > > The British occupied Philadelphia through the winter of 1777, yet >the > > > homes of Benjamin Franklin (who surely must have been public enemy >#1), > > > James Wilson, Benjamin Rush, Robert Morris were not damaged. James > > Wilson's > > > home was attacked by Americans, including militiamen, during food > > shortages > > > in > > > 1779 (does it count if the suffering was caused by your own side?). > > > > > > Thomas Jefferson was almost captured at Monticello. Why didn't the > > > British burn the estate? > > > > > > >At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr. noted that the >British > > > > General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his >headquarters. > > > > The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire, >which > > was > > > > done. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. > > > > > > Ferris and Morris also repeat this story, although they qualify it >as > > > "family legend". Nelson was unable to rebuild his fortunes after >the > > > war and did indeed die in poverty. > > > > > > > Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The British >jailed > > > > his wife, and soon after she died. > > > > > > This is true. Although Lewis lived until 1802 (and was 89 when he >died), > > > he essentially retired from public life after his wife's death. > > > > > > >John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. >Their >13 > > > > children fled for their lives. His fields and his grist mill were >laid > > > > waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, >returning > > > > home after the war to find his wife dead, his children vanished. A >few > > > weeks > > > > later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. > > > > > > The story is essentially true, but Hart survived two years after his > > > return from exhile, not a few weeks. > > > > > > Morris and Livingston suffered similar fates > > > > > > Philip Livingston, a member of the extremely influential NY >Livingston > > > family, had several properties in New York and Brooklyn that were > > > occupied by the British. He sold other properties to support the >war > > > effort before fleeing the British occupation of NY. He died, at the >age > > > of 62, in 1778. > > > > > > There were two signers of the Declaration surnamed Morris. LEWIS >Morris > > > of New York, had to flee his home, Morrisania, which was damaged in >the > > > British occupation. Ferris and Morris note that he was able to >rebuild > > > Morrisania. > > > > > > ROBERT Morris, of Pennsylvania may be even more intriguing. >Generally > > > recognized for his fundraising efforts during the war, he was later > > > accused (though vindicated) by Thomas Paine of profiteering. As > > > Superintendent of Finance (1781-1784) he was responsible for keeping >the > > > young country afloat financially. In 1789, he declined to serve as > > > Secretary of the Treasury (Alexander Hamilton got the job), but >served > > > instead as a Senator from PA. Morris' own financial dealings were >not > > > as successful. He speculated on western lands on credit, lived > > > extremely well, and embarked on an ambitious home building project. >All > > > of this led to personal bankruptcy and time in debtor's prison in >1798. > > > His wife was granted a pension that sustained the family. Robert >Morris > > > died in 1806. > > > > > > So there you have it. A grain of truth in everything, but some >broad > > > wording that makes for a good story but an inaccurate portrayal of >our > > > founders. > > > Brooke > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >==== OHMEIGS Mailing List ==== >Get kicked off the listserve? Your internet provider went down >temporary and stopped your messages. It happens almost everyday >to someone on the listserve. 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If I had Thomas $ I would burn mine.R ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 9 03 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [OHMEIGS] Declaration of Independence In a message dated 7/3/2000 9:52:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << In fact, I recently visited the still standing home of Thomas Nelson, Jr. which is a major tourist attraction at Colonial Nation Park in Yorktown–complete with cannon ball embedded in wall! Just goes to show, ya just can't believe everything ya read!! >> Maybe it was rebuilt in the 1780s. That would make sense. "Destroyed" has various meanings, depending on what the perspective is. And perhaps he also died bankrupt. Thomas Jefferson did. Matter of fact, he owed money more often afterwards than not. Regards, Diane

Subject: [OHMEIGS] Declaration of Independence Received this from another list ....thought I'd pass it on since someone asked about " Norris." This piece of propaganda has been floating around the internet for > > some time...and, unfortunately, has made it to some important websites. > > > > I am sorry to say, the historical research is flawed. Here is a response > > that I sent to the Northeast Roots group when someone else sent it to the > > northeast roots group some time ago. I am posting publically so others > may > > read, comment on, and correct any errors I might have made in my own > > research. > > Brooke > > > > On at least one website, Gary Hildreth, of Erie PA, is listed as the > > author of "The Price they Paid". > > > > Here is what I have been able to find based on a few hours in my > > university's limited library and the book, "The Signers of the > > Declaration of Independence", by Robert G. Ferris and Richard E. Morris > > of the U.S. National Park Service (Arlington, VA: Interpretive > > Publications, Inc., 1982). > > > > NO SIGNER WAS KILLED OUTRIGHT BY THE BRITISH. > > Lets examine some of the statements more closely. > > > > >"Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured > before > > they died." > > > > This passage, to me at least, implies that the signer were captured > > under charges of treason and died under torture. > > > > Five signers were indeed captured by the British, but not necessarily as > > traitors. > > > > Richard Stockton (NJ) was the only one who was probably captured and > > imprisoned just for having signed the Declaration of Independence. > > Ferris and Morris also note that he was not well treated in captivity > > and was in ill health when released. He never completely recovered. He > > did not die in prison, however. > > > > George Walton (GA) commanded militia at the Battle of Savannah in > > December, 1778. He was wounded and captured at that time. Thus he > > would have been considered a prisoner of war, not a traitor. He was > > released within a year, which implies that his signature on the > > Declaration was not as important a factor in his captivity as his active > > military role in defending Savannah (prisoners of war were exchanged on > > a regular basis, a traitor would have been hanged). Walton lived to > > serve as Governor of Georgia and U.S. Senator, dying in 1804. > > > > Thomas Heyward, Jr., Arthur Middleton, and Edward Rutledge (SC) were all > > captured at the Siege of Charleston in 1780. They were held at St. > > Augustine (then under British control) until September 1781 with other > > Continentals. > > > > Two months after his release, Arthur Middleton returned to Philadelphia > > to resume his seat in the Continental Congress. Despite the destruction > > of his estate, he was able to rebuild it and live there until his death > > in 1787. > > > > Edward Rutledge sat in the State Legislature from 1782 to 1798. He was > > elected Governor of South Carolina but died before completing his > > term...in 1800. Ferris and Morris report that he died a very wealthy > > man. > > > > Thomas Heyward, Jr. served as a circuit court judge from 1782 to 1787. > > He served as a state legislator at the same time. Heyward lived well > > into the 19th century, dying in 1809. > > > > I checked about 8 general histories of the American War for Independence > > and one or two specialized works on the southern campaigns. None of them > > even mentioned that signers had been captured at Charleston or Savannah, > > let alone mention that any were singled out for harsh treatment. This > > seems to indicate that their capture was part of the "normal" course of > > war, not a special effort. > > > > After the British took Charleston, Gen. Sir Henry Clinton had men of > > military age left in the city rounded up. Most were released soon > > after, including most of the militia troops. He had originally allowed > > the officers to keep their swords, but changed his mind when they began > > to shout rebel slogans. Only the Contintental troops were held for any > > length of time (Middlekauff, The Glorious Revolution) > > > > I found only one reference to the treatment of prisoners from the > > southern campaigns, in Lynn Montross, "Rag, Tag, and Bobtail". This > > work states that the continental troops from the siege of Charleston > > were held on prison ships. Conditions were poor and about a third of > > the prisoners died. > > > > If one takes the word "torture" to mean pain and suffering, then I > > suppose these men were tortured. To my mind, however, torture implies > > an intentional infliction on pain, usually either to extract information > > or to punish. I have found no evidence of the latter. > > > > Here is an interesting passage from Larry G. Bowman, North Texas St. > > Univ., on Prisoners of war: > > > > "Prisoners of war did suffer during the American Revolution. No other > > conclusion can be reached regarding the welfare of captives on both > > sides. Men were beaten, deprived of food by corrupt officials, denied > > bedding and clothing, and harassed in other ways but, fortunately, such > > incidents of outright cruelty were not routine events. Actually, most > > of the suffering of the men came from the more subtle torment usually > > brought on by neglect on the part of their captors. Neither the > > American nor the British authorities sought to induce suffering among > > the men in their prisons, yet men did want for basic services. The > > shortcomings on both sides of the conflict in providing for the captives > > was evident, but the motivations behind the failures were not evil or > > vindictive in their origination. Neither party entered a program of > > deliberately tormenting prisoners." Encyclopedia of the American > > Revolution, v. II, p. 1334 (New York: Garland Publishing, 1993). > > > > >So, when Hildreth writes, "But they signed the Declaration of > Independence, > > knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were > > >captured." > > > > The British undoubtedly put a price on the heads of rebel political > > officials (not just signers) and the signers no doubt feared that the > > British would make good on the threat. The reality is, however, that > > none were executed for their treason. > > > > Let's look at another assertion.... > > > > >Nine of the fifty-six fought and died from wounds or the hardship of the > > > Revolutionary War. > > > > On my list two were wounded in action, but NONE DIED OF WOUNDS. My > > count shows 17--not 9--men who held commissions (or did medical duty) > > during the war. With the possible exception of Thomas Lynch, Jr. and > > Gwinnett, I would not say that any death here was attributable to the > > war with the British. Gwinnett's death, though, is hardly glorious: > > > > 1. Josiah Bartlett (NH) as surgeon with Gen. John Stark's troops at > > Bennington. Bartlett declined national offices (citing fatigue or ill > > health) but remained active in state affairs and died in 1794. > > > > 2. Button Gwinnett (GA) in a failed campaign to take St. Augustine. > > Killed in a duel precipitated partly by an argument over military > > strategy in 1777. > > > > 2a. George Clymer served with the Pennsylvania militia. Died in 1813. > > > > 3. Thomas Heyward, Jr. (SC). Wounded in 1779 near Port Royal Island, > > SC. Recovered and served in the siege of Charleston. Died 1809. > > > > 4. Thomas Lynch, Jr. (SC) Military career cut short by illness in 1775. > > He then was elected to the Continental Congress. In an attempt to > > restore his health, he left for the West Indies, but was shipwrecked and > > killed in 1779. > > > > 5. Arthur Middleton (SC) Captured at the siege of Charleston. See > > above. > > > > 6. Lewis Morris (NY) Brigadier General of Westchester Co. troops during > > the NY invasion. After the war, he served in state government and was > > active in public affairs. Died 1798. > > > > 7. Thomas Nelson, Jr. (VA) commanded the Virginia militia. Served in > > several campaigns in Virginia, including Yorktown. Nelson's retirement > > from public life was financially motivated. He died in 1789. > > > > 8. William Paca (MD) Served in the Maryland militia. After the war, he > > was active in MD. affairs and served as a Federal district judge after > > the Constitution was ratified. Died in 1799. > > > > 9. Caesar Rodney (DE). Brigadier General of militia. Active in > > campaigns against Loyalists in Delaware. Despite having advanced skin > > cancer, Rodney served as president of Delaware, and speaker of the state > > senate until his death in 1783. > > > > 10. Benjamin Rush (PA). Appointed surgeon general of the Middle > > Department of the Continental Army. Resigned after 8 months in a > > dispute over charges he made that the medical corps was not run > > properly. Extremely active in public affairs, both medical and > > governmental, Rush died in 1813. > > > > 11. Edward Rutledge (SC) Served at the battle of Port Royal Island > > (1779). Captured at the siege of Charleston. See above. > > > > 12. James Smith (PA) Brigadier General of militia. Practiced law until > > he retired at age 82 in 1801. He died in 1806. > > > > 13. George Walton (GA) Colonel of militia. Wounded at the Battle of > > Savannah, 1778. Died in 1804. > > > > 14. William Whipple (NH). Brigadier General of militia. Saw quite a bit > > of active service, including the Saratoga and Newport campaigns. Died, > > aged 55, in 1785. > > > > 15. William Williams (CT). Colonel of militia to 1776. Mostly active in > > state affairs, he died in 1811. > > > > 16. Oliver Wolcott (CT). Rose to Major General of militia. Wolcott > > served in the Saratoga campaign and the defense of Ct. against loyalist > > raids from NY. Lived to attend the Constitutional Convention and to > > serve as Governor of Ct. Died 1797. > > > > Some, like John Hart or Thomas Nelson, died of fatigue or exhaustion > > brought on by travel and active service. In that sense, the war may > > indeed have shortened their lives. Then again, how can we know in an > > age where illness was so commonplace. By the way, would we accept > > "fatigue" as a cause of death today? Or would we find some more precise > > explanation. In any case, I don't know if I would list this cause of > > death in the same sentence as a reference to battle service. > > > > Now....Let's look at some of the personal stories told.... > > > > >Carter Braxton of Virginia, wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships > > > swept from the sea by the British navy. He sold his home and properties > to > > >pay > > his debts, and died in rags. > > > > Ferris and Morris tell a similar story, but watch the twist: > > "The War for Independence brought financial hardships to Braxton. At its > > beginning, he had invested heavily in shipping, but the British captured > > most of his vessels and ravaged some of his plantations and extensive > > landholdings. COMMERCIAL SETBACKS IN LATER YEARS RUINED HIM." (p. 42). > > If Braxton sold his home, he did not sell all of them. This entry also > > notes that Braxton was able to retain his family seat at Chericoke, and > > died in his Richmond townhouse. > > > > No doubt Braxton's fortunes were changed by the war, but can we say, > > truthfully, that his death in poverty was entirely due to the sacrifices > > of war??? > > > > >Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move > his > > >family almost constantly. He served in Congress without pay, and his > family > > >was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was > > his > > >reward. > > > > So far, this is correct. But Ferris and Morris state that McKean was > > able to rebuild his fortune" "McKean lived out his live quietly in > > Philadelphia. He died in 1817 at the age of 83, survived by his second > > wife and four of the 11 children from his marriages. He was buried in > > Laurel Hill Cemetery. HIS SUBSTANTIAL ESTATE CONSISTED OF STOCKS, > > BONDS, AND HUGE LAND TRACTS IN PENNSYLVANIA (p. 102). > > > > > British soldiers looted the properties of Ellery, Clymer, Hall, Walton, > > > Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge and Middleton. > > > > Also William Floyd (NY), John Hart (NC), William Hooper (NC), Philip > > Livingston (NY), Lewis Morris (NY). > > > > Oddly, enough, however, the British had the opportunity to loot the > > homes of several very prominent signers and did not do so. Although the > > British evacuated Boston before the signing, why didn't the British > > vandalize the homes of well-known rebels such as Sam Adams and John > > Hancock during their occupation of Boston? > > > > The British occupied Philadelphia through the winter of 1777, yet the > > homes of Benjamin Franklin (who surely must have been public enemy #1), > > James Wilson, Benjamin Rush, Robert Morris were not damaged. James > Wilson's > > home was attacked by Americans, including militiamen, during food > shortages > > in > > 1779 (does it count if the suffering was caused by your own side?). > > > > Thomas Jefferson was almost captured at Monticello. Why didn't the > > British burn the estate? > > > > >At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr. noted that the British > > > General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. > > > The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire, which > was > > > done. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. > > > > Ferris and Morris also repeat this story, although they qualify it as > > "family legend". Nelson was unable to rebuild his fortunes after the > > war and did indeed die in poverty. > > > > > Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The British jailed > > > his wife, and soon after she died. > > > > This is true. Although Lewis lived until 1802 (and was 89 when he died), > > he essentially retired from public life after his wife's death. > > > > >John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 > > > children fled for their lives. His fields and his grist mill were laid > > > waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning > > > home after the war to find his wife dead, his children vanished. A few > > weeks > > > later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. > > > > The story is essentially true, but Hart survived two years after his > > return from exhile, not a few weeks. > > > > Morris and Livingston suffered similar fates > > > > Philip Livingston, a member of the extremely influential NY Livingston > > family, had several properties in New York and Brooklyn that were > > occupied by the British. He sold other properties to support the war > > effort before fleeing the British occupation of NY. He died, at the age > > of 62, in 1778. > > > > There were two signers of the Declaration surnamed Morris. LEWIS Morris > > of New York, had to flee his home, Morrisania, which was damaged in the > > British occupation. Ferris and Morris note that he was able to rebuild > > Morrisania. > > > > ROBERT Morris, of Pennsylvania may be even more intriguing. Generally > > recognized for his fundraising efforts during the war, he was later > > accused (though vindicated) by Thomas Paine of profiteering. As > > Superintendent of Finance (1781-1784) he was responsible for keeping the > > young country afloat financially. In 1789, he declined to serve as > > Secretary of the Treasury (Alexander Hamilton got the job), but served > > instead as a Senator from PA. Morris' own financial dealings were not > > as successful. He speculated on western lands on credit, lived > > extremely well, and embarked on an ambitious home building project. All > > of this led to personal bankruptcy and time in debtor's prison in 1798. > > His wife was granted a pension that sustained the family. Robert Morris > > died in 1806. > > > > So there you have it. A grain of truth in everything, but some broad > > wording that makes for a good story but an inaccurate portrayal of our > > founders. > > Brooke ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ==== OHMEIGS Mailing List ==== Get kicked off the listserve? Your internet provider went down temporary and stopped your messages. It happens almost everyday to someone on the listserve. Just sign back up when you can. ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Hello Janie: Just in case your not aware, this web site is for the Discussion, Sharing and exchanging of genealogy information. Your message subject matter may be a good one on the approatiate web site, however I don't feel it is suited for this list. If my opinion is incorrect, I feel sure the list owner/manager will inform me of my mistake. Thank You. Larry Riffey

In a message dated 6/30/2000 10:00:24 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << > Scholars have long debated the exact ethnicity and nationality of > Jesus. Recently, at a theological meeting in Rome, scholars had > a heated debate on this subject. One by one, they offered their > evidence... > > THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS MEXICAN: >> I'm sure this was a mistake sending this to the List...because this really doesn't apply to the history of America, genealogy or Hardy County. Beri

This may be a repeat for you - but well worth reading again! > Scholars have long debated the exact ethnicity and nationality of > Jesus. Recently, at a theological meeting in Rome, scholars had > a heated debate on this subject. One by one, they offered their > evidence... > > THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS MEXICAN: > > 1. His first name was Jesus > 2. He was bilingual > 3. He was always being harassed by the authorities > > But then there were equally good arguments that... > > JESUS WAS BLACK > > 1. He called everybody "brother" > 2. He liked Gospel > 3. He couldn't get a fair trial > > But then there were equally good arguments that....... > > JESUS WAS JEWISH > > 1. He went into His Father's business > 2. He lived at home until he was 33 > 3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin, and his Mother was sure > he was God > > But then there were equally good arguments that....... > > JESUS WAS ITALIAN > > 1. He talked with his hands > 2. He had wine with every meal > 3. He used olive oil > > But then there were equally good arguments that....... > > JESUS WAS A CALIFORNIAN > > 1. He never cut his hair > 2. He walked around barefoot > 3. He started a new religion > > But then there were equally good arguments that....... > > JESUS WAS IRISH > > 1. He never got married > 2. He was always telling stories > 3. He loved green pastures > > There was one group of ladies that suggested he might have been a > woman: > > Their Proofs... > > 1. He had to feed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was > no food > 2. He kept trying to get the message across to a bunch of men > who JUST DIDN'T GET IT > 3. Even when He was dead, He had to get up because there was > more work to be done...

This is an amusing piece of software that may help some of those desc. brick walls. Don't forget to include spelling variations. http://www.hamrick.com/names/

Doug Thompson wrote June 25, 2000 In Reply to: JOSEPH W. HOWE IN JOHN ELSWICK 1756 WILL by Jemima Gee Morse of 1828 "Joseph Howe was a neighbor to John Elswick and is mentioned on several records as early as 1749 in what is today Hardy co. WV. A good history of this relationship is published in "Listen to the Mockingbird" by Daniel Dunbar Howe. Joseph Howe moved to Pulaski co. VA in 1769 and is buried there. The book is available through library loan in several places." Doug, Thanks! I did an archive search of WVHARDY and VAPULASKI, found nothing; however, I did find the Mary Anne Murphy Stone <[email protected]> post at WorldConnect <http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GE T&db=zadock&id=I2135> and she has an extensive annotated history of Joseph Howe. I also learned from Sharon Barzhoff that George Washington's papers are now on line at the Library of Congress site <http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gwhtml/gwhome.html> George Washington surveyed the John Elswick land in Hampshire Co., VA, in 1748, evidently as an apprentice to the Lord Fairfax surveyors. I have the copy of his Elswick survey and Joseph How (Howe)'s name is on it. Thanks, Jemima Gee Morse

In a message dated 06/24/2000 12:36:12 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << I have conflicting names/spelling for a church in Rig from newspaper articles although they might be different churches with one in Rig and then one somewhere else. They are: Oak Grove Methodist Church, Oak Dale Christian Church, and Oakdale Christian Church. Could someone please tell me if this is one or two churches and the correct spelling for Oakdale/Oak Dale. Thanks. Joyce Joyce, According to a book I have: Christian Church, Rig, WV, is also known as Oak Dale Christian Church, organized Jan 1, 1885. The deed for the land was recorded Hardy Co Court House Aug 3, 1886. It is a fundamental Bible believing Independent Church. It is located near Riggleman's Grocery, on a hill surrounded by white oak trees. The pastor in 1990 was Lynn Rohrbaugh (I believe she still is). . Oak Dale Presbyterian Chapel at Rig, WV is located among white oak trees and is on a hill three-tenths of a mile from Dick Riggleman's Grocery. Land for it was purchased in Sep 1912. In 1990, Rev Bruce A. MacBeth was pastor. Oak Grove United Methodist Church is located in Fisher, WV. There was an Oak Grove Church prior to 1881 but the building of this church began in 1881/82 when one room was built. The book states that the former Mount Olive Evangelical United Brethren (EUB) Church and the Methodist Church agreed to combine as the United Methodist Church in about 1968, Oak Grove and Mount Olive, of their own initiative were among the very first, if not the first, to merge. The cornerstone (with date) and the bell from the steeple of the EUB Church were incorporated into the Oak Grove structure and the Oak Grove dining area was named Mount Olive Fellowship hall. Hope this helps. Barbara Weese

[email protected] wrote June 24, 2000 Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] HAMPSHIRE COUNTY ESTATES, PRE 1800 > Lydia was almost certainly a Radcliff. However, it may have been > the name of her first husband...if she had one. Gary, Lydia Unknown 1721-1798 (per Archibald Thompson Diary) was twenty years of age when my 5th g-grandmother, Mary Elswick was born in 1741. It's unlikely she had been married earlier. She had four children under eight years of age when John Elswick II died abt. 1748-1749. She re-married Jacob Lorton and had two children: Israel, b. Mar 1749, and Rebekah, June 1754. Do you have proof that Lydia was a Radcliff? We've found nothing to document her maiden name. Have you seen this Ratliff file? http://www.netlizard.com/matt2/ratliff.html Thanks, Jemima > > Gary Radcliffe > [email protected] > > ______________________________

I recently ordered a copy of the 1776 will of John Elswick, my 6th g-grandfather, from Hampshire Co., WV, Romney, WV. I had also asked for a copy of any estate settlements, and the clerk wrote that these had been sent to Charleston for filming and would be available to order after July 1, 2000 from: WV Division of Culture and History, Archives & History Section, The Cultural Center, 1900 Kanawha Blvd, East, Charleston, WV 25305-0300. She enclosed a partial list of documents pre-1800 that would be available. I am pasting the list below. The land willed by John I, who died bef 1759, was surveyed by George Washington, and was one of the first fifteen deeds in the area of Hampshire Co., which I've been told is now Hardy Co., WV. My 5th g-grandfather, John Elswick II, died abt 1748, and his estate settlement was in Augusta Co., VA, in 1749. His widow, Lydia Unknown Elswick (m. second Jacob Lorton) was in Montgomery Co., VA.abt 1749. I am interested in reaching anyone who may have ancestors who lived in these areas of Virginia and West Virginia pre 1800. I would especially like to learn the maiden surnmes of my grandmothers, Rachel and Lydia. Thanks, Jemima Gee Morse HAMPSHIRE COUNTY ESTATES (PRE 1800) Alexander, James 1773 Exec Bond & Appr Allen, John 1784 Appr 1785 Accnt Andrews, Peter 1767 Recording of Appr Arnold, Josiah 1755 Appr Arnold, Richard 1758 Exec Bond & Appr Ashbrooke, John 1763 Admin Bond, Sale Recd 1764, Div. of land Recd 1780 Ashpendale, Peter 1772 Admin Bond & Sale Beall, Capt. Benjamin 1765 Exec Bond, appr Recorded 1767 Beall, George 1797 Appr, 1800 Admin Accnt, 1804 Sett Beaver, John 1758 Admin Bond, 1761 Appr, 1763 Admin Bond, 1764 Appr Bell, Robert 1775 Admin Bond & Appr Biggins 1799 Sett Black, Eleanor 1799 Appr Blue, John 1770 Exec Bond, Appr Recorded 1772 Bogart, Gysbert 1778 Appr Bowell, William 1769 Admin Bond, 1771 Admin Bond & Appr Boyse, Riahcrd 1793 Admin Accnt Branson, Joseph 1780 Appr Brink, Hubert 1778 Appr Brown, Daniel 1780 Appr, 1790 Sett Bruce, Joseph 1783 Appr Bryant, Ambrose 1765 Admin Bond & Appr Bubert, Lanbert 1775 Appr Buffingon, William 1784 Probate of Will Burgon, John 1788 Recording of Appr Carlen, Andrew 1799 Appr & Sale Chandley, Stephen 1794 Appr Chapman, Charity 1797 Appr Chapman, William 1796 Appr & Sale Combs, Thomas 1791 Recording of Appr Connard, James 1796 Appr Cool, Philip 1795 Recording of Appr Corn, Andrew 1791 Recording of Appr Coulshine, Earnest 1796 Appr Cowan, Robert 1795 Appr Cresap, Michael 1792 Sett Crosley, Abel 1793 Appr Daugherty, Constantine 1764 & 1765 Admin Bonds, 1765 Appr (3 or Them) Davis, Theodorus 1767 Admin Bond & Appr Davis, Theophilus 1758 Admin Bond & Appr Decker, Luke 1757 Admin Bond, 1758/61 Apprs, 1767 Sett Delloyzea, Edward 1763 Admin Bond Delloytzea, James 1763 Admin bond & Appr, 1768 Admin Accnt Denton, Robert 1778 Appr Dobson, William 1798 Appr, 1800 Sett Drew, Perez 1797 Appr & Sale, 1826 Sett Earsome, John 1790 Appr, 1794 Sett Earsome, Simon 1797 Recording of Appr Edwards, David 1779 Appr Edwards, Joseph 1782 Appr, 1790 Sett Edwards, Thomas 1791 Appr. 1794 Sett Elswick, John 1759 Exec Bond, 1760 Appr Engle, Peter 1793 Appr Fairley, Thomas 1782 Appr (W. H. Rice - 1999)

I would like to find information for the Henry Oldaker, James Scott and James W. How/Howe in an attempt to learn the name of my 6th g-grandmother, Rachel Unknown. JOHN ELSWICK WILL HAMPSHIRE COUNTY, VA ROMNEY, W. VA. DEED BEED 1, Page 22 WILL, 23 Jan 1756 In the name of God, Amen, the 23 Day of January, 1756 I, JOHN ELSWICK, of the County of Hampshire and Colloney of Virginia being weak in body but of perfect mind and memory Thanks be given to God. Therefore calling unto mind the mortality of my body and knowing it is apointed unto all men once to dye Do make and ordain this my Last Will and Testament. That is to say princaply and first of all I give and recomend my soul into the hands of God that give it and my body I recommend to the Earth to be buried at the discretion of my Executors. Nothing Doubting but at the General Resurrection I shall receive the same Again by the mighty power of God and as touching such Worldly Estate where with it hath _______and despose of the same in the following manner and form. This to say for my executors to make sail by way of Publick Vandue of all of my land buildings mills stock of cattle horses mares or what else to me belonging or any ways apertaining and every perticuler part thereof whether moveable or other ways and the monies arising thereby to be desposed of as followeth: I give to my Son Thomas Elswick five shills. To my Daughter Rachell Anderson five shillins. and to my Son John, decd. heirs five shill and to my grand Daughter Rachell Elswick __________shill _________and after paying all my Debts and other Necessary charges arising The over ___to be my real and absolute Estate of my Dearly beloved Wife Rachell Elswick and Every part thereof Whether more or less without any manner of condition. And I do hereby constitute, apoint, and ordain Henry Oldakre and my Beloved Wife Rachell Elswick to be my executors of this my Last Will and Testament. And I do hereby uterly disalow revoke & and disannul all and every other former Testament Will Legaces and bequest and executors by me in any ways before named. Willed and Bequeathing notifying and confirming this and no other to be my Last Will and Testament In witness whereof I have here unto set my hand & seal the day and year above written /s/ John (X) Elswick (his mark) (seal) Signd. Seald. publishd pronounced & Declared by the sd. John Elswick as his Last will and Testament in presence of us /s/ Joseph W. How /s/ James (X) Scott (his mark) John Elswick Last Will and Testament Recorded Will Bk. 1-22, Page 1 191 This last Will and Testament of John Elswick deced. was presented in Court by Rachel Elswick the Executrix therein named proved by the oaths of Joseph How & James Scott Witnesses thereto and ordered to be Recorded and on the motion of the said Executrix who made oath according to Law certificate is granted herefore obtaining a probat thereof in due form __security where upon shall together with Joseph How & Thomas Elswick her securities entered into ________ penalty of Four (?) hundred pounds ___for the said Rachel _____ administration of ___ performance of __will Teste /s/ ______Jones (title)

I have conflicting names/spelling for a church in Rig from newspaper articles although they might be different churches with one in Rig and then one somewhere else. They are: Oak Grove Methodist Church, Oak Dale Christian Church, and Oakdale Christian Church. Could someone please tell me if this is one or two churches and the correct spelling for Oakdale/Oak Dale. Thanks. Joyce

HI, one of the lists had a query for Korean vet casualties. I have the Orange County California,Register newspaper list of Vietnam War casualties for Orange Co. from the Preamble of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, DC. Will check for anyone.. Could be the list may be available on the internet too. It gives the branch of service, their rank and dob/dod. Shirley

Hello Jeff, I don't know anything of the Liggett line, but my Nicholas Mace purchased/leased some land from an Alexander Liggate(sp) in 1779 in Hardy(Hampshire). I believe there is a listing of the trransaction in Larry Schuck's book. Bill

Does anyone recognize the marriages and who are the parents of the CARR women? Joseph LIGGETT m. Elizabeth CARR 24 Dec 1809 Hardy Co, (W)VA Jacob HAWSE m. Mary CARR 15 Jun 1817 Hardy Co, (W)VA They were performed by Valentine Powers. Jeff Carr of TX researching Carr, Daly, Furse, Gibbs, Hale, Killian, McCammon, McKnight, Merrill, Moore, Mundine, Smith, Thompson, Tuckwood, Walker, Wallace, Wheeler and allied lines ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.