No, Herman and I do not disagree. I remembered the original question dealing with "United Brethre.n" The answer came back about checking the early Methodist histories. I think the query had to do with the "Brethren" group founded by Otterbein and I do not think early Methodist history would have contained any information on those early Brethren or United Brethren ministers. The UB church became EUB around 1946 and lost the brethren name altogether in the 1960's when they merged with the Methodists to become The United Methodists. Mike HERMON B FAGLEY wrote: > I think Mike and I differ. I think of Brethern as a seperate church.from > the Germanic > Methodist United Brethern. The early Methodists often preached among the > Germans. > Our Phillip Gatch,the 2nd American born Methodist circut-rider,was of a > Germanic family > Methodist Bishop Francis Asbury often traveled with a German translator. > The United > Brethern church was founded by [?] Otterbien in [?] Fred Co,Md. He had > traveled with Asbury. > My own Germanic Fagaly,in downtown Cincinnati,1810,and 1850,here at > Bethel,attended > Methodist services. But, 1820's widow Fagaly moved to the country,and > started a U.B. church,know > known,as Mt Zion United Methodist. It seems to me all the UNITED BRETHERN > churches, now fall > under that United Methodist label. Which is not the case with the German > church known as BRETHERN. > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:10:17 -0700 "Roland Elliott" > <rolandelliott@thegrid.net> writes: > > Let us go back a hair,My Great-grandfather John Perry Elliott was a > > minister > > for the "Brethren " Church in NE with the "Heathen" and I have found > > Alkires, Odels,Perry,Shield and others that were Scots.R > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Veerle Foreman" <vforeman@shentel.net> > > To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 18 19 PM > > Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Cumberland,Md Methodist circut formed > > 1783. > > > > > > The original query as to the "Brethren" church should be > > distinguished from > > the Methodist Church. The United Brethren were a seperatist group > > that > > formed from > > German linked Dunkards. They were prominent in PA, OHIO, western VA, > > WV and > > parts of IN. Merged with another group in the 1940's, they became > > The > > Evangelical United Brethren and they, in turn, merged with the > > Methodists > > in the 1960's. > > Thus, the early Methodist history would not have any information on > > the > > early Brethren ministers. > > > > Mike Foreman > > > > HERMON B FAGLEY wrote: > > > > > We have a Bloom Rose U.B. church and major cemetary on the > > Clermont- > > > Brown Co,Oh line. > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:49:08 -0400 "Bill Pyles" <wpyles@cfl.rr.com> > > > writes: > > > > I think you will find that Bishop Francis Asbury also preached > > at the > > > > Blooming Rose Methodist Church in Friendsville, MD about then. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > Bill Pyles, Titusville, FL --New e-mail address: > > WPyles@cfl.rr.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "HERMON B FAGLEY" <hermfagley@juno.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:15 PM > > > > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Cumberland,Md Methodist circut formed > > 1783. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes called the Old Town,Md circut, but I'm sure circut > > > > riders on > > > > > itpreached in > > > > > s Pa,and nw Va[WV] . Had 50 members soon after > > > > formation,from,I'll > > > > > guess, the > > > > > South Branch circut of 1782,cut from the Berkley circut of > > 1778. > > > > > May,28,1784,the Redstone Methodist circut of sw Pa was formed. > > All > > > > of Pa > > > > > west of > > > > > Allegany Mts. John Cooper and Samuel Breese. > > > > > Local minister,Robert Wooster preahed in the Uniontown,Pa area > > > > from 1780. > > > > > Bishop Francis Asbury preached in Uniontown,sw Pa in 1784,and > > > > 1785-wILSON > > > > > > > > > > LEE rode a 1785 circut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

What ever happened it was before 1850.R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veerle Foreman" <vforeman@shentel.net> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 19 45 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Cumberland,Md Methodist circut formed 1783. No, Herman and I do not disagree. I remembered the original question dealing with "United Brethre.n" The answer came back about checking the early Methodist histories. I think the query had to do with the "Brethren" group founded by Otterbein and I do not think early Methodist history would have contained any information on those early Brethren or United Brethren ministers. The UB church became EUB around 1946 and lost the brethren name altogether in the 1960's when they merged with the Methodists to become The United Methodists. Mike HERMON B FAGLEY wrote: > I think Mike and I differ. I think of Brethern as a seperate church.from > the Germanic > Methodist United Brethern. The early Methodists often preached among the > Germans. > Our Phillip Gatch,the 2nd American born Methodist circut-rider,was of a > Germanic family > Methodist Bishop Francis Asbury often traveled with a German translator. > The United > Brethern church was founded by [?] Otterbien in [?] Fred Co,Md. He had > traveled with Asbury. > My own Germanic Fagaly,in downtown Cincinnati,1810,and 1850,here at > Bethel,attended > Methodist services. But, 1820's widow Fagaly moved to the country,and > started a U.B. church,know > known,as Mt Zion United Methodist. It seems to me all the UNITED BRETHERN > churches, now fall > under that United Methodist label. Which is not the case with the German > church known as BRETHERN. > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:10:17 -0700 "Roland Elliott" > <rolandelliott@thegrid.net> writes: > > Let us go back a hair,My Great-grandfather John Perry Elliott was a > > minister > > for the "Brethren " Church in NE with the "Heathen" and I have found > > Alkires, Odels,Perry,Shield and others that were Scots.R > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Veerle Foreman" <vforeman@shentel.net> > > To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 18 19 PM > > Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Cumberland,Md Methodist circut formed > > 1783. > > > > > > The original query as to the "Brethren" church should be > > distinguished from > > the Methodist Church. The United Brethren were a seperatist group > > that > > formed from > > German linked Dunkards. They were prominent in PA, OHIO, western VA, > > WV and > > parts of IN. Merged with another group in the 1940's, they became > > The > > Evangelical United Brethren and they, in turn, merged with the > > Methodists > > in the 1960's. > > Thus, the early Methodist history would not have any information on > > the > > early Brethren ministers. > > > > Mike Foreman > > > > HERMON B FAGLEY wrote: > > > > > We have a Bloom Rose U.B. church and major cemetary on the > > Clermont- > > > Brown Co,Oh line. > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:49:08 -0400 "Bill Pyles" <wpyles@cfl.rr.com> > > > writes: > > > > I think you will find that Bishop Francis Asbury also preached > > at the > > > > Blooming Rose Methodist Church in Friendsville, MD about then. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > Bill Pyles, Titusville, FL --New e-mail address: > > WPyles@cfl.rr.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "HERMON B FAGLEY" <hermfagley@juno.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:15 PM > > > > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Cumberland,Md Methodist circut formed > > 1783. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes called the Old Town,Md circut, but I'm sure circut > > > > riders on > > > > > itpreached in > > > > > s Pa,and nw Va[WV] . Had 50 members soon after > > > > formation,from,I'll > > > > > guess, the > > > > > South Branch circut of 1782,cut from the Berkley circut of > > 1778. > > > > > May,28,1784,the Redstone Methodist circut of sw Pa was formed. > > All > > > > of Pa > > > > > west of > > > > > Allegany Mts. John Cooper and Samuel Breese. > > > > > Local minister,Robert Wooster preahed in the Uniontown,Pa area > > > > from 1780. > > > > > Bishop Francis Asbury preached in Uniontown,sw Pa in 1784,and > > > > 1785-wILSON > > > > > > > > > > LEE rode a 1785 circut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.