I have followed this discussion and I have uncovered 3 murders (so far), a couple suicides, and a father putting 6 daughters in the childrens home without the mother's knowledge, threatening and hurting his wife and walking away. All goes in my family history as without it seems I would be re-writing history and white washing the family. All of the above and what happens to our ancestors growing up blends together and makes us who we are today. I understand my Mom so much better today than I ever did before I began this search for Jesse. I am sorry about the deaths no matter how they happened. But I am more upset with the actions of my grandfather who left his 6 daughters in the childrens home and walked away with out a backward glance it seems. I wouldn't be here if my Grandma hadn't been pregnant with my Mom and most likely didn't know it when the above took place. The strangest thing about this is I knew more than my Aunt's children. I knew my/our Grandma, they wouldn't give her a chance due to reasons I can almost understand now. I never heard Grandma say one bad thing about my Mom's Dad. BUT my cousins of Mom's sisters have him a white knight on a white horse and Grandma the villain. Unfortunately they don't believe any of the documents even post cards written by Grandma to her Mom 1910 describing what may have been the last time she saw "ole" Jess. My Mom was 10 months old at that time and Grandma gave her to a family to take care of her so she wouldn't end up in the childrens home. Unfortunately I can't find anyone alive that remembers anything about the people Mom stayed with. It doesn't end here as my husband learned he was adopted by his father at the age of 55 so now we don't have a clue "who" we are. His biological Mom kept him at birth. Not a word of this was spoken when he was young and I feel I would be wrong not to include this tiny little face saving fact his mother didn't tell. Tootsie Shoemaker -- "Lord, keep your arm around my shoulders....and your hand over my mouth."

I have a Joseph Coberly b. ca. 1791 (son of Isaac, who was the son of Dr. James Stell Cubberly) who married Nancy Williams. I have a good bit of information about the Williams and their ancestry. Very little about the Coberly's. Jackie

Direct lines- Cubberly/Coberly Orahood (and lots of other spellings) Married into these- Carr Monday Grimes Norman Stookey Hill Grove Douglass Sears Feaster Nipper Hogbin Riggleman Jones

That's a great story! LOL!! Thanks. Mickay Miller

My family names: ATHEY RAY MYTINGER PARRISH SUMMERS BOBO MCNEMAR

In a message dated 1/5/2004 2:15:37 PM Mountain Standard Time, singhals@erols.com writes: <<Other medical information -- I don't share most of it, but I keep track of it and share discretely if it seems appropriate. With health and life insurance companies getting so nosy, it doesn't seem right to pass out information that COULD affect someone else.>> On the other hand, I include cause of death in the fields. (But I don't generally share information about living people unless I know that person very well.) Cause of death includes recent info as well. My grandfather and granduncle both died of prostate cancer that was noticed in the 70s, but nothing was done by the doctors. It reminded me of the syphilis epidemic of the late 19th and early 20th Century. Doctors just did not discuss these things with their patients unless it was under certain circumstances. Other causes of death range from suicide (1890s when a girl was upset when the man she loved married another woman), TB (an epidemic took 5 out of 8 family members), floods, and even teething. It took a bit of research, but a lot of infants died of teething and ear infections that became out of control. Basically, if it's on a death certificate, newspaper, county vitals, etc., I include it. I probably keep track of too much information like what country church they belong, occupation in the military, will/probate dates, residences/years...anything that gives some insight or character to my ancestors and their families besides the usual name, birth, death, marriage. Affiliated families: Appley, Asbury, Ayers, Barnum, Bauder/Bader, Bowling, Briggs, Burton, Carr, Clark, Dyer, Ecker, Finch, Flannery, Fox, Grim, Goodale, Hall, Hardendorf, Harman, Harper, Hawk, Hayes, Henkle/Hinkle, Keith, Marcy, Miller, Pier, Sawyer, Summerfield, Schenk, Shepard, Slocum, Strong, Teter, Tinkham, Thompson/Thomson, Tripp, Vansant, Walker, Whitlam, Wilks/Wilkes, Wolford, Wood, Woolever. http://www.treelines.com http://www.lineage.net Regards, Diane Wolford ====Useful sites==== http://rwguide.rootsweb.com/ (Hints for starting) http://communities.msn.com/AGenealogyExperience (A Genealogy Experience)

Pat, I have a Nancy Ann Foley b. abt 1730 and died abou 1819 in Frnot Royal, VA. She married Spencer Lehew, Sr. who was son of Peter Lehew. Since not in WV write me at ewhitteh2@comcast.net. Thanks, Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Foley" <Patndi@westco.net> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Roll Call > I have an Elizabeth (?) Dunn married a Foley in Upshur County VA/WV late > 1700's would like to find out more about them. Any ideas?? If interested > in names and date let me know will have to look up as my memory is not so > great any more and materials are at my mothers. > Ginger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GenealogySix@aol.com> > To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:15 PM > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Roll Call > > > > I descend from Dr.Lewis Dunn who was born in the mid 1700s where I don't > > know. He was a medical doctor in Hampshire County, Virginia where his > estate was > > probated in 1837. > > > > > > His daughter was Mary Ann Dunn who married J. Thomas Beall of Asa Beall > abt. > > 1816 in Hampshire County, VA. They settled in Frostburg, MD Allegany > County, > > MD. > > > > I have other families that are tied to the Hampshire area, but have yet to > > find any info on them. Their surnames are: > > > > Sturman/ Stirman/ Steerman > > > > Clevenger/ Cleavenger > > > > >

I have an Elizabeth (?) Dunn married a Foley in Upshur County VA/WV late 1700's would like to find out more about them. Any ideas?? If interested in names and date let me know will have to look up as my memory is not so great any more and materials are at my mothers. Ginger ----- Original Message ----- From: <GenealogySix@aol.com> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:15 PM Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Roll Call > I descend from Dr.Lewis Dunn who was born in the mid 1700s where I don't > know. He was a medical doctor in Hampshire County, Virginia where his estate was > probated in 1837. > > > His daughter was Mary Ann Dunn who married J. Thomas Beall of Asa Beall abt. > 1816 in Hampshire County, VA. They settled in Frostburg, MD Allegany County, > MD. > > I have other families that are tied to the Hampshire area, but have yet to > find any info on them. Their surnames are: > > Sturman/ Stirman/ Steerman > > Clevenger/ Cleavenger >

Suicide is in almost anyone's family tree. Personally, I have included it. Just as I have other forms of death, car accidents, train accidents, murder. I found articles on where one man murdered his wife in the home with the children present, it's ugly but it happened, so it's in there. Do you omit children that are born out of wedlock? Conceived prior to marriage? Face it, it's part of the tree. Sometimes it's not all pretty. Kathy Heare Watts Sevierville, TN

I'm aware of two in my tree - one direct ancestor, and one second (and non-ancestral) spouse. The first is according to another researcher, which I have not been able to confirm in any records (it happened in 1865), and the second according to the obituary published at the time. I have posted these, and no one has objected. Researching these 8 greats: Pickering-Snyder-Roach-Teegardin-Hodges-Evans-Kantner-Shifflet + these contributing Pickering/Snyder lines: Orndorff-Kinsey-Beall And, of course, many more! Peruse our entire GEDCOM at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~kpickering ONWARD AND BACKWARD! Kurt Pickering, IBSSG La Vergne, TN Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 22:50:13 -0500 From: "Zorina A. Chaffin" <zorina@visuallink.com> To: WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00e201c3d276$0bc3a190$cecdc241@zorina> Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] question ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been told by a couple of folks that it is inappropriate to put "suicide" or information about said event in family tree info. How do you folks feel about that? Couldn't such info be pertinent? Zorina _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

An applicant for life insurance was too embarrassded to state his father had been hanged as a horse thief so he wrote, "He died at a public function when the platform gave way." MIke Foreman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Edwards" <ziggy.retired@charter.net> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] question ???- suicides > My aunt has a g-great uncle that the death cert. said he died of > stranglation, after much research it was found out that he was hung as a > horse thief. Turns out that the person who typed the death certs.was a > friend of the family. So even then to save the family some grace, things can > be not as they seem. > > Jerry Edwards > Vincennes, IN. > Edwards/Bennett/Carrier/Mote/Patty/Haitt/eitt/yatt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine D Tomkins" <edtom@fuse.net> > To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] question ???- suicides > > > > I agree with Genie on this. My father had a cousin who went to great > > lengths to end his life with a shotgun blast to the head on a Cumberland > > street in the 1920's. It's all in my genealogy, since it was in the > > newspaper (in great detail). For a recent suicide, I would simply list > > cause of death as suicide (unless it would cause an immediate family > > member emotional pain), with no further details, OR give cause of death > > as gunshot (or whatever), omitting the fact that it was self-inflicted. > > Such things are usually published in the newspapers anyway. I would > > file the details in my research notes for future use by whoever carries > > on the work of the family genealogy. My father had some "colorful" > > relatives in Hampshire Co in the early 20th Century--a little too > > colorful for my taste--one woman was suspected of poisoning her husband > > (she quickly left the county never to be heard from again when they > > exhumed the body) and another cousin went on a murderous rampage. My > > paternal relatives are all "normal" now (I think) and somewhat boring by > > comparison--Thank God! > > > > Genie wrote: > > > > >Such sensitivity should apply perhaps to recently > > >deceased cases with still-living immediate > > >family, but I see no reason at all to omit such > > >facts about our ancestors from family trees or > > >genealogies.... > > > > > > > > > > > >

My aunt has a g-great uncle that the death cert. said he died of stranglation, after much research it was found out that he was hung as a horse thief. Turns out that the person who typed the death certs.was a friend of the family. So even then to save the family some grace, things can be not as they seem. Jerry Edwards Vincennes, IN. Edwards/Bennett/Carrier/Mote/Patty/Haitt/eitt/yatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine D Tomkins" <edtom@fuse.net> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] question ???- suicides > I agree with Genie on this. My father had a cousin who went to great > lengths to end his life with a shotgun blast to the head on a Cumberland > street in the 1920's. It's all in my genealogy, since it was in the > newspaper (in great detail). For a recent suicide, I would simply list > cause of death as suicide (unless it would cause an immediate family > member emotional pain), with no further details, OR give cause of death > as gunshot (or whatever), omitting the fact that it was self-inflicted. > Such things are usually published in the newspapers anyway. I would > file the details in my research notes for future use by whoever carries > on the work of the family genealogy. My father had some "colorful" > relatives in Hampshire Co in the early 20th Century--a little too > colorful for my taste--one woman was suspected of poisoning her husband > (she quickly left the county never to be heard from again when they > exhumed the body) and another cousin went on a murderous rampage. My > paternal relatives are all "normal" now (I think) and somewhat boring by > comparison--Thank God! > > Genie wrote: > > >Such sensitivity should apply perhaps to recently > >deceased cases with still-living immediate > >family, but I see no reason at all to omit such > >facts about our ancestors from family trees or > >genealogies.... > > > > >

At 09:26 AM 01/03/2004 -0600, Elizabeth wrote: >John McCullough was born in Belfast, Ireland Oct. 7, 1803 >4. John McCullough lived on the Potomac River & his first son, Edward, was >born in Hampshire Co. >The census record for 1850 is in District 24. Does this pinpoint where they >lived? Is this the man indexed as John McCully, born Ireland? And who appears in the 1870 as John McCulloch? If so -- in 1870, he was in Bloomery district; in 1850, he's 12 houses away from Peter Alkire and 4 or 5 --in the other direction-- from Samuel Arnold, if that helps anyone tell you where he was. I don't hear any chimes myself. Cheryl *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Cheryl Singhal (Singhals@erols.com) http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ http://bottonycross.purpleflowers.net (Bottony Cross DAR) http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

I think ALL information should be included except that which living family might object to; I try to put all facts or even speculation (noted as such) into notes which aren't given to everyone. For myself, suicide or illegitimacy are not disgraceful or dishonorable but do indicate the hardships of our ancestors' lives. Ignorance may be bliss but knowledge may help us avoid repeating mistakes. Mickay

I not only have a suicide in my family (my dad's uncle by marriage) but also a "desperado" who was pursued by a posse and shot in the 1880's. A few years later this fellow's son was out for revenge and when my great-grandfather wouldn't help him he kidnapped a daughter (Gertrude) of my great-grandparents, whom he later married. This was Gertrude's first marriage, and the guy who committed suicide (above) was her second. The "desperado" (actually he was a petty thief) was a cousin of my great-grandmother. Also, my dad's aunt by marriage killed her baby in 1927 because she was afraid her husband (Dad's uncle) would find out he wasn't the father. They lived with my grandparents and my grandmother found the baby's body the next morning. It was in all the papers and made Indiana law history because it was the first case where an insanity plea was used. I put a book together last fall, just for the family, and included all these stories. My aunt thought perhaps some of it should have been left out, but it is part of our history - and you must admit - makes for very interesting reading!! Adina

I descend from Dr.Lewis Dunn who was born in the mid 1700s where I don't know. He was a medical doctor in Hampshire County, Virginia where his estate was probated in 1837. His daughter was Mary Ann Dunn who married J. Thomas Beall of Asa Beall abt. 1816 in Hampshire County, VA. They settled in Frostburg, MD Allegany County, MD. I have other families that are tied to the Hampshire area, but have yet to find any info on them. Their surnames are: Sturman/ Stirman/ Steerman Clevenger/ Cleavenger

At 10:50 PM 01/03/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I have been told by a couple of folks that it is inappropriate to put >"suicide" or information about said event in family tree info. How do you >folks feel about that? Couldn't such info be pertinent? >Zorina Depends. If suicide happened 50 years or more ago, I've put it in -- because the generation most affected has also died. If it happened last week, I've put it in -- because it made the newspapers and it's no secret. In between, I've waffled (g); if *I* found it in a newspaper, I've included it, but if it was only on the death certificate, I've left it out. Other medical information -- I don't share most of it, but I keep track of it and share discretely if it seems appropriate. With health and life insurance companies getting so nosy, it doesn't seem right to pass out information that COULD affect someone else. This help? *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Cheryl Singhal (Singhals@erols.com) http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ http://bottonycross.purpleflowers.net (Bottony Cross DAR) http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

State of WV, Department of Transportation puts out such maps -- maybe $1 per county. I think I've got that URL on the GenWeb page. Cheryl At 10:29 PM 01/03/2004 -0600, you wrote: >I am hoping for a county map that shows streams/creeks and any other >identification for research and to share with other family members. I have >one for several other counties in other states. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "D L Truck Sales" <dltrucksales@nntc.net> >To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:24 PM >Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] re: McCullough family > > >> Elizabeth - What kind of detailed map are you looking for? >> >> Clara in NE >> >> > > >

I agree with Genie on this. My father had a cousin who went to great lengths to end his life with a shotgun blast to the head on a Cumberland street in the 1920's. It's all in my genealogy, since it was in the newspaper (in great detail). For a recent suicide, I would simply list cause of death as suicide (unless it would cause an immediate family member emotional pain), with no further details, OR give cause of death as gunshot (or whatever), omitting the fact that it was self-inflicted. Such things are usually published in the newspapers anyway. I would file the details in my research notes for future use by whoever carries on the work of the family genealogy. My father had some "colorful" relatives in Hampshire Co in the early 20th Century--a little too colorful for my taste--one woman was suspected of poisoning her husband (she quickly left the county never to be heard from again when they exhumed the body) and another cousin went on a murderous rampage. My paternal relatives are all "normal" now (I think) and somewhat boring by comparison--Thank God! Genie wrote: >Such sensitivity should apply perhaps to recently >deceased cases with still-living immediate >family, but I see no reason at all to omit such >facts about our ancestors from family trees or >genealogies.... >

At this time, I don't know if Daniel is a descendant of Bartholemew. From: Susan J Gall [mailto:galls@juno.com] Do you know if your Andersons descend from Bartholemew Anderson b. June 6, 1710 in Hopewell, Hunterdon Co., NJ & wife Phoebe? Susan Gall Winston-Salem, NC On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:42:21 -0500 "Diane Klopp" <dklopp@ptd.net> writes: My connection to the Anderson family is through Caroline Anderson (1836-1893 d/o Daniel) who married James LaFollette (1827-1856). Diane