At 11:21 PM 01/07/2004 -0500, Adina Watkins Dyer wrote: >Does anyone know what happened to the Hampshire County GenWeb site? When I >try the link http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ it comes up with a blank >page. This is the link that is on the WVGenWeb site. > >Thanks! >Adina In geek-speak, there was a DNS-router outage. In non-geek-speaker, a key piece of equipment went bad and put up a road-block. It lasted about two days; it is reported fixed as of Wednesday, 7 Jan. Cheryl *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Cheryl Singhal (Singhals@erols.com) http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ http://bottonycross.purpleflowers.net (Bottony Cross DAR) http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

Interesting. It comes up with Netscape, but not Internet Explorer. I've had the reverse problem before, but not this one! Hmmmm..... Thanks everyone! Adina

W. Va. became a state in June 1863. Mineral Co. was carved out of Hampshire Co. in 1866. Bill and Carole Pyles wrote: >I hope you are looking in Mineral County, West Virginia, after 1860. I forget the exact date that section of Hampshire County become Mineral County and a change to West Virginia. > >

Does anyone know what happened to the Hampshire County GenWeb site? When I try the link http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ it comes up with a blank page. This is the link that is on the WVGenWeb site. Thanks! Adina

Hi, I am going on a limb here and trying to flesh out my ancestor. He was a carpenter and I have him in the census 1850 and 1860 Hampshire county, New Creek area......besides that, I don't have much on him. What I want to know is if anyone has him listed in their ancestors probates as owing money to!!! This will just give me a better feeling of what my ancestors were about when they lived in Hampshire County. Did he build town buildings? Did he build homes??? barns? If anyone runs across the name William TROUTEN or TROUTON in their ancestors documentation, I would love to hear from you!!! I haven't located any cemeteries in Hampshire county for TROUTEN's or the marriage of their children who didn't move to Ohio with them or a deed selling the land when they moved or anything that gives me a feel for what their lives were like. Your help greatly appreciated. Sue researching TROUTEN _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

I hope you are looking in Mineral County, West Virginia, after 1860. I forget the exact date that section of Hampshire County become Mineral County and a change to West Virginia. Bill Pyles ----- Original Message ----- From: sue kolnitys To: WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Who paid the carpenter??? Hi, I am going on a limb here and trying to flesh out my ancestor. He was a carpenter and I have him in the census 1850 and 1860 Hampshire county, New Creek area......besides that, I don't have much on him. What I want to know is if anyone has him listed in their ancestors probates as owing money to!!! This will just give me a better feeling of what my ancestors were about when they lived in Hampshire County. Did he build town buildings? Did he build homes??? barns? If anyone runs across the name William TROUTEN or TROUTON in their ancestors documentation, I would love to hear from you!!! I haven't located any cemeteries in Hampshire county for TROUTEN's or the marriage of their children who didn't move to Ohio with them or a deed selling the land when they moved or anything that gives me a feel for what their lives were like. Your help greatly appreciated. Sue researching TROUTEN _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Sims Index to Land Grants in West Virginia Charleston, W. Va.: unknown, 1952 Lists Grantee as William Trouten, 12 acres, on Crooked Run, 1848, in Bk. 7, pg. 252. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

This is good to read every now and then. I find it inspiring and thank you for sharing it. Mickay I have one g grandfather who apparently had one family I know little about except that there they are in a census for VA; later he remarried and ran off with his step daughter to PA, returned to VA with the offspring from that liaison, telling the mother (who married and had a large family in PA) that the baby had died. Really he had placed it with a doctor in Gore and later his mother did get to see him. That g grandfather was apparently so out of favor with the rest of the family that I knew nothing of him until I started pursuing genealogy, yet I still am avid to find more information about the old reprobate! In another line my gg grandfather ran off with a much younger girl when his wife died, married her according to records I've seen, but ended up in the poorhouse but luckily for him rescued so he lived out his days with a son, my great grandfather James Peter Bailey. And I'd still like to know what drove the old rogue, his father, Thornton Bailey.

Rsearching the following surnames: Foreman Forman Evans Kessell Sine Whitacre The real challenges: Amos Foreman married Hannah Goff in 1801 in Frederick County. He died in 1801. Who were his parents? Caleb Evans was in Hampshire County in 1800. His wife was Eve Waddel. Who were his parents? Benjamin Evans was in Hampshire County circa 1815 and lived near Benjamin. How or was he related to Caleb? Who were Benjamin's parents?

We also have an ancestor that was born so early that her Grandmother, who had delivered her, tucked her within her blouse, and 'wore' her for several weeks, nursing her, but never taking her from the warmth of her body.I believe that she was born 2 and 1/2 months early. She lived and went on to rear a large family of her own. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" <genielists@yahoo.com> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Not always "Illegitimate" > Just so you know, there waa a time past when > ministers were so rare in some parts of the > country, that families allowed "marriages" to > occur without benefit of ceremony until the next > circuit riding preacher came around to make it > "legal" - sometimes not until the next spring or > summer. I suspect that more than a few of these > marriages occurred in the hills of what is now WV > and more than a few children were probably born > "early" relative to the official marriage date. > > A second point - an ancestor of mine, the last of > 4 children, weighed only a couple of lbs. when > he was born, presumably quite early. He was so > small that his father could hold him in the palm > of his hand, with just his feet dangling off. He > was not expected to live, but his grandmother > kept him in a little box on the open door of the > wood stove oven and, with his mother's milk, > nourished him to health, almost willing him to > live. So don't automatically assume that all > those 6- or 7-mo. babies were conceived "behind > the woodshed" - they may have just been lucky > preemies! Lucky for us, too, if they were our > direct ancestors! > > --- Michael Foreman <vforeman@shentel.net> > wrote: > > A great posting Tootsie. > > > > I have never understood why some think we are > > going to be held accountable > > for the "sins" and errors of our ancestors. > > And if those same people > > believe our "sins" and errors will cause our > > ancestors to be cast from > > paradise? Gonna be a mighty empty space if > > these two beliefs are true. > > > > When I first began my search, one elderly aunt > > said to me, "You'd better > > leave well enough alone. You might find > > something we ought not to know." > > > > It was not too long into the search I think I > > stumbled on what she meant. > > Back a few generations, there was a marriage in > > May with the first child > > arriving in November. The chances of a baby > > that premature surving in the > > remote area where they lived and at that time > > were slim. > > > > Should I have altered the marriage date and the > > birth date? Did that fact > > change my opinion of them as good and decent > > people whose very existence and > > marriage resulted in my being here? No, it did > > not and only causes me to > > repeat as I learn the truth about all, "I am > > here because they were here. > > And if they sinned, 'there but for rhe grace of > > God, go I.' " > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > >

Dear Cheryl, A researcher found John McCully in the 1850 census for me. The children's name were correct so this must be my family. Had not found John in the 1870 census except a 26 year old living in a boarding house. He worked on the railroad. Have checked my local library and Ancestry.com on the library computer. Did you find another John McCullough beside the 26 year old? Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "singhals" <singhals@erols.com> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] New information on my McCullough family > At 09:26 AM 01/03/2004 -0600, Elizabeth wrote: > > >John McCullough was born in Belfast, Ireland Oct. 7, 1803 > > >4. John McCullough lived on the Potomac River & his first son, Edward, was > >born in Hampshire Co. > >The census record for 1850 is in District 24. Does this pinpoint where they > >lived? > > Is this the man indexed as John McCully, born Ireland? And who appears in > the 1870 as John McCulloch? > > If so -- in 1870, he was in Bloomery district; in 1850, he's 12 houses away > from Peter Alkire and 4 or 5 --in the other direction-- from Samuel Arnold, > if that helps anyone tell you where he was. I don't hear any chimes myself. > > Cheryl > *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* > Cheryl Singhal (Singhals@erols.com) > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ > http://bottonycross.purpleflowers.net (Bottony Cross DAR) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ > http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC) > > > >

I have Hook and McKee ancestors from Hampshire Co., VA. Richard J. Robinson, b. abt 1812, m. Nancy Hook, born early 1800s. Nancy was the daughter of Thomas Hook, if I remember correctly and this Hook line married into the McKee line a generation or two earlier. Does this info ring a bell? I can verify these details and possibly provide more info if there is a relation. Hampshire Co., VA lines: Robinson Hook McKee Please get in touch, Chris >From: "Zorina A. Chaffin" <zorina@visuallink.com> >Reply-To: WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com >To: WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] ROLL CALL >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:48:47 -0500 > >Have a Benjamin L. Anderson m. to Lillie Belle Sale. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Diane Klopp" <dklopp@ptd.net> >To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:55 AM >Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] ROLL CALL > > > > HOOK > > KELSO > > McKEE > > LaFOLLETTE > > ANDERSON > > GARVIN > > > > William HOOK was born in England. Robert McKEE and James KELSO came from > > Ireland, but are believed to be Scot-Irish. The LaFOLLETTE family first > > settled in New Jersey from France, and then moved to Hampshire County. > > > > Diane Hook Klopp > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com

Mike, That is one of things that makes this "monster" that we do so much fun. The stories that we find out. I do not care whose family you are from, there is always one of those uncles. aunts, or what have you that no one talks about or does so in whispers. Or the wedding date and birth date are a little to close, well were they people to? I have a story in My family of a g-g-great aunt after her husband died "being of sound mind and body" took care of her 5 boys. She ran a house of ill repute on the Ohio river. That to Me is nothing to be ashamed of, she did what she had to do to raise those boys. What I think is funny is seeing the faces of the straight laced family memebers when I talk of it out loud for God and everyone to hear. Come on folks get a sense of humor. Jerry Edwards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie" <genielists@yahoo.com> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Not always "Illegitimate" > Just so you know, there waa a time past when > ministers were so rare in some parts of the > country, that families allowed "marriages" to > occur without benefit of ceremony until the next > circuit riding preacher came around to make it > "legal" - sometimes not until the next spring or > summer. I suspect that more than a few of these > marriages occurred in the hills of what is now WV > and more than a few children were probably born > "early" relative to the official marriage date. > > A second point - an ancestor of mine, the last of > 4 children, weighed only a couple of lbs. when > he was born, presumably quite early. He was so > small that his father could hold him in the palm > of his hand, with just his feet dangling off. He > was not expected to live, but his grandmother > kept him in a little box on the open door of the > wood stove oven and, with his mother's milk, > nourished him to health, almost willing him to > live. So don't automatically assume that all > those 6- or 7-mo. babies were conceived "behind > the woodshed" - they may have just been lucky > preemies! Lucky for us, too, if they were our > direct ancestors! > > --- Michael Foreman <vforeman@shentel.net> > wrote: > > A great posting Tootsie. > > > > I have never understood why some think we are > > going to be held accountable > > for the "sins" and errors of our ancestors. > > And if those same people > > believe our "sins" and errors will cause our > > ancestors to be cast from > > paradise? Gonna be a mighty empty space if > > these two beliefs are true. > > > > When I first began my search, one elderly aunt > > said to me, "You'd better > > leave well enough alone. You might find > > something we ought not to know." > > > > It was not too long into the search I think I > > stumbled on what she meant. > > Back a few generations, there was a marriage in > > May with the first child > > arriving in November. The chances of a baby > > that premature surving in the > > remote area where they lived and at that time > > were slim. > > > > Should I have altered the marriage date and the > > birth date? Did that fact > > change my opinion of them as good and decent > > people whose very existence and > > marriage resulted in my being here? No, it did > > not and only causes me to > > repeat as I learn the truth about all, "I am > > here because they were here. > > And if they sinned, 'there but for rhe grace of > > God, go I.' " > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > >

I hope no one finds this out of line. I meant to add this to my posting about whether we write down what we found or we don't. I don't know where I found the following but seems appropriate to me. I put it at the beginning of my family book. The Story Tellers We are the chosen. My feelings are in each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead breathing life into all who have gone on before. We are the storytellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called as it were by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to tell us. Tell our story. So, we do. In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family you would be proud of us? How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I do the things I do? It goes to seeing the cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying I can't let this happen. The bones are there are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. So we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are them and they are us. So, as the scribe called, I can tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers. That, is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those young and old to step up and put flesh on the bones. (Author Unknown) -- "Lord, keep your arm around my shoulders....and your hand over my mouth."

A great posting Tootsie. I have never understood why some think we are going to be held accountable for the "sins" and errors of our ancestors. And if those same people believe our "sins" and errors will cause our ancestors to be cast from paradise? Gonna be a mighty empty space if these two beliefs are true. When I first began my search, one elderly aunt said to me, "You'd better leave well enough alone. You might find something we ought not to know." It was not too long into the search I think I stumbled on what she meant. Back a few generations, there was a marriage in May with the first child arriving in November. The chances of a baby that premature surving in the remote area where they lived and at that time were slim. Should I have altered the marriage date and the birth date? Did that fact change my opinion of them as good and decent people whose very existence and marriage resulted in my being here? No, it did not and only causes me to repeat as I learn the truth about all, "I am here because they were here. And if they sinned, 'there but for rhe grace of God, go I.' " Mike Foreman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tootsie" <thelmamarie55@earthlink.net> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Family "stories" murder, suicides, etc > I have followed this discussion and I have uncovered 3 murders (so far), > a couple suicides, and a father putting 6 daughters in the childrens > home without the mother's knowledge, threatening and hurting his wife > and walking away. All goes in my family history as without it seems I > would be re-writing history and white washing the family. All of the > above and what happens to our ancestors growing up blends together and > makes us who we are today. I understand my Mom so much better today > than I ever did before I began this search for Jesse. > > I am sorry about the deaths no matter how they happened. But I am more > upset with the actions of my grandfather who left his 6 daughters in the > childrens home and walked away with out a backward glance it seems. I > wouldn't be here if my Grandma hadn't been pregnant with my Mom and most > likely didn't know it when the above took place. > > The strangest thing about this is I knew more than my Aunt's children. > I knew my/our Grandma, they wouldn't give her a chance due to reasons I > can almost understand now. I never heard Grandma say one bad thing > about my Mom's Dad. BUT my cousins of Mom's sisters have him a white > knight on a white horse and Grandma the villain. Unfortunately they > don't believe any of the documents even post cards written by Grandma to > her Mom 1910 describing what may have been the last time she saw "ole" > Jess. My Mom was 10 months old at that time and Grandma gave her to a > family to take care of her so she wouldn't end up in the childrens > home. Unfortunately I can't find anyone alive that remembers anything > about the people Mom stayed with. > > It doesn't end here as my husband learned he was adopted by his father > at the age of 55 so now we don't have a clue "who" we are. His > biological Mom kept him at birth. Not a word of this was spoken when he > was young and I feel I would be wrong not to include this tiny little > face saving fact his mother didn't tell. > > Tootsie Shoemaker > -- > "Lord, keep your arm around my shoulders....and your hand over my > mouth." > > > >

At 04:47 PM 01/05/2004 EST, SnowBeri wrote: [snip] >residences/years...anything that gives some insight or character to my ancestors and >their families besides the usual name, birth, death, marriage. > > [snip] Apparently you're more fortunate than I am. (G) The number of my family members who WANT insight into the characters of persons who died before they were born are extremely limited. For that matter, I venture to say that of my GFs descendants fewer than 3 are interested in even just the names. One side is interested in "are we kin to X who fought in the War Between the States?" and the other side is interested in "We're not related to that drunk are we!" [The answer to both is Yeah, as a matter of fact we are.] HOW we're related bores 'em to death. I have a friend who says it's pure meanness on his part that he includes all the "dirt" in the footnotes, in a font-size barely larger than want-ads, thus having his cake and eating it too. (g) Cheryl *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Cheryl Singhal (Singhals@erols.com) http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ http://bottonycross.purpleflowers.net (Bottony Cross DAR) http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

I love this story. Michael Foreman wrote: >An applicant for life insurance was too embarrassded to state his father had >been hanged as a horse thief so he wrote, "He died at a public function when >the platform gave way." > >

I know something of the Thomas Smith b. 1677 line from Hopewell NJ who came to Hampshire Co. with his brother-in-law John Parke I, - his sister Sarah Smith is my ancestor - they are both children of Andrew Smith of Hopewell NJ. I have some on his line further down - parts of the line eventually went to Rowan Co. NC to the Jersey Settlement area there. Also John Parke's son John Parke II had a daughter Anne Parke who married a James Smith who may be either a son of Thomas or a son of an Aaron Smith who was in Hampshire Co. area - this is something I've been trying to determine. Don't know if these are the Smiths you are looking for - they lived in or near Capon Bridge area near the Parkes, Arnolds, Edwards, etc. Susan Gall Winston-Salem, NC On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:07:28 EST FamResearcher@aol.com writes: > I am also interested in Smith. In particular, Smith in the period > 1780s to > 1850s in Hampshire Co. Are there other Smith researchers from this > time > period? > > Phyllis Frank > > >

Just so you know, there waa a time past when ministers were so rare in some parts of the country, that families allowed "marriages" to occur without benefit of ceremony until the next circuit riding preacher came around to make it "legal" - sometimes not until the next spring or summer. I suspect that more than a few of these marriages occurred in the hills of what is now WV and more than a few children were probably born "early" relative to the official marriage date. A second point - an ancestor of mine, the last of 4 children, weighed only a couple of lbs. when he was born, presumably quite early. He was so small that his father could hold him in the palm of his hand, with just his feet dangling off. He was not expected to live, but his grandmother kept him in a little box on the open door of the wood stove oven and, with his mother's milk, nourished him to health, almost willing him to live. So don't automatically assume that all those 6- or 7-mo. babies were conceived "behind the woodshed" - they may have just been lucky preemies! Lucky for us, too, if they were our direct ancestors! --- Michael Foreman <vforeman@shentel.net> wrote: > A great posting Tootsie. > > I have never understood why some think we are > going to be held accountable > for the "sins" and errors of our ancestors. > And if those same people > believe our "sins" and errors will cause our > ancestors to be cast from > paradise? Gonna be a mighty empty space if > these two beliefs are true. > > When I first began my search, one elderly aunt > said to me, "You'd better > leave well enough alone. You might find > something we ought not to know." > > It was not too long into the search I think I > stumbled on what she meant. > Back a few generations, there was a marriage in > May with the first child > arriving in November. The chances of a baby > that premature surving in the > remote area where they lived and at that time > were slim. > > Should I have altered the marriage date and the > birth date? Did that fact > change my opinion of them as good and decent > people whose very existence and > marriage resulted in my being here? No, it did > not and only causes me to > repeat as I learn the truth about all, "I am > here because they were here. > And if they sinned, 'there but for rhe grace of > God, go I.' " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus

I am also interested in Smith. In particular, Smith in the period 1780s to 1850s in Hampshire Co. Are there other Smith researchers from this time period? Phyllis Frank