Did I miss something about a book being found on the county? I'd be interested in anything on the Radcliffs. Except for the taxpayers list which I have. I promise not to get my hopes up. Gary Radcliffe glradciffe@aol.com

I think you can purchase the book directly from Dr. Wilmer Kerns. He reads this list and may answer. I will cc him this message. It was the book that got me interested in genealogy. There is no better written book, a very good index makes it a good reference book. Bill Pyles, Titusville, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: <Shanghai31@aol.com> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] SAVILLE, SAVILL, SAVELL > Bill, > > Any idea where I can purchase a copy of that book? > > The Shanholtzers are my line. > > Queet > >

Many of our ancestors that settled in Hampshire County came from Chester Co, PA or NJ. You will find most of the Savilles, Wilsons, Allens, Piles, Daniels, Ruckmans, Friends to name a few came in on the Delaware River, settled in Chester County or NJ, than came south to Maryland and on to Hampshire County before going west. Dr. Kerns book on Old Frederick County names many of those families with birthplaces, siblings or other relatives in those areas. Bill Pyles ----- Original Message ----- From: HERMON B FAGLEY <hermfagley@juno.com> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] SAVILLE, SAVILL, SAVELL > My uncle was Savyl Brown. His grandfather,who lived exactly here > 27 m east of Cincinnati,was Savil Justice. His grandfather lived across > the Delaware River from s Philadelphia at Woodbury,NJ was SEVIL WILSON > I'm told ,but can't prove,his grandfather was N IRISH Quaker, SEVIL > WILLSON,on Fenwick's 1675 ship to Salem,NJ. > With Bill Pyle's data should be mentioned that there were SEVILLE, > S E of Chester Co,Pa in Salem Co,NJ . > Pitts Grove Presbyterian,Salem Co,NJ expelled Hampshire's Henry > Van Meter,in the early 1740's,and took him back when he returned to > NJ. It's congregation,in sw NJ, like the Minisink -Wallpack area of > very nw > NJ, was settled by Kingston-Esopus NY Dutch-French like s Moorefield WV > > > On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:42:13 EST Shanghai31@aol.com writes: > > Bill, > > > > I am interested in ALL Saville's. I am not directing myself to just > > my > > lines. I would like to obtain any and all information and any and > > all > > connections there are. We are related somehow. LOL > > > > My line is: > > > > William Savell b: Abt. 1662 England md: Jane Pamplyn July 27, 1689 > > in > > Knapwell, Cambridge Co., England. > > > > 1. Joseph Savell b: May 12, 1686 Essex, England > > > > 2. Samuel Saville b: May 1, 1715 Essex, England d: Abt. > > 1790 Chester > > Co., PA md: Ann Booth > > > > 3. Joseph Saville b: 1745 Chester Co., PA d: Feb. 28, > > 1827 > > Hampshire Co., VA md: Martha Farra > > > > 4. Oliver B. Saville b: Oct. 1775 Berkeley Co., VA > > d: Oct. > > 19, 1855 Hampshire Co., VA md: Mary Shanholtzer > > > > 5. Zachary Uriah Saville b: 1811 Hampshire Co., > > VA d: > > Jennings Co., IN md: Catherine Shanholtzer > > > > 6. Jacob William Saville b: June 1, 1858 > > Jennings > > Co., IN d: Dec. 18, 1927 Newport, Jackson Co., AR md: (1) Annie > > Beardsley (2) > > Rosetta? > > > > 7. Flora Mae Saville b: Jan. 11, 1887 > > Portia, > > Lawrence Co., AR d: June 30, 1970 Newport, Jackson Co., AR md: > > Arthur Samuel > > Cathey > > > > 8. Myrtle Marie Cathey b: Feb. 5, > > 1920 > > Newport, Jackson Co., AR d: Feb. 9, 1995 Jonesboro, Craighead Co., > > AR md: > > Scott Kendall Turner (my grandparents) > > > > Queet > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >

Thanks very much Delores! That helps tremendously! Queet

Thanks for looking

Forgot the same book has 1782 & 1784 Hampshire census. No listing for your surname there.

Early Records Hampshire Co, VA - Now West Va- by Clara McC. Sage and Laura S. Jones p 132 Savelle, John 9-8-1817; pr. 9-16-1817. W. Susannah. To Isaac Kuykendall all after wife dies. Exec. Isaac Kuykendall. Sec. James Dailey. Wit. John R. White, John Inskeep, Thompson McDonald. Saville, Joseph 2-28-1826; pr. 9-17-1827. W. Lydia. 4 ch:, 1 Oliver - land; 2 Martha, 3- Elizabeth 4- Nancy Poland. exec. son Oliver. sec. Michael Putze Wit. David Shaffer, William Torrence, John Patterson. Saville, Oliver - 6-28-1855; pr. 11-26-1855 ; W. not named. 11 ch; 1 Joseph, 2 Abraham, 3 Isaaac, 4 Jacob, 5 Peter, 7 George, 7 Phillip (yes there are 2 #7's) 8 John, 9 Oliver, 10 Catherine, 11 Mary . Exec. sons Phillip and John. Sec Thomas Wells, George W. Gore, John G. Pultz (sp var}. Wit Aaron Malick, Jacob Pultz. page 103 Marriage Bonds Saville, Abraham to Eliza Haines, La. David Haines bd. 6-9-1827 Hope this helps. Delores

My uncle was Savyl Brown. His grandfather,who lived exactly here 27 m east of Cincinnati,was Savil Justice. His grandfather lived across the Delaware River from s Philadelphia at Woodbury,NJ was SEVIL WILSON I'm told ,but can't prove,his grandfather was N IRISH Quaker, SEVIL WILLSON,on Fenwick's 1675 ship to Salem,NJ. With Bill Pyle's data should be mentioned that there were SEVILLE, S E of Chester Co,Pa in Salem Co,NJ . Pitts Grove Presbyterian,Salem Co,NJ expelled Hampshire's Henry Van Meter,in the early 1740's,and took him back when he returned to NJ. It's congregation,in sw NJ, like the Minisink -Wallpack area of very nw NJ, was settled by Kingston-Esopus NY Dutch-French like s Moorefield WV On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:42:13 EST Shanghai31@aol.com writes: > Bill, > > I am interested in ALL Saville's. I am not directing myself to just > my > lines. I would like to obtain any and all information and any and > all > connections there are. We are related somehow. LOL > > My line is: > > William Savell b: Abt. 1662 England md: Jane Pamplyn July 27, 1689 > in > Knapwell, Cambridge Co., England. > > 1. Joseph Savell b: May 12, 1686 Essex, England > > 2. Samuel Saville b: May 1, 1715 Essex, England d: Abt. > 1790 Chester > Co., PA md: Ann Booth > > 3. Joseph Saville b: 1745 Chester Co., PA d: Feb. 28, > 1827 > Hampshire Co., VA md: Martha Farra > > 4. Oliver B. Saville b: Oct. 1775 Berkeley Co., VA > d: Oct. > 19, 1855 Hampshire Co., VA md: Mary Shanholtzer > > 5. Zachary Uriah Saville b: 1811 Hampshire Co., > VA d: > Jennings Co., IN md: Catherine Shanholtzer > > 6. Jacob William Saville b: June 1, 1858 > Jennings > Co., IN d: Dec. 18, 1927 Newport, Jackson Co., AR md: (1) Annie > Beardsley (2) > Rosetta? > > 7. Flora Mae Saville b: Jan. 11, 1887 > Portia, > Lawrence Co., AR d: June 30, 1970 Newport, Jackson Co., AR md: > Arthur Samuel > Cathey > > 8. Myrtle Marie Cathey b: Feb. 5, > 1920 > Newport, Jackson Co., AR d: Feb. 9, 1995 Jonesboro, Craighead Co., > AR md: > Scott Kendall Turner (my grandparents) > > Queet > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Thanks Bill, I hope I can still get the book. I downloaded your file and am going to take a look in a little bit. I will let you know if I find a connection to all of them. I am sure I will. Queet

According to the Shanholtzer History and Allied Families by Dr. Wilmer Kerns Mary Shanholtzer, daughter or Peter Shanholtzer, Sr. was born 1782 and died about 1854. Married Oliver saville,son of Joseph and Lydia (Pultz) Saville. Most Savilles in Hampshire Co. descend from them. Peter's father was John Schoenholtzer, II, born March 11, 1748 in Chester County, PA, and died Jan 22, 1824in Vincent Township, Chester Co. A farmer, member of German Reformed Church. Served inRevolutionary War as a soldier in Capt. Barber's Company of Second Battalion of Chester Co. Militia. He did not apply for a pension. He marred Christina, maiden name unknown. The Shanholtzer History has some good material on your ancestors and is well written. Bill Pyles, Titusville, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: <Shanghai31@aol.com> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] SAVILLE, SAVILL, SAVELL > Martha, > > Thanks so much! Which SAVILLEs are you connected to? My Hampshire Co. > Savilles are: > > Zachary Uriah Saville b: 1811 Slanesville, Hampshire Co., VA d: Unknown > Queensville, Jennings Co., IN md: Catherine Shanholtzer > > Zachary's parents were: Oliver B. Saville b: Oct. 1775 Berkeley Co., VA d: > Oct. 19, 1855 Slanesville, Hampshire Co., VA md: Mary Shanholtzer > > I have much more on these lines above and below if you would like to know > more. I am interested in where you are connected as well. > > Queet Jaco > >

Yes, Hampshire Co. was in Virginia, as was all of West Virginia until 1862/1863? The Civil War and all..... Gary Radcliffe

You will find the Hampshire Co. censuses and/or indexes from I believe 1810 up to 1870 (images for 1860 and 1870) at the Mineral Co. Rootsweb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvminera/mineral.htm Mineral Co. was formed from Hampshire Co., and that page has a couple of dynamite coordinators! You will find a lot of useful info on both Hampshire and Mineral Counties there. You might also like to post some specific names and dates--I have some Hampshire Co. Saville connections myself, through my Fouty forebears. Martha Grenzeback graymatters@ibm.net At 11:13 AM 09-03-2000 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 03/09/2000 10:04:12 AM Central Standard Time, >Shanghai31@aol.com writes: > >> If I want to find census >> information on those dates - do I need to look at VA or WV? >> >VA as West Virginia did not come about until the Civil War 1863 I believe was >the year. Look is VA what you will find is tax list for the census records. >The first federal census was taken in 1790. Have you looked at the Hampshire >Co., WVA page? I think some of these list are posted there. Good luck on >your search. >Ann >

Hermon, Thanks for the information. Are you stating that your lines names began with the Saville variations and it was not their last name? If so, explain to me the connection. This is a new area to me - I realize that overseas they did thier naming differently than we did. Queet

Bill, Any idea where I can purchase a copy of that book? The Shanholtzers are my line. Queet

Bill, I am interested in ALL Saville's. I am not directing myself to just my lines. I would like to obtain any and all information and any and all connections there are. We are related somehow. LOL My line is: William Savell b: Abt. 1662 England md: Jane Pamplyn July 27, 1689 in Knapwell, Cambridge Co., England. 1. Joseph Savell b: May 12, 1686 Essex, England 2. Samuel Saville b: May 1, 1715 Essex, England d: Abt. 1790 Chester Co., PA md: Ann Booth 3. Joseph Saville b: 1745 Chester Co., PA d: Feb. 28, 1827 Hampshire Co., VA md: Martha Farra 4. Oliver B. Saville b: Oct. 1775 Berkeley Co., VA d: Oct. 19, 1855 Hampshire Co., VA md: Mary Shanholtzer 5. Zachary Uriah Saville b: 1811 Hampshire Co., VA d: Jennings Co., IN md: Catherine Shanholtzer 6. Jacob William Saville b: June 1, 1858 Jennings Co., IN d: Dec. 18, 1927 Newport, Jackson Co., AR md: (1) Annie Beardsley (2) Rosetta? 7. Flora Mae Saville b: Jan. 11, 1887 Portia, Lawrence Co., AR d: June 30, 1970 Newport, Jackson Co., AR md: Arthur Samuel Cathey 8. Myrtle Marie Cathey b: Feb. 5, 1920 Newport, Jackson Co., AR d: Feb. 9, 1995 Jonesboro, Craighead Co., AR md: Scott Kendall Turner (my grandparents) Queet

Martha, Thanks so much! Which SAVILLEs are you connected to? My Hampshire Co. Savilles are: Zachary Uriah Saville b: 1811 Slanesville, Hampshire Co., VA d: Unknown Queensville, Jennings Co., IN md: Catherine Shanholtzer Zachary's parents were: Oliver B. Saville b: Oct. 1775 Berkeley Co., VA d: Oct. 19, 1855 Slanesville, Hampshire Co., VA md: Mary Shanholtzer I have much more on these lines above and below if you would like to know more. I am interested in where you are connected as well. Queet Jaco

Thanks Ann - I am looking at WV now and have found some information there on the Hampshire Co., VA. Queet

In a message dated 03/09/2000 10:04:12 AM Central Standard Time, Shanghai31@aol.com writes: > If I want to find census > information on those dates - do I need to look at VA or WV? > VA as West Virginia did not come about until the Civil War 1863 I believe was the year. Look is VA what you will find is tax list for the census records. The first federal census was taken in 1790. Have you looked at the Hampshire Co., WVA page? I think some of these list are posted there. Good luck on your search. Ann

Thanks Ann - my next question would be - I have my family showing up in Hampshire Co., VA around the 1700 - early 1800's. If I want to find census information on those dates - do I need to look at VA or WV? Queet

In a message dated 03/09/2000 9:54:33 AM Central Standard Time, Shanghai31@aol.com writes: > was Hampshire > Co., in VA at one time? > Yes. Ann