Many of us have thought for years that Hanging Rock was just off Route 28 between Romney and Springfield. However the Official Map of Hampshire County published by the West Virginia State Road Commission shows Hanging Rock is on Route 50, on top of North Mountain near the intersection of Route 11, about half way between Augusta and Capon Bridge. I know this was a surprise to Lonnie Watro, my brother-in-law and myself. Bill Pyles, Titusville, FL

Hello, Saw the HIGH discussion and knew the name sounded familiar. Been searching & found the information in my files of Steinbeck/ Clarke/Capitos who lived in the Hampshire/ Hardy Co area of VA(W) in 1800s. From Emmert Bittinger's book Allegheny Passage pg 243 there is listed a family of HIGHS... The reason I was so interested is one was named Frederick Steinbeck High SR. Since Frederick Steinbeck is my ggg grandfather who died in 1823 in Romney, VA(W) and my brick wall!!! this name jumped out. Frederick Steinbeck High Sr a second son of John and Elizabeth Haymaker HIgh was born Jan 19, 1761 in Germany and died Jan 18, 1844. He was m. to Christina Kail of Cacapon River Ave. She b Nov 6, 1770 and d May 29, 1854. 8 ch named & spouses There is more.. also other given names: Hiram, John and Mary Smith High. Henry U. High (3rd son of John and Elizabeth) b. Germany and d Jan 24, 1834. Married Susannah Myers (Moyers) b 1780 d 1843. George High (1798-1872) m Lydia Arnold. HIram High 1807-1895 m. 1827 Susan Ingman (Iman, Eyman) Do any of these names help? There is more but I don't have the book here...but could look next time I'm at library. Am still curious why the Frederick STeinbeck name is connected to the High family... Shirley

Thanks for your clues on "High Knob", Bill. This is a real "fishin" expedition, and I appreciate all the help that I can get. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pyles" <bpyles@goldcrest.com> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] High Knob > There is no official place called High Knob in West Virginia, according to > the official State Road County maps. This is published by the State Road > Commission in Charleston. There may be 3 or 4 maps per county. If you are > doing much genealogy in WV, you should order them for the counties you are > working in. They are large, but I have them blinded. I use them several > times in a 24 hour period many days. > > Bill Pyles, Titusville, FL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: john kleinke <kleinke@thesurf.com> > To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] High Knob > > > > Got to thinking about your question and came up with this idea. There were > > several families named High in Hamp. Co. and checking the Gazetteer of > > Virginia I find Knob listed 3 times , a right hand branch to Paint Creek,a > > branch of Kanawha River in Fayette Co., a right hand fork on Clear Creek > > in Wyoming Co., and a left hand branch of Middle Wheeling Creek in Ohio > > Co... The reason I thought of this is because I found a Purgat Run in an > > area shere my ancesters lived.. > > Diane Kleinke - Purgett > > > > phil cartmille wrote: > > > > > I am trying to find a place in VA (WV) called High Knob. I think this > > > ancestor was from Hamphire Co, but I cannot find High Knob anywhere. > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > > Thanks, > > > Phil Cartmille > > > pcartmille@ohiohills.com > > > > >

There is no official place called High Knob in West Virginia, according to the official State Road County maps. This is published by the State Road Commission in Charleston. There may be 3 or 4 maps per county. If you are doing much genealogy in WV, you should order them for the counties you are working in. They are large, but I have them blinded. I use them several times in a 24 hour period many days. Bill Pyles, Titusville, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: john kleinke <kleinke@thesurf.com> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] High Knob > Got to thinking about your question and came up with this idea. There were > several families named High in Hamp. Co. and checking the Gazetteer of > Virginia I find Knob listed 3 times , a right hand branch to Paint Creek,a > branch of Kanawha River in Fayette Co., a right hand fork on Clear Creek > in Wyoming Co., and a left hand branch of Middle Wheeling Creek in Ohio > Co... The reason I thought of this is because I found a Purgat Run in an > area shere my ancesters lived.. > Diane Kleinke - Purgett > > phil cartmille wrote: > > > I am trying to find a place in VA (WV) called High Knob. I think this > > ancestor was from Hamphire Co, but I cannot find High Knob anywhere. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > > Phil Cartmille > > pcartmille@ohiohills.com > >

Hi Mike, Thanks for the input. I am lost on this. I will check out your description and I really appreciate your clues. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veerle Foreman" <vforeman@shentel.net> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] High Knob > I think, but I am not sure, that I heard my grandparents and aunts and uncles > talk about a High Knob in Hardy County near their home at Whiteoak Flats or > Flats. This is located about 4 miles from the Hampshire/Hardy line on Route > 28. It is also about 7 miles from Purgitsville which is in Hampshire County. > Thre were families in the area with surname HIGH also. > > Mike Foreman > > john kleinke wrote: > > > Got to thinking about your question and came up with this idea. There were > > several families named High in Hamp. Co. and checking the Gazetteer of > > Virginia I find Knob listed 3 times , a right hand branch to Paint Creek,a > > branch of Kanawha River in Fayette Co., a right hand fork on Clear Creek > > in Wyoming Co., and a left hand branch of Middle Wheeling Creek in Ohio > > Co... The reason I thought of this is because I found a Purgat Run in an > > area shere my ancesters lived.. > > Diane Kleinke - Purgett > > > > phil cartmille wrote: > > > > > I am trying to find a place in VA (WV) called High Knob. I think this > > > ancestor was from Hamphire Co, but I cannot find High Knob anywhere. > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > > Thanks, > > > Phil Cartmille > > > pcartmille@ohiohills.com >

I think, but I am not sure, that I heard my grandparents and aunts and uncles talk about a High Knob in Hardy County near their home at Whiteoak Flats or Flats. This is located about 4 miles from the Hampshire/Hardy line on Route 28. It is also about 7 miles from Purgitsville which is in Hampshire County. Thre were families in the area with surname HIGH also. Mike Foreman john kleinke wrote: > Got to thinking about your question and came up with this idea. There were > several families named High in Hamp. Co. and checking the Gazetteer of > Virginia I find Knob listed 3 times , a right hand branch to Paint Creek,a > branch of Kanawha River in Fayette Co., a right hand fork on Clear Creek > in Wyoming Co., and a left hand branch of Middle Wheeling Creek in Ohio > Co... The reason I thought of this is because I found a Purgat Run in an > area shere my ancesters lived.. > Diane Kleinke - Purgett > > phil cartmille wrote: > > > I am trying to find a place in VA (WV) called High Knob. I think this > > ancestor was from Hamphire Co, but I cannot find High Knob anywhere. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > > Phil Cartmille > > pcartmille@ohiohills.com

Diane, I appreciate your response. This has been a mystery to me, and I hoped that there might be folks on the list that might give me a clue. I will pursue this. Thank you so much. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "john kleinke" <kleinke@thesurf.com> To: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] High Knob > Got to thinking about your question and came up with this idea. There were > several families named High in Hamp. Co. and checking the Gazetteer of > Virginia I find Knob listed 3 times , a right hand branch to Paint Creek,a > branch of Kanawha River in Fayette Co., a right hand fork on Clear Creek > in Wyoming Co., and a left hand branch of Middle Wheeling Creek in Ohio > Co... The reason I thought of this is because I found a Purgat Run in an > area shere my ancesters lived.. > Diane Kleinke - Purgett > > phil cartmille wrote: > > > I am trying to find a place in VA (WV) called High Knob. I think this > > ancestor was from Hamphire Co, but I cannot find High Knob anywhere. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > > Phil Cartmille > > pcartmille@ohiohills.com >

Got to thinking about your question and came up with this idea. There were several families named High in Hamp. Co. and checking the Gazetteer of Virginia I find Knob listed 3 times , a right hand branch to Paint Creek,a branch of Kanawha River in Fayette Co., a right hand fork on Clear Creek in Wyoming Co., and a left hand branch of Middle Wheeling Creek in Ohio Co... The reason I thought of this is because I found a Purgat Run in an area shere my ancesters lived.. Diane Kleinke - Purgett phil cartmille wrote: > I am trying to find a place in VA (WV) called High Knob. I think this > ancestor was from Hamphire Co, but I cannot find High Knob anywhere. > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > Thanks, > Phil Cartmille > pcartmille@ohiohills.com

Posted on: Hampshire County, WV Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/WV/Hampshire?read=1168 Surname: FOREMAN, FORMAN, FRYE ------------------------- Seeking information about Foreman Fort, Foreman Cemetery, Foreman as Postmaster Hampshire Co 1700's. Thanks. Mickey

I am researching the Waggoner/Wagoner family but I do not have a Henry that married a Nancy Kaylor. I am back to John Michael Waggoner b. abt 1752 but there are several "puzzles" yet to solve. Sharon Malone Knotts sk275@hereintown.net

Hi, I'm writing in reference to the Hampshire County Records. In the recent response I received from Dr. Armstrong, he stated: "development takes time and and persistence to resolve. I hope everything works out to enable us to transport the records to Charleston, i.e. the county commission approves, and that we can get these records filmed to insure preservation and increased accessibility." I'm suggesting a letter writing campaign to Dr. Armstrong and the County Commission urging them to support the microfilming of these records and to see that after this is done, the records are stored correctly so they will be here for our descendents to see. Dr. Armstrong has been a godsend in regards to these records, and I appreciate all the time he has spent on this project. I strongly feel if it weren't for his interest and involvement none of this would be happening. I feel he deserves our appreciation and support. I called the Hampshire County Courthouse today, and was told the County Commission meets on the 23rd. Perhaps letters to them urging them in the direction of microfilming these records would have an impact on their decision. I'd like to show these people that there are MANY amateur and professional genealogists out here, and we are interested in the availability of these records and the correct storage of them. I believe there is power in numbers, and we should show them just how many of us are interested. Some recent responses to the Mineral and Hampshire County lists follows: "It appears if the commissioners refuses to allow Charleston to have the records, then nothing will get filmed" "Please urge the Commission not to insist for a return of the records once filming is done IF they are planning on returning them to the basement without making the basement vault a temperature controlled archive room. Storage of paper in a basement that is not designed for such storage will only guarantee their destruction, even though placed in acid-free envelopes." "I agree. I have mentioned before that Mineral County has been doing the same with some of there record putting them on CD.Jack Sanders got the County to buy the machine. Why can't Hampshire just go there and see if they can use there machine then send the old Documents to the archives for safe keeping." "I would like to make a suggestion about the storage of the old records. The West Virginia Collection at West Virginia University has a climate controlled area for old records. " The addresses are: Dr. Frederick H. Armstrong Director, Archives and History WV Division of Culture and History The Cultural Center 1900 Kanawha Boulevard, East Charleston, WV 25305-0300 Hampshire County Commission Hampshire County Courthouse Romney WV 26757 I welcome any suggestions as to what to include in my letter. Thanks, Patti PS If anyone did not read the Hampshire Review Article or Dr. Armstrong's response, let me know and I will send it to you.

Any WAGONER/WAGNER researchers out there? I'm interested in two particular individuals... and their families. First, I have a Henry Curtis WAGONER that married Nancy E. KAYLOR in Hampshire Co, WV in 1901. Henry was born about 1867 (possibly in Mineral Co) and Nancy was born in 5/1867 in Hampshire Co. Next, I have John W. KAYLOR that married Zella A. WAGNER in Allegany Co, MD in 1891. John was born in 1863 (probably in Hampshire Co) and Zella was born about 1870 (not sure where). Nancy E. KAYLOR and John W. KAYLOR were brother and sister... children of Adam J. KAYLOR and Elizabeth A. HENDERSON. I'd like to know if they married siblings. I tend to believe that they did. I have another possible WAGNER/WAGONER connection, but I'd like to see if get any bites on this one first. If any other listers are out there are "listening"... with sources and copious amounts of free time on their hands... I'd appreciate any lookups on these WAGNER/WAGONER individuals. I've already checked out the WONDERFUL Mineral County pages... to no avail. Thanks, Mark Holt.

Hi, I, too, am having trouble with the Davis family. I have a Mary Davis b. 13-Jul-1775 whose father is said to be Samuel Von Davis. The dates are right for this to be one of your Samuel Davis's? Have no dates on Samuel or who he married, just his daughter's marriage to George Jefferson Chamblin saying that the father was Samuel. Why the two different spellings, I don't know. Let me know if these are all related. Thanks Linda --- John Davis <jdavis@easween.com> wrote: > Posted on: Hampshire County, WV Query Forum > Board URL: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/WV/Hampshire?read=1160 > > Surname: Davis > ------------------------- > > Well after two years of searching I have finally > established that my 2nd > great grandfather Stephen Davis was born in Romney > Township, Hampshire > County between 1800 and 1808. He is present on the > 1830 census along with > his Brother�s Humphery Davis (B. Abt.1789) and > Samuel Davis (B. Abt. 1802). > There are several other Davis families on this > census. Most noteworthy > are 2 revolutionary war veterans named Spencer Davis > (b. Abt 1760) and > Samuel B. Davis (b. Abt. 1756). Based on the common > usage of the first > names Spencer and Samuel in succeeding generations. > It seems probable that > one or both of these individuals is my ancestor. > Possibly my 3rd or 4th > Great Grandfather! CAN ANYONE HELP? Any information > on these Davis Families > from this time frame would be great! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Posted on: Hampshire County, WV Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/WV/Hampshire?read=1167 Surname: Hart, Louis ------------------------- John E. Hart was born in Hampshire West Virginia 12-18-1853 by John E. Hart Sr. and Marianne Louis. I have considerable information going forward for relatives of above. Please contact me with yours.

I am trying to find a place in VA (WV) called High Knob. I think this ancestor was from Hamphire Co, but I cannot find High Knob anywhere. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Phil Cartmille pcartmille@ohiohills.com

FYI This was on the Hampshire List. >Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:08:01 -0800 (PST) >Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:08:15 -0800 >From: "Wilmer L. Kerns" <wlkerns@intr.net> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-DIAL (Win98; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >Old-To: WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Lists of First Settlers >To: WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1421 >X-Loop: WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: WVHAMPSH-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Here is a link that contains lists of early settlers in Old Frederick >County (which >included Hampshire County). It is rare, but not complete. There is also an >article on >the early tax records of Hampshire County for those who aren't familiar >with that >database. Due to other priorities, I am not seeking e-mail queries by >furnishing this >link. > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafreder/fredbook.htm#The Frederick County Fee > >Wilmer L. Kerns > > :) Patti McDonald Burlington WV mcd@access.mountain.net Co-Coordinator Mineral County USGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvminera/mineral.htm Subscribe to Mineral County Mailing List WVMINERA-L-request@rootsweb.com Surnames I am researching: HARTMAN, WOLFE, MILLER, FLEEK, WHITEMAN, PUFFENBARGER, FITZPATRICK, COOKUS, CORBUS, DYE, WALSH

Hi, I sent the article that was in the Hamsphire Review regarding the Hampshire Basement records to Dr. Armstrong, asking if the content was accurated. This is his reply. Patti >From: "Fredrick Armstrong" > >Ms. McDonald: > I have been out at a meeting with other state archivist concerning >national records issues and so busy upon my return yesterday that I was >unable to confirm your message. While I have given the article only a >cursory read, it is true as to the general intent. The filming of these >records, once arranged and indexed has been our goal since the issue >appeared on my screen last year. But everything except accidents and crisis >development takes time and and persistence to resolve. I hope everything >works out to enable us to transport the records to Charleston, i.e. the >county commission approves, and that we can get these records filmed to >insure preservation and increased accessibility. Again, this will involves >some time and therefore some patience with the process. But, I will remain >persistent and positive as to the success of the project. And, when >completed, we can do another announcement so that all interested will be >able to gain access and discover what they hoped would be in these records >or be disappointed that it is not. But, that is the both the challenge and >fun of our work. >Best regards, >Fredrick H. Armstrong >-----Original Message----- >

Hendcoa@aol.com has Hendricks,Cartlidge,sp? Pusey,Worley. I have many SWEDE's .STILLE,Mansson,Steelman,Toy Lock,Fish,Justice, .I've long had Dr Peter S Craig's '1693 Census' and his Yocums,and his Nils Larsson Vriend,and his Moses Justice of Schuler Co,IL. Hendcoa@aol.com and I have long studied the Indian traders from Point of Rocks,up the Potomac,inbcluding the cross-roads [creeks, ] caused by the Shenandoah and Antitiam. We also study that part of the Potomac drains that fell in,and north of the disputed Pa-Md line. Capt John Hance Steelman avoided a payment for a Pa lisence to trade up the Susquhanna,by living just south of the line. When he moved west,he again settled on the disputed line, and Friend's Gap is-was just west of him. New trader to me is Abraham Pennington[Cecil to east of Winchester. Trader Richard Pearis lived just west of Winchester,Va. Michel is new to me. Let's see if you've heard of the Polish indian trader,Antoni Sodowski? Lived amid the Swedes at St Gabrial's,Douglassville,Berks. His son,Andrew,and grandsons,on the S Branch,and on Paterson's Creek, and west of Harrisionburg,Va. Sandusky,Ohio namsake from pre-1750. On Tue, 2 May 2000 08:52:06 -0500 cdiller@juno.com writes: > Let's chat! I'm trying to document the ones who were > on the upper Potomac, beyond Harper's Ferry, and > who traded there before settlers started flooding in. > I'm doing this largely for background on my own > ancestors, but also because it's a fascinating subject. > Things have been written about Pa. traders, about > the Cartledge brothers commiting murder, and > about that rascal Cresap... but what about all the > others who quietly worked for years, keeping the > peace, paving the way for those who followed? > > Franz Louis MICHEL and Israel FRIEND are my > ancestors, and several of the other traders were > FRIEND kinfolks. The family had been trading with/ > associating with natives for a long time. > Have a look at an outline I've put together: > > Nils Larsson Friend (1630-1686), immigrant, father of: > dau. Brigitta (1657-1720+) marr 1678, John Cox (Cocks) (1656-1713) > s/o > Peter > son Andrew (1659-1748) marr 1689, Miss Rambo > (d/o Peter Rambo Sr. 1612-1698) > marr 1694, Miss Helm, d/o Israel Helm > dau. Catherine (1661-1721) marr 1681, Olof Dalbo (1660-1712); > Dalbo sons died of smallpox 1721 in N.J. > son John (1666-1737), marr 1696, Anna Coleman > d/o Henry Coleman (d. 1696) > dau. Sarah (1672-1742), marr 1697, Amos Nichols (d. 1725) > > NOTES: > > 1668, June 5, Pa., Peter Rambo, Magistrate, advises prohibition > against selling liquor to Indians. > (Pa. Archives, 2nd Series, Vol. 7, pages 723-724.) > > 1668, June 25, New Jersey, license granted to Cornelius Larssen > Vrende > (Friend), > Olle Rawson, and Olle Jonsson, to buy West Jersey Lands from > Indians. > (N.J. Arch. 21: 3) > (Rawson was a cousin through the Rambo family.) > > 1669, Aug. 2, Pa., Henry Coleman "one of ye Finns and an Inhabitant > at > Delaware, hath left his habitation…being well-versed in ye > Indian > language…apprehend him…" (suspected as part of an > insurrection) > (Pa. Archives, 2nd Series, Vol. 7, pages 723-724.) > > 1670, Oct. 5, Pa., re: fort on Delaware River: > Israel Helm, Peter "PRB" Rambo, Peter "R" Kock. > (Pa. Archives, 2nd Series, Vol. 7, pages 732-733.) > > 1673, Pa. Magistrates opposed to war with Indians: > Peter "X" Rambo, Peter "R" Cock. > (Pa. Archives, 2nd Series, Vol. 7, page 756.) > > "Indian Blood" (1967) by Evelyn G. Olson, page 9, > in 1674 Henry Coleman was part of a rebellion against > the English, and hid out with the Indians for several years. > (Coleman's wife is "said" to have been an Indian called "Bright > Lightning".) > > 1675, May 13, Newcastle, meeting between Gov. Andros & Indians; > present Israel Helme (interpreter), Peter Rambo, Lanse Cock, > > Peter Cock; agreement of friendship. > Rambo referred to as an "old acquaintance" of chiefs. > (Rambo, pg. 14-15.) > > 1683, July 14, deed to William Penn, from Indians… > witness, Peter "X" Rambo. > ("Pennsylvania Archives", 1st Series, 1: 66.) > > 1683, Nov., Md., Jacob Young banished to Holland or Europe; > his bond by James Philips, Baltimore Co., & John Cox, Cecil > Co. > (Arch. Md., Vol. 7, pages 507, 591, 596.) > > 1687, Dec., Chester Co. Court, indictment against "Annie, Neales' > widow", > for keeping and harboring dogs that worries and kills her > neighbors hogs, and for detaining an Indian boy named > Chato who also worries said hogs. . . > she claimed the dog belonged to her grandson Peter Cox > (Cock), > and was fined 10 sh. for the dog; > Andrew Friend gave bond of L.10 for behavior of > the Indian boy . . . (CCR 1:115.) > > 1695/6, Susquehanna River, Amos Nichols is trader with Indians. > (Hanna, Vol. 2: 337.) > > 1696, May 1, Maryland Assembly ordered Col. Casparus Augustin Herman > > of Cecil Co. to take into custody Cornelius Comegys and Amos > Nichols, > persons living upon the frontiers and driving a secret trade > with > "fforaign" Indians… his Majesty's customs are defrauded… > (In other words, they weren't paying taxes.) > (Maryland Archives, Vol. 20, page 405.) > > 1696, June 25, Maryland Assembly…letter re: traders… > "I have known Col. Herman a long time, and he that trades > for him > on Susquehanna, Amos Nichols, is better known than trusted… > (Maryland Archives, Vol. 20, page 470.) > > 1697, May, Md., reported that Amos Nichols should give out a little > before the murder Committed in Cecil Co., this following > Expression, viz, that he was afraid there would be Some > Mischief done to the Indian Traders this Sumer by the > Indians > by which Expression it is not a little Suspected that he > might have a hand in that fact. > (Arch. Md., 23: 98-99.) > > 1697, October, Md., Amos Nicholls of Cecil Co. is a very vagrant > and wandering person, a very evil doer and is guilty of a > great many > heinous and notorious crimes and Offences… to be arrested… > (Arch. Md., 23: 260-263.) > > 1697, Nov., Md., Michael Judd, age 57, Innkeeper of Baltimore Co., > appearing to say about Amos Nicholls who giving account of > one Thomas Browne and severall persons of the said County > that > have had dealings wth. the said Nicholls within this halfe > year > and concerning John Hanstillmans holding frequent > correspondence > wth. three French Indian Traders… > (Arch. Md., 23: 303-305.) > > 1698, April, Md., Major James Maxwell's Deposition about Amos > Nichols > read and Sworn to. > (Arch. Md., 23: 410-411.) > > 1699/1700, March 12, Amos Nichols of Ridley Township, Chester, Co., > Silversmith, and Andrew Nilsson Friend of New Castle Co., were > indicted by Chester Co. court for highway robbery and forgery; > dismissed 11 June 1700. (CCR 2: 50-51, 59-60. ) > > 1701, June 2, N.J., Gloucester Co., court ordered Amos Nicholson to > post > bond for good behavior, having lately come to Greenwich Twp. > (GCR 1: 239.) > > 1710, Nov. 16, James Hans Steelman (per his journal) stayed in home > of Anders Nilson (Friend), one mile from pastor Auren's > house. > (Elk River, Cecil Co., Md.) (NGSQ 71: 256. ) > > 1712, Md., Cecil Co., lawsuit re: Indian trade goods; > Andrew Friend and Charles Mounts Anderson (trader, s/o Mans > Andersson), > suit against Anne LeTort (widow of trader), executrix of > Nicholas Godin. > (Cecil Co., Md., Judgments, Book E, page 204.) > (LeTort and Godin were traders in Pa.) > > 1720, Oct. 24, Upper House of Assembly of Maryland, > "the Shaw-wan Indians have carried away three Negro slaves > belonging to > the petitioner; the Indians have been told by Andrew Neal, > and other traders that they would be given a reward for > returning the > slaves…" > (Publications of the Hall of Records Commission, Publication > #1, > Calendar of Maryland State Papers, No. 1, The Black Book, > page 27.) > (This was Chief Opessa, at "Old Town" on the upper Potomac.) > > 1721, June 13, N.J., Gloucester Co., inventory of estate of Charles > Dalbo, > personal estate totals L.122.15.3., including L.56.9. Indian > debts; > debts due from: Mountes Halton, Peter Justice, Peter Garren, > > Clement Cornett, Andrew Melican, William Peterson, Peter > Lock, > John Recom, William Cobb, Jester Lock, Erick Steelman, Peter > Cock, > Larrance Lock, Manuell Dirrickson, Erick Egelton, Elener > Friend, > Andrew and Charles (Strang?), Jacob Kuling, James Gerren, > Nicklos Justice, Larrance Peterson, Michael Hopman, Peter > Peterson, > all Gloucester and Salem Cos., > and, Amos Nicholes of Chester Co., Pa., > James Rillot (?) of Maryland; > Inv. by John Friend, Frederick Hopman, John Bond. > (NJA 23: 125.) > > 1721, June 13, N.J., Gloucester Co., inventory of Larrance Dalbo, > personal estate L.32.19, including Indian debts due by > Major Bradford on Potomack in Maryland, and Mr. Bradley of > Maryland; > Inv. by John Bond, Frederick Hopman, John Friend. > (NJA 23: 125.) > > 1725, July 25, Md., Governor Calvert commissions Israel Friend > as an Indian Trader, & ambassador to the Shawnee Indians > on the Potomac River. > (Maryland Historical Mag. 30: 132) > (Schildknecht, 1: 45.) (Archives of Maryland, Vol. 25.) > > 1725, Aug. 6, Maryland Council meeting on 5 August at Monocacy, > "Shuano Indians not meeting his Excellency there Resolved > that Israel > Friend > be sent up immediately to the said Indians with following > instructions… > to invite Indians to next meeting of the Assembly at > Annapolis > on 5 Oct. 1725…" > (Archives of Md., Vol. 25, pages 450-451.) > > 1727, Jan. 10, Md., Prince George Co., deed from Cunnawehala, > Taw-wenaw, Capt. Sivilite, Toile Hangee, Show Hays, > Callakahahatt, Kings of the Five Nations, for love, > to brother Israel Friend, land on Potomac River and > Antietam Creek, being 200 shoots of an arrow, then 100 > shoots in dimensions, up the creek… > witnesses, Humbenton Lyon, Gile Margalith; > rec. 27 Nov. 1730, by Charles Carroll, at request of George > Beall. > (P.G. Land Records, Liber Q: 169.) > (between Antietam & Conococheague Creeks, now Washington Co., Md.) > (MHM 30: 8-9) (MGSB > ("Indian Blood", page 11-12.) > (This deed also rec. Clay Co., W. Va., Book 1, page 1.) > > 1728, May 10, Pa., Perkiomen petition by "back inhabitants" of > Falkner's Swamp and New Goshapopin (for protection > against Indians), 27 signers, including: Peter Rambo, Yost > Hyt. > (The Perkiomen Region, Vol. 4, # 1, pages 1-2.) > (Peter Rambo Jr. 1653-1729.) > > 1740, deposition by John Rambo refers to elder "brother" Andrew > Friend > alias Neils, age 90 years, living on the Potowmack River > at the mouth of Conocheague Creek. > (Friend Family Assn., Vol. 1, # 3, pages 6-7.) > > Plus some other tidbits about NICHOLLS, etc. > I've identified all but one of the chiefs of the 1727 deed, > and sketched out the Shawnee of the Susquehanna and > Potomac 1690-1730's. > - - - - > In 1712 it looks like Andrew Friend (f/o Israel) was in partnership > with Anderson, and they were acting on their own, not under > some other company. I've been told that in Pa. the traders > worked for companies, but in Md. they acted independently. > > Anyhow, I've made a good beginning on what I anticipate will > be a very LARGE project. I'm paying particular attention to the > traders who had native wives, because Israel Friend's wife > was a Shawnee. I know I can never PROVE her, but I've > found a lot of info. about the tribe, and what went on in the area, > all of which dovetails with the many "legends" the family has > passed down. I have found the proof that Israel was the only > permanent white settler on the upper river before 1732. > > I guess what I'm after is actually "pre-history" because almost > all of the histories start about 1740, and make only passing > mention of anything before that, if at all. > > What is your area of interest, and how deep do you want to go? > > Corinne Hanna Diller > Houston, TX > Faith is the highest passion in a human being. > Many may not come that far, but none come further. > --Soren Kierkegaard > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! 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Hermon, I still wonder if Paris Brown living in Cincinatti reportedly and born around 1780 wasn't named for Pearis. I have still haven't found and documented him except to be mentioned a time or two with my Browns as a cousin. You wrote: >Trader Richard Pearis lived just west of Winchester,Va. Michel is new to me. Corinne and Hermon, I can't wait to read more about the traders. I'll be listening and collecting info! Laura (Cox, Brown, Friend, and many more)

Let's chat! I'm trying to document the ones who were on the upper Potomac, beyond Harper's Ferry, and who traded there before settlers started flooding in. I'm doing this largely for background on my own ancestors, but also because it's a fascinating subject. Things have been written about Pa. traders, about the Cartledge brothers commiting murder, and about that rascal Cresap... but what about all the others who quietly worked for years, keeping the peace, paving the way for those who followed? Franz Louis MICHEL and Israel FRIEND are my ancestors, and several of the other traders were FRIEND kinfolks. The family had been trading with/ associating with natives for a long time. Have a look at an outline I've put together: Nils Larsson Friend (1630-1686), immigrant, father of: dau. Brigitta (1657-1720+) marr 1678, John Cox (Cocks) (1656-1713) s/o Peter son Andrew (1659-1748) marr 1689, Miss Rambo (d/o Peter Rambo Sr. 1612-1698) marr 1694, Miss Helm, d/o Israel Helm dau. Catherine (1661-1721) marr 1681, Olof Dalbo (1660-1712); Dalbo sons died of smallpox 1721 in N.J. son John (1666-1737), marr 1696, Anna Coleman d/o Henry Coleman (d. 1696) dau. Sarah (1672-1742), marr 1697, Amos Nichols (d. 1725) NOTES: 1668, June 5, Pa., Peter Rambo, Magistrate, advises prohibition against selling liquor to Indians. (Pa. Archives, 2nd Series, Vol. 7, pages 723-724.) 1668, June 25, New Jersey, license granted to Cornelius Larssen Vrende (Friend), Olle Rawson, and Olle Jonsson, to buy West Jersey Lands from Indians. (N.J. Arch. 21: 3) (Rawson was a cousin through the Rambo family.) 1669, Aug. 2, Pa., Henry Coleman "one of ye Finns and an Inhabitant at Delaware, hath left his habitation…being well-versed in ye Indian language…apprehend him…" (suspected as part of an insurrection) (Pa. Archives, 2nd Series, Vol. 7, pages 723-724.) 1670, Oct. 5, Pa., re: fort on Delaware River: Israel Helm, Peter "PRB" Rambo, Peter "R" Kock. (Pa. Archives, 2nd Series, Vol. 7, pages 732-733.) 1673, Pa. Magistrates opposed to war with Indians: Peter "X" Rambo, Peter "R" Cock. (Pa. Archives, 2nd Series, Vol. 7, page 756.) "Indian Blood" (1967) by Evelyn G. Olson, page 9, in 1674 Henry Coleman was part of a rebellion against the English, and hid out with the Indians for several years. (Coleman's wife is "said" to have been an Indian called "Bright Lightning".) 1675, May 13, Newcastle, meeting between Gov. Andros & Indians; present Israel Helme (interpreter), Peter Rambo, Lanse Cock, Peter Cock; agreement of friendship. Rambo referred to as an "old acquaintance" of chiefs. (Rambo, pg. 14-15.) 1683, July 14, deed to William Penn, from Indians… witness, Peter "X" Rambo. ("Pennsylvania Archives", 1st Series, 1: 66.) 1683, Nov., Md., Jacob Young banished to Holland or Europe; his bond by James Philips, Baltimore Co., & John Cox, Cecil Co. (Arch. Md., Vol. 7, pages 507, 591, 596.) 1687, Dec., Chester Co. Court, indictment against "Annie, Neales' widow", for keeping and harboring dogs that worries and kills her neighbors hogs, and for detaining an Indian boy named Chato who also worries said hogs. . . she claimed the dog belonged to her grandson Peter Cox (Cock), and was fined 10 sh. for the dog; Andrew Friend gave bond of L.10 for behavior of the Indian boy . . . (CCR 1:115.) 1695/6, Susquehanna River, Amos Nichols is trader with Indians. (Hanna, Vol. 2: 337.) 1696, May 1, Maryland Assembly ordered Col. Casparus Augustin Herman of Cecil Co. to take into custody Cornelius Comegys and Amos Nichols, persons living upon the frontiers and driving a secret trade with "fforaign" Indians… his Majesty's customs are defrauded… (In other words, they weren't paying taxes.) (Maryland Archives, Vol. 20, page 405.) 1696, June 25, Maryland Assembly…letter re: traders… "I have known Col. Herman a long time, and he that trades for him on Susquehanna, Amos Nichols, is better known than trusted… (Maryland Archives, Vol. 20, page 470.) 1697, May, Md., reported that Amos Nichols should give out a little before the murder Committed in Cecil Co., this following Expression, viz, that he was afraid there would be Some Mischief done to the Indian Traders this Sumer by the Indians by which Expression it is not a little Suspected that he might have a hand in that fact. (Arch. Md., 23: 98-99.) 1697, October, Md., Amos Nicholls of Cecil Co. is a very vagrant and wandering person, a very evil doer and is guilty of a great many heinous and notorious crimes and Offences… to be arrested… (Arch. Md., 23: 260-263.) 1697, Nov., Md., Michael Judd, age 57, Innkeeper of Baltimore Co., appearing to say about Amos Nicholls who giving account of one Thomas Browne and severall persons of the said County that have had dealings wth. the said Nicholls within this halfe year and concerning John Hanstillmans holding frequent correspondence wth. three French Indian Traders… (Arch. Md., 23: 303-305.) 1698, April, Md., Major James Maxwell's Deposition about Amos Nichols read and Sworn to. (Arch. Md., 23: 410-411.) 1699/1700, March 12, Amos Nichols of Ridley Township, Chester, Co., Silversmith, and Andrew Nilsson Friend of New Castle Co., were indicted by Chester Co. court for highway robbery and forgery; dismissed 11 June 1700. (CCR 2: 50-51, 59-60. ) 1701, June 2, N.J., Gloucester Co., court ordered Amos Nicholson to post bond for good behavior, having lately come to Greenwich Twp. (GCR 1: 239.) 1710, Nov. 16, James Hans Steelman (per his journal) stayed in home of Anders Nilson (Friend), one mile from pastor Auren's house. (Elk River, Cecil Co., Md.) (NGSQ 71: 256. ) 1712, Md., Cecil Co., lawsuit re: Indian trade goods; Andrew Friend and Charles Mounts Anderson (trader, s/o Mans Andersson), suit against Anne LeTort (widow of trader), executrix of Nicholas Godin. (Cecil Co., Md., Judgments, Book E, page 204.) (LeTort and Godin were traders in Pa.) 1720, Oct. 24, Upper House of Assembly of Maryland, "the Shaw-wan Indians have carried away three Negro slaves belonging to the petitioner; the Indians have been told by Andrew Neal, and other traders that they would be given a reward for returning the slaves…" (Publications of the Hall of Records Commission, Publication #1, Calendar of Maryland State Papers, No. 1, The Black Book, page 27.) (This was Chief Opessa, at "Old Town" on the upper Potomac.) 1721, June 13, N.J., Gloucester Co., inventory of estate of Charles Dalbo, personal estate totals L.122.15.3., including L.56.9. Indian debts; debts due from: Mountes Halton, Peter Justice, Peter Garren, Clement Cornett, Andrew Melican, William Peterson, Peter Lock, John Recom, William Cobb, Jester Lock, Erick Steelman, Peter Cock, Larrance Lock, Manuell Dirrickson, Erick Egelton, Elener Friend, Andrew and Charles (Strang?), Jacob Kuling, James Gerren, Nicklos Justice, Larrance Peterson, Michael Hopman, Peter Peterson, all Gloucester and Salem Cos., and, Amos Nicholes of Chester Co., Pa., James Rillot (?) of Maryland; Inv. by John Friend, Frederick Hopman, John Bond. (NJA 23: 125.) 1721, June 13, N.J., Gloucester Co., inventory of Larrance Dalbo, personal estate L.32.19, including Indian debts due by Major Bradford on Potomack in Maryland, and Mr. Bradley of Maryland; Inv. by John Bond, Frederick Hopman, John Friend. (NJA 23: 125.) 1725, July 25, Md., Governor Calvert commissions Israel Friend as an Indian Trader, & ambassador to the Shawnee Indians on the Potomac River. (Maryland Historical Mag. 30: 132) (Schildknecht, 1: 45.) (Archives of Maryland, Vol. 25.) 1725, Aug. 6, Maryland Council meeting on 5 August at Monocacy, "Shuano Indians not meeting his Excellency there Resolved that Israel Friend be sent up immediately to the said Indians with following instructions… to invite Indians to next meeting of the Assembly at Annapolis on 5 Oct. 1725…" (Archives of Md., Vol. 25, pages 450-451.) 1727, Jan. 10, Md., Prince George Co., deed from Cunnawehala, Taw-wenaw, Capt. Sivilite, Toile Hangee, Show Hays, Callakahahatt, Kings of the Five Nations, for love, to brother Israel Friend, land on Potomac River and Antietam Creek, being 200 shoots of an arrow, then 100 shoots in dimensions, up the creek… witnesses, Humbenton Lyon, Gile Margalith; rec. 27 Nov. 1730, by Charles Carroll, at request of George Beall. (P.G. Land Records, Liber Q: 169.) (between Antietam & Conococheague Creeks, now Washington Co., Md.) (MHM 30: 8-9) (MGSB ("Indian Blood", page 11-12.) (This deed also rec. Clay Co., W. Va., Book 1, page 1.) 1728, May 10, Pa., Perkiomen petition by "back inhabitants" of Falkner's Swamp and New Goshapopin (for protection against Indians), 27 signers, including: Peter Rambo, Yost Hyt. (The Perkiomen Region, Vol. 4, # 1, pages 1-2.) (Peter Rambo Jr. 1653-1729.) 1740, deposition by John Rambo refers to elder "brother" Andrew Friend alias Neils, age 90 years, living on the Potowmack River at the mouth of Conocheague Creek. (Friend Family Assn., Vol. 1, # 3, pages 6-7.) Plus some other tidbits about NICHOLLS, etc. I've identified all but one of the chiefs of the 1727 deed, and sketched out the Shawnee of the Susquehanna and Potomac 1690-1730's. - - - - In 1712 it looks like Andrew Friend (f/o Israel) was in partnership with Anderson, and they were acting on their own, not under some other company. I've been told that in Pa. the traders worked for companies, but in Md. they acted independently. Anyhow, I've made a good beginning on what I anticipate will be a very LARGE project. I'm paying particular attention to the traders who had native wives, because Israel Friend's wife was a Shawnee. I know I can never PROVE her, but I've found a lot of info. about the tribe, and what went on in the area, all of which dovetails with the many "legends" the family has passed down. I have found the proof that Israel was the only permanent white settler on the upper river before 1732. I guess what I'm after is actually "pre-history" because almost all of the histories start about 1740, and make only passing mention of anything before that, if at all. What is your area of interest, and how deep do you want to go? Corinne Hanna Diller Houston, TX Faith is the highest passion in a human being. Many may not come that far, but none come further. --Soren Kierkegaard ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.