This one also. Let's get back to what we are supposed to do on this list. Look for info and help each other. ----- Original Message ----- From: "roland elliott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > The truth is hard to take for the simple minded.The facts are there. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Lamdin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 15:57 > Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > Go pound sand ! > > -----Original Message----- > > From: roland elliott <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:24 AM > > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > > > >Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told you some > > time > > >ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their religion > > you > > >will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether the > > >ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't get enough in > > >their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. > > >damniant quod non intelligentsia > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________

I don't know about you but it appears this Brad person should be removed from the list. We are here to do research not flame others. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Lamdin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > Go pound sand ! > -----Original Message----- > From: roland elliott <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:24 AM > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > >Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told you some > time > >ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their religion > you > >will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether the > >ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't get enough in > >their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. > >damniant quod non intelligentsia > > > > ______________________________

Where's the list manager? We don't need this fanatic... ----- Original Message ----- From: "roland elliott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > The truth is hard to take for the simple minded.The facts are there. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Lamdin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 15:57 > Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > Go pound sand ! > > -----Original Message----- > > From: roland elliott <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:24 AM > > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > > > >Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told you some > > time > > >ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their religion > > you > > >will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether the > > >ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't get enough in > > >their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. > > >damniant quod non intelligentsia > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hear, Hear! I second everything Brian said. Genie (an unreformed Unitarian) Brian D Core wrote:I don't think that it's accurate or fair to call LDS members cultists. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs

I don't think that it's accurate or fair to call LDS members cultists. Religious intolerance is a certain sign of ignorance. Since this is a genealogy list, not a spiritual list, it wouldn't be appropriate to compare the "correctness" of the various religions. As genealogists, what should we know about the LDS Church? The LDS Church sponsors a web site, familysearch.org. Most of the information in their IGI files is undocumented, and can not be relied on. That doesn't make it ALL inaccurate, but any information from the IGI should be documented before it is used. There are many, many mistakes. The web site also has a catalog for their Family History Library, which is the largest genealogy in the world, by far. The books do not circulate, and must be viewed at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. Many millions of people have made the journey to Salt Lake to visit the library, and most probably found it to be a clean, friendly town. There are comfortable and affordable accommodations near Temple Square. The Temple in Salt Lake is a beautiful building, and the landscape alone would make the trip worthwhile. The library handles an incredible number of patrons, who typically line up at the door an hour before it opens. Inside, you will find hundreds of thousands of books about history and genealogy. If that's not enough, there are about three million rolls of microfilm of state, local, and national records, military records, local histories, family Bibles, church records from nearly every country, and genealogical books of every description. If you are overwhelmed by the volume of the material, there are dozens of volunteers to help you. Your entrance to the library costs you nothing. Pay for your copies and don't steal anything, and you're square with the LDS Church. Most people are probably unable or unwilling to make the trek to Salt Lake, so the LDS Church attempts to bring a slice of the Family History Library to your home town. Most average-sized towns have an LDS Family History Center (FHC), and most small towns are within a reasonable drive of one. The size of the FHC varies with locality, but most have a few books and a modest microfilm collection. Their usefulness largely comes from their ability to order most of the three million rolls of microfilm from the library in Salt Lake, and deliver them to you within about a week (depending on the enthusiasm of their volunteers). For $3.25, you can view the microfilm for up to five weeks. You can't take the microfilm from the FHC, but most FHCs have machines that can make copies from the microfilm. If you don't know how to access the collection, volunteers can take you through every step of the process. It works whether you are a beginner or a pro. People of other religions may feel like they will go to hell for setting foot in an LDS Temple; I'm a flamin' atheist and I've never been struck by lightning for going there. Volunteers are instructed NOT to discuss religion with the patrons. They may knock on your door at home to witness, but they will not attempt to convert you at the FHC. It's all about genealogy, not about religion. You know, like this list ought to be. The volunteers I've met have been courteous, and have helped me to the best of their abilities. They don't have tails and they don't eat babies, like you would expect from cultists. Just go to a FHC, and you will probably be amazed at the volume of information at your disposal. You can find a listing of the nearest FHC at familysearch.org. It's just immoral to show disrespect for these people who are willing to help so much, while asking for little to nothing in return. Brian Brian D. Core P.O. Box 1166 Brighton, CO 80601 [email protected] Web Page: http://pages.prodigy.net/greenhouseguy For attachments, use: [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

In a message dated 8/11/02 8:40:00 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << >> Why is this person on the list. On other lists and they take people off, if they don't respect what the site is for and that is genealogy. I usually just delete unwanted e-mail. M.B.

Roland: Obviously, you forgot to take your medication--AGAIN!

In a message dated 8/11/2002 5:41:14 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I would like to know more about the WOOLEVER side. My 5 ggrandmother is > Molly > Woolever/Wooliver/Wolleben born c. 1760 New Jersey, died bet. 1820-1830, > married Ebenezer Flanagan c 1785, born 5 May 1755 New Jersey, died bet > 1840-1850. They lived in Tucker/Hardy/Randolph Co area. All I have on Molly > > besides the above dates and their children is her father's name Jacob > Woolever/Wooliver/Wolleben. Do you know if Elizabeth is a sister to Molly. > The time frame and location seem correct. I haven't been able to prove that Jacob is Molly and Elizabeth's father. It's a guess, and there is an entry in the LDS on-line site, but the dates do not match up to what I've seen on Elizabeth's tombstone. Also, the site lists her as a widow. Now there's a possibility that she was married before she married John Wolford. I haven't been able to confirm it one way or another. That same site lists Margaret. Molly is a nickname of Margaret. Again, I can't confirm this is the same. Do you have Ebenezer Flanagan's Rev War information? I have a copy of it from another Flanagan researcher I can dig out easy. I'll forward this email to her. I'll gather some info and email you directly. Also Researching: Appley, Asbury, Barnum, Bauder/Bader, Bowling, Briggs, Burton, Carr, Clark, Dyer, Ecker, Finch, Flannery, Fox, Grim, Hardendorf, Harman, Hawk, Hayes, Henkle/Hinkle, Keith, Marcy, Pier, Sawyer, Summerfield, Schenk, Shepard, Slocum, Strong, Teter, Tinkham, Thompson/Thomson, Walker, Whitlam, Wilks, Wolford, Wood, Woolever. http://www.treelines.com http://www.lineage.net Regards, Diane ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Useful sites: http://rwguide.rootsweb.com/ (Hints for starting) http://communities.msn.com/AGenealogyExperience (A Genealogy Experience)

Diane I would like to know more about the WOOLEVER side. My 5 ggrandmother is Molly Woolever/Wooliver/Wolleben born c. 1760 New Jersey, died bet. 1820-1830, married Ebenezer Flanagan c 1785, born 5 May 1755 New Jersey, died bet 1840-1850. They lived in Tucker/Hardy/Randolph Co area. All I have on Molly besides the above dates and their children is her father's name Jacob Woolever/Wooliver/Wolleben. Do you know if Elizabeth is a sister to Molly. The time frame and location seem correct. Karen in FL

Yes here at the institute I get Prozac-Viagra combo's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine D Tomkins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 18:39 Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > Roland: Obviously, you forgot to take your medication--AGAIN! > > >

The truth is hard to take for the simple minded.The facts are there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Lamdin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 15:57 Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > Go pound sand ! > -----Original Message----- > From: roland elliott <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:24 AM > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > >Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told you some > time > >ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their religion > you > >will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether the > >ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't get enough in > >their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. > >damniant quod non intelligentsia > > > > >

Go pound sand ! -----Original Message----- From: roland elliott <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy >Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told you some time >ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their religion you >will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether the >ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't get enough in >their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. >damniant quod non intelligentsia >

I am interested in learning more about the Bruner/ Brunner family in Frederick and Hampshire counties. I am curious about the Heronimus (sp.?) Dick who married a Brunner woman and who the parents were of the Brunner woman that he married. My connection to the Brunner/Bruner family is through the CAPPER family. Jacob Brunner married Alley Capper in 1805 in Frederick County, VA. Alley Capper was a sister to my ggg grandfather Meredith Capper. Would like to find out the names of the children of Alley Capper and Jacob Brunner. Jacob Brunner died in the war of 1812 per his wife Alley's pension. They are thought to have had at least one son and two or three daughters from the 1810 and 1820 census's. Could not find Alley Capper Brunner in the 1830, 1840 or 1850 census, but she lived until 1859 in Frederick or Hampshire County, VA per her widow's pension, so must have been in the household of one of her children or another relative in those census's. Candace in Oregon [email protected] ==== VAFREDER Mailing List ==== WATCH YOUR SUBJECT LINES Many list members delete mail based upon subjects

In a message dated 8/11/2002 8:24:18 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told you some time > ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their religion > you > will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether the > ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't get enough in > their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. > damniant quod non intelligentsia > Ancestry.com? Familysearch.com? Two different animals here. And I don't care if they get points or not. If they have my missing ancestors with some form of documentation, I'll personally write them a letter of admission to Heaven. Speaking of missing, anyone doing WOLFORDs of West Virginia and found some obscure records. I'm researching John Wolford b 1754 m. Elizabeth Woolever. Not to be confused to John Wolford of Maryland that died in Hampshire County. This John, born in PA and served in NJ militia, moved to Randolph/Tucker county around the turn of the century. Also Researching: Appley, Asbury, Barnum, Bauder/Bader, Bowling, Briggs, Burton, Carr, Clark, Dyer, Ecker, Finch, Flannery, Fox, Grim, Hardendorf, Harman, Hawk, Hayes, Henkle/Hinkle, Keith, Marcy, Pier, Sawyer, Summerfield, Schenk, Shepard, Slocum, Strong, Teter, Tinkham, Thompson/Thomson, Walker, Whitlam, Wilks, Wolford, Wood, Woolever. http://www.treelines.com http://www.lineage.net Regards, Diane ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Useful sites: http://rwguide.rootsweb.com/ (Hints for starting) http://communities.msn.com/AGenealogyExperience (A Genealogy Experience)

Sounds like you are speaking of the LDS church... My question to you was why did the URL you posted download something called Apache on my computer! AND..if you don't believe in what they believe, what's the difference if they get "points" or not.... Also, this has nothing to do with the Hampshire list, so IF you can answer my original question, I would appreciate it...if your agenda is just political or religious blasting, I'm not interested....I believe in Karma! Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "roland elliott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:23 AM Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told you some time > ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their religion you > will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether the > ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't get enough in > their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. > damniant quod non intelligentsia > >

Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told you some time ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their religion you will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether the ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't get enough in their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. damniant quod non intelligentsia

Lance, What did you do? I tried this and it told me I couldn't find it then, I reduced the URL to http://ike.hurdmanivr.com and it told me as soon as it came up the some Apache something was successfully installed. What's going on here! Have you caused any damage? If so, could someone lend a hand. Thanks, Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "roland elliott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:02 PM Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Dealing with Ancestry.com > > .com/gen/ > > When there, type in "Ancestry.com" in the "Search this Forum" box and > > press > > "GO". You will then be presented with at least six pages of listings of > > messages that have been posted regarding Ancestry.com. If you still feel > > inclined to deal or continue dealing with Ancestry.com after reading the > > relevant messages (the subject will indicate the content), then pay a > > visit > > to this site: > > http://ike.hurdmanivr.com/salt/index.html > > This is the site of the Better Business Bureau of Utah. On their front > > page > > click on "here" in the panel labelled "Business Database Online", type > > in > > "Ancestry.com" in the search box on the next page. Then click the > > address on > > the next page to read an enlightening report. > > > > Unfortunately Ancestry.com is no longer the once consumer-friendly > > privately > > owned company that we knew years ago. If you wish to learn more about > > just > > who is backing Ancestry.com, scroll down to the bottom of their web page > > and > > click on "About Us". You may be quite surprised to see just who is > > controlling this organisation. > > > > Then after all this investigation, if you still feel inclined to deal > > with > > them, by all means, go ahead. But remember, caveat emptor! > > > > Lance > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== FAMILYSEARCH Mailing List ==== > > Subscribing and changing your mail mode are easy....: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~famsearch > > > > > > > >

.com/gen/ > When there, type in "Ancestry.com" in the "Search this Forum" box and > press > "GO". You will then be presented with at least six pages of listings of > messages that have been posted regarding Ancestry.com. If you still feel > inclined to deal or continue dealing with Ancestry.com after reading the > relevant messages (the subject will indicate the content), then pay a > visit > to this site: > http://ike.hurdmanivr.com/salt/index.html > This is the site of the Better Business Bureau of Utah. On their front > page > click on "here" in the panel labelled "Business Database Online", type > in > "Ancestry.com" in the search box on the next page. Then click the > address on > the next page to read an enlightening report. > > Unfortunately Ancestry.com is no longer the once consumer-friendly > privately > owned company that we knew years ago. If you wish to learn more about > just > who is backing Ancestry.com, scroll down to the bottom of their web page > and > click on "About Us". You may be quite surprised to see just who is > controlling this organisation. > > Then after all this investigation, if you still feel inclined to deal > with > them, by all means, go ahead. But remember, caveat emptor! > > Lance > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== FAMILYSEARCH Mailing List ==== > Subscribing and changing your mail mode are easy....: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~famsearch > > >

Re-transmitted: Dear Hampshire County Listers, I am a descendant of the Park Family of Frederick County, VA--later Hampshire Co., VA/WV beginning in the mid-1700s with John Parke I (1674-1757) and Sarah Smith (1675-1759), my 7th Great Grandparents from Hopewell, NJ (Hunterdon Co.). Their Grandson, Ebenezer Park (1747-1839) later migrated from Hampshire to Rowan Co., NC in the 1760s, where he married Tabitha Mills (1752-1826) on 6 Jan 1772--they are my 5th GGPs. Eb and Tab later moved to Madison/Estill County, KY in 1796 with their 10 children on horseback. However, Eb's older brother and my 5th Great Uncle, John Park III (1735-1816) m. Susanna Elrod (MD), are still buried behind the old Park Homestead (Once a log cabin, now a white house with green shutters) that sits off just off of the left side of Rt. 50E between Romney and Capon Bridge, WV (between Cooper and Schaffenaker Mountains) in a place known as Parks Valley (recent history known as Lovetts Flatts), just below Dillons Run (John and Ebenezer's brother, Allen Park, owned 227 acres of land on Dillons). In 1999 or so, the local Boy Scout Troop cleaned up John and Susanna's family cemetery which also includes members of the Cooper and Brill Families there as well. Part of this initiative including painting the iron rod fence which surrounds it. the scouts did a wonderful job and put in hundreds of man-hours to do so. The owner of this land, Romney attorney, Ralph Haines, died a few weeks ago. He had employed caretaker, Tom Nichols of Shanks, WV who watched after the house, but apparently was never paid to take care of the cemetery. Hence, the reason for my note. I have been told that this cemetery is now very much overgrown again and I am inquiring as to whether the Hampshire County Historical Society and local descendants of John and Susanna Park and their Grandson, Enoch Park (Hardy Co.), would be interested in helping to clean this Revolutionary burial ground up and adopt it? Can measures be put in to place to ensure it is cared for on a regular basis? I can help as well, but am limited in how often I can travel there (5-hour drive from my home, one-way). Also, does anyone on the list know who now owns the Park Homestead and Cemetery today? Do plans for the school and road to be constructed near this site, include provisions for preserving these historical monuments (Homestead and Cemetery). This is a very scenic area and I believe a historically rich site in this part of WV, where often Civil War History sometimes overshadows the Revolutionary War-era and families such as the Parks, who are sometimes forgotten. My 7th GGF, John Parke I (1674-1757) m. Sarah Smith (1675-1759) as well as some of his children (Andrew) and granchildren are buried in a cemetery known as Kale behind the Burzie Baker farmhouse (tenant farm). The Kale/Cale family lived on John and Sarah's farm long after they had passed. I call the cemetery the Old Park Cemetery for my Revolutionary ancestors buried there. Please help, if you can. I am very interested in hearing others thoughts, information, and suggestions, regarding preservation of the Park Valley Homestead and Cemetery. Sincerely, Doug Park My line: Dr. Roger Parke, Sr. (1654-1731) and Anne Pattison John Parke I (1674-1757) and Sarah Smith (1675-1759) John Park II (1707-1758) and Mary Davis (1710-1771) Ebenezer Park (1747-1839) and Tabitha Mills (1752-1826) John Park (1772-1828) and Mary (Polly) Peeler (1774-1855) Jonah Park (1806-1884) and Melinda McMonegal (1810-1862) John McMonegal Park (1827-1901) and Martha Cobb (1835-1911) William Henry Park I. (1860-1932) and Eleanor Simpson (1865-1944) William Holton Park (1900-1980) and Elveree Collins Durham (1911-1989) William Henry Park II (1930- ) and Frances Theresa Bell (Prioriello) (1932

Greetings one and all, Updated the Church of the Brethren & Cemetery. Wayne of Capon Bridge Hampshire Co.: http://www.raven-villages.net/rwayne/hampco/index.htm My Homepage: http://www.raven-villages.net/rwayne/index.htm