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    1. Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] In defense of the IGI
    2. Charlene Turner Smith
    3. Renee, Thank you for the enlightening information about the IGI. All we need now is an explanation of how to de-code the source information and how to access such sources short of a trip to Salt Lake City. I know, I know... visit the local LDS Family History Center and order the info on microfilm from them. If any one has other suggestions, I'm willing to listen. Honestly, I don't mind the IGI nearly as much as I hate the idea that the FamilySearch.org and Ancestry.com (both organizations we "should" be able to trust for accurate info) freely publish on-line information they have not troubled to check to see if it was documented or not. Family Tree Maker does the same thing. The last line of defense stands with each one of us to make sure what we cite as truth we have docuemented and if it isn't documented to make darn sure we make it known up front. Suggestions on digging out those sources, anyone??? Charlene

    08/13/2002 06:40:05
    1. Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Woolever, Wolford from NJ, 1780s-1790
    2. singhals
    3. At 05:53 PM 08/12/2002 EDT, you wrote: >Elizabeth Woolever (1759-1828 in Randolph County) m. John Wolford (1754 >PA-1839 WV) before 1790. I am assuming Hampshire County because several of >their children were born in that county. > >Got a question for those Hampshire experts of the 1700s era. How do I find >their marriage date? I know the marriage bond book was one of the victims >during the Civil War. I'm wondering if there is anything else available. The expert unsubbed yesterday. :( You might try the techniques I list at http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/s1.htm It's your only hope, unless you stumble across someone with the Family Bible. Cheryl *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Cheryl Singhal ([email protected]) http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/blyton/772/ (Bottony Cross DAR) http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

    08/13/2002 04:25:28
    1. Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] WOLFORD WOOLEVER
    2. In a message dated 8/12/02 9:24:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > settled in the USA in NJ; Hunterdon County to be specific, I am needing to do some researh in this very area, can someone direct me please. I have found reference that my 4th great grandfather is on the tax records for 1778-97 there before he came to Hampshire Co. I have found him starting in 1797 in Hampshire Co. Kathy Heare Watts

    08/13/2002 03:24:14
    1. [WVHAMPSH-L] In defense of the IGI
    2. Renee Dauven
    3. I thought that I would stick an oar in the water and say a few words in defense of the IGI. I think that the problem that many people have with it is that they just don't understand what it is and what it can and, conversely, cannot do for you. The IGI is really just what it names implies: an index...an huge index to a myriad number of sources. The usefulness of the information in the IGI rest soley on the quality of those sources. Once you have located a piece of information that interests you in the IGI, you still have to track it to the source of the information. Some of those sources will be next to useless to you. Some of them may be a treasure trove. To understand the IGI, you have to know what the kinds of sources were that were used to compile it, wheter it was from an old FGS submitted for Temple work, a name-extraction program from old South American church records, or marriages from an traveling missionaries diaries. What the IGI can't do for you is replace the research in those original records. It can't stand on its own as a means to build an genealogy. (To ask it to do so would be like using a census index entry to represent the listing on the original census page.) What it can do for you is lead you to some original sources or to other researchers. It can't replace those sources. The long and short...Check out the batch numbers and find out what the source was! Renee L. Dauven

    08/12/2002 12:49:39
    1. [WVHAMPSH-L] regarding free speech
    2. Michelle Rosedale Staggs
    3. Charlene, While I privately agree with your sentiments I could not allow this person to stay on the list. If he had not unsubscribed I would have had to remove him from the list. I certainly agree that much of the LDS information is not worthy of serious consideration by genealogists. My problem is that he was defaming a religion rather than a resource. I believe in everyone's right to an opinion but not when it becomes an attack. I hope that we can all go back to concentrating on our research instead of dwelling on this unfortunate incident. Yours Sincerely, Michelle Staggs

    08/12/2002 11:57:34
    1. [WVHAMPSH-L] Woolever, Wolford from NJ, 1780s-1790
    2. Elizabeth Woolever (1759-1828 in Randolph County) m. John Wolford (1754 PA-1839 WV) before 1790. I am assuming Hampshire County because several of their children were born in that county. Got a question for those Hampshire experts of the 1700s era. How do I find their marriage date? I know the marriage bond book was one of the victims during the Civil War. I'm wondering if there is anything else available. I live 4 days of hard driving away from WV so climbing in the family pick-up truck and cruising to Hampshire County is out of the question right now. <G> Thanks in advance. Also Researching: Appley, Asbury, Barnum, Bauder/Bader, Bowling, Briggs, Burton, Carr, Clark, Dyer, Ecker, Finch, Flannery, Fox, Grim, Hardendorf, Harman, Hawk, Hayes, Henkle/Hinkle, Keith, Marcy, Pier, Sawyer, Summerfield, Schenk, Shepard, Slocum, Strong, Teter, Tinkham, Thompson/Thomson, Walker, Whitlam, Wilks, Wolford, Wood, Woolever. http://www.treelines.com http://www.lineage.net Regards, Diane ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Useful sites: http://rwguide.rootsweb.com/ (Hints for starting) http://communities.msn.com/AGenealogyExperience (A Genealogy Experience)

    08/12/2002 11:53:02
    1. Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] unsubscribe
    2. Unsubscribe me. I thought this was a geneaology page. Guess I was wrong.

    08/12/2002 11:40:17
    1. [WVHAMPSH-L] I am very sorry
    2. Michelle Rosedale Staggs
    3. Hello all, I went on a short vacation this weekend. I had no way to check my email messages. I apologize that I was not here to take care of things until now. Mr. Elliott seems to have unsubscribed from the list and hopefully we will have no more inflamatory comments regarding people, places, religion or anything else. Several wonderful contributors to the list have left in disgust and I can't really blame them. I hope that someday they will return to the list and continue to contribute. Please remember to be respectful of others on this list. We are here to discuss genealogy, not to slam others personal beliefs, practices or methods. I will in the future remove anyone from the list that is not acting in a professional, courteous manner with out warning. I try to read all of the message that come through the list. Unfortunately because I work, I don't always have the time to do more than glance at them. In the future, please feel free to email me directly at [email protected] if you have questions, problems or concerns. Hampshire Co has a rich and wonderful history and I hope this list will continue to meet the needs of Hampshire Co researchers. Yours Sincerely, Michelle Rosedale Staggs

    08/12/2002 11:34:45
    1. [WVHAMPSH-L] It's a shame
    2. Mary Louise Gossum
    3. It's a shame we have lost people like Wilmer Kerns because of people like Roland Elliott who has always been a trouble maker. I unsubscribed once because of him but then came back recently only to find that he is still at it. Mary Louise

    08/12/2002 11:16:33
    1. [WVHAMPSH-L] EVERYONE SHOULD IGNORE ROLAND ELLIOTT
    2. Sharon Perdue
    3. Roland Elliott is a strange person, and everyone on this list should ignore him. I have learned to delete his e-mails without opening them, and ALL others with the same subject. He gets the list going every few months and then we end up losing a valuable resource like Wilmer Kerns!!!! EVERYONE SHOULD IGNORE ROLAND ELLIOTT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian D Core" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:13 AM Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Intolerance? > I don't think that it's accurate or fair to call LDS members cultists. > Religious intolerance is a certain sign of ignorance. Since this is a > genealogy list, not a spiritual list, it wouldn't be appropriate to > compare the "correctness" of the various religions. As genealogists, what > should we know about the LDS Church? > > The LDS Church sponsors a web site, familysearch.org. Most of the > information in their IGI files is undocumented, and can not be relied on. > That doesn't make it ALL inaccurate, but any information from the IGI > should be documented before it is used. There are many, many mistakes. > The web site also has a catalog for their Family History Library, which > is the largest genealogy in the world, by far. The books do not > circulate, and must be viewed at the Family History Library in Salt Lake > City. Many millions of people have made the journey to Salt Lake to visit > the library, and most probably found it to be a clean, friendly town. > There are comfortable and affordable accommodations near Temple Square. > The Temple in Salt Lake is a beautiful building, and the landscape alone > would make the trip worthwhile. The library handles an incredible number > of patrons, who typically line up at the door an hour before it opens. > Inside, you will find hundreds of thousands of books about history and > genealogy. If that's not enough, there are about three million rolls of > microfilm of state, local, and national records, military records, local > histories, family Bibles, church records from nearly every country, and > genealogical books of every description. If you are overwhelmed by the > volume of the material, there are dozens of volunteers to help you. Your > entrance to the library costs you nothing. Pay for your copies and don't > steal anything, and you're square with the LDS Church. > > Most people are probably unable or unwilling to make the trek to Salt > Lake, so the LDS Church attempts to bring a slice of the Family History > Library to your home town. Most average-sized towns have an LDS Family > History Center (FHC), and most small towns are within a reasonable drive > of one. The size of the FHC varies with locality, but most have a few > books and a modest microfilm collection. Their usefulness largely comes > from their ability to order most of the three million rolls of microfilm > from the library in Salt Lake, and deliver them to you within about a > week (depending on the enthusiasm of their volunteers). For $3.25, you > can view the microfilm for up to five weeks. You can't take the microfilm > from the FHC, but most FHCs have machines that can make copies from the > microfilm. If you don't know how to access the collection, volunteers can > take you through every step of the process. It works whether you are a > beginner or a pro. People of other religions may feel like they will go > to hell for setting foot in an LDS Temple; I'm a flamin' atheist and I've > never been struck by lightning for going there. Volunteers are instructed > NOT to discuss religion with the patrons. They may knock on your door at > home to witness, but they will not attempt to convert you at the FHC. > It's all about genealogy, not about religion. You know, like this list > ought to be. The volunteers I've met have been courteous, and have helped > me to the best of their abilities. They don't have tails and they don't > eat babies, like you would expect from cultists. Just go to a FHC, and > you will probably be amazed at the volume of information at your > disposal. You can find a listing of the nearest FHC at familysearch.org. > > It's just immoral to show disrespect for these people who are willing to > help so much, while asking for little to nothing in return. > > Brian > > Brian D. Core > P.O. Box 1166 > Brighton, CO 80601 > [email protected] Web Page: http://pages.prodigy.net/greenhouseguy > For attachments, use: [email protected] > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. >

    08/12/2002 10:54:33
    1. [WVHAMPSH-L] Documentation
    2. Charlene Turner Smith
    3. It is really SAD that so many folks on this list are so quick to condemn others. What Roland Elliott was talking about in his inimitable style was the fact that much of the information one will find listed with the LDS/FamilySeach/Ancestry etc. is NOT DOCUMENTED. It is very frustrating to spend precious time searching for a loved one to find merely a name and a "circa" date. Several years ago, when I didn't know any better, I innocently uploaded a web-page to Family Tree with some totally undocumented information. Last year, while doing a search I found MY web-page listed on the LDS/FamilySeach site!! Who knows how many trusting folks list Elizabeth Clover as the wife of William Yost when it hasn't been proven. Plain and simple to accept undocumented information as gospel is nothing less than JUNK GENEALOGY and something I would hope the folks on this list would avoid like anthrax! If it were a perfect world the PROFESSIONALS at LDS/FamilySearch/Ancestry would demand documentation before publishing anything... alas our world is not perfect. Roland has offered much to this list that is worthy of our admiration. To give him the left foot of fellowship because we don't like his opinion is rather un-American in light of the First Amendment to the Constitution (i.e. Freedom of Speech). If you don't appreciate his style, tell him so personally not publicly then delete his messages. At the very least follow Dr. Kerns' lead and un-sub yourself for a while before demanding someone else be thrown off the list. As for those who insist that Roland's message wasn't about genealogy ... think again. DOCUMENTATION is the heart of real genealogy. If you're not going to demand the highest standards in your own work, you're wasting your time! Suppose the hate mail will be aimed at me now. Charlene Turner Smith

    08/12/2002 10:21:41
    1. RE: Fw: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy
    2. Mark A. Holt
    3. Unsubscribe yourself, oh enlightened one. Send email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body. Your uncanny awareness and keen powers of observation are beyond our comprehension... you're just misunderstood here. I think it's best that you join a list where you're more appreciated. We'll miss you... bye bye. Mark Holt. -----Original Message----- From: roland elliott [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Fw: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy Unsubscribe me - - you just don't read,don't know what is going on and don't care.UNSUBSCRIBE me ----- Original Message ----- From: "marian" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:04 Subject: Re: Fw: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > I discovered I named the wrong person right after I sent that e-mail. > > My apologies to Brad. > > Why hasn't Elliott been banned from this site, if this wasn't his > first time? The same thing is happening on the Italy rootsweb site. > > I just want to do research. The disagreements should not be sent to > the list. Just my opinion. > > I hope things will get back to normal now. > Thanks, > Marian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine D Tomkins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > Brad is not the problem; Roland Elliott is. You would have seen > > this if > you > > had followed this thread to its origin. Roland periodically goes > > off on > some > > tangent and posts inflamatory messages to the list having nothing to > > do > with > > Hampshire Co. genealogy, and usually nothing to do with genealogy at all. > He > > has been doing this for some time. On one recent tangent, he > > blatently insulted someone who was trying to be helpful to people in > > general. On > his > > last tangent he posted a rambling message that had nothing to do > > with > genealogy > > and made no sense at all and, in fact, looked to be the ravings of a > lunatic. > > When a few of us posted a message that this sort of thing had no > > place on > the > > list, he then posted a message that, in essence, said that because > > we did > not > > agree with him, we were all ignorant. I and others have tried contacting > him > > off the list, but he only becomes even more incoherent. > > > > marian wrote: > > > > > I don't know about you but it appears this Brad person should be removed > > > from the list. We are here to do research not flame others. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brad Lamdin" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > > > > Go pound sand ! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: roland elliott <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > > Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:24 AM > > > > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told > > > > >you > some > > > > time > > > > >ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their > religion > > > > you > > > > >will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether > > > > >the ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't > > > > >get enough > in > > > > >their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. damniant quod > > > > >non intelligentsia > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > >

    08/12/2002 08:26:32
    1. [WVHAMPSH-L] unsubscribe
    2. Wilmer L. Kerns
    3. too much noise on here, I'm gone

    08/12/2002 08:20:37
    1. Re: Fw: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy
    2. marian
    3. I discovered I named the wrong person right after I sent that e-mail. My apologies to Brad. Why hasn't Elliott been banned from this site, if this wasn't his first time? The same thing is happening on the Italy rootsweb site. I just want to do research. The disagreements should not be sent to the list. Just my opinion. I hope things will get back to normal now. Thanks, Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine D Tomkins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > Brad is not the problem; Roland Elliott is. You would have seen this if you > had followed this thread to its origin. Roland periodically goes off on some > tangent and posts inflamatory messages to the list having nothing to do with > Hampshire Co. genealogy, and usually nothing to do with genealogy at all. He > has been doing this for some time. On one recent tangent, he blatently > insulted someone who was trying to be helpful to people in general. On his > last tangent he posted a rambling message that had nothing to do with genealogy > and made no sense at all and, in fact, looked to be the ravings of a lunatic. > When a few of us posted a message that this sort of thing had no place on the > list, he then posted a message that, in essence, said that because we did not > agree with him, we were all ignorant. I and others have tried contacting him > off the list, but he only becomes even more incoherent. > > marian wrote: > > > I don't know about you but it appears this Brad person should be removed > > from the list. We are here to do research not flame others. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brad Lamdin" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > > Go pound sand ! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: roland elliott <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:24 AM > > > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > > > > > > >Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told you some > > > time > > > >ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their religion > > > you > > > >will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether the > > > >ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't get enough in > > > >their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. > > > >damniant quod non intelligentsia > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > >

    08/12/2002 07:04:50
    1. Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Intolerance?
    2. Hurray Brian I concur. The LDS Church has been most helpful in my genealogical research and the people very accommodating. However, there is something strange going on between AOL and Ancestry. Last week, I tried to log in to Ancestry the regular way and it come up with an AOL link asking for my Name and AOL password while linking it to my AOL screen name. I called AOL and tech support thought it was fraud. AOL's fraud department was most unhelpful, told me I was never to give out the password and that's that. Sent an email to Steve Case, president of AOL asking what this ucdm.aol account was and have never received a reply. I called Ancestry and they say they have an agreement with AOL and that the only way to bypass the big brother tactics is to use another ISP! We have another ISP provider and sure enough, I was able to log on as usual. I now have to think twice whether I will drop Ancestry or AOL. The thought of an ISP in partnership with a company website is disturbing. . Karen

    08/12/2002 06:49:20
  1. 08/12/2002 05:53:01
    1. Re: Fw: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy
    2. roland elliott
    3. Unsubscribe me - - you just don't read,don't know what is going on and don't care.UNSUBSCRIBE me ----- Original Message ----- From: "marian" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:04 Subject: Re: Fw: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > I discovered I named the wrong person right after I sent that e-mail. > > My apologies to Brad. > > Why hasn't Elliott been banned from this site, if this wasn't his first > time? The same thing is happening on the Italy rootsweb site. > > I just want to do research. The disagreements should not be sent to the > list. Just my opinion. > > I hope things will get back to normal now. > Thanks, > Marian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine D Tomkins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > Brad is not the problem; Roland Elliott is. You would have seen this if > you > > had followed this thread to its origin. Roland periodically goes off on > some > > tangent and posts inflamatory messages to the list having nothing to do > with > > Hampshire Co. genealogy, and usually nothing to do with genealogy at all. > He > > has been doing this for some time. On one recent tangent, he blatently > > insulted someone who was trying to be helpful to people in general. On > his > > last tangent he posted a rambling message that had nothing to do with > genealogy > > and made no sense at all and, in fact, looked to be the ravings of a > lunatic. > > When a few of us posted a message that this sort of thing had no place on > the > > list, he then posted a message that, in essence, said that because we did > not > > agree with him, we were all ignorant. I and others have tried contacting > him > > off the list, but he only becomes even more incoherent. > > > > marian wrote: > > > > > I don't know about you but it appears this Brad person should be removed > > > from the list. We are here to do research not flame others. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brad Lamdin" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > > > > Go pound sand ! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: roland elliott <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > > Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:24 AM > > > > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Genealgy > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ancestory.com is owned by a religious/cult group and as I told you > some > > > > time > > > > >ago they are bastardizing files.If you read there book of their > religion > > > > you > > > > >will see they get"points" in heaven by saving ancestors,whether the > > > > >ancestors or descendants want to or not,and if they don't get enough > in > > > > >their own line,they falsify lines,add sibs etc. > > > > >damniant quod non intelligentsia > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > >

    08/12/2002 04:24:33
    1. Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] WOLFORD WOOLEVER
    2. In a message dated 8/12/2002 7:24:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I have quite a few WOOLEVER / WOOLEBEN names in my database; back to the > early 1600s; settled in the USA in NJ; Hunterdon County to be specific, > through connections to my EFLAND / EVELAND line. If you could "hum a few > more bars" (i.e., more dates and names), perhaps I could help. We might > have > a missing generation between what I have and what you have. What I have on the Woolever side is Elizabeth Woolever (1759-28 Mar 1828 from her tombstone in Tucker County, WV) married to John Wolford (spelling may vary in mid 1700s). He served in the NJ militia during the Revolutionary War. I am guessing John lived in Sussex County during the Revolution. In May 1777, he stated he went with Capt John Pipenger, under Col. Jacob West, to guard the Sussex Court House. He went out again in Sept 1777 under Capt. John Pipenger and Capt John Potty. March 1778, he went with Capt John Winter, under Col. Jacob West, to Elizabethtown. In summer of 1779, he went out with Capt. John Pippenger, under Col. West, to Hacket's Town and north western wilderness area. In September 1779, he went out with Capt. John Pippenger, under Col. West to the Blue mountains and up the Delaware River to near the York line and under Major Westbrooks. In September 1780, he went out with Capt John Pippenger, under Col. West, to Morris Town Total service: About 4 months as a sergeant and 5 months and six days as a private. Elizabeth Woolever has a sister, Molly Woolever, who married Ebenezer Flanagan. Both Ebenezer Flanagan and John Wolford were living in the Randolph/Tucker counties area in the 1830s when they applied for Rev War pension. Elizabeth and John Wolford had children: Jacob (born about 1790), Abraham, Anna, John, Martin, Jemima. Molly and Ebenezer had children: William, Arch, Jacob, Alfred, Ruby, James, John. There is a will in a WV county clerk office (trying to remember which one) that just says "Heirs of Jacob Woolever". I've never seen it. There is also a 22 Feb 1774 will in Hunterdon County, NJ, that seems interesting, but there are several inconsistancies with names. It does list Elizabeth (widow) and Margaret (full name for Molly???), but Elizabeth has a child. If this Jacob is Elizabeth and Molly's father, Elizabeth would only be about 15. In my opinion, too young to have been married, widowed and a mother. Also Researching: Appley, Asbury, Barnum, Bauder/Bader, Bowling, Briggs, Burton, Carr, Clark, Dyer, Ecker, Finch, Flannery, Fox, Grim, Hardendorf, Harman, Hawk, Hayes, Henkle/Hinkle, Keith, Marcy, Pier, Sawyer, Summerfield, Schenk, Shepard, Slocum, Strong, Teter, Tinkham, Thompson/Thomson, Walker, Whitlam, Wilks, Wolford, Wood, Woolever. http://www.treelines.com http://www.lineage.net Regards, Diane ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Useful sites: http://rwguide.rootsweb.com/ (Hints for starting) http://communities.msn.com/AGenealogyExperience (A Genealogy Experience)

    08/12/2002 03:42:07
    1. Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] WOLFORD WOOLEVER
    2. I have quite a few WOOLEVER / WOOLEBEN names in my database; back to the early 1600s; settled in the USA in NJ; Hunterdon County to be specific, through connections to my EFLAND / EVELAND line. If you could "hum a few more bars" (i.e., more dates and names), perhaps I could help. We might have a missing generation between what I have and what you have. - Tom Wilson (researching in Hampshire County: CHENOWETH, PARKE, SMITH)

    08/12/2002 03:24:55
    1. Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Intolerance?
    2. Brad Lamdin
    3. Good reply---Brad Lamdin--Cambria---Ca -----Original Message----- From: Brian D Core <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Intolerance? >I don't think that it's accurate or fair to call LDS members cultists. >Religious intolerance is a certain sign of ignorance. Since this is a >genealogy list, not a spiritual list, it wouldn't be appropriate to >compare the "correctness" of the various religions. As genealogists, what >should we know about the LDS Church? > >The LDS Church sponsors a web site, familysearch.org. Most of the >information in their IGI files is undocumented, and can not be relied on. >That doesn't make it ALL inaccurate, but any information from the IGI >should be documented before it is used. There are many, many mistakes. >The web site also has a catalog for their Family History Library, which >is the largest genealogy in the world, by far. The books do not >circulate, and must be viewed at the Family History Library in Salt Lake >City. Many millions of people have made the journey to Salt Lake to visit >the library, and most probably found it to be a clean, friendly town. >There are comfortable and affordable accommodations near Temple Square. >The Temple in Salt Lake is a beautiful building, and the landscape alone >would make the trip worthwhile. The library handles an incredible number >of patrons, who typically line up at the door an hour before it opens. >Inside, you will find hundreds of thousands of books about history and >genealogy. If that's not enough, there are about three million rolls of >microfilm of state, local, and national records, military records, local >histories, family Bibles, church records from nearly every country, and >genealogical books of every description. If you are overwhelmed by the >volume of the material, there are dozens of volunteers to help you. Your >entrance to the library costs you nothing. Pay for your copies and don't >steal anything, and you're square with the LDS Church. > >Most people are probably unable or unwilling to make the trek to Salt >Lake, so the LDS Church attempts to bring a slice of the Family History >Library to your home town. Most average-sized towns have an LDS Family >History Center (FHC), and most small towns are within a reasonable drive >of one. The size of the FHC varies with locality, but most have a few >books and a modest microfilm collection. Their usefulness largely comes >from their ability to order most of the three million rolls of microfilm >from the library in Salt Lake, and deliver them to you within about a >week (depending on the enthusiasm of their volunteers). For $3.25, you >can view the microfilm for up to five weeks. You can't take the microfilm >from the FHC, but most FHCs have machines that can make copies from the >microfilm. If you don't know how to access the collection, volunteers can >take you through every step of the process. It works whether you are a >beginner or a pro. People of other religions may feel like they will go >to hell for setting foot in an LDS Temple; I'm a flamin' atheist and I've >never been struck by lightning for going there. Volunteers are instructed >NOT to discuss religion with the patrons. They may knock on your door at >home to witness, but they will not attempt to convert you at the FHC. >It's all about genealogy, not about religion. You know, like this list >ought to be. The volunteers I've met have been courteous, and have helped >me to the best of their abilities. They don't have tails and they don't >eat babies, like you would expect from cultists. Just go to a FHC, and >you will probably be amazed at the volume of information at your >disposal. You can find a listing of the nearest FHC at familysearch.org. > >It's just immoral to show disrespect for these people who are willing to >help so much, while asking for little to nothing in return. > >Brian > >Brian D. Core >P.O. Box 1166 >Brighton, CO 80601 >[email protected] Web Page: http://pages.prodigy.net/greenhouseguy >For attachments, use: [email protected] > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >

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