Howdy Wayne, Hope you had a good honeymoon. Did you get a chance to take those pictures of the headstones? Jerry Edwards Looking for Edwards/Chamberlain/Mote/Patty/Hiatt/Hiett ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Wayne McGahuey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] Hook's Mill > Izetta, > > I'm good friends with the owners. > > The mill is off of the River Road between Capon Bridge and Yellow Springs. > > I have fixed their computer. > > The Hook Cemetery is down the road from the Hooks Mill. > > Wayne > > At 03:22 PM 8/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello List, > > > >Does anyone know where Hook's Mill is or was located in Hampshire County ? > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Izetta > > Hampshire Co. website: (not working until CityNet sets me up a website) > My Homepage website: (not working until CityNet sets me up a website) > > >

Izetta, I'm good friends with the owners. The mill is off of the River Road between Capon Bridge and Yellow Springs. I have fixed their computer. The Hook Cemetery is down the road from the Hooks Mill. Wayne At 03:22 PM 8/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hello List, > >Does anyone know where Hook's Mill is or was located in Hampshire County ? > >Thanks in advance, > >Izetta Hampshire Co. website: (not working until CityNet sets me up a website) My Homepage website: (not working until CityNet sets me up a website)

Hello List, Does anyone know where Hook's Mill is or was located in Hampshire County ? Thanks in advance, Izetta

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: WVHAMPSH-D Digest V02 #283

At 10:09 PM 08/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: >"Lew Wallace, famed as a Civil War general and author of Ben Hur, was a >lackadaisical fifteen-year-old school dropout - and son of the state >governor - when he was appointed assistant clerk of Marion County, >Indiana. His assignment: copying deeds and judgments at ten cents per >hundred words. Meticulously recorded documents from that time and place >should not be expected (p. 53)." Funny you should mention Marion Co. Indiana. (g) I was at Ancestry's message boards t'other night and did a search for Greitzner (one of my troubling lines). Imagine my surprise when an 1853 marriage in Marion Co. IN popped up for John! I'd love to know if the record actually says Greitzner and if it does what other info is there. Only Greitzner entry on the 1850 is John in Hardy co WV who is aleady married and remains so until his death in 1876 in Romney. Cheryl *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Cheryl Singhal ([email protected]) http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/blyton/772/ (Bottony Cross DAR) http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

I am still looking for a good bit of info on for my family tree. I have updated my homepages that have lots of surnames on them. If anyone has any info they want to share with me please email me. If you want me to keep info to myself or to add it to my page so others can see, please let me know. I can be reached at my email address below. If there is corrections that you also would like to send feel free. Shirley Tasker [email protected] http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=dctkr http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=sjtkr

Evidence! Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian by Elizabeth Shown Mills (Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 1997) has something interesting to say on this topic: "Lew Wallace, famed as a Civil War general and author of Ben Hur, was a lackadaisical fifteen-year-old school dropout - and son of the state governor - when he was appointed assistant clerk of Marion County, Indiana. His assignment: copying deeds and judgments at ten cents per hundred words. Meticulously recorded documents from that time and place should not be expected (p. 53)." So, deeds in the bound volumes could not possibly contain the original signatures. However, there was a mechanical device (sorry, the name of this instrument escapes me) that allowed clerks to trace a signature with a stylus while duplicating the signature on another sheet of paper. I would estimate that only a small percentage of clerks would have had this equipment, but in those cases, an accurate representation of a person's penmanship would have been reproduced. By the same token, mistakes are possible every time a human being picks up a pen. Ms. Mills' book takes a very practical approach to analyzing evidence, and sets down some good rules for citation. It sells for around $16.95, and can be purchased from several genealogical book sources on the web. Brian Brian D. Core P.O. Box 1166 Brighton, CO 80601 [email protected] Web Page: http://pages.prodigy.net/greenhouseguy For attachments, use: [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Yes, in Virginia, the clerks of court have been doing this since around 1636. They still are. Same in WV. WHom did you think recorded them? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Hangsleben" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: RE: [WVHAMPSH-L] Early deeds question > Clerks' recorded deeds. Karen > > ---------- > From: [email protected][SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Early deeds question > > Have been perusing copies of deeds from Pendleton County....time frame of > 1780-1820. The intent was to compare signatures from deeds written in other > counties. Well...the deeds in Pendleton County that I have are signed "by the > same hand" that wrote the deed. If there are three signatures, all are "by > the same hand." Has anyone else encountered this problem? From counties other > than Pendleton? > > My question: Is it possible these deeds were transcribed by hand from earlier > records? And if so, where are the earlier records? > > Thanks, > Vivian > > >

Clerks' recorded deeds. Karen ---------- From: [email protected][SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Early deeds question Have been perusing copies of deeds from Pendleton County....time frame of 1780-1820. The intent was to compare signatures from deeds written in other counties. Well...the deeds in Pendleton County that I have are signed "by the same hand" that wrote the deed. If there are three signatures, all are "by the same hand." Has anyone else encountered this problem? From counties other than Pendleton? My question: Is it possible these deeds were transcribed by hand from earlier records? And if so, where are the earlier records? Thanks, Vivian

At 09:04 AM 08/25/2002 EDT, you wrote: >Have been perusing copies of deeds from Pendleton County....time frame of >1780-1820. The intent was to compare signatures from deeds written in other >counties. Well...the deeds in Pendleton County that I have are signed "by the >same hand" that wrote the deed. If there are three signatures, all are "by >the same hand." Has anyone else encountered this problem? From counties other >than Pendleton? > >My question: Is it possible these deeds were transcribed by hand from earlier >records? And if so, where are the earlier records? The recorded deed better be all in one hand-writing, because if it isn't, then there've been (possibly illegal) changes made. The owner of the deed kept his original with the signatures; the county clerk simply "recorded" it by hand-copying it. Cheryl *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Cheryl Singhal ([email protected]) http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/blyton/772/ (Bottony Cross DAR) http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

Deeds were brought to clerk who hand-copied them from the original into the deed books. The originals were then returned to the buyer OR were left to be thrown out at a later date, or stored in the basement to rot. This was same for wills and court papers. It was not until the mid part of the 20th century- and even later for some clerks- that original documents were microfilmed so if you had a handwritten will, what you see in the book is the handwriting of the maker of the will. Of course, by this time period, very few wills or deeds were written by hand. Mike Foreman ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: [WVHAMPSH-L] Early deeds question > Have been perusing copies of deeds from Pendleton County....time frame of > 1780-1820. The intent was to compare signatures from deeds written in other > counties. Well...the deeds in Pendleton County that I have are signed "by the > same hand" that wrote the deed. If there are three signatures, all are "by > the same hand." Has anyone else encountered this problem? From counties other > than Pendleton? > > My question: Is it possible these deeds were transcribed by hand from earlier > records? And if so, where are the earlier records? > > Thanks, > Vivian > >

Have been perusing copies of deeds from Pendleton County....time frame of 1780-1820. The intent was to compare signatures from deeds written in other counties. Well...the deeds in Pendleton County that I have are signed "by the same hand" that wrote the deed. If there are three signatures, all are "by the same hand." Has anyone else encountered this problem? From counties other than Pendleton? My question: Is it possible these deeds were transcribed by hand from earlier records? And if so, where are the earlier records? Thanks, Vivian

Fwd: ----- Original Message ----- From: Norma Lewis To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: [KeinadtFamily] German Names Mr. William J. Buck, of the Historical Society of Pennsylvania, kindly prepared for us the following list of changes in the names of German families in this county: Swope from Schwab Bartholomew from Barteleme Miller from Muller Fox from Fuchs Smith from Schmidt Meyers from Meyer or Moyer Shank from Schenck Kindy from Kindigh Overholt from Oberholtzer Shoemaker from Schmuacher Cassel from Kassel Everhart from Eberhardt Black and Swartz from Schwartz Wolf from Wolff Calf from Kolb Keyser from Keiser Snyder from Schneider Knight from Knecht Shearer from Scherer Overpeck from Oberbeck Wise from Weiss Buck from Bock Weaver from Weber Stoneback from Steinbach Harwick from Harwich Amey from Emig or Emich Fisher from Fischer Root from Ruth Funk from Funck Rodrock from Rothrock Brown from Braun Fraley from Froehlich Deal from Diehl High from Hoch More or Moore from Mohr Beans from Beihn Strawsnyder from Strohschneider King from Konig Young from Jung Stover from Stauffer Steeley or Staley from Stahle Frankenfield from Franckenfeldt Fulmer from Folmer Bishop from Bischoff Arnold from Arnoldt Heck from Hecht Emery from Emrich Umstead from Umstadt Nonamaker from Nonnemacher Gruver from Gruber Kline from Klein Hinkle from Hinckle Vanfossen from Vanfussen Godshalk from Gotschalk Singmaster from Singmeister Allem from Ahlum Mickley from Michele Heaney from Heinich Applebach from Afflerbach Leidy from Leidigh Clymer, or Clemmer from Klemmer Lock from Loch [Taylor from Schneider*] Wireback from Wierbach [Weierbach*]

Re your question or the meaning of Genera, it could be CSA General Hospital if they were using that term in those days.

I think probably the ";"is a typo for "l" and the entry should read "at CSA General Hospital, Staunton (pneumonia)." Good luck! Martha Grenzeback [email protected] At 07:37 AM 22-08-2002 -0400, [email protected] wrote: >When visiting Hampshire County Library I made a few copies from Civil War >Soldiers from Hampshire County, WV complied by Susan R. Crites. This was one >of the pages I copied and my question to those who are knowledgeable on the >Civil War is the reference to Genera, where/what is this? In what County? >Also, is there somewhere I can do further research, CD, book, etc.? If he >died in Staunton, would he possibly be buried there also? I have been to the >memorial in Indian Mound Cemetery, and took pictures last year. Benjamin was >brother to my gr-gr-grandfather. > >Heare, Benjamin: Served in Captain John H. Piles "Grassy Lick" militia >company and transferred to Co K, 23rd Virginia Cavalry, CSA; Enl PVT >09/02/1862 Co K, 18th Virginia Cavalry, CSA, in Hampshire County; DOI >12/30/1863 at CSA Genera; Hospital, Staunton (pneumonia); Listed on the >United Daughters of the Confederacy "of Old Hampshire" memorial to >Confederate soldiers who died "in defense of Southern Rights at Indian Mound >Cemetery, Romney, Hampshire County. (See History of Hampshire County (Maxwell >& Swisher) pg 588-589. Appears on 1966 list of Confederate soldiers from >Hampshire County compiled by Susan B. Arnold, former President, Hampshire >County, United Daughters of the Confederacy.) > >Thank you, Kathy Heare Watts

When visiting Hampshire County Library I made a few copies from Civil War Soldiers from Hampshire County, WV complied by Susan R. Crites. This was one of the pages I copied and my question to those who are knowledgeable on the Civil War is the reference to Genera, where/what is this? In what County? Also, is there somewhere I can do further research, CD, book, etc.? If he died in Staunton, would he possibly be buried there also? I have been to the memorial in Indian Mound Cemetery, and took pictures last year. Benjamin was brother to my gr-gr-grandfather. Heare, Benjamin: Served in Captain John H. Piles "Grassy Lick" militia company and transferred to Co K, 23rd Virginia Cavalry, CSA; Enl PVT 09/02/1862 Co K, 18th Virginia Cavalry, CSA, in Hampshire County; DOI 12/30/1863 at CSA Genera; Hospital, Staunton (pneumonia); Listed on the United Daughters of the Confederacy "of Old Hampshire" memorial to Confederate soldiers who died "in defense of Southern Rights at Indian Mound Cemetery, Romney, Hampshire County. (See History of Hampshire County (Maxwell & Swisher) pg 588-589. Appears on 1966 list of Confederate soldiers from Hampshire County compiled by Susan B. Arnold, former President, Hampshire County, United Daughters of the Confederacy.) Thank you, Kathy Heare Watts

Wait a minute........just caught that Michael is listed born in MD for 1860, whereas it was VA for 1850. Maybe a clue. Thanks again, Sue singhals wrote: > > 1850 Hampshire Co. Census: > > Fogle Michael 50 M Laborer VA 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle Martha 50 F PA 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle Elizabeth 17 F OH 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle Eliza 11 F MD 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle William 7 M VA 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle Amanda 5 F VA 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle Henry 9 M VA 762 762 Sep 5 > > [NOTE: Henry's placement at the END of the list suggests he's > a brother or nephew, not a son.] > > 1860 Hampshire Co. Census: > > Fogle Michael 59 m w farmer Md $100PP 283.23 > Martha 40 f w Pa > William 16 m w VA > Amanda 14 f w VA > Jane 9 f w VA > Jacob 6 m w VA > > South Branch Intelligencer Vol. 2 > > Fogle 39 46 [1882 entries] > > HAMPSHIRE REVIEW 1884-1906 > > Fogel OC 1896 > See also Vogel > Vogel OC 1903 > > The Virginia Regimental for the 7th Va. CAV, CSA, lists 4 Fogal/Fogle men, > none appear to any of the above. No Vogels. > > Dr. Kerns' Historic Records lists none (index on-line via the Morgan County > GenWeb). > > The name does not appear in "Historic Hampshire". > SBI Vol 1 contained no entry for the name. > SBI Vol 3 contained no entry for the name. > The name is not in VIcki Horton's SBI extracts from the 1830s. > The name was not in the 1870 Hampshire Census. > > *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* > Cheryl Singhal ([email protected]) > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ > http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/blyton/772/ (Bottony Cross DAR) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ > http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

Thanks Cheryl, I do appreciate you checking the [below] information. Take Care, Sue singhals wrote: > > 1850 Hampshire Co. Census: > > Fogle Michael 50 M Laborer VA 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle Martha 50 F PA 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle Elizabeth 17 F OH 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle Eliza 11 F MD 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle William 7 M VA 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle Amanda 5 F VA 762 762 Sep 5 > Fogle Henry 9 M VA 762 762 Sep 5 > > [NOTE: Henry's placement at the END of the list suggests he's > a brother or nephew, not a son.] > > 1860 Hampshire Co. Census: > > Fogle Michael 59 m w farmer Md $100PP 283.23 > Martha 40 f w Pa > William 16 m w VA > Amanda 14 f w VA > Jane 9 f w VA > Jacob 6 m w VA > > South Branch Intelligencer Vol. 2 > > Fogle 39 46 [1882 entries] > > HAMPSHIRE REVIEW 1884-1906 > > Fogel OC 1896 > See also Vogel > Vogel OC 1903 > > The Virginia Regimental for the 7th Va. CAV, CSA, lists 4 Fogal/Fogle men, > none appear to any of the above. No Vogels. > > Dr. Kerns' Historic Records lists none (index on-line via the Morgan County > GenWeb). > > The name does not appear in "Historic Hampshire". > SBI Vol 1 contained no entry for the name. > SBI Vol 3 contained no entry for the name. > The name is not in VIcki Horton's SBI extracts from the 1830s. > The name was not in the 1870 Hampshire Census. > > *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* > Cheryl Singhal ([email protected]) > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ > http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/blyton/772/ (Bottony Cross DAR) > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ > http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

1850 Hampshire Co. Census: Fogle Michael 50 M Laborer VA 762 762 Sep 5 Fogle Martha 50 F PA 762 762 Sep 5 Fogle Elizabeth 17 F OH 762 762 Sep 5 Fogle Eliza 11 F MD 762 762 Sep 5 Fogle William 7 M VA 762 762 Sep 5 Fogle Amanda 5 F VA 762 762 Sep 5 Fogle Henry 9 M VA 762 762 Sep 5 [NOTE: Henry's placement at the END of the list suggests he's a brother or nephew, not a son.] 1860 Hampshire Co. Census: Fogle Michael 59 m w farmer Md $100PP 283.23 Martha 40 f w Pa William 16 m w VA Amanda 14 f w VA Jane 9 f w VA Jacob 6 m w VA South Branch Intelligencer Vol. 2 Fogle 39 46 [1882 entries] HAMPSHIRE REVIEW 1884-1906 Fogel OC 1896 See also Vogel Vogel OC 1903 The Virginia Regimental for the 7th Va. CAV, CSA, lists 4 Fogal/Fogle men, none appear to any of the above. No Vogels. Dr. Kerns' Historic Records lists none (index on-line via the Morgan County GenWeb). The name does not appear in "Historic Hampshire". SBI Vol 1 contained no entry for the name. SBI Vol 3 contained no entry for the name. The name is not in VIcki Horton's SBI extracts from the 1830s. The name was not in the 1870 Hampshire Census. *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Cheryl Singhal ([email protected]) http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/blyton/772/ (Bottony Cross DAR) http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

Could someone check for a death record for Amos Cloud and wife Ann (McFillan). 1900 Hampshire Co., WV census has them as follows: Bloomery District, ED 25, page 3a Cloud, Amos, Head, b. Jan 1828, 72 years old, married 45 years, born in VA, as were both his parents; farmer Cloud, Annie, b. Jan. 1826, age 74, married 45 years, 13 children (8 still living), born in VA; both parents born in WV. Ida L., daughter, b. May 1865, age 35, single, b. in WV. Sarah, daughter, b. Sept. 1870, age 29, single, b. in WV. Charles L., son, b. Sept. 1875, age 24, single, b. in WV, farmer. Amos' father may have been William Cloud b.1795 Thank you