Hi Karen, Well, I see that I have confused you. I do not think that there are two George W. Thomas's. I did several messages about the Thomas family. And it was all like a lineage. So, while I listed George W. on a couple pages, I think you will see, that on one he was listed as a child. On the other, he was listed as a husband, with his family. I have an 1850 Virginia CD [Broderbund] #309. It lists a David Thomas in Fayette Co. He is age 83 and a farmer. His wife is "Jane" age 76. A Mary age 36. This sounds like it could be The father of David Anderson Thomas. The Greenbrier Co. book indicates that this David is assumed to have married an Elizabeth. However; based upon what we know of subsequent generations, is it possible that this "Jane" was really Elizabeth Jane, who went by the name of "Jane". In the information that I have for this David Thomas, I do not see a dau. Mary. It is possible that the contributer of the information for the family did not have all the children's names. I do see that David's son Solomon married a "Mary". Could he have died prior to 1850 and his wife be living with the Father in law? Guess the 1850 census does not show relationships. I do not have enough information on this family to figure out if the ages of Solomon or Mary, might be in the ball park of the ones found in the census. I also see another family of Thomas listed in the 1850 Fayette Co. Census. Could these have anything to do with the David Thomas line? John? age 49 Nancy age 47 Jas D. age 16 [Joseph?] Nathan? age 13 Caroline? age 12 Mary L. age 10 We find an Elizabeth Thomas in Augusta Co. 1850 Census. She is living with Isacc? White. He is 46 years old. His wife, Mary C. is 36 years old. This Elizabeth Thomas is age 56 in this Census. Could Elizabeth be Mary C.'s mother? Have no idea if it connects to anything with the David Thomas Line. Hopefully those who are actively researching Thomas can find use for this information. I do have some Thomas people in my files, but have not really researched them. There are other children and people living in the household. There are no Elizabeth Thomas's listed in Greenbrier Co. itself. The Greenbrier Book lists Elizabeth Jane Thomas b. 1842 and also Elizabeth Woodson Thomas b. 1850] as children of David Anderson Thomas. I am assuming that we would be looking for a Jane for the other Elizabeth, unless she died early or something. I am just making guesses here, based upon your question about two Elizabeths. I show this mysterious Lizzie in my files. Wonder if she could be an Elizabeth who connects to David's family? Livesay family is one of my more thorough studies and connections. Anyone know this Lizzie? I am sure Lizzie must be an aka for Elizabeth. Descendants of Lizzie Thomas 1 Lizzie Thomas b: WFT Est. 1862-1882 d: WFT Est. 1887-1966 .. +George Fountain Livesay b: August 26, 1866 d: WFT Est. 1887-1956 . 2 Margaret Livesay b: Private ..... +Claude Lewis b: Private . 2 Marie Livesay b: Private ..... +Victor Booth b: Private Here is another Thomas Line in my files. Any connections? Descendants of Thomas B. Thomas 1 Thomas B. Thomas b: Abt. 1868 in Virginia d: Bet. 1910 - 1920 .. +Arminta Jane Legg b: March 31, 1874 in Roane County, West Virginia d: July 25, 1947 . 2 Ruby Elizabeth Thomas b: Abt. 1906 in Clay County, West Virginia ..... +Fleming O. Butcher b: Abt. 1893 . 2 George R. Thomas b: Abt. 1909 in Clay County, West Virginia ..... +Mildred Hissom . 2 Clyde Thomas b: Abt. 1911 in Clay County, West Virginia Now here is an interesting one, Karen. See if you agree that this might be David Anderson's family. The dates are a little different than the ones in the Greenbrier Heritage 1997 Book, but I have found some other discrepancies in the book, so am not really upset by the dates. This is an Anderson Thomas found in 1850 Greenbrier Co. Census. He is listed in the Census as being 30 years old. The Greenbrier Book says he was b. in 1817, which would have made him 33 years old in 1850. This Anderson Thomas in the Census is married to an Amanda age 30. The Greenbrier book does not list an age for the Amanda that David Anderson Thomas married. Children listed in the Census are similar, though not complete of the list found in the Greenbrier Book. The Census lists these children: James W. age 11 Elizabeth J. age 9 a male age 7 Richard age 5 Elijah age 1 month. The Greenbrier Book lists these children: George W. James W. Elizabeth Jane David Richard Elizabeth Woodson Lavinia A. Elijah W. Here is another, We have a Solomon married to Mary, in 1850 Greenbrier Census. Solomon is 46?? Mary age 40 Joseph age 23 Thomas Thomas age 21 Sarah age 20 Rachel age 19 Julian age 17 Catherine age 14 Margaret age 11 female age 5 Male age 5 Ellen age 3 The twins ? names are unreadable. There was a Solomon who married a Mary, who is said to be brother of David Anderson Thomas according to the Greenbrier Book. I am afraid that the dates are wrong for this to be the same one. But who knows? We have a Margaret Thomas in Greenbrier 1850 Census age 22 Husband is John Thomas age 25 Children: female 3 years Edward? 1 year Names are unreadable. The three families listed above, are the only Thomas families listed on the cd, for census 1850 in Greenbrier Co, itself. Thank you for reminding me about checking the census. If anyone thinks of another direction I should check, let me know. I do have quite a few resources available to research VA/WVA especially. As always, I am always glad for additional input or correction. We are only as good as our resources! You asked about an 1860 Census. Perhaps someone else online has that information. Joyce in Ca. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and many more, too numerous to post.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 1999 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WVGREENB-L] Thomas/Vance > Joyce: > > Just got your last message. Not quite sure about the two George W's. > > Do you know of anyone that has access to the 1860 Greenbrier Census. That > might help me out? > > Also, I wonder who Elizabeth Woodson was? Do you think there would be both an > Elizabeth Jane and and Elizabeth Woodson as children? > > Still many questions to be answered. I makes me cuckoo sometimes. > > Karen >