Daniel J. EARLY (s/o Samuel EARLY and Rebecca CAMPBELL) b. 1819 in Monroe County; d. after 1886 in Monroe County; m. (1) Elizabeth NICKELL (d/o Ann CURRY and John NICKELL IV) in 1842 in Monroe County; m. (2) Mary MILLER (d/o John MILLER and Docia) 7 Jun 1854 in Monroe. Samuel EARLY (s/o Daniel EARLY and Elizabeth ALLISON) b. 1782 in AUGUSTA County, VA; d. between 1860 and 1870 in Monroe County; m. Elizabeth CAMPBELL (d/o Alexander CAMPBELL) on 12 July 1804 in Augusta. Elizabeth d. in Monroe before 1850. Daniel EARLY (parents unknown) b. circa 1750; d. after 3 Mar 1813 in Augusta, Greenbrier or Monroe; m. Elizabeth ALLISON (d/o William ALLISON) circa 1775. Daniel fought on the PA line during the Revolutionary War, Cumberland County, 1st Battalion, 8th Company, Capt. James Young. Thanks for any and all help!! I searching for a documented link showing Samuel as the son of Daniel. Maggie Phillips

Hi Susan, How are you? I think what I was referring to, is information, that I believe you told me, that Robert Renick may have been married to someone else. I have a copy of that message from you, if you need a reminder of your thinking about the "inbreeding" of marrying a cousin etc. There is also the puzzle, that I believe the Nancy Renick who married John Frazier Vincent, did not appear in the Renick Book, I think, as a dau. of Robert Renick and Letitia Dalton's. There are however other references to this Nancy, including the grandchildren listed in Robert's will, who are the ones, that previous Vincent researchers, list as being Nancy Renick and John Frazier Vincent. You indicate several sources for the possibility that Robert had another wife, including the fact that Mary Molly might not have been the dau. of Letitia Dalton. Have you come up with any new information about this situation? I have heard from a couple others who are interested in this puzzle, so perhaps someone may have come up with some new information about all the mysteries connected with this family. Several are interested in McCoy information. Do you have parents of John or any lineage on him? I list a Lewis as father of John, at this time. Any information about that? Thanks for your help. Joyce in Ca. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and many more, too numerous to post.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gervasi <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [RENICK-L] Re: John McCoy and Letitia Dalton > Joyce - As a Renick descendant, I for one would love to hear the story about > Letitia's mother's relationship with her husband. Please share! > Susan >

Thought this would interest alot of you. Joyce in Ca. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and many more, too numerous to post.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 5:52 AM Subject: [LEGG-L] Virginia Marriage Index, 1740-1850 > FREE for ten days > _____________ > Virginia Marriage Index, 1740-1850 > > Throughout the 18th and well into the 19th Century, Virginia was > one of the most populous states in the Union, being home to as > many as 1.2 million persons at any one time. This collection of > marriage records includes the names of over 300,000 men and women > married in the state between 1740 and 1850. In addition to > providing the names of bride and groom, researchers will find > the date of marriage and county in which the ceremony was > performed. For those seeking married ancestors from Virginia, > this database can be a valuable source of information. > > Bibliography: Dodd, Jordan R, et. al. "Early American Marriages: > Virginia." Bountiful, UT: Precision Indexing Publishers, 19xx. > > To search this database, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3723.htm >

Hi, Carol sent this to me, I am forwarding it to the lists, in case anyone is interested. See below. Joyce in Ca. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and many more, too numerous to post.... ----- Original Message ----- From: carol ann berry <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 1999 3:36 PM Subject: [email protected]: livesay > Joyce, > if i already sent this -just delete..same website,i either typed in > Livesay or Caraway..should come up no matter what you use > carol > > > > --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: livesay > Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:40:16 EDT > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > JESSE J. LIVESAY - was a son of John and Mary (CAMPBELL) LIVESAY, both > natives of > Greenbrier County, and the family record is: John LIVESAY, born August > 25, > 1775, > married Mary CAMPBELL, born May 15, 1777. They were married September 1, > 1795, > and their children were born: Sarah, July 20, 1796, died about 1850; > James, > April 3, 1798, died in Ohio: Thomas, March 20, 1800 died in Ohio; Nancy, > March > 28, 1802; John, May 3, 1804, died in November, 1882; Betsy, August 21, > 1806, > lives > in Ohio; Jesse, subject of this sketch, November 28, 1808, a farmer and > grazier > of Fort Spring District; Campbell, October 17, 1811; died in the West, > July > 1841; > William, April 26, 1814, died in Ohio, March 15, 1850; Joseph, June 2, > 1817, > died > in this county, April 22, 1841, Charles R., March 26, 1820, died in > California. > John, father of these children, died September 3, 1840, and his widow > died > September > 3, 1849. Jesse LIVESAY married, near Lewisburg, Eveline C. TUCKWILLER, > who > was born > near Lewisburg, October 28, 1819, a daughter of David and Sallie (LINSON) > > TUCKWILLER, > both natives of Greenbrier County, and now many years deceased. The > record of > the > children of Jesse J. and Evaline C.(TUCKWILLER) LIVESAY is: Sarah F. > (CARAWAY), > born February 26. 1835, lives on Muddy Creek, this county; Samuel A., > August > 9. > 1837, died October 4, 1879; Mary M., August 13, 1839, died August 1, > 1858; > Eliza > T., September 13, 1841, lives at home; David T., September 24, 1843, > lives in > this > county; Charles W., September 2, 1846, lives at home; Catharine L., March > 18, > 1849, lives in this county; Alfred E. W., June 8, 1851, lives at home; > Elizabeth > M. T., September 20, 1853, lives at Ronceverte; Nonnie C., June 9, 1856, > died > April 30, 1881; Martha H., September 17, 1858, died September 1, 1861; > Annie > R. > M. (ERVIN), June 13, 1861, lives in this county; Jesse E., February 15, > 1863, > lives at home. The family postoffice address is Ronceverte, Greenbrier > County, > West Virginia. > Source: Hardesty, Henry H. Hardesty's Historical and Geographical > Encyclopedia. New York: H.H. Hardesty and Company, 1884. > Rpt. in West Virginia Heritage Encyclopedia. Ed. Jim Comstock. > Richwood: Comstock, 1974.Transcribed and submitted by Valerie Crook, , > 1998. > ********************************************************************** * > JOHN LIVESAY - was a son of George LIVESAY, who was born of English > parents, > in Rockingham County, Virginia, December 14, 1780, came to this county in > his youth and here married Mary SWITZER, born near Mill Point, Pocahontas > County, August 3, 1786. Their son John was born in Greenbrier County, on > Spring Creek, April 3, 1807, and has always made his home in this county. > George LIVESAY died at Richlands, this county, March 21, 1865, and his > wife > died at Richlands, February 26, 1857. The wife of John LIVESAY is > Margaret, > daughter of Jesse and Margaret (HAPTONSTALL) BRIGHT. She was born near > Frankford, February 22, 1821, her father was born in Carlyle County, > Pennsylvania, November 13, 1779, and her mother in this county, on > Greenbrier River, March 22, 1789. Her father came to this county in his > boyhood, and he died here, March 17, 1857; her mother died November 27, > 1867. The marriage of John and Margaret (BRIGHT) LIVESAY was solemnized > near Frankford, September 3, 1840, and their children were born: Mary > Margaret, September 23, 1841; Elizabeth Virginia, June 20, 1843; Louisa > Ann, July 6, 1845; George Allen, July 6, 1849; Sabina, November 9, > 1852; > Belinda Cornelia, September 17, 1854; Jesse Bright, January 4, 1857; > John > B., January 23, 1858; Helen Eudora, October 4, 1861, died September 9, > 1863; Lillian Eudora, October 4, 1863; James Walter, January 10, 1868. > Mary M. lives in Hillsborough, Pocahontas County, Sabina in Gallipolis, > Gallia County, Ohio, and the others at home. Mary M. is married to Rev. > David S. SYDENSTRICKER, Sabina is the wife of John S. ROGERS, and Belinda > C. is the wife of Henry WALLACE. John LIVESAY lives near Frankford on a > fine farm of 400 acres, and has been all his life a successful farmer. > He was opposed to the war of the States, and took no part in it. > Frankford, > Greenbrier County, West Virginia is his post office address. > Source: Hardesty, Henry H. Hardesty's Historical and Geographical > Encyclopedia. New York: H.H. Hardesty and Company, 1884. > Rpt. in West Virginia Heritage Encyclopedia. Ed. Jim Comstock. > Richwood: Comstock, 1974.Transcribed and submitted by Ed Johnson, , 1998. > ********************************************************************** ****** > GEORGE WASHINGTON LIVESAY - born near Frankford, Greenbrier County, > January > 11, 1843, was the son of Joseph and Rachel (BRIGHT) LIVESAY, natives of > this > county. He volunteered for service in the Confederate army, joining > Company > E, 60th Virginia Infantry, June 1, 1961, and he fought in all the battles > in > which that regiment was engaged until the closing year of the war, > receiving discharge in April 1, 1865. In Pocahontas County, West > Virginia, > September 29, 1874, he was united in marriage with Margaret E. BEARD, who > was born on Locust Creek, Pocahontas County, April 15, 1847. Josiah > BEARD, > now deceased, and Rachel (POAGE) BEARD were her parents. Mr. LIVESAY > accepted the issues of the war, and returned home to the pursuits of > agriculture. He is a successful farmer and large stock grower, owning > 1,000 > acres of grazing land, near Falling Spring. The address of George W. > LIVESAY, Falling Spring, Greenbrier County, West Virginia. > Source: Hardesty, Henry H. Hardesty's Historical and Geographical > Encyclopedia. New York: H.H. Hardesty and Company, 1884. > Rpt. in West Virginia Heritage Encyclopedia. Ed. Jim Comstock. > Richwood: Comstock, 1974.Transcribed and submitted by Ed Johnson, , 1998. > ********************************************************************** ****** > WILLIAM R. LIVESAY - owns a farm in Lewisburg District of 1,500 acres of > Blue > Grass land, well watered and stocked. He is also the owner of LIVESAY > Mill, > on the Lewisburg and Williamsburg pike. His birth was in Falling Spring > District, > this county, January 6, 1817, and all his life has been passed here. He > has > been one year president of the board of supervisors and two years justice > of > the peace. May 5, 1855, in this county he married Ann Elizabeth > PATTERSON, > and they had two sons: George, born May 5, 1857, died January 7, 1858; > William Crawford, born July 12, 1860, lives at home, engaged in farming. > > Ann E., wife of Mr. LIVESAY, was born in Augusta County, Virginia, came > to > Greenbrier County about the age of twelve years, and died on her > husband's > farm July 19, 1862. She was a daughter of John and Jane (CRAWFORD) > PATTERSON, > and her parents, natives of Augusta County, are deceased. Her father > died in > Augusta County, and her mother in Charlottesville, Virginia. September > 8, > 1864, William R. LIVESAY married Elizabeth Groves HERN, who was born in > Augusta > County, Virginia, May 28, 1829. She was a daughter of Joseph and Barbara > > (STRICKLER) HERN, who came to Greenbrier County when she was a girl, and > died in this county, her father on the 7th of July, 1869, and her mother > on the 20th of March, 1873. Joseph HERN was born in Shenandoah County, > Virginia, in 1787, and Barbara, his wife, was born in Rockingham County, > Virginia, October 7, 1797. William R. LIVESAY, who was born near Blue > Sulphur, > this county, December 14, 1780, and in Pocahontas County married Mary > SWITZER, > who was born on Little Levels, Pocahontas County, August 3, 1786. They > resided > in Greenbrier County until death, and both died on the farm now owned by > William R. > George LIVESAY died March 21, 1865, and his wife died February 26, 1857. > > The brothers and sisters of William R. LIVESAY were Thomas, John, > Rebecca, > Andrew, Joseph, Elizabeth, Allen, Melinda Mary, Washington, Lucinda, and > Harvey. William R. LIVESAY's postoffice address is Richlands, Greenbrier > County, West Virginia. > Source: Hardesty, Henry H. Hardesty's Historical and Geographical > Encyclopedia. New York: H.H. Hardesty and Company, 1884. > Rpt. in West Virginia Heritage Encyclopedia. Ed. Jim Comstock. > Richwood: Comstock, 1974.Transcribed and submitted by Valerie Crook, , > 1998. > ********************************************************************** ****** > --------- End forwarded message ---------- >

Hello Karen and List, I received this query from Karen. Perhaps some of you can answer her questions about the McCoys. I am sending this to the McClung list and the Renick list, incase there are McCoy researchers there. My husband relates to this line, through the Dalton lineage, which goes back to Robert Renick. Different research sources have said that Robert's daughter, Nancy Renick, married John Frazier Vincent, who is related to my husband's Vincent lines. I would be interested in any information which anyone can come up with regarding this line. I have Mary Jane McCoy listed as Mary McCoy born 1828, and also have the other children, if that is helpful to anyone. Also have an interesting Dalton story concerning the relationship of Letitia's Mother Molly to her husband. If anyone has not heard it and is interested, I would be glad to share the mysteries. Still interested in knowing if these Daltons had any relationship to the "Dalton Gang". Many mysteries connected with this family. I have checked the Greenbrier Heritage 1997 book, and there are alot of pages concerned with McCoy. There are no Daltons in the index. I did not see anything which relate to Lewis McCoy, or John or anyone mentioned. Would enjoy some dates for John McCoy who married Letitia Dalton, as well as a wife for Lewis if you have it. You and my husband must be related, Karen, assuming that the information is correct about Nancy Renick. There is some question that Robert Renick, Letitia Wells Dalton's husband may have been married an additional time and that is why Nancy does not appear in the Renick Book, as his child. A book on Greenbrier Homes, specifies that Nancy was the child of Robert Renick and Letitia Dalton. Happy to share what I have, if you are interested in the Renick Dalton info. Have not gotten to research the McCoys much. Course I may have info around here, which has not been input. I will keep looking. Take care and happy hunting. Joyce in Ca. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and many more, too numerous to post.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Stahl <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 2:07 PM Subject: John McCoy and Letitia Dalton > Joyce: > > I found your mail on John McCoy and Letitia Dalton on the Greenbrier > Mail. I am descended from them by their oldest daughter, Mary Jane > McCoy who married Gideon Rader in Lafayette Co. MO. I know that John > McCoy is the son of Lewis McCoy born 1776 in Virginia. I do not know > which McCoy family Lewis is related to. > > Do you have any information of this family? Thank you, > > Karen Stahl > Kenmore, WA >

Recently I have seen several messages on Carte on this list. I am not connected to Carte, but found the following in the LOG, Vol 16 #1, newsletter of the WV Genealogical Society, Elkview, WV. Carol CARTE - OSBORNE CEMETERY Cart, David Dickson Oct. 22, 1856 - Sept. 11, 1928 h/o Margaret F. Cart 2nd Marriage Cynthia Canterbury s/o Richard David Cart & Maraha Osborne Cart, Mahala Osborne March 10, 1829 - Jan. 11, 1889 w/o Richard David Cart d/o George Washington Osborne & Susanna Fleshman Cart, Richard David Aug. 11, 1821 - March 26, 1893 Co. H 4th WVa Inf. h/o Maraha Osborne Cart s/o Conrad James Cart & Mary Ann Vance Carte, Avis Vivian Aug. 19, 1920 - June 28, 1934 d/o Henry Richard Carte & Dora Elizaeth Cantley Carte, Dora Elizabeth May 24, 1888 - Dec. 13, 1974 w/o Henry Richard Carte d/o Alan Cantley & Mary Myers Carte, Darrell Dewayne March 26, 1927 - Nov. 22, 1956 WVa PVT USMCR WW II h/o "Sissy" Fields s/o Okey Gerald Carte & Ada Ann Smith Carte, Ernie Priscilla April 28, 1905 - July 1, 1907 d/o George Washington Carte & Sophia Taylor Carte, George Washington "Bub" J Jan. 28, 1880 - March 3, 1957 h/o Sophia Taylor s/o David Dickson Carte & Cynthia Canterbury Carte, Henry Richard Sept. 9, 1884 - Sept. 6, 1945 h/o Dora Elizabeth Cantley s/o David Dickson Carte & Cynthia Canterbury Carte, Herbert Stanford "Dick" June 3, 1929 - March 18, 1990 h/o Wanda Chapman s/o Okey Gerald Carte & Ada Ann Smith Carte, Lee Willard Aug. 19, 1918 - Sept. 26, 1965 Died in Montana WVA PFC 336 AAA SLT CAV WW II 1st Wife Viola Newhouse 2nd marriage in Montana ? s/o Henry Richard Carte & Dora Elizabeth Cantley Carte, Margaret Fogarty July 12, 1860 - Sept. 29, 1930 w/o David Dickson Carte d/o Bartholomew Fogarty & Melinda Sigmon Carte, Sophia Russell Feb. 22, 1885 - Dec. 27, 1943 w/o George Washington Carte d/o. James Oscar Taylor & Mary Ann Sampson Carte, Richard David Headstone lists R.F.D. Stillborn s/o David Dickson Carte & Margaret Fogarty Jennings, Anna Faye b-d April 4, 1951 d/o Conward Gail Jennings & Lula Lee Walley Jennings, Conward Gail March 2, 1922 - Oct. 18, 1864 h/o Lula Lee Walley Jennings, Jannette Carrol b-d Dec. 22, 1949 d/o Conward Gail Jennings & Lula Lee Walley Jennings, Randy Conn b-d Dec. 17, 1952 Born premature lived 6 hrs. s/o Conward Gail Jennings & Lula Lee Walley Larch, Asa Alonzo 1892 - 1962 h/o Ivy Myrtle Thomas Larch, Dewey Mark Feb. 23, 1921 - March 24, 1925 s/o Asa Alonzo Larch & Ivy Myrtle Thomas Larch, Eula Gay Aug. 23, 1931 - Oct. 11, 1935 d/o Asa Alonzo & Ivy Myrtle Thomas Larch, Ivy Myrtle July 1895 - Feb. 4, 1988 w/o Asa Alonzo Larch Osborne, Bridget "Biddy" M. Sept. 6, 1895 - Dec. 1, 1919 1st w/o Judge Monroe Osborne d/o David Dickson Carte & Margaret Fogarty Osborne, Billy E. April 5, 1925 - Feb. 3, 1999 s/o Judge Monroe Osborne & Maude Melinda Carte Osborneg Buddy Allen Aug. 11, 1976 - Aug. 18, 1976 s/o Charles Osborne & Joyce Kelly Osborne, Gregory Dale b-d 1964 s/o Monroe D. Osborne & Mary Jennings Osborne, Judge Monroe May 27, 1893 - 1986 1st h/o Bridget "Biddy" M. Osborne 2nd marriage Maude Melinda Carte s/o Edward A. Osborne & Sarah J. Crowder Osborne, Maude Melinda Dec. 16, 1892 - Nov. 21, 1975 2nd w/o Judge Monroe Osborne d/o David Dickson Carte & Margaret Fogarty Shafer, Henderson 1834 - 1902 1st h/o Aliciana Blackshire 2nd marriage Melisa Edna Shaffer s/o John Shaver & Mary Parsons PVC Co. B 7 WVa CAV Walls, Roger 1956 - 1956 s/o James Walls & Eva Larch Rock marker for Bill Ferrell - located behind the Jennings children graves. h/o Elizabeth Smith Shafer - s/o Marian Ferrell and ___ Carte. Rock marker for Charlotte Walls d/o James Walls & Eva Larch Located above brother Roger Walls grave. 1 Slave grave outside back fence of the cemetery, marked with a rock. He worked on the John Carte farm. 1 Grave marked with a rock. LOCATION: Exit 9 off 1-79 Elkview to 4 way stop sign turn right on Wills Creek Road 3.5 miles on right up hill. LISTED Feb. 8, 1999 - By Marietta J. Moles, Sue Melton Vickers and Carlos Shafer

Hi Folks, I've just added the biography of Frank Nixon MANN to <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgreenb/bios/bios-b.htm> along with his photo and signature. Happy Hunting! Valerie

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The History of West Virginia, Old and New Published 1923, The American Historical Society, Inc., Chicago and New York, Volume III pg. 170-171 FRANK NIXON MANN. In that growing list of industries that distinguish Huntington among the busy cities of the state, one of the important ones, due to volume of the busi- ness and wide distribution of products, is the Huntington Sash, Door & Trim Company, of which Frank Nixon Mann is president and general manager. Mr. Mann has been a lumber manufacturer and planing mill operator for many years, and came to Huntington from the eastern part of the state. He was born in Greenbrier County, July 19, 1861. Back in Colonial times three brothers left Scotland and came to America, one locating in Pennsylvania, another in Mary- land, while the direct ancestor of the Huntington manufac- turer established his home in Gloucester County, Virginia, where he intermarried with the Page family. The grand- father of Frank Nixon Mann was Billie Thomas Mann, who was born in Bath County, Virginia, in 1784, was reared there, was married in Monroe County, West Virginia, and was one of the early farmers established in the Fort Spring neighborhood. At one time he owned a third of all the land in Fayette County. This land later turned out to be exceedingly valuable on account of its coal deposits. He died at Fort Spring in 1876. His wife was Miss Alexan- der, a native of Virginia. James Mann, their son, was born in Greenbrier County, near Fort Spring, in 1832, and when a young man he left that vicinity and spent three years as a farmer in Edgar County, Illinois. About a year after his marriage there he returned to Greenbrier County, and conducted his extensive operations as a farmer, but about 1878 moved into Alder- son, and supervised his farm from that point until his death, which occurred at Alderson, Monroe County, in Jan- uary, 1910. He was a democrat, served three terms as a magistrate, and was for many years an elder in the Pres- byterian Church. James Mann married Elizabeth Nixon, who was born at Springfield, Illinois, March 11, 1838, and is now eighty-four years of age, a resident of Alderson. Frank Nixon is the oldest of her three children. Her daughter May E. is the wife of Dr. Charles P. Nash, a re- tired physician and surgeon at Alderson. Bessie A. died at Alderson at the age of twenty-five, and her husband, Mr. Lide, is now a merchant in Birmingham, Alabama. Frank Nixon Mann acquired a rural school training in Greenbrier County, took his preparatory course in a pri- vate school in the same county, and then entered Hampden Sidney College in Prince Edward County, Virginia. He re- mained there until in his senior year, when he left, in 1884, to take up active business. For about thirty years Mr. Mann was a lumber manufacturer and farmer living at Alderson. His planing mill there burned in 1911, and in 1912 he moved to Huntington and established the Hunting- ton Sash Door and Trim Company, building the plant at Nineteenth and Second Avenue. He is principal owner and president and general manager of the company, which is the West Virginia corporation. Others associated with him in the official personnel are: J. W. Lawton, vice president, and F. L. Faust, secretary and treasurer. This is a large industry with complete machinery equipment for the man- ufacture of all planing and mill work products including stair, porch work, window frames, store fixtures, mouldings and interior trim. The output commands a large sale all over West Virginia and is shipped even to Ohio and Michi- gan points. Mr. Mann is a democrat, is an elder in the First Presby- terian Church of Huntington, and since moving to that city has acquired some interests in real estate, including his home at 1621 Fifth Avenue. In September, 1892, at Alder- son, West Virginia, he married Miss Nancy B. Murray, daughter of Rev. Patrick Murray, who married a Miss Graves. Both her parents are now deceased. Her father was a minister of the Baptist Church. Mrs. Mann is a graduate of the Woman's Western College of Hamilton, Ohio. Without children of their own, Mr. and Mrs. Mann reared two adopted children. The first, Nancy, is now the wife of Garland B. Johnson, a resident of Lynchburg, Vir- ginia, and general sales manager of the Lynchburg Pipe and Foundry Company. The second is Elsworth F., now a stu dent in the Military Academy at Augusta, Virginia.

The History of West Virginia, Old and New Published 1923, The American Historical Society, Inc., Chicago and New York, Volume II pg. 238 CHARLES ALEXANDER MARTIN, M. D. Some of the most important service rendered by the medical profession in West Virginia is that given by the physicians and surgeons who attended the cases of illness and injury among the population grouped around the mines. That has been the service of Doctor Martin practically ever since he graduated from medical college, and since 1913 his home and headquarters have been at Amherstdale in Logan County. Doctor Martin was born in Dawson, Greenbrier County, December 5, 1879, son of Obediah C. and Sallie (Lowry) Martin. Obediah C. Martin, who died in 1893, at the age of sixty-eight, was a native of Greenbrier County, son of Joseph Martin, and followed farming and the carpenter trade as his life's occupation and became very well to do. He was a democrat in politics. Doctor Mar- tin has two brothers, Joseph L., in business at Charles- ton, and William L., at Springdale. The mother of these sons died in April, 1880, at the age of thirty-five years. Doctor Martin was five months old when his mother died, and he was reared in the home of her uncle, Thomas Lowry, at Springdale. He attended public school in Fayette County, and he had to make every opportunity count to provide for his own living and secure a higher education. At the age of eighteen he became a teacher, and he taught six terms of school in Fayette County, at $35.00 per month. During 1900 he attended Marshall College at Huntington, and from 1904 to 1908 pursued his medical studies in the Uni- versity of Louisville. In 1919 he again returned to his alma mater for post graduate study. After graduating in 1908 he practiced four and a half years around the mines at Harvey and Fayette County, and then came to Amherstdale, about the time the mines were being opened in this section of Logan County. His practice as a mining physician and surgeon has associated him with the Amherst Coal Company, Proctor Coal Com- pany, Buffalo Eagle Coal Company, Madne Coal Company and Proctor Eagle Coal Company. At one time he had charge of the practice for about eleven mines. Doctor Martin in 1913 married Beulah Thrash of Roane County, West Virginia, daughter of C. C. Thrash. They have two children: Bess and Shirley. Mrs. Mar- tin is a member of the Methodist Church. Doctor Martin is affiliated with McDonald Lodge No. 103, F. and A. M., at Mount Hope, the Royal Arch Chapter of Thurmond, West Virginia Consistory No. 1 of the Scottish Rite at Wheeling, and Beni Kedem Temple, A. A. O. N. M. S. He is a member of the Logan County, West Virginia State and American Medical Associations. Doctor Martin has been a personal witness of nearly all the important phases in the development of Buffalo Valley. In 1899 he drove a wagon down the valley, long before a railroad was built or before the operation of the mines was con- sidered.

The History of West Virginia, Old and New Published 1923, The American Historical Society, Inc., Chicago and New York, Volume II pg. 143 WILLIAM P. BLACK, M. D. A physician and surgeon whose home and practice have been in Charleston for half a dozen years, Doctor Black is filling the office of county coroner of Kanawha County. A native of West Virginia, he was born in Meadow Bluff District, Greenbrier County, in 1883, son of S. T. and Laura (Bivens) Black, natives of the state and members of old families in Greenbrier County. Doctor Black's uncle, Rev. Sam Black, was one of the prominent men in his section of the state, a Methodist minister, known and revered in many localities. Doctor Black spent his early life on the farm. He had indifferent school advantages while there, and after leav- ing home at the age of eighteen he earned the money for his better education. He attended the Smoot Normal School and graduated from the Dunsmore Business College 1906, at Staunton, Virginia. He studied medicine in the College of Physicians and Surgeons at Baltimore, now the medical department of the University of Maryland, where he graduated in 1914. For the first two years he practiced at Blakely, and in 1916 removed to Charleston. Doctor Black is skillful and noted for the thoroughness of his work and consequently has a high standing in the medical profession. Particularly he has won general approval by the judg- ment and consideration with which he has discharged his duties as coroner, an office to which he was qualified in January, 1920. He is a member of the County, State and American Medical Associations, is a York and Scottish Rite Mason and Shriner, and a member of the Methodist Epis- cipal Church. Doctor Black married Miss Grace Royston, of Baltimore. their two children are Iva D. and William P., Jr.

Tom, I have some Mosbargers in my Allison family. 1)John Mosbarger, married Mary Jane Allison 25 Feb 1855 Gallia Co., Ohio. Children all born in Jackson Co.,Ohio Harvey D b 1857 Emma b 1858 Mary C b 1860 Sarepta E b 1862 Leslie F b 1865 Laura A b 1867 Elmer E b 1869 Otto & Charley died as infants Jennie b 1877 Sylvester b 1879 Harold b 1888 born in western Kansas They moved to Western Kansas in 1883 Diana of Borrego Springs, CA On Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:24:51 -0500 (CDT) Tom Young <[email protected]> writes: >Hello, > >I'm new to the list and in need of some advice. I'm interested in the >family of John Mushbarger (later Mossbarger), who d.1801 Greenbrier >Co, >VA. They came from Rockingham Co, VA and records there suggest that >John >had both a brother and a son named Martin. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hello Everyone, This looks like some information, which will be of interest to alot of you. I recently asked for the parents of Sarah Livesay. This gives that and more. Joyce in Ca. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and many more, too numerous to post.... ----- Original Message ----- From: carol ann berry <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 2:51 PM Subject: [email protected]: archives > Joyce, > sending the following i found on the > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/isearch > when i searched for Caraway WVA this came up.So looks like John Livesay > is father of Sarah, who is married to Thomas Caraway.Does this make more > sense....carol > > > > --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: archives > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:14:45 EDT > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > HENRY DOZIER HARRAH - was born in Greenbrier County, September 7, 1819, a > son of Thomas HARRAH, who was a son of Charles HARRAH, and was born in > Greenbrier County, March 28, 1786. Henry D.'s mother, whose maiden name > was Catharine DOZIER, was born on Dozier farm in Williamsburg District, > and she married Thomas HARRAH about 1808. He died February 26, 18446, > and she died December 29, 1862, in this county. December 21, 1853, Henry > D. HARRAH married Caroline Clara CARAWAY, who was born in Greenbrier > County November 2, 1826. The parents of Mrs. HARRAH, now both deceased, > were Thomas CARAWAY, who came from Maryland to Greenbrier County when a > little boy, and Sarah, daughter of John LIVESAY, born in Grass Meadows, > this county. The children of Mr. And Mrs. H. D. HARRAH are five living > in Williamsburg District, two deceased: Edgar S., born August 7, 1855, > died August 22, 1856; Howard A., February 18, 1857, died April 6th > following; Sarah Jane, September 10, 1858; Mary Evaline, June 10, 1863; > Emma Caroline, August 19, 1866; Joseph Henry, April 6, 1869; Thomas A., > March 4, 1875. > > Source: Hardesty, Henry H. Hardesty's Historical and Geographical > Encyclopedia. New York: H.H. Hardesty and Company, 1884. > Rpt. in West Virginia Heritage Encyclopedia. Ed. Jim Comstock. > Richwood: Comstock, 1974.Transcribed and submitted by Ed Johnson, , 1998. > ********************************************************************** ***** > CHARLES H. HEDRICK - born in Blue Sulphur district, Greenbrier County, > February 27, 1840, is still a resident in this district, where he owns a > fine > farm, and he is also successfully conducting a grocery and butcher > business > at Alderson, Monroe County. Henry and Nancy J. (LIVESAY) HEDRICK, the > latter > died in 1873, were his parents. His first wife was Virginia ROBISON, whom > he > wedded March 9, 1860, and who died without children, March 6, 1866, in > Mason > County, Illinois, of consumption. In Monroe County, West Virginia, > September 9. 1867, Charles H. HEDRICK and Eliza HOGGSETT were united > in marriage, and their children are five, John Henry, born September > 27, 1868; Mary V, November 12, 1869; Lulie B., May 8, 1871; James N., > June 1, 1873; Willie H., December 1, 1878. John and Mary HOGGSETT, > born in Augusta County, Virginia, were the parents of Mrs. HEDRICK. > They made their home in Monroe County, and the mother is still > living on the homestead there, the father died in 1857. The birth of > Mrs. HEDRICK was in Monroe County, born September 8, 1841. She had > one brother, S. F. HOGGSETT, who was a Confederate soldier, serving > in Edgar's Battalion, Company F. Charles H. HEDRICK's post office > address is Alderson, Monroe County, West Virginia. > Source: Hardesty, Henry H. Hardesty's Historical and Geographical > Encyclopedia. New York: H.H. Hardesty and Company, 1884. > Rpt. in West Virginia Heritage Encyclopedia. Ed. Jim Comstock. > Richwood: Comstock, 1974.Transcribed and submitted by Valerie Crook, , > 1998. > ********************************************************************** * > --------- End forwarded message ---------- >

Hello, I'm new to the list and in need of some advice. I'm interested in the family of John Mushbarger (later Mossbarger), who d.1801 Greenbrier Co, VA. They came from Rockingham Co, VA and records there suggest that John had both a brother and a son named Martin. I'm positive that I've previously found reference to Martin is some sort of published book of court records. I remember clearly that he was exempted from the levy. I can no longer find my notes on the matter and would like to know the particulars of the reference. Our local library has the book of early court minutes and it makes no mention of Martin. Is there another published book of court records? I know I've seen this reference somewhere. I just don't know where. Thanks in advance for any help. Tom Young <[email protected]>

Hi Alice, Thanks for the offer. I am forwarding this to the list. I have mentioned Carrie, and have some information that apparently came from her. I understand she is dead now. What does she show for children of Conrad Cart and his wife, Mary "Polly" Vance, and dates for them? Thanks, Joyce in Ca. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and many more, too numerous to post.... ----- Original Message ----- From: ALICE ROGERS <[email protected]> To: jarmscoop <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [WVGREENB-L] Adam Cart > Good Morning, > Carrie Cart wrote a book about her family. I have a copy at home but cannot > remember the correct title right now. I would be happy to do lookups from the > book if anyone wants. > Alice >

Thanks Joyce and Adina for your help. I found the following note on Ben Morris (Nancy Jarrett). Carol >From Panorama of Fayette County [WV]; John Cavalier; 1985; p123 Take the case of the Ben Morris home. In 1952, the late Forrest Hull, feature writer for the Charleston Daily Mail, did a story about the Morris residence. "In the shadows of a modern coal tipple and hidden by a railroad embankment," he wrote, "an old mansion of ante-bellum days is making its last stand before the onward march of industrialism. The Ben Morris house at London, Kanawba County, built in 1825, is in ruins and faces extinction today as industry moves up the Magic Valley." Ben Morris, builder of the house, was the youngest of the sons of William Morris, Sr., the first settler in the Great Kanawha Valley. Ben had married Nancy Jarrett and was raising a family when he decided to build a home on his property. The brick house has stood the storms of time for 138 years. The mason placed over the doorway a stone in which he had cut the inscription: "Ben Morris, 1825." Then he chiseled his name, "B. Turley, stonecutter." Ben and Nancy Morris had seven children. Most of them moved to the west in early days but the ones who made Kanawha history were Celia, who married Captain John Harvey, whose son, Morris Harvey, became a noted local financier and philanthropist who founded Morris Harvey College, now located in Charleston. Hull wound up his feature story with these sentences: "The property is now in the hands of the Cannelton Coal and Coke Company.... Today the pleasant little hollow where Morris kept his tenants has seemingly changed overnight. Coal mines, tramroads, and a highway for trucks have destroyed its rustic beauty. Soon the fine old home will disappear and only the gravestones in the little neglected graveyard beside the dusty tipple will be the evidence that here once lived and labored a sturdy pioneer, one of the first in the Great Kanawha Valley." But such was not to become the fate of the Morris house. Paul Morton, later to become president of the coal company, saw the article. He and others mused over the fate of such a fine old relic of the past. The old home did not fall before the wrecking company's steel ball. Instead, it was restored and modernized. Today it is the main entrance and head office of Cannelton Coal Company. Adrian Gwin, author of the "Roving the Valley" column in the Daily Mail, has written of the building as it looks today. "The fine old hallway, where young Morris Harvey may have worn out his jeans sliding down the banisters as a boy, still contains the banisters and the hallway. The fanlight above the heavy front door still contains some of the original glass. "The old bricks, crumbling with age, have been cemented over with stucco, and the interior has been redone into modern airconditioned offices." Saved from the ravages of time and the encroachments of industrial expansion, the home will endure many more years. It happened because a company cared. jarmscoop wrote: > > Hello Carol and Adina, > This research is a little closer to "home" for me. Vincent is my > primary name of interest in the area. I have some information > which comes from a WFT CD vol 4, and also some which comes from > previous Vincent researchers, [Book Form], and > quite abit from a Becky who has a good web site.

Hi everyone! I am forwarding a query I received. I didn't have much to offer this person, so I was hoping anyone researching these names might help..... please write to [email protected] if you have anything to add. Thanks! Lori Lori's Genealogy in the Virginias http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1968/ American Local History Network West Virginia State Host http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwvus/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Debra Warner <[email protected]> To: bill tworek <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 2:16 AM Subject: Greenbrier County Lookup Dear Lori, I don't know where to begin, you have to many books listed. I am trying to find any information on Jacob and David Beiler/Boiler in Greenbrier Co. from 1750 to 1800. I am also looking for any information on Jeremiah or Reuben Roach from about 1740 to 1820, in Greenbrier Co. I would appreciate any information that you can give me. Debra Warner [email protected]

Joyce in Ca. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and many more, too numerous to post.... ----- Original Message ----- From: jarmscoop <[email protected]> To: Carol Benjamin <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [WVGREENB-L] Jarrett > Hello Carol and Adina, > This research is a little closer to "home" for me. Vincent is my > primary name of interest in the area. I have some information > which comes from a WFT CD vol 4, and also some which comes from > previous Vincent researchers, [Book Form], and > quite abit from a Becky who has a good web site. She was changing > e-mails and url address sites for some time, so I > would have to look it up again and see if the addresses I have are > still viable. Becky is a cousin who ties into the Jarretts > and the Vincents, through Rosanna Vincent, who married James Jarrett, > and also Elizabeth Vincent, who married > Owen Jarrett, who was James Jarrett's son, by Elizabeth Griffy. I am > sending information about this James Jarrett lineage, two > generations of it, which should help settle some of your questions. My > husband is in the line of Joseph Vincent, who was > a brother of both Rosanna and Elizabeth Vincent. Rosanna and Elizabeth > were Joseph Vincent Jr.'s sisters. I have Vincent information as well, > if this is of interest to you. Becky has/had a copy of the James > Jarrett will on her site. I did copy it for my > records, so if you don't find it, I could see what I can do for you, > if further info is needed about this will. I have some basic > Morris and Jones info, but they do not seem to relate to my husband's > line. As is my procedure I usually do put basic info on > other families who link, in case they should relate later on. > Hopefully this is a help. Please feel free to question me further > about this family. > > Descendants of James Jarrett I > > 1 [1] James Jarrett I b: Abt. 1750 d: 1822 > .. +Elizabeth Griffy b: Abt. 1750 d: 1802 > . 2 Isaac Jarrett b: Abt. 1770 in VA d: February 1842 > ..... +Margaret Massey b: 1780 in VA d: Aft. 1850 > . 2 Margaret Jarrett b: Abt. 1770 in Wolf Creek, Greenbrier Co. WVa > ..... +Levi Morris b: 1753 d: 1834 > . 2 Nancy Jarrett b: 1771 in Wolf Creek, Greenbrier Co. WVa d: 1832 > ..... +Benjamin Morris b: Abt. 1770 d: 1829 > . 2 William Jarrett b: 1773 in Wolf Creek, Greenbrier Co. WVa > ..... +Caty[Catherine?] Medscian > . 2 James Jarrett II b: 1775 in Mill Creek Greenbrier Co. WVa d: > 1870 > ..... +Ruth Lockridge Gwinn b: 1783 d: 1862 > . 2 Wilson Squire Jarrett b: 1776 d: 1860 > . 2 David Jarrett b: 1778 in Wolf Creek, Greenbrier Co. WVa > . 2 Abraham Jarrett b: 1780 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV > . 2 Leah Jarrett b: Abt. 1782 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV d: > 1815 > ..... +James Graham,Jr. b: 1777 > . 2 Elizabeth Jarrett b: 1786 in Wolf Creek, Greenbrier Co. WVa > ..... +William Jones > . 2 Owen Jarrett b: 1790 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV d: 1852 > ..... +Elizabeth H. Vincent b: 1789 in Greenbrier Co. Wva d: 1877 > *2nd Wife of [1] James Jarrett I: > .. +Rosanna Vincent b: 1779 in Shenandoah Co. Va. d: 1864 > . 2 Delilah Jarrett b: 1804 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV d: > 1853 > ..... +Jacob Clemmons Hamilton b: 1796 in Greenbrier Co. Wva > . 2 Jacob Jarrett b: 1805 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV > ..... +Mary Hammock b: 1810 d: 1855 > . 2 George Washington Jarrett b: 1807 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. > WV > ..... +Emily Gant > . 2 James Madison Jarrett b: 1809 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV > ..... +Ruth Hamilton > . 2 Morris Jarrett b: 1811 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV > . 2 Evaline Jarrett b: 1813 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV d: > 1840 > ..... +Jacob Smith > . 2 Vincent Jarrett b: 1815 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV > ..... +Rebecca Caraway b: 1816 in Va. > . 2 Levi Morris Jarrett b: 1817 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV d: > 1893 > ..... +Paulina Gwinn b: 1826 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier Co. WV d: > 1917 > > Joyce in Ca. > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm > Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, > BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and > many more, too numerous to post.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carol Benjamin <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 6:47 PM > Subject: [WVGREENB-L] Jarrett > > > > Help! I have more information on the Jarrett family than I can > process. > > > > Is this correct: > > James Jarrett (md Rosanna Vincent) died 1821 in Greenbrier Co., > his > > will naming sons Jacob, Morris, George, James, Vincent, Levi, > William, > > Owen, Isaac and Abraham. Daughters were Delilah, Eveline, and Leah > > Graham. Also names were sons-in-law Benjamin Morris and William > Jones. > > > > Questions: > > 1) Who were the wives of the sons-in-laws? It seems the wives would > be > > Delilah and Eveline - but I already have a conflict with Delilah. > The > > book on Warrens lists her as wife of Thornton Warren. I have seen > > references to her marriage to Jacob Hamilton. > > > > 2) Is the James, the son of James and Rosanna, the James who md Ruth > > Gwinn? Did James and Ruth have a dau named Delilah? > > > > 3) The History of Greenbrier Co; J R Cole, states that Thomas Clay > > married Margaret Jarrett, d/o James and Ruth (Gwinn). pg 304: "James > > Jarrett the first built one of the first stone houses on Muddy > Creek, > > which still stands well preserved, and is still occupied. He > married > > Elizabeth Griffy, a devout Presbyterian." Where does Elizabeth > Griffy > > fit into the picture? > > > > This is a side line for me - Thornton Warren was a brother to my ggg > > grandfather. My database is a mess with this family - any help will > be > > appreciated. > > > > Carol > > > > ______________________________ >

Hello Alison, I have not really researched either name, but I do come up with the name Spinks every so often. Probably could find Hodges, but have not been looking for it, at the moment. I happened to be going through some stuff recently, which had a lineage for Hiram Walker. The line includes John Doyle Walker who married Julia Spinks. John was b. 1853. I don't see anything on her, but if you want Walker lineage, I can sure find that for you, in my Vincent file book. My husband does relate to some Walkers, not sure if he relates to this line, at this point. :-) I also show this one in my program. Descendants of William Wilson McClung 1 William Wilson McClung .. +Leora Bell Spinks b: 1902 . 2 William Kent McClung b: 1945 d: 1969 ..... +Pam Nutter .... 3 Blaine McClung . 2 Michael Lynn McClung b: 1947 ..... +Karen Lee Coleman b: 1946 .... 3 Michael Oliver McClung .... 3 Kevin Howard McClung b: 1972 ........ +Melissa R. Havens b: 1973 ........ 4 Kyle Hunter McClung b: 1995 And this is in my program Descendants of Daniel Sphinx 1 Daniel Sphinx .. +Margaret McClung I am more interested in the McClung name, so might have McClung info for you if you need it. Do you recognise these Spinx or Spinks? Joyce in Ca. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and many more, too numerous to post.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [McCLUNG-L] Military Service > Dont suppose by some miracle of god that you are researching Wright Hodges or > Spinks of Greenbrier County WVA. Its worth a shot > > Alison Martin >

Hello Listers, I got permission to forward this information to you. I do not know if John had ccd a copy of this to the list. It appears that he tried to send to the others who I had sent ccs to, with a previous query about the Carts. Just to be sure, I am sending this to you, in case anyone missed it. It has some good information, which helps clear the cobwebs. Joyce in Ca. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/3231 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/r/m/Joyce-C-Armstrongcooper/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~carvgs/rgs.htm Main names I am researching, VINCENT, TAYLOR, BRUNS,LIVESAY,ELLIS,MCCLUNG,JOPLING, COOPER, and many more, too numerous to post.... ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hoff <[email protected]> To: jarmscoop <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Cart/Vance > Joyce - > > The 1850 census record is undoubtedly your Cart family. The ages are > apparently 'off' on most everyone, but the important fact is that the names > are all correct. It lists the parents' names and the children's names - and > the children are all in correct order. Census records are always incorrect. > Using a census like this is how people come up with a birth year for Conrad > of 1784. Then that information gets published for years before anyone > finds the birth record in PA. Just imagine how the census was taken. > Someone drops by the farm and gets the information from whoever is there - > "Polly" is visiting the neighbors and one of the children gives the census > taker all the details. Or Adam gives the census taker all the details - and > what man could ever remember the ages of all his kids? What's important is > the family structure. And exact ages weren't so important back then. > > As for the marriage information on CD remember that FTM simply takes the > information that people send them on a GEDCOM and publishes it on CD ROM. > Even if the information was extracted from church records it is possible > that the year was miscopied. Just use your common sense. There couldn't > have been two couples with the same names married in Monroe Co. on the same > day and month one year apart. And this is a record which can be easily > checked. The Mormon information on the Ancestral File is subject to the > same problem - it's just information supplied by any genealogist who cares > to send it in. The Ancestral File is notoriously flaky. Even the IGI can > be in error although much of it is based on original records. Genealgy will > teach you > to trust no record absolutely, but to base your decisions on the > preponderance of the information and to weight the value of that > information. Don't trust anything just because it is published. > > I agree with you that the information on the Schmidts and the Heppenheimers > is confusing, but you have to remember that William Cart was living in the > same area as was Adam. They had the same neighbors and friends and probably > attended the same church. (Assuming that the information on Conrad James > Cart's birth is correct and that his father was William Cart. I haven't > seen any church records to confirm this.) > Under those circumstances it isn't unusual to see a name like Heppenheimer > turn up on records for both Adam and William. > > You will have to forgive me for being so dogmatic and "preachy". I get > frustrated trying to separate fact from fiction in so much of what has been > published. > > > > John > [email protected] > > > >