Hi Linda, Well here is the bad news. Things got so bad during the annual election that Rootsweb was going to close the list entirely. Scott was able to negotiate to keep it open only if they eliminated the archives. I do have a few hundred of the messages saved on my hard drive but with my lousy dialup connection (while waiting for satellite parts) it would be a major job to send them all to you. Les At 12:16 PM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >For more than 5 hours, I have been trying to access the archived messages >for the USGENWEB-DISCUSS Mailing List. No luck. > >No doubt, I will have something to say if I can ever read the old messages. > >Linda Fluharty > >Marshall, Calhoun, Pleasants & Ohio counties

I am not in favor of incorporation or a 501. Where will the money come from and who will take care of all that will be involved. Maybe I am missing something. Patricia Patricia Viellenave http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvupshur/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvlewis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabath/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~vahighla/ http://members.tripod.com/~wvgal/ http://www.lubedealer.com/pvsyntheticsgal/ Amsoil 1st in Synthetics Motor Oil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley L Shockey" <LesShockey@wildblue.net> To: <wvgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:13 PM Subject: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation > Hello WVGenWeb CCs, > > I regret having to bring this subject up again but I realize that > things change over time and individual opinions also change. The > subject being bitterly contested on USGW-Discuss at the past week or > so in Incorporation of the USGenWeb Project. A few are insisting > that it go further and insisting on incorporating the USGenWeb > Project as a bona fide non profit 501 (c) (3). > > What I would like to hear from each of you is your opinions and > feelings regarding such a move. > > I do have my opinion on the subject and I know that at least one > WVGenWeb CC has seen my postings on Discuss-L. I will gladly share > my feelings on the subject but would prefer hearing what each of you > feel first so that my opinion does not influence your feelings or > opinion on the subject. > > Les > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Discuss no longer has an Archive. It was removed by Roots Web several months ago because of the content. ----- Original Message ----- From: <LCFlu@aol.com> To: <wvgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation > Hi, Everyone: > > For more than 5 hours, I have been trying to access the archived messages > for the USGENWEB-DISCUSS Mailing List. No luck. > > No doubt, I will have something to say if I can ever read the old > messages. > > Linda Fluharty > > Marshall, Calhoun, Pleasants & Ohio counties > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

At 05:00 AM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >As a senior citizen, I've been a member in the past of small >organizations (civil and genealogical) >who "incorporated" when they first formed. It was for legal >protection which if I remembered >correctly - was to legally keep their name and a "must do" suggested >by attorneys. They also >were non-profit organizations. These can be either non-profit or not-for-profit. Obtaining the 501 (c)(3) status for the non profit should be another step >But I've a question. I remember Brian Leverige (sp?) selling this >volunteer organization (late 1990s)- which >must have been incorporated in order to do this. Now who remembers >who purchased this project? >And has it transferred more than once? Brian Leverich and Karen Issacson created and operated Rootsweb. When their expenses became too great (and they had borrowed many thousands of dollars to meet expenses) and donations were falling far short of that needed to meet the monthly operating expenses, they sold their mom and pop business to Ancestry.com who has since been purchased by IGN. Dr B and Karen provided free space for any USGenWeb Project pages that wanted them. They tried to guarantee that this continue under the agreement that was signed by Ancestry.com at the time of the sale. For IGN the "hosted by Rootsweb" banner does not seem to be enough. The AB is working on trying to reach an acceptable agreement in regard to the banners on pages and if an absolute requirement, then the wording of the banner. We sure do not want it to indicate that we are owned by IGN or Rootsweb, only hosted by them. Our regional AB reps are on this list and maybe they can explain this better than I have. Les

Les, As a senior citizen, I've been a member in the past of small organizations (civil and genealogical) who "incorporated" when they first formed. It was for legal protection which if I remembered correctly - was to legally keep their name and a "must do" suggested by attorneys. They also were non-profit organizations. But I've a question. I remember Brian Leverige (sp?) selling this volunteer organization (late 1990s)- which must have been incorporated in order to do this. Now who remembers who purchased this project? And has it transferred more than once? Julia At 03:17 AM 9/25/2007, you wrote: > > Hello WVGenWeb CCs, > > > > I regret having to bring this subject up again but I realize that > > things change over time and individual opinions also change. The > > subject being bitterly contested on USGW-Discuss at the past week or > > so in Incorporation of the USGenWeb Project. A few are insisting > > that it go further and insisting on incorporating the USGenWeb > > Project as a bona fide non profit 501 (c) (3). > > > > What I would like to hear from each of you is your opinions and > > feelings regarding such a move. > > > > I do have my opinion on the subject and I know that at least one > > WVGenWeb CC has seen my postings on Discuss-L. I will gladly share > > my feelings on the subject but would prefer hearing what each of you > > feel first so that my opinion does not influence your feelings or > > opinion on the subject. > > > > Les

Thanks Suzanne, Les At 07:26 AM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >You should contact the KY SC, Sherri Bradley. I'm sure she can tell you how >it was done. > >Suzanne

Many are saying that incorporating the Project should have no effect on any county site, just offer each one protection from anyone just taking over the Project. I really am not sure. There are a group of people that have pushed for the Project to become a non profit 501 (c) (3) since the beginning. Opinions differ on this. To me money corrupts. To protect the Project would then require qualified persons to handle things and that costs. Others can only see those huge donations that will buy us servers (who will take care of them) and many major databases to transcribe and put on line. Others keep saying how great it will be to deduct everything on their taxes. I do not know all the answers. Hopefully some of our group knows more in this regard or have children who are knowledgeable that can provide us answers. I want what our WVGenWeb volunteers feel is best for us. Les At 05:20 AM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >I haven't followed this debate very closely. > >What effect will incorporation of the USGenWeb Project have on the >individual county sites?

Les, You should contact the KY SC, Sherri Bradley. I'm sure she can tell you how it was done. Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley L Shockey" <LesShockey@wildblue.net> To: <wvgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation > At 11:00 PM 9/24/2007, you wrote: >>There are 3 states who have obtained their own domain names and are still >>located on the Rootsweb servers, but their URL shows as their own domain >>name. >>(Delaware, Kentucky, and Maryland). >> >>I think at the very least we should find out how the three states managed >>to >>have their URL changed and still be on Rootsweb, so that we can consider >>doing >>that. > > I have been able to keep two domains for our possible use over the > past few years. > > WVGENWEB.ORG > WVGENWEB.NET > > If we ever obtain a space where we can use them, we will have them. > > Les > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Les, I haven't followed this debate very closely. What effect will incorporation of the USGenWeb Project have on the individual county sites? David -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley L Shockey Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:13 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation Hello WVGenWeb CCs, I regret having to bring this subject up again but I realize that things change over time and individual opinions also change. The subject being bitterly contested on USGW-Discuss at the past week or so in Incorporation of the USGenWeb Project. A few are insisting that it go further and insisting on incorporating the USGenWeb Project as a bona fide non profit 501 (c) (3). What I would like to hear from each of you is your opinions and feelings regarding such a move. I do have my opinion on the subject and I know that at least one WVGenWeb CC has seen my postings on Discuss-L. I will gladly share my feelings on the subject but would prefer hearing what each of you feel first so that my opinion does not influence your feelings or opinion on the subject. Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 11:00 PM 9/24/2007, you wrote: >There are 3 states who have obtained their own domain names and are still >located on the Rootsweb servers, but their URL shows as their own domain name. >(Delaware, Kentucky, and Maryland). > >I think at the very least we should find out how the three states managed to >have their URL changed and still be on Rootsweb, so that we can consider doing >that. I have been able to keep two domains for our possible use over the past few years. WVGENWEB.ORG WVGENWEB.NET If we ever obtain a space where we can use them, we will have them. Les

At 11:00 PM 9/24/2007, you wrote: >I don't think it's necessary for WVGenWeb to incorporate as a 501(c)(3). There >are other options that we should pursue. I apologize for not making it clear in my previous post. I was wanting comments regarding the Incorporation of the USGenWeb Project primarily but it may be necessary to consider the other depending on how the negotiations go. Les

Les, I don't think it's necessary for WVGenWeb to incorporate as a 501(c)(3). There are other options that we should pursue. I would like to see our URL changed so it shows our own domain name instead of including Rootsweb in the URL. There is a lot of talk on the DISCUSS list about the proposed Branding by TGN (The Generation Network, the company that currently owns Ancestry, MyFamily, and RootsWeb) that would add a header row and possibly footer row on all the web-pages that are hosted on Rootsweb with "Hosted by Rootsweb" on the left and "An Ancestry.com Community" on the right. I feel we've already been branded Rootsweb by having their name in our URL all these years. Many of the Researchers think we "are" Rootsweb. There are 10 states who have obtained their own domain names and moved their state pages off Rootsweb (Arizona, California, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Vermont). They no longer have Rootsweb in their URL. There are 3 states who have obtained their own domain names and are still located on the Rootsweb servers, but their URL shows as their own domain name. (Delaware, Kentucky, and Maryland). I think at the very least we should find out how the three states managed to have their URL changed and still be on Rootsweb, so that we can consider doing that. Moving the state pages to a different server than Rootsweb should be considered if it's decided that branding will occur by TGN to add rows at the top and possibly bottom of our web-pages that are hosted on Rootsweb. Connie Burkett http://www.pa-roots.org/~marion/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvtaylor/ -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley L Shockey Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:13 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation Hello WVGenWeb CCs, I regret having to bring this subject up again but I realize that things change over time and individual opinions also change. The subject being bitterly contested on USGW-Discuss at the past week or so in Incorporation of the USGenWeb Project. A few are insisting that it go further and insisting on incorporating the USGenWeb Project as a bona fide non profit 501 (c) (3). What I would like to hear from each of you is your opinions and feelings regarding such a move. I do have my opinion on the subject and I know that at least one WVGenWeb CC has seen my postings on Discuss-L. I will gladly share my feelings on the subject but would prefer hearing what each of you feel first so that my opinion does not influence your feelings or opinion on the subject. Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello WVGenWeb CCs, I regret having to bring this subject up again but I realize that things change over time and individual opinions also change. The subject being bitterly contested on USGW-Discuss at the past week or so in Incorporation of the USGenWeb Project. A few are insisting that it go further and insisting on incorporating the USGenWeb Project as a bona fide non profit 501 (c) (3). What I would like to hear from each of you is your opinions and feelings regarding such a move. I do have my opinion on the subject and I know that at least one WVGenWeb CC has seen my postings on Discuss-L. I will gladly share my feelings on the subject but would prefer hearing what each of you feel first so that my opinion does not influence your feelings or opinion on the subject. Les

VAGenWeb has a "shadow" site hosted on rootsweb, as a virtual domain website ... We've registered the site with networksolutions.com under our domain names vagenweb.org and vagenweb.net and it's accessible by either name. Freddie S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley L Shockey" <LesShockey@wildblue.net> To: <wvgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation At 11:00 PM 9/24/2007, you wrote: >There are 3 states who have obtained their own domain names and >are still >located on the Rootsweb servers, but their URL shows as their >own domain name. >(Delaware, Kentucky, and Maryland). > >I think at the very least we should find out how the three >states managed to >have their URL changed and still be on Rootsweb, so that we can >consider doing >that. I have been able to keep two domains for our possible use over the past few years. WVGENWEB.ORG WVGENWEB.NET If we ever obtain a space where we can use them, we will have them. Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To what purpose would this incorporation serve? This sounds rather simple and is incorrect grammar but, "if it ain't broke, why fix it?" Marilyn Gouge Berkeley, Morgan, Jefferson, Wayne & Lincoln counties ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley L Shockey" <LesShockey@wildblue.net> To: <wvgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation > Hello WVGenWeb CCs, > > I regret having to bring this subject up again but I realize that > things change over time and individual opinions also change. The > subject being bitterly contested on USGW-Discuss at the past week or > so in Incorporation of the USGenWeb Project. A few are insisting > that it go further and insisting on incorporating the USGenWeb > Project as a bona fide non profit 501 (c) (3). > > What I would like to hear from each of you is your opinions and > feelings regarding such a move. > > I do have my opinion on the subject and I know that at least one > WVGenWeb CC has seen my postings on Discuss-L. I will gladly share > my feelings on the subject but would prefer hearing what each of you > feel first so that my opinion does not influence your feelings or > opinion on the subject. > > Les > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1027 - Release Date: > 9/24/2007 11:27 AM > >

I am opposed to any action which would make USGenWeb answerable in court for suits against its members/officers I believe incorporation would be one of those, so I oppose it Freddie S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley L Shockey" <LesShockey@wildblue.net> To: <wvgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation Hello WVGenWeb CCs, I regret having to bring this subject up again but I realize that things change over time and individual opinions also change. The subject being bitterly contested on USGW-Discuss at the past week or so in Incorporation of the USGenWeb Project. A few are insisting that it go further and insisting on incorporating the USGenWeb Project as a bona fide non profit 501 (c) (3). What I would like to hear from each of you is your opinions and feelings regarding such a move. I do have my opinion on the subject and I know that at least one WVGenWeb CC has seen my postings on Discuss-L. I will gladly share my feelings on the subject but would prefer hearing what each of you feel first so that my opinion does not influence your feelings or opinion on the subject. Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please share with appropriate USGenWeb Project lists. The Financial Management motion Motion [07-12] that passed in June will be added to the Advisory Board agenda for October. The Advisory Board will revisit the topic, solicit comments from members and reissue the call for volunteers at the appropriate time. The motion is located here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BOARD/2007-06/1182581192 Tina Vickery National Coordinator USGenWeb Project -------------------------------

I live in the Northern Panhandle of WV - and remember the Today Show weather map lacked our panhandle for months. Geography! What's that?? At 12:38 AM 9/20/2007, you wrote: >Lesley L Shockey wrote: > > > At 02:38 PM 9/18/2007, you wrote: > > > >> I noticed something odd -- anyone else catch it? (g) > > > > > > The counties that I am failing to see are: > > > > Grant > > Greenbrier > > Hampshire > > Hardy > > Mineral > > Monroe > > Pendleton > > Pocahontas > > Summers > > > > Les

Lesley L Shockey wrote: > At 02:38 PM 9/18/2007, you wrote: > >> I noticed something odd -- anyone else catch it? (g) > > > The counties that I am failing to see are: > > Grant > Greenbrier > Hampshire > Hardy > Mineral > Monroe > Pendleton > Pocahontas > Summers > > Les Which is an odd collection of Counties to omit. Hampshire, Hardy, Mineral and Grant used to be part of that Eastern Panhandle but someone in PR/Advertising moved 'em to Potomac Highlands. Odd that they got Morgan in which is half Hampshire. -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

At 02:38 PM 9/18/2007, you wrote: >I noticed something odd -- anyone else catch it? (g) The counties that I am failing to see are: Grant Greenbrier Hampshire Hardy Mineral Monroe Pendleton Pocahontas Summers Les