Hello All, Don't know about you, but I've loss much interest in volunteering over the past year. Never appreciated them stealing my material years ago, and upon payment for a 1 year membership at Ancestry received only 7 months when they couldn't automatically renew for another. I smartly changed my credit card ahead of time - and they punished me. Heard many other complaints from fellow researchers. No scruples. When you are "incorporated", you then have a legal company/organization to sell. I can't help but think this is a profit situation. If not for the current time period - perhaps for the future. Julia At 01:03 AM 9/27/2007, you wrote: >I'm not sure that my voice counts much here anymore, I had to back out of >the Doddridge site years ago.. But in my opinion, the incorporation is a >small step to takeover. Once it becomes an "institution" GenWeb becomes >available for takeover. My work has been up for free for 9 years. Others >even longer, and now I truly believe someone wants to find a way to profit >from all our work. I may be paranoid, but I've never been that way before. >Thanks for listening.

I'm not sure that my voice counts much here anymore, I had to back out of the Doddridge site years ago.. But in my opinion, the incorporation is a small step to takeover. Once it becomes an "institution" GenWeb becomes available for takeover. My work has been up for free for 9 years. Others even longer, and now I truly believe someone wants to find a way to profit from all our work. I may be paranoid, but I've never been that way before. Thanks for listening. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM

I'm sorry, I caused confusion. Michelle did give up the list. Michelle had family issues that required all of her time. She wanted to resign as Co-Coordinator at that time. I wouldn't allow it, we are a team. We didn't stay in close contact while she was taking care of her business, and I didn't know she had given up the list. I would have taken it on in a heartbeat before I would have allowed this to happen to Mineral County. Les will tell you, I asked to resign from MinCo Coordinator last week because of this List Adminstrator. Because of Les, I am still hanging in there - but see little hope for MinCo with the existing list coordinator. It's hard for me to stay in contact with the MinCo genealogy community when this guy obviously does not like me. I don't understand why he just doesn't give up the list to people that care about MinCo. It seems to me, he is just interested in having the power! I have posted more to this list today, than I have to the MinCo list in the last 4 years. Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley L Shockey" <LesShockey@wildblue.net> To: <wvgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [WVGEN] Some questions that I have on my mind > Sorry that I misunderstood. I thought that Michelle had given up the > list. Who is this drm pringle that had the list before? > > Because of who the new list admin is, it will do no good for me to > write to Andrew B. For some reason he seems to think higher of this > person than he does me. In my previous dealing he always chose to > believe this other person. I am not using his name here because I > think that he has PML and that would bounce my message to him. > > Les > > At 05:21 PM 9/26/2007, you wrote: >>I had no idea the list was up for adoption, until we began getting the >>messages from the New List Administrator. >>Many listers protested (as can be viewed in the MinCo list archives). >>The new Administrator scolded and berated us: > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sorry that I misunderstood. I thought that Michelle had given up the list. Who is this drm pringle that had the list before? Because of who the new list admin is, it will do no good for me to write to Andrew B. For some reason he seems to think higher of this person than he does me. In my previous dealing he always chose to believe this other person. I am not using his name here because I think that he has PML and that would bounce my message to him. Les At 05:21 PM 9/26/2007, you wrote: >I had no idea the list was up for adoption, until we began getting the >messages from the New List Administrator. >Many listers protested (as can be viewed in the MinCo list archives). >The new Administrator scolded and berated us:

I am Co-Coordinator with Michelle on the Mineral page. I had no idea the list was up for adoption, until we began getting the messages from the New List Administrator. Many listers protested (as can be viewed in the MinCo list archives). The new Administrator scolded and berated us: One quote from him: "I appreciated those who were polite and courteous, I was less encouraged by those who attacked me, and I was flabbergasted at the conspiracy theorists and those who impugned reputations without a skerrick of proof. For the latter group, if you don't like RootsWeb, you can have a money back refund and use and abuse some other group of people." Other postings were: Here is one member's (an attorney) reply (announcing his rejected posts also) http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141510852 The list administrator's reply: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141506881 Another's reply: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141513494 Another: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141515495 Another (noting fear of being banned from the site for helping) http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141517268 Another, noting reprimand: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141517773 One from Michelle: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141525015 As might be expected, we were put on moderation. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141535145 Reply: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141538590 >From David: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141726019 >From the beginning, many of my posts were rejected. At this time, Michelle started a MinCo genealogy group on Google, so we could again enjoy our MinCo Genealogy. I even requested a test from some who did subscribe to Michelle's Google Group, relaying that my messages to the MinCo list weren't going through. Theirs did: http://groups.google.com/group/Mineral-County-WV-Genealogy/browse_thread/thread/c6db24e70cbe2c2 I believe I sent a message to Rootsweb. Their message is on the Mineral Archives to Andrew. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-02/1138891651 I finally gave up posting ... if I do, I let him know that I am aware they are not going to be approved. If I do post, and they do go through, it takes 1-2 days (guess I am being moderated). The list administrator has caused some to unsub. Most are subbed to the Hampshire county list (it's much more genealogy community friendly). http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVMINERA/2006-03/1141726028 The list administrator is not even from Mineral County, not researching in Mineral County. Our list wasn't as active as most, but under Michelle as Administrator, we became a "family" and postings were not under the microscope as they are now. Our posts are few and far between. Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley L Shockey" <LesShockey@wildblue.net> To: <wvgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [WVGEN] Some questions that I have on my mind > At 09:37 AM 9/26/2007, you wrote: >>Michelle >>Staggs admin'd the WVHampsh when it first started and I was >>too busy to deal with it. >> >>I wasn't aware that just any ol'boy off the street could do >>it without the knowledge and consent of the CC. If they >>can, then it ought not be allowed. > > Apparently Michelle also had the Mineral County page. For some > reason it was not picked up by the co-CC and I was not aware that it > was available for adoption. It was taken over by someone who I have > had some very bad experiences with (such as his lying to a distant > cousin of mine to obtain a copy of my family database when I refused > to let him have it) and he may be doing this to get more revenge. He > was removed from the Shockey-L email list years ago for taking email > from the list and adding to his database which was online. He was > not only using facts but was using copyright materials without credit > or thanks. Cabell County is having a similar problem but I have not > determined if the same person is behind the situation there. > > If anyone has a county email list and needs to give it up, please do > so either through this list or directly to me. > > Les > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Les you are the back bone of WVGEN and my wishes are for you to stay as long as you can no one could do the wonderful job you do and I for one appreciate all the years you have lead us in all we have done as a group. My vote is with you, Patricia

At 09:37 AM 9/26/2007, you wrote: >Michelle >Staggs admin'd the WVHampsh when it first started and I was >too busy to deal with it. > >I wasn't aware that just any ol'boy off the street could do >it without the knowledge and consent of the CC. If they >can, then it ought not be allowed. Apparently Michelle also had the Mineral County page. For some reason it was not picked up by the co-CC and I was not aware that it was available for adoption. It was taken over by someone who I have had some very bad experiences with (such as his lying to a distant cousin of mine to obtain a copy of my family database when I refused to let him have it) and he may be doing this to get more revenge. He was removed from the Shockey-L email list years ago for taking email from the list and adding to his database which was online. He was not only using facts but was using copyright materials without credit or thanks. Cabell County is having a similar problem but I have not determined if the same person is behind the situation there. If anyone has a county email list and needs to give it up, please do so either through this list or directly to me. Les

Les, thanks for taking the time to ask for our opinion. 1. Only if the entire membership votes and decides that incorporation is what it wants for the USGenWeb Project. 2. The type of incorporation should be Non-profit, or UNA (unincorporated non-profit association), but registered in a state that best fits our needs. 3. For WV, incorporation only if the majority of all the WV-CCs agree to this. 4. For WV, Non-profit, or UNA (unincorporated non-profit association), but registered in WV. It is NOT necessary that we add 501(c)(3) to the non-profit entity. I think we can easily handle the small $amount that would be needed for non-profit without having to go 501(c)(3) for Federal Tax Exemption. 5. Yes, as a Plan-B, in case we don't like the result of the negotiations between the USGenWeb Advisory Board and TGN. 6. It would be fantastic if we could work out a deal with WVArchives. That would be a super place to have our web-pages. But we might need to be a registered non-profit to do this. 7. I would be very interested in having a URL with www.wvgenweb.org/my-county/ 8. No, we all love you as WV State Coordinator and want you to continue there forever. We like your style. 9. For the county-list, there's not much you can do. I wish there were county-lists that "belonged" to USGenWeb, but the Rootsweb county-lists (and boards) are not "ours", they can be administered by anyone. Connie Marion County, WVGenWeb Taylor County, WVGenWeb -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley L Shockey Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:27 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [WVGEN] Some questions that I have on my mind In order to maybe provide a clearer picture to this group, here are some of the questions and/or ideas for which I have been trying to find the right answers. I really do not want to lose any WVGenWeb CCs. 1. Should the USGenWeb Project incorporate? 2. If they incorporate, which type should they get? 3. Should the WVGenWeb Project incorporate? (several states have) 4. If we incorporate, which type should we seek? 5. Should we trying to find a different place to host our files? (there is much distrust of Rootsweb / Ancestry.com since the big snafu last month) 6. Could we possibly work out a deal with the state of West Virginia to host our pages using our domain name(s)? (Kansas is one that has all of their Project pages on one server.) 7. If it could be arranged, how many WVGenWeb counties would be interested in having a URL similar to www.wvgenweb.jackson,org/ or www.wvgenweb,org./jackson/ for the Jackson County page. (Just substitute your county name and such domains are available for less than ten per year.) 8. Is anyone interested in taking on the role as State Coordinator for WVGenWeb? 9. What do you do when a non CC gains control of county email lists and then blocks posts with announcements by the WVGenWeb CC? I am sure that there are more but these are enough questions for now. Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

singhals wrote: > Lesley L Shockey wrote: > > >>9. What do you do when a non CC gains control of county email lists >>and then blocks posts with announcements by the WVGenWeb CC? > > > I didn't think it was possible. If it is, it shouldn't be. Uhhh -- permit me to rephrase that? (G) I was aware that another CC could admin a county list; after all, Michelle Staggs admin'd the WVHampsh when it first started and I was too busy to deal with it. I wasn't aware that just any ol'boy off the street could do it without the knowledge and consent of the CC. If they can, then it ought not be allowed. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Les, Some good questions.... 1 - 2 I'm not sure what benefits there would be to incorporation of the National project. Would it lend a greater degree of validity? Maybe. Some have mentioned the protection from lawsuits. If the Nation project incorporates, where does that leave the state and county projects. Would we be considered "affiliates" or some other status. I don't think an incorporation at the national level would be blanket coverage for the state/county level. 3-4 I don't see a need to. 5 - I think it's something that really should be discussed. I think the branding is just going to lead to more confusion. Many folks already think that our project is just a part of Rootsweb. 6 - great idea! Maybe WVU might be willing also... 7 - N/A for me as I have hosting else where. 8 - How could we run without you? If you were to step down, we should have an election procedure in place before that happens.... 9 - I would contact listmaster at Rootsweb - as long as the postings don't violate the RW AUP I don't think RW would allow a list owner to not allow on topic discussions. My 2 cents... Nathan -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley L Shockey Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:27 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [WVGEN] Some questions that I have on my mind In order to maybe provide a clearer picture to this group, here are some of the questions and/or ideas for which I have been trying to find the right answers. I really do not want to lose any WVGenWeb CCs. 1. Should the USGenWeb Project incorporate? 2. If they incorporate, which type should they get? 3. Should the WVGenWeb Project incorporate? (several states have) 4. If we incorporate, which type should we seek? 5. Should we trying to find a different place to host our files? (there is much distrust of Rootsweb / Ancestry.com since the big snafu last month) 6. Could we possibly work out a deal with the state of West Virginia to host our pages using our domain name(s)? (Kansas is one that has all of their Project pages on one server.) 7. If it could be arranged, how many WVGenWeb counties would be interested in having a URL similar to www.wvgenweb.jackson,org/ or www.wvgenweb,org./jackson/ for the Jackson County page. (Just substitute your county name and such domains are available for less than ten per year.) 8. Is anyone interested in taking on the role as State Coordinator for WVGenWeb? 9. What do you do when a non CC gains control of county email lists and then blocks posts with announcements by the WVGenWeb CC? I am sure that there are more but these are enough questions for now. Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lesley L Shockey wrote: > In order to maybe provide a clearer picture to this group, here are > some of the questions and/or ideas for which I have been trying to > find the right answers. I really do not want to lose any WVGenWeb CCs. > > 1. Should the USGenWeb Project incorporate? No. > > 2. If they incorporate, which type should they get? Whatever the state in which they file the paperwork calls it. > > 3. Should the WVGenWeb Project incorporate? (several states have) I fail to see a point. > > 4. If we incorporate, which type should we seek? Presumably we'd do it in WV, and I don't know which one WVa calls it. > > 5. Should we trying to find a different place to host our > files? (there is much distrust of Rootsweb / Ancestry.com since the > big snafu last month) Who else is philantropic enough to pay for it? Who among us has the sales talent to go looking for some one with that much money? And -- is MS _really_ a better server farm than Ancestry? > > 6. Could we possibly work out a deal with the state of West Virginia > to host our pages using our domain name(s)? (Kansas is one that has > all of their Project pages on one server.) OK, sure -- if WVa Arch&Cult will host them, maybe; but what would the state in return for their server space? > > 7. If it could be arranged, how many WVGenWeb counties would be > interested in having a URL similar to www.wvgenweb.jackson,org/ or > www.wvgenweb,org./jackson/ for the Jackson County page. (Just > substitute your county name and such domains are available for less > than ten per year.) The 2nd example requires fewer changes to our thinking. (g) other than that -- no opinion. > > 8. Is anyone interested in taking on the role as State Coordinator > for WVGenWeb? I'm not *that* blonde and never was. (G) No. Thanks for asking. > > 9. What do you do when a non CC gains control of county email lists > and then blocks posts with announcements by the WVGenWeb CC? I didn't think it was possible. If it is, it shouldn't be. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Connie Burkett wrote: > Linda, I think it's important for all of us to be aware of negotiations that are > going on between the USGenWeb's Advisory Board and TGN (The Generations > Network), and the impact it might have on the USGenWeb and WVGenWeb projects > should TGN insist on branding the web-pages that are hosted on Rootsweb. > > I've looked at the branding on the "freepages" that are hosted on Rootsweb such > as the top and bottom of following URL: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kordyban/chart/relationship_chart.html > > And I think the few examples I've seen of the USGenWeb pages that were initially > branded before it was removed had a strip at the top with "hosted by rootsweb" > on the left and "an ancestry.com community" on the right without all the links > between, and there was no bottom strip. It's the "an ancestry.com community" on > the right that distresses me the most. However much it distresses anyone, the cold fact is, GenWeb *IS* part of the Ancestry community; our GenConnect boards turned in boards.Ancestry.... and our servers are owned, supported and maintained by Ancestry money. I don't say I approve of it, any more than I approve of Lee's surrender, but I do recognize it. (g) Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

Lesley L Shockey wrote: > Hello WVGenWeb CCs, > > I regret having to bring this subject up again but I realize that > things change over time and individual opinions also change. The > subject being bitterly contested on USGW-Discuss at the past week or > so in Incorporation of the USGenWeb Project. A few are insisting > that it go further and insisting on incorporating the USGenWeb > Project as a bona fide non profit 501 (c) (3). > > What I would like to hear from each of you is your opinions and > feelings regarding such a move. > > I do have my opinion on the subject and I know that at least one > WVGenWeb CC has seen my postings on Discuss-L. I will gladly share > my feelings on the subject but would prefer hearing what each of you > feel first so that my opinion does not influence your feelings or > opinion on the subject. For all the same reasons I've previously stated in eye-numbing detail -- I'm opposed. The synopsis of the issues I see is: incorporation involves filling out paperwork on a regular basis, it involves keeping painfully meticulous financial records even if you never spend a dime or receive a penny, and it does nothing for tax status unless the IRS says it does. The on-going outlay of effort isn't worth the dubious bennies. Besides, Brian and Karen *TRIED* to get all this for us back in the day and spent thousands of coconuts without success. Unless Congress changed some important laws and policies, I don't see how we can expect the outcome to be different with low-profile paid attorneys than it was with hi-powered pro-bono attorneys who were personally interested. Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

In order to maybe provide a clearer picture to this group, here are some of the questions and/or ideas for which I have been trying to find the right answers. I really do not want to lose any WVGenWeb CCs. 1. Should the USGenWeb Project incorporate? 2. If they incorporate, which type should they get? 3. Should the WVGenWeb Project incorporate? (several states have) 4. If we incorporate, which type should we seek? 5. Should we trying to find a different place to host our files? (there is much distrust of Rootsweb / Ancestry.com since the big snafu last month) 6. Could we possibly work out a deal with the state of West Virginia to host our pages using our domain name(s)? (Kansas is one that has all of their Project pages on one server.) 7. If it could be arranged, how many WVGenWeb counties would be interested in having a URL similar to www.wvgenweb.jackson,org/ or www.wvgenweb,org./jackson/ for the Jackson County page. (Just substitute your county name and such domains are available for less than ten per year.) 8. Is anyone interested in taking on the role as State Coordinator for WVGenWeb? 9. What do you do when a non CC gains control of county email lists and then blocks posts with announcements by the WVGenWeb CC? I am sure that there are more but these are enough questions for now. Les

Nathan, Thanks for funishing the URL so we can actually see what the proposed masthead will look like. I think the "an ancestry.com community" on the right will make it confusing for the researchers and they might think that USGenWeb is a part of the ancestry community. Many of our researchers think we are part of RootsWeb or even "are" Rootsweb because so many of us have had rootsweb in the URL for our county sites. We have much to thank the original owners of Rootsweb for, but Rootsweb is no the Rootsweb we knew, it is now "an ancestry community" and I sure would hate for our already confused researchers to think that we "are" an ancestry community in addition to being part of Rootsweb. Connie -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Zipfel Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:57 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation Hi all, I'm the Chairperson of the WorldGenWeb - the original mastheads proposed by TGN for the WorldGenWeb are the same as proposed for the USGenWeb To see the example visit http://www.worldgenweb.org/masthead.html I'm hoping that the discussions with the folks at TGN will change the wording so as to not create confusion. As they are now it is confusing. Nathan -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Burkett Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:51 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation Linda, I think it's important for all of us to be aware of negotiations that are going on between the USGenWeb's Advisory Board and TGN (The Generations Network), and the impact it might have on the USGenWeb and WVGenWeb projects should TGN insist on branding the web-pages that are hosted on Rootsweb. I've looked at the branding on the "freepages" that are hosted on Rootsweb such as the top and bottom of following URL: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kordyban/chart/relationship_chart.h tml And I think the few examples I've seen of the USGenWeb pages that were initially branded before it was removed had a strip at the top with "hosted by rootsweb" on the left and "an ancestry.com community" on the right without all the links between, and there was no bottom strip. It's the "an ancestry.com community" on the right that distresses me the most. Connie -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LCFlu@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:22 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation Connie: Thanks very much but I don't need the messages, as I told Les privately. I subscribed to the DISCUSS list so I will see what's what. Thanks Linda ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I'm the Chairperson of the WorldGenWeb - the original mastheads proposed by TGN for the WorldGenWeb are the same as proposed for the USGenWeb To see the example visit http://www.worldgenweb.org/masthead.html I'm hoping that the discussions with the folks at TGN will change the wording so as to not create confusion. As they are now it is confusing. Nathan -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Burkett Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:51 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation Linda, I think it's important for all of us to be aware of negotiations that are going on between the USGenWeb's Advisory Board and TGN (The Generations Network), and the impact it might have on the USGenWeb and WVGenWeb projects should TGN insist on branding the web-pages that are hosted on Rootsweb. I've looked at the branding on the "freepages" that are hosted on Rootsweb such as the top and bottom of following URL: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kordyban/chart/relationship_chart.h tml And I think the few examples I've seen of the USGenWeb pages that were initially branded before it was removed had a strip at the top with "hosted by rootsweb" on the left and "an ancestry.com community" on the right without all the links between, and there was no bottom strip. It's the "an ancestry.com community" on the right that distresses me the most. Connie -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LCFlu@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:22 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation Connie: Thanks very much but I don't need the messages, as I told Les privately. I subscribed to the DISCUSS list so I will see what's what. Thanks Linda ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda, I think it's important for all of us to be aware of negotiations that are going on between the USGenWeb's Advisory Board and TGN (The Generations Network), and the impact it might have on the USGenWeb and WVGenWeb projects should TGN insist on branding the web-pages that are hosted on Rootsweb. I've looked at the branding on the "freepages" that are hosted on Rootsweb such as the top and bottom of following URL: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kordyban/chart/relationship_chart.html And I think the few examples I've seen of the USGenWeb pages that were initially branded before it was removed had a strip at the top with "hosted by rootsweb" on the left and "an ancestry.com community" on the right without all the links between, and there was no bottom strip. It's the "an ancestry.com community" on the right that distresses me the most. Connie -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LCFlu@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:22 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation Connie: Thanks very much but I don't need the messages, as I told Les privately. I subscribed to the DISCUSS list so I will see what's what. Thanks Linda ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Connie, Thanks for the support and the assistance. I do agree with those three possible choices. Yes there are many things that need to be investigated and reported on before decisions are made. Les At 03:04 PM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >I don't like the idea of a 501(c)(3) for the same reasons that Les >has stated -- >that we'd then have to worry about handling money and all the >problems that are >associated with it. That distracts very much from our purpose. > >However, the project could incorporate as a non-profit without 501(c)(3) or as >an Unincorporated Nonprofit Association. There would be several things to be >hashed out first such as which state to use. > >Connie

Les, I don't think it would be worthwhile to wade through all the many hundreds (thousands) of emails on the DISCUSS list to read the few that are worth reading. Although there are a few worth reading, the vast majority are not. Linda, if you still have your WVGen email, Les forwarded 2 emails from Tina Vickery (on 9/5 subject: Negotiations - Masthead for USGenWeb Rootsweb hosted sites and another one on 9/11 subject: Contingency Discussions - re: masthead/negotiation/discussion) and that started the flood of email on the DISCUSS list. Tina was asking for input and suggestions, comments, ideas and concerns that we may have in regard to the negotiations with TGN (The Generations Network, which currently owns Rootsweb)-- however, most of the DISCUSS list seems to be revolving around incorporating as a 501(c)(3). I don't like the idea of a 501(c)(3) for the same reasons that Les has stated -- that we'd then have to worry about handling money and all the problems that are associated with it. That distracts very much from our purpose. However, the project could incorporate as a non-profit without 501(c)(3) or as an Unincorporated Nonprofit Association. There would be several things to be hashed out first such as which state to use. Connie -----Original Message----- From: wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wvgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley L Shockey Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:02 PM To: wvgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WVGEN] need your input on Project incorporation Hi Linda, Well here is the bad news. Things got so bad during the annual election that Rootsweb was going to close the list entirely. Scott was able to negotiate to keep it open only if they eliminated the archives. I do have a few hundred of the messages saved on my hard drive but with my lousy dialup connection (while waiting for satellite parts) it would be a major job to send them all to you. Les At 12:16 PM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >For more than 5 hours, I have been trying to access the archived >messages for the USGENWEB-DISCUSS Mailing List. No luck. > >No doubt, I will have something to say if I can ever read the old messages. > >Linda Fluharty > >Marshall, Calhoun, Pleasants & Ohio counties ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WVGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 01:26 PM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >I am not in favor of incorporation or a 501. Where will the money come from >and who will take care of all that will be involved. It is the 501 (c)(3) that also bothers me. I have a bigger concern about who controls the money and I did not join this to go begging for money. Les