A Suretor was a person who stood surety. This means that this person guaranteed that the people marrying were above the age of consent and did not already have a living spouse. In other words, they guaranteed that the persons were eligible to marry. This person was very often a relative because the amount could be very large.

Does anyone know if a phrase "Old Diminion " would mean Virginia, or West Va. It was used in a Bio saying the person removed from the Old Diminion. Thanks for explaining Sue

Does anyone know what the word suretor means it is used in old marriage records as a person being this in someones marriage...I have looked it up in the dictionary and encyclopedia but cannot find it... thanks J

My uncle told me this interesting story about a man named John Mcarty (not sure of the spelling of his last name) He said that around 1940 he died (in Berkeley County)while living at the home of a man named Spencer Marpole...Spencer had not known him long and did not even know where he was from ...I am not sure why he was staying at Spencers home...but when he died his body was kept for several weeks while local athorities searched to try and find some next of kin but no one was ever found...He was thought to possibly be from somewhere in Virginia... He was finally buried at the Mountainside Tabernacle Church on the Poor House Road near Martinsburg...(he was the first person buried in that cemetery)... Is anyone out there looking for any Mcartys or know of any relative that came up missing...I know its a long shot but I thought Id post this and see what happens... thanks J

I received my copy today, from BCHS, and am pleased to have it for a reference; meanwhile looking forward to my book-kitty replenishing enough to order Mr. Kerns' book. Looking at the contents page of "Pioneers", it shows 3 loose maps included. I received the two Jefferson maps (front & back), but there wasn't one of "Old Frederick Co., VA" by Galtjo Geertsema. Does anyone know if this was supposed to be included with the book as well?? Would I write to BCHS or to Mr. O'Dell to get a copy of that map? Thanks in advance for any help or advice. Kathryn

I am trying to determine the source of some microfilm records I used several years ago (before I started recording such vital items). They were 3 microfilm reels someone else had obtained through interlibrary loan. All I know about them is: 1.) "V150-188: Morgan County Wills 1820-1900; Births 1820-1900; Deaths 1866-1899; Marriages 1820-1899" 2.) "V150-8: Berkeley County Court Records, 1772-1774; Landowners 1784-1794" 3.) "V150-60: Hampshire County Court Minutes, Bonds 1788; Inventories & Wills 1750-1899; Births 1865-1880; Deaths 1866-1894; Marriages 1824-1899" All three start with "V150-". This doesn't look like LDS reels. I would sure like to get these through I.L.L. again, well actually for the first time since I "borrowed" someone else's microfilm order off the shelf. PLEASE help if you can! Charles R. Vanorsdale

I am researching the Dutch settlement around the Shepherdstown area which was started in the mid-1760s through the 1790s. The names involved include Vanderveer/Vandiveer, Van Meter, Van Arsdale, and others. I would like to correspond with anyone else researching this community. Thanks, Charles R. Vanorsdale

-----Original Message----- From: David & Cindy Smith <[email protected]> To: Tim and Chris Whalen <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, July 28, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [WVBERKEL] Presbyterian Church Rolls >There is also a book that may be of interest to anyone researching the >Presbytery. I have a Carson Wilson Hollis (1850-1911), born in Berkeley >Co., who was a Presbyterian Minister. This book provided information on >numerous persons involved in the church, as well as some of its members. >You can probably locate the book through an inter library loan, it is >titled "A history of the Presbytery of Winchester (Synod of Virginia) Its >Rise and Growth, Ecclesiastical Relations, Institutions and Agencies, >Churches and Ministers 1719-1945" based on official documents by Robert Bell >Woodward, D.Sc. Printed by McClure Printing Co., Staunton, Va. 1947. >Hope this helps someone. >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim and Chris Whalen <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:17 AM >Subject: [WVBERKEL] Presbyterian Church Rolls > > >>The church rolls (not subscription lists!) would be with the present >>congregations if the still the congregations are still active. If the >>churches have been closed, they could be in either of three places. If the >>congregation merged with another, the church records from the closed church >>would be with the church they have merge with. If the rerecords are not >>there, or the church did not merge with another congregation, the church >>records would be held the Presbytery that covers that area (off hand I do >>not know which Presbytery that is, but a call to a Presbyterian church in >>Berkely Co. should provide you with this information. Last but least you >>could check the archives in Philadelphia - but they will want you to have >>checked with the local churches first. When writing or calling a church it >>would be best to get in touch with the Clerk of Session (for a local >church) >>or the Stated Clerk (for the Presbytery) as he or she is responsible for >the >>records and is usually of more help than the secretary at the church. The >>Pastor can be of a great help also, but he would probably refer you to the >>Clerk for a search of the actual records. >> >> >> >>==== WVBERKEL Mailing List ==== >>BERKELEY County List Administrator: >><=<[email protected]>=> >> >

Yes, it is available by interlibrary loan--I had it out earlier this year (a copy from the Timberland Regional Library in Olympia, WA, of all places!), and found it extremely informative. It lists all the elders, deacons, etc. and details the history of the Presbyterian congregations in each region. Martha Grenzeback [email protected] At 03:22 PM 29-07-2001 -0400, David & Cindy Smith wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: David & Cindy Smith <[email protected]> >To: Tim and Chris Whalen <[email protected]> >Date: Saturday, July 28, 2001 5:01 PM >Subject: Re: [WVBERKEL] Presbyterian Church Rolls > > > >There is also a book that may be of interest to anyone researching the > >Presbytery. I have a Carson Wilson Hollis (1850-1911), born in Berkeley > >Co., who was a Presbyterian Minister. This book provided information on > >numerous persons involved in the church, as well as some of its members. > >You can probably locate the book through an inter library loan, it is > >titled "A history of the Presbytery of Winchester (Synod of Virginia) Its > >Rise and Growth, Ecclesiastical Relations, Institutions and Agencies, > >Churches and Ministers 1719-1945" based on official documents by Robert >Bell > >Woodward, D.Sc. Printed by McClure Printing Co., Staunton, Va. 1947. > >Hope this helps someone. > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Tim and Chris Whalen <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > >Date: Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:17 AM > >Subject: [WVBERKEL] Presbyterian Church Rolls > > > > > >>The church rolls (not subscription lists!) would be with the present > >>congregations if the still the congregations are still active. If the > >>churches have been closed, they could be in either of three places. If >the > >>congregation merged with another, the church records from the closed >church > >>would be with the church they have merge with. If the rerecords are not > >>there, or the church did not merge with another congregation, the church > >>records would be held the Presbytery that covers that area (off hand I do > >>not know which Presbytery that is, but a call to a Presbyterian church in > >>Berkely Co. should provide you with this information. Last but least you > >>could check the archives in Philadelphia - but they will want you to have > >>checked with the local churches first. When writing or calling a church >it > >>would be best to get in touch with the Clerk of Session (for a local > >church) > >>or the Stated Clerk (for the Presbytery) as he or she is responsible for > >the > >>records and is usually of more help than the secretary at the church. The > >>Pastor can be of a great help also, but he would probably refer you to the > >>Clerk for a search of the actual records. > >> > >> > >> > >>==== WVBERKEL Mailing List ==== > >>BERKELEY County List Administrator: > >><=<[email protected]>=> > >> > > > > >==== WVBERKEL Mailing List ==== >Berkeley County Unsubscription Directions >[email protected] UNSUBSCRIBE [in body of message] >[email protected] UNSUBSCRIBE [in body of message]

I locate the September 7, 1770 subscription list for the Presbyterian congregations of Tuscarora (organized in 1740), Falling Water , and Back Creek-Tomahawk (the last two were both organized in 1745) in the William Henry Foote Diary, William Smith Morton Library, Union Theological Seminary and Presbyterian School of Christian Education, Richmond, Virginia. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WVBERKEL] 1770 church subscription list Hello list, Where are these church subscription lists for Tuscarora, Falling Waters and Back Creek - Tomahawk congrgations located? Library of VA or the Presbyterian archives in Philadelphia or elsewhere?? Thanks much for a reply. Ann In a message dated 7/27/01 9:06:42 AM, you wrote: >My Charles Snodgrass is >> first mentioned in a September 7, 1770 church subscription list for the >> Presbyterian congregations of Tuscarora, Falling Water and Back >> Creek-Tomahawk. ==== WVBERKEL Mailing List ==== Address your BERKELEY County List messages to:[email protected]

The church rolls (not subscription lists!) would be with the present congregations if the still the congregations are still active. If the churches have been closed, they could be in either of three places. If the congregation merged with another, the church records from the closed church would be with the church they have merge with. If the rerecords are not there, or the church did not merge with another congregation, the church records would be held the Presbytery that covers that area (off hand I do not know which Presbytery that is, but a call to a Presbyterian church in Berkely Co. should provide you with this information. Last but least you could check the archives in Philadelphia - but they will want you to have checked with the local churches first. When writing or calling a church it would be best to get in touch with the Clerk of Session (for a local church) or the Stated Clerk (for the Presbytery) as he or she is responsible for the records and is usually of more help than the secretary at the church. The Pastor can be of a great help also, but he would probably refer you to the Clerk for a search of the actual records.

I'm sure if anyone knows the answer that it would interest all of us where to find these records.....please post to the list. Thanks, Jan Lund ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: [WVBERKEL] 1770 church subscription list > Hello list, > > Where are these church subscription lists for Tuscarora, Falling Waters and > Back > Creek - Tomahawk congrgations located? > Library of VA or the Presbyterian archives in Philadelphia or elsewhere?? > > Thanks much for a reply. > Ann > > In a message dated 7/27/01 9:06:42 AM, you wrote: > > >My Charles Snodgrass is > >> first mentioned in a September 7, 1770 church subscription list for the > >> Presbyterian congregations of Tuscarora, Falling Water and Back > >> Creek-Tomahawk. > > > ==== WVBERKEL Mailing List ==== > Address your BERKELEY County List > messages to:[email protected] > >

Hello list, Where are these church subscription lists for Tuscarora, Falling Waters and Back Creek - Tomahawk congrgations located? Library of VA or the Presbyterian archives in Philadelphia or elsewhere?? Thanks much for a reply. Ann In a message dated 7/27/01 9:06:42 AM, you wrote: >My Charles Snodgrass is >> first mentioned in a September 7, 1770 church subscription list for the >> Presbyterian congregations of Tuscarora, Falling Water and Back >> Creek-Tomahawk.

Looking for info on a Robert Roe m. a Susan saunders in that area can anyone help PEGGY HOFFMAN Millie Fry wrote: > Willa, > Are you by any chance researching Paul Verdier? A Paul Verdier was married > to a Sarah Snodgrass on Feb. 7, 1787 by Hugh Vance. She is the daughter of > Robert and Susannah (Rawlings) Snodgrass. I am researching the Snodgrass > family of Frederick Co., VA and Berkeley Co., WV. My Charles Snodgrass is > first mentioned in a September 7, 1770 church subscription list for the > Presbyterian congregations of Tuscarora, Falling Water and Back > Creek-Tomahawk. Any chance you or other members of this listserv are doing > any Snodgrass research? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 4:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WVBERKEL] Question > > I have an odd piece of information given to me by a non-researcher who got > it > from someone who is deceased. I am trying to figure out where it came > orignally came from. I thought someone on the list might have an idea. > > " Abstracts from Will books at Annapolis, MD. > At a court continued and held for Berkeley County, the 27 February 1798. > Present: Robert Stephen, James Wilson, Wm Henshaw, David Hunter, Henry > Bedinger, Edward Giffin. Gentlemen, Justices. Ordered that Paul Verdier, a > Captain of Musquetry, in the room of Frederick Snyder, removed. Joseph > Cromwell, Lieut. and Geroge Little, Ensigh; George Barer, Lieut. in Capt. > Whimire's Musketry Company, in the room of Wm Allen Resigned....." > > A) does anyone know what this means and > > B) does anyone know what record it came from. It is not in the extract of > Berkeley County, WV wills by Larry G. Shuck so I am assuming it is not out > of > the regular will books. > > Willa [email protected] > > ==== WVBERKEL Mailing List ==== > BERKELEY County List Administrator: > <=<[email protected]>=> > > ==== WVBERKEL Mailing List ==== > Berkeley County Unsubscription Directions > [email protected] UNSUBSCRIBE [in body of message] > [email protected] UNSUBSCRIBE [in body of message]

I am seeking information on the following family: Eleanor FARTHING marr. John Foist (Veist) 8 Jul 1798 in the Germ. Ref. Curch, Fred. MD Their daughter, Rebecca Foist, married Reginal BUTT, 15 Dec 1818 Berkeley, VA. Other children: Elizabeth, John, James and Anna (marr. Jesse Rike). Their daughter, Mary Ann Butt, married Isaac BIMM, 1843, Dayton, Mont. Co. Ohio. Mary Ann Butt/Isaac Bimm are my gggrandparents. Their daughter, Demaris BIMM, married John Gunther/Guenther, in Dayton. Any help with these families would be greatly appreciated. Judith Watt State College, PA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

Dear genealogists, In the 1787 Property Tax List for Berkeley County, there was a Peter Bearnhardt listed. Does any one have any information on this gentleman or his family. Thank you. Lance [email protected]

Looking for the last names of HOFFMAN and Eury in frederick co .md. and washington co md.any help THANKS PEGGY HOFFMAN Bud in FL wrote: > Looking for parents & connections in Frederick & Washington Co's.,MD > - maybe of Berkeley & Jefferson Co.'s VA/WV for; > > JACOB B. MILLER was born 17 Dec 1780, and died 25 Oct 1832,Jefferson > Co.VA > He married SUSANNAH SNYDER on 17 Mar 1807 in Hagerstown, > Washington, MD, > she was the daughter of JACOB SNYDER SR and ANNA NEFF, of PA & > Wash.Co.,MD. > > Children of JACOB B. MILLER and SUSANNAH SNYDER are: > i. NANCY SNYDER MILLER, b. 21 Jan 1808, > ii. SOLOMON MILLER, b. 15 Jul 1810, > iii. CATHARINE MILLER, b. 28 Sep 1812, > iv. JOHN MILLER, b. 29 Aug 1814, > v. JACOB JAMES MILLER, b. 21 Aug 1817, > vi. SUSANNAH C. MILLER, b. 16 Oct 1819, > vii. MARTIN HENRY MILLER, b. 19 Jan 1829, > ----- > BudinFL > Homepage:<home.cfl.rr.com/budinfl> > Pedigree on FTM CD#12-FG#1153 > > <[email protected]> > > ----end----- > > ==== WVBERKEL Mailing List ==== > Address your BERKELEY County List > messages to:[email protected] > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Hello, Thanks to everyone for info on "Old Dominion". It was very helpful. Now I can go on searching with tearing my hair out.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Yes, Virginia, there is a ...VIRGINIA! (Virginia = Old dominion) [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > WVBERKEL-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 58 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [WVBERKEL] what is the Old Dominio ["Terri Davis" <[email protected]] > #2 Re: [WVBERKEL] what is the Old Dom [JBaechle <[email protected]>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from WVBERKEL-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [WVBERKEL] what is the Old Dominion Family > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:38:01 -0400 > From: "Terri Davis" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hello, > My name is Terri and the surmane I am having trouble with is HENRY. I > have found an article on my 3 ggfather (Michael Henry) and in it talks about > my 4 ggfather (George Henry). In the article it says, " descended from an > old and distinguished family of the Old Dominion." I have looked all over > the web, dictionaries, etc.. for the Old Dominion (family, 1700 - 1800's)and > cant find anything about it. Can someone help me understand what this > family is or where I might find out about it? > Thank you > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [WVBERKEL] what is the Old Dominion Family > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:11:35 -0400 > From: JBaechle <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi Terry, > > >From The Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary: > > Old Dominion > 1. the state of Virginia (used as a nickname). > > Julie > Holmdel NJ > ======================================================= > Terri Davis wrote: > Hello, > My name is Terri and the surmane I am having trouble with > is HENRY. I have found an article on my 3 ggfather (Michael > Henry) and in it talks about my 4 ggfather (George Henry). In > the article it says, " descended from an old and distinguished > family of the Old Dominion." I have looked all over the web, > dictionaries, etc.. for the Old Dominion (family, 1700 - > 1800's)and cant find anything about it. Can someone help me > understand what this family is or where I might find out about > it? > Thank you > > > ==== WVBERKEL Mailing List ==== > > Address your BERKELEY County List > > messages to:[email protected]

Hi Terry, From The Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary: Old Dominion 1. the state of Virginia (used as a nickname). Julie Holmdel NJ ======================================================= Terri Davis wrote: Hello, My name is Terri and the surmane I am having trouble with is HENRY. I have found an article on my 3 ggfather (Michael Henry) and in it talks about my 4 ggfather (George Henry). In the article it says, " descended from an old and distinguished family of the Old Dominion." I have looked all over the web, dictionaries, etc.. for the Old Dominion (family, 1700 - 1800's)and cant find anything about it. Can someone help me understand what this family is or where I might find out about it? Thank you > ==== WVBERKEL Mailing List ==== > Address your BERKELEY County List > messages to:[email protected]