Just before she died in March, my mother told me she had learned ( but didn't tell me WHERE) that our WINTERS family who are documented in Jefferson Co., OH wiwth the birth of my 3ggrandfather ELI b. 14 March 1803 had been "...squires in VA who lost their money and moved to OH" As I feel I have exhausted all the Abraham WINTER/WINTERS born in Pa between 1760-80, I am now trying to check out her "hypothesis" that the family originated in VA/WVA. In the 1820 census for Jefferson Co., OH ( the first) an ABRAHAM WINTERS is listed with a son who would have been older than Eli, 2 sons Eli's age, and three under 10 years. In the 1830 census, the person listed just above Eli's household ( Eli m. Annis ANDREWS b. 1801 Chester, PA on 2/1/1821 in Jefferson Co) is an abbreviation for W'm or Ab'm. We believe Eli's father was Abraham as he and Annis named their second son ( b. 1822) as Abraham, the first son being James, probably for her father. In Jefferson Co in 1805, an Abraham WINTERS was paid $1 for a grey woilf skin. In 1826, Abraham Sr and Jr were founding members of a "Christian" Church .. no denomination given. By 1840, Eli and Annis were in Crawford Co., OH where she died in 1879 and he in 1883/4. Some of the maternal lines marrying into this family, besides Annis Andrews, the daughter of James and Margaret Clendennin, were Elarton/Allerton ( John, William, Joseph) and Crites. Thank you all in advance for any time you can give in searching your databases and/or in offering me further suggestions for research. Margaret Shank ( Arvada, CO)