Looking for information on David Jones b.abt.1816. Not sure where. married Elizabeth A. Overfield in 1861 in Doddridge Co. VA. Some say they then moved on to Ohio. Any Davids on the 1860 or 1870 census index? Thanks jag _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/

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Hello all. Looking for help on another Osgood, 1750 family. Anything would be appreciated. Does someone have the whole passenger list? I received the following information, except that about George Steorts(?) from a Storts researcher. If any one is interested, there is more. A Peter STOTZ family came to America on the ship Osgood, Captain William Wilkie, in 1750. Later spellings were STORTZ, STURTZ, STORTS, STOTTS, STEORTS, STEORTZ, etc. 1 Peter STOTZ, born Germany 2 Ludwig, Johannas Christian, Han Balthass------all born Gremany, died PA 3 Christian II, Johannas George, 1745-?, and at least 3 other children 4 John Jacob Sturtz (Storts) 1763 in PA-died 1852 in Perry Co. OH. He is a documented Rev. War soldier and was the son of Christian II 4 This is a guess: George STORTS or STEORTS was born near Hagerstown, MD in 1769 and died 1851 at Jane Lew, Lewis Co. (W)VA Was he the son of Johannas George Sturtz? Family tradition says that George (1769-1851) was the son of George, from Germany, and soldier under George Washiongton. Can anyone help with this? Many thanks. Linda Steorts JO ANN GIBSON wrote: > alison, I think that this man traveled in steerage ( the bottom of the ship) > as so many did when then came over to the u.s. > ] > This diary shuld open everyone's eyes as to the hardships suffered not only > after arriving--but just making the ocean voyage. thank you for sharing. > Jo Ann Gibson > > I also have family that came from russia (german's living in Russia) though > the underground. On the ship they were in steerage with the rats and > spoiled food. > > >Ever wonder what it was like for your ancestors to travel across the ocean > to get here? I was lucky enough that one of the passengers who came with my > 6th great grandfather on the ship Osgood and arrived in Philadelphia on > >Sept 29 1750, wrote down his experience. I have read it probably a hundred > times and find it fascinating as well as humbling. This is supposed to be > typical of the immigration experience during this time. > > ==== WVA Mailing List ==== > Adrianne Hopkins Listowner [email protected] > Need Help with your WVA lines? Check out the WVAGENWEB Project: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb

Does anyone know this John Polley/pauley? thanks Sandy in Fla In a message dated 7/18/99 6:33:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Who are the seven children of John Polley according to this pension record? > > John Polly W3036 VA. Applied for pension 7 Jan 1833, Adair Co, KY, age 72. > Born in Pittsylvania Co, VA in 1760. Enlisted in Pitts. in 1777. Died 4 > Sept. 1840. Moved to Camden Dist. SC where he married and lived 12 years. > Then to Washington Co, TN where he lived until 1803, then to Adair Co, KY. > Had 7 children, or more. His widow Susan Polly applied for pension in Adair > Co, KY, 26 Aug. 1843, age 79 years. They were married in Camden Dist. SC in > 1783.

Dear Listers: Here's the story on Luther Robinson. He was born Luther Carder about 1856, and was a son of Hannah Carder (born 1834, died before 1883). He had a sister Emma Carder (1859-), who married James Davis. Hannah Carder was not married when she had either of these children. Luther was raised by Hannah's sister Mary "Polly" Carder Robinson, who was previously married to John Poland in 1825. She married John Robinson about 1849. Luther apparently went by both Luther Carder and Luther Robinson when he was younger, but eventually he was known by the name Luther Robinson. Here's Luther's Carder ancestry: Luther Carder (Robinson), born about 1856 Hannah Carder, mother, born 1834, died before 1883, lived near Romney, WV Abbot Carder, grandfather, born about 1770, died about 1843, married third time to Edna (1795-1874), who was Hannah's mother William Carder (born about 1735, died 1801), wife Sarah died 1807 William and Sarah Carder moved from Culpeper County, Virginia to Hampshire County, WV before 1777. About 1798 William and Sarah left Hampshire County, WV and moved to Ross County, Ohio, where they both died. Some of their children had previously moved to Ohio. Abbot Carder was the only son of William and Sarah Carder to remain in West Virginia. He had a 200 acre farm on Grassy Lick Rd south of Romney. He was married 3 times and had 23 children. I just got this information from Ashley Carder in NC. I made a connection. LOL This is my first time. I am so happy.

James GARRETSON was born on 22 May 1798 in Virginia. His parents were John GARRETSON and Virginia ?. He was in Mercer County, Virginia from 1840 through 1870. He died on 23 Jun 1873 in Mercer County, West Virginia. He married Barbara (Surname unknown), and after her death married Lucretia BLANKENSHIP. His daughter Zurella married in Tazewll Co. VA. James GARRETSON and Barbara (GARRETSON) had the following children: i. Belinda GARRETSON b 1830 in Virginia. + ii. Zurella Svillia GARRISON b 24 Dec 1835 m. James Wilson JONES. ( my gg-grandparents) Tazewell Co, Virginia iii. James GARRETSON b 1838 in Virginia. d 17 May 1855 in Mercer County, Virginia. iv. Louisa GARRETSON b 1840 in Virginia. m William Harrison BLANKENSHIP had the following child: Lucinda BLANKENSHIP. James GARRETSON and Lucretia BLANKENSHIP b 1817 had the following children: i. Sarah GARRETSON b 1853 ii. James GARRETSON b 1855 iii. Jane GARRETSON b 1856 iv. William GARRETSON b 1857 v. Eliza GARRETSON b 1859 Most information in Mercer Co VA (now WV). Looking for info on James's parents and first wife, Barbara. Patti Marsden [email protected] Check out my New Web site: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/Zurella/PLM/plm.htm">PLM Roots</A> Here are my surnames: New Jersey: COOPER,  CORBY, COX,  MAYFIELD,   NOCK,  SELLEY, SKINNER New York: DEVOE, MARSDEN Virginia/West Virginia: BRIAN, COTTLE,    DOSS,  DUDLEY , DUNAGAN,  GARRETSON/GARRISON,  JONES ,  JORDAN,  KEY,  MARTAIN, MAYBERRY, SOBLET/SUBLET/SUBLOT, THOMPSON, WRIGHT

alison, I think that this man traveled in steerage ( the bottom of the ship) as so many did when then came over to the u.s. ] This diary shuld open everyone's eyes as to the hardships suffered not only after arriving--but just making the ocean voyage. thank you for sharing. Jo Ann Gibson I also have family that came from russia (german's living in Russia) though the underground. On the ship they were in steerage with the rats and spoiled food. >Ever wonder what it was like for your ancestors to travel across the ocean to get here? I was lucky enough that one of the passengers who came with my 6th great grandfather on the ship Osgood and arrived in Philadelphia on >Sept 29 1750, wrote down his experience. I have read it probably a hundred times and find it fascinating as well as humbling. This is supposed to be typical of the immigration experience during this time.

When I started working on the family tree I was given a handwritten list of ancestors passed on from a long dead aunt. It has proven very useful, but I still have two names I have had no luck finding any info on. Hannah Darr b 1827 in Cameron Marshall Co., VA She was married in 1847 to Jacob Howard. Anna Fortney (Pressinger) b 1815 in PA She married Jacob Matthews who died in Marshall Co., WV in 1881 so Anna may also have spent time in VA/WV. If these families are familiar please drop me a line. Thanks. Bill

Does anyone on the list know if there is going to be a Shay reunion this year[Aug.?] near Kingwood? Thanks in advance. Pat Lambert [ggrandaughter of Ella Shay]

All marriage occuring in Pocahontas County from the years 1822 - 1969 for brides whose surname starts withe the letter A. (TOTAL OF 381 RECORDS) have been posted and are searchable. If you are an Alderman, Arbogast, Auldridge, Adkison, or Anderson researcher. It is well worth a look. The records contain bride and groom date of marriage and source listing of which marriage book and what page the marriage is recorded on in Pocahontas County The url once again is http://www.genexchange.com/marriagereg3co.cfm?state=wv&county=pocahontas#Start Alison Martin County Coordinator Pocahontas County GenExchange (not to be confused with usgenweb whose coordinator is Diana Kinzer Heath)

Looking for parents of John and Jane, m in Monroe 1828, by 1850 are living in Kanawha Sandy in Fla Descendants of John Burdette 1 John Burdette b: 1805 in VA . +Jane Walker b: 1809 in VA m: 09 August 1828 in Monroe Co., VA .... 2 Delilah Burdette b: 1829 d: 15 November 1901 Alt. date: 1824 birth ........ +Charles Burdette b: 1828 m: 08 November 1849 in Kanawha Co., VA/WV d: 1911 Alt. date: 1821-1824 birth Father: William BURDETTE, Jr. .... 2 Malinda Burdette b: 1833 ........ +Henry Fisher m: 05 June 1855 in Kanawha Co., VA .... 2 Madison Burdette b: 1834 .... 2 Elizabeth L? Burdette b: 1835 .... 2 Margaritt Burdette b: 1838 .... 2 James A Burdette b: 1843 .... 2 Martha Burdette b: 1846 .... 2 Sarah Burdette b: 1848

This web site was created for the descendants of William Earl DODRILL (aka English Bill) (1750- ) English Bill Married Rebecca LEWIS [Daughterty] on July 23, 1782. The purpose of the web site is for researchers focused on this specific line to have a common place to share information. The site was created on myfamily.com and has storage for news, photos, family trees, etc. If you would like to join, email me at [email protected] Thanks, Mark Shives [A few of us descendants tried this with another one of my ancestors (Col. Isaac Gregory) and I think it's worked pretty well. So I thought I would try with this one.]

I assume that you mean Heritage of a Pioneer, by George Dodrill. I am descended from William Earl Dodrill. I also have a copy of the book. I am collecting a bit of information on "English Bill" but all of it is from secondary sources. -----Original Message----- From: Alison D. Martin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 4:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WVA-L] Doddridge/Dodrill Nicholas County Is there anyone researching the family of William Earl Doddridge/Dodrill. There is a book listed in the Mormon library index about him and his descendants, unfortunately, it is not on film. Does anyone own the book or does anyone have any info on William Earl (English Bill) Dodrill/Doddridge. I would like to know of his wife as well. Rebecca Dougherty. thanks for any help ______________________________

Every one in the World should know where Wireton W.va is now so lets drop it (please.) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WVA-L] Wireton???? > Sky, Wierton is a small city north of Wheeling in West Virginia. > > Karen in WV > > > ==== WVA Mailing List ==== > Adrianne Hopkins Listowner [email protected] > Need Help with your WVA lines? Check out the WVAGENWEB Project: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb >

>> >Weirton Junction West Virginia Brooke County >Weirton West Virginia Hancock County >Weirton Heights West Virginia Hancock County >Weirton West Virginia Hancock County >These are all of the same places just different areas of the town. The city of Weirton lies on the Hancock-Brooke county boarder in the northern panhandle of WV. The local hospital would be Weirton Medical Center which is Brooke County, but many area residents also go to Trinity Medical Center in Steubenville Ohio. Local newspaper is Weirton Daily Times also Wheeling News Register and Steubenville Herald Star. Hope that this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Skye <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 11:54 AM Subject: [WVA-L] Weirton Worked! >Hey Guys! > >Well, Weirton worked in the "find a city, county" search engine. >these are the ones that popped up...each one had a different long. and lat. >description. >Now to figure out which one it was he went to! > >Thanks again for everyone's help! >Skye > >Weirton Junction West Virginia Brooke County >Weirton West Virginia Hancock County >Weirton Heights West Virginia Hancock County >Weirton West Virginia Hancock County > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > >==== WVA Mailing List ==== >Adrianne Hopkins Listowner [email protected] >To Search the Archives for this List: >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Ever wonder what it was like for your ancestors to travel across the ocean to get here? I was lucky enough that one of the passengers who came with my 6th great grandfather on the ship Osgood and arrived in Philadelphia on Sept 29 1750, wrote down his experience. I have read it probably a hundred times and find it fascinating as well as humbling. This is supposed to be typical of the immigration experience during this time. Just thought I would share. The man who wrote it was Gottleib Mittelberger. "Both in Rotterdam and Amsterdam the people are packed densely like herrings so to say in the large sea-vessels. One person receives a place scarcely two feet wide and 6 feet in length in the bedstead, while many a ship carries four to six hundred souls; not to mention the innumberable implements, tools, provisions, water-barrels and other things which likewise occupy such space. On account of contrary winds it takes sometimes 2, 3, and 4 weeks to make the trip from Holland to England. But when the wind is good, they get there in 8 days or even sooner. Everything is examined there and the customs-duties paid, whence it comes that the ships ride there 8, 10 or 14 days and even longer at anchor. till they have taken their full cargoes. During that time, every one is compelled to spend his last remaining money and to consume his litte stock of provisions which had been reserved for the sea; so that most passengers, finding themselves on the ocean where they would be in greater need of them, must suffer from hunger and want. Many suffer want already on the water between Holland and Old England. When the ships have for the last time weighed their anchors near the city of Kaupp (Cowes) in Old England, the real misery begins with the long voyage. For from there, the ships, unless they have good wind, must often sail 8, 9, 10 to 12 weeks before they reach philadelphia. But even with the best winds the voyage lasts 7 weeks. But during the voyage, there is on board these ships terrible misery, stench fumes, horror, vomiting, many kinds of sea sickness, fever, dysentary, headache, heat, constipation, boils, scurvy, cancer, mouth rot, and the like, all of which come from old and sharply salted food and meat, also from very bad foul water, so that many die miserably. Add this to the want of provisions, hunger, thirst, frost, heat, dampness, anxiety, want, afflictions, and lamenations, together with other troubles as......the lice abound so frightfully, exspecially on sick people,. that they can be scraped off the body. The misery reaches a climax when a gale rages for 2 or 3 nights and days so that every one believes that the ship will go to the bottom with all the human beings on board. In such a visitation the people cry and pray most piteously. Children from 1 to 7 rarely survive the voyage. I witnessed misery in no less than 32 children in our ship, all who were thrown into the sea. The parents grieve all the more since their children find no resting place in earth but are devoured by the monsters of the sea. That most of the people get sick is not surprising, because, in addition to all other trials and hardships, warm food is only served three times a week the rations being very poor and very little. Such meals can hardly be eaten on account of being so unclean. The water which is served out of the ships is often black, thick, and full or worms, so that no one can drink it without loathing, even with the greatest thirst. Toward the end we are compelled to eat the ships biscuit which had spoiled long ago; though in a whole biscuit there was scarcely a piece the size of a dollar that had not been full of red worms and spiders nests. At length, when, after a long and tedious voyage. the ships come in sight of land. so that the promotories can be seen, which people were so eager and anxious to see, all creep from below on deck to see the land from afar and they weep for joy, and pray and sing, thanking and praising god. The sight of the land makes the people on board the ship, exspecially the sick and the half dead, alive again, that their hearts leap within them, they shout and rejoice and are content to bear their misery in patience, in hope that soon they will reach the land in safety But alas. When the ships have landed at philadelphia after their long voyage, no one is permitted to leave them except those who pay for their passage or can give good security; the others who cannot pay; must remain on board the ships til they are purchased and are released from the ships by their purchasers. the sick always fare worst, for the healthy are naturally purchased first; and so the sick and wretched must often remain on board in front of the city for 2 or 3 weeks and frequently die, whereas many a one , if he could pay his debt and were permitted to leave the ship immediately, may recover and remain alive The sale of human beings on board the ship is carried out thus. Every day, englishmen and dutchjmen and high german people come from the city of Philadelphia and other places, in part from great distance say 20 30 or even 40 hours away and go onboard a newly arrived ship that has brought and offers for sale passengers from Europe, and select among the healthy persons such as they deem suitable for buisness, and bargain with them how long they will serve for their passage money which most of themare still in debt for. When they have come to an agreement, it happens that adult persons bind themselves in writing to serve 3, 4, 5, or 6 years for the amount due by them according to their age and strength. But very young people from 10 to 15 years must serve til they are 21 years old. Many parents must sell or trade away their children like so many head of cattle; for their children take the debt upon themselves, the parenst can leave the ship free and unrestrained; but as the parents often do not know where and to what people their children are going , it often happens that such parents and children, after leaving the ship do not see each other again for many years and perhaps in all their lives. It often happens that entire families husband wife and children are separated by being sold to different purchasers, exspecially when they have not paid any part of their passage money. When a husband or wife dies at sea, when the ship has made more than half of her trip, the survivor must pay or serve not only for himself or herself but also for the deceased. When both parents have died over half way at sea, their children, exspecially when they are young and have nothing to pawn or pay, must stand for their own and their parents passage, and serve til they are 21 years old. When one has served his or her term, he or she is entitled to a new suit of clothes at parting and if it has been so stipulated, a man gets a horse and a woman, a cow. When a serf has an opporotunity to marry in this country, he or she must pay for each year which he or she would have yet to serve...5 or 6 pounds.

Can anyone shed some light on this little puzzle. My 3rd great grandmother was SALLY H. KELLISON . She married ELISHA MORRISON March 16 1876 in Pocahontas County West Virginia. Who are her parents. I have been told that a Dr. Daniel Kellison is her father. Could this be correct???? Second, who is this Elisha Morrison. The only Elisha Morrison that I am finding record of is an Elisha Morrison who is far older than Sally...and where I find him, I find a wife. His wifes name is Sarah. NO sally and sarah can not be the same people. They are listed in the census returns separately for the year 1870. Anyone know where my Sally came from and who is the Elisha Morrison she married first. They were only married for a max of 5 years as Mrs Sally H Morrison married Chesley Rodgers in 1881. Thanks Alison

This is an example of why I said this was rough. I started using the FTM software before I knew how------and haven't gone back to redo some of it. Sorry. But I thought people would rather use what they can and discard the rest, then not have it at all. Linda [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 7/15/99 8:32:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << 2 Benjamin Lewis b: Abt. 1745 d: 1817 in Mason Co. > ....... +Susannah Nickell b: Abt. 1755 d: 1837 in Mason Co. > ........ 3 William Lewis b: 1785 > ............ +Lucinda Clendenin > ........ 3 George Lewis>> > > ... 2 Benjamin Lewis > ........ 3 John Lewis > ........ 3 George Lewis > ........... +Margaret Winkleback > > Hi: > Notice you have two #2 Benjamins, with no indication of a second marriage. > I'm interested in the first Benjamin who married Susannah Nickells. Susannah > was a half-sister to Thomas Nickell and Isaac Nickell, sons of John Nickell. > > I descend from both men <grin> My Family Tree looks like a spiral and I have > memorizied all the words to *I'm My Own Grandpa*. 8-)) > > Would like to exchange info. And is your Benjamin one and the same person or > is it a mistake? > > Gloria > [email protected] > > ==== WVA Mailing List ==== > To keep free access to genealogical data, consider sending a donation to RootsWeb at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > -snip--- > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, computer questions, political announcements, current events, personal messages,flames, religious messages etc. (in other words - Spam) is NOT ALLOWED and > will be grounds for removal and exclusion from this mailing list. Spam crashes our servers and we have to take a stand. > ---snip---

This may be a little rough. Linda Descendants of George Lewis 1 George Lewis b: Abt. 1720 d: Abt. 1795 . +Mary or a Catherine Crawford ... 2 James Lewis ... 2 Matthias Lewis ... 2 Benjamin Lewis b: Abt. 1745 d: 1817 in Mason Co. ....... +Susannah Nickell b: Abt. 1755 d: 1837 in Mason Co. ........ 3 William Lewis b: 1785 ............ +Lucinda Clendenin ........ 3 George ... 2 John Lewis b: Abt. 1747 in Augusta Co. VA d: 1787 in Greenbrier Co. ....... +Mary McCleery Father: John MCCLEERY Mother: Agnes ? ... 2 [20] George Lewis, Jr. b: Abt. 1749 d: Abt. 1811 ....... +[21] Phebe ........ 3 [22] Hezekiah Lewis d: 1830 ............ +[23] Diana Oldner ... 2 [1] Rebecca Lewis b: Abt. 1755 in Augusta Co. VA ....... +[3] John Daugherty ... *2nd Husband of [1] Rebecca Lewis: ....... +[4] William Earl Dodrill b: Abt. 1750 ........ 3 [5] George Michael Dodrill b: April 24, 1783 ............ +[6] Elizabeth Ewing ........ 3 [2] Mary Doddrill b: Abt. 1784 ............ +[7] George Mollohan Jr. b: 1782 Father: George MOLLOHAN Mother: Nancy Hanks JONES ........ *2nd Husband of [2] Mary Doddrill: ............ +[8] George Mollohan, Jr. b: 1788 d: 1861 Father: George MOLLOHAN Mother: Nancy Agnes JONES ........ 3 [9] William Dodrill b: Abt. 1785 ........ 3 [10] Martha Dodrill b: Abt. October 01, 1789 ............ +[11] James Mollahan ........ 3 [12] John Dodrill b: Abt. 1792 ............ +[13] Margaret Lewis ........ 3 [14] Nancy Dodrill b: Abt. 1795 ............ +[15] Joshua Stephenson ........ 3 [16] James Dodrill b: Abt. 1797 ............ +[17] Elizabeth Gregory ........ 3 [18] Rebecca Dodrill b: Abt. 1800 ............ +[19] Adam Gregory ... 2 Benjamin Lewis ........ 3 John Lewis ........ 3 George Lewis ............ +Margaret Winkleback ... 2 [1] Rebecca Lewis b: Abt. 1755 in Augusta Co. VA ....... +[3] John Daugherty ... *2nd Husband of [1] Rebecca Lewis: ....... +[4] William Earl Dodrill b: Abt. 1750 ........ 3 [5] George Michael Dodrill b: April 24, 1783 ............ +[6] Elizabeth Ewing ........ 3 [2] Mary Doddrill b: Abt. 1784 ............ +[7] George Mollohan Jr. b: 1782 Father: George MOLLOHAN Mother: Nancy Hanks JONES ........ *2nd Husband of [2] Mary Doddrill: ............ +[8] George Mollohan, Jr. b: 1788 d: 1861 Father: George MOLLOHAN Mother: Nancy Agnes JONES ........ 3 [9] William Dodrill b: Abt. 1785 ........ 3 [10] Martha Dodrill b: Abt. October 01, 1789 ............ +[11] James Mollahan ........ 3 [12] John Dodrill b: Abt. 1792 ............ +[13] Margaret Lewis ........ 3 [14] Nancy Dodrill b: Abt. 1795 ............ +[15] Joshua Stephenson ........ 3 [16] James Dodrill b: Abt. 1797 ............ +[17] Elizabeth Gregory ........ 3 [18] Rebecca Dodrill b: Abt. 1800 ............ +[19] Adam Gregory ... 2 [20] George Lewis, Jr. b: Abt. 1749 d: Abt. 1811 ....... +[21] Phebe ........ 3 [22] Hezekiah Lewis d: 1830 ............ +[23] Diana Oldner Alison D. Martin wrote: > Is there anyone researching the family of William Earl > Doddridge/Dodrill. There is a book listed in the Mormon library > index about him and his descendants, unfortunately, it is not on > film. Does anyone own the book or does anyone have any info on > William Earl (English Bill) Dodrill/Doddridge. I would like to > know of his wife as well. Rebecca Dougherty. > > thanks for any help > > ==== WVA Mailing List ==== > To keep free access to genealogical data, consider sending a donation to RootsWeb at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > Need Help with your WVA lines? Check out the WVAGENWEB Project: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ > -snip--- > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, computer questions, political announcements, current events, personal messages,flames, religious messages etc. (in other words - Spam) is NOT ALLOWED and > will be grounds for removal and exclusion from this mailing list. Spam crashes our servers and we have to take a stand. > ---snip---