Jeff, I am a scientist by training, consequently statistical models and long odds are something I love to play with.? I agree with your observation that there is going to be an admixture of all haploid groups in all areas of England, and I did not mean to suggest that it was a simple task to develop a profile for the distribution of the R1b1 haplogroup in England.?? It is actually a very complex multidimensional task involving elements of time (# generations of good data), location vectors (movement?of ancestors within England), DNA pattern matching,?and luck.? The luck part has to do with getting enough?English Wright gentlemen with good knowledge of their ancestors to participate?so?that we have a large enough pool of?DNA data to perform meaningful vector probability analyses to try to find?locations in England that were?the likely seats of R1b1 haploid group Wrights in the 15th century.?? This is very much akin to what has been done in tracking the movement of?various haplogroups out of Africa and predicting their movements over the last million years, only on a more local scale and requiring the added dimensions of proven ancestry and?movement from?specific ancestral knowledge.? That is to say it requires?that the donors of the DNA samples also have good knowledge of?the movements of?their ancestors within England over the last 4 centuries that they are willing to share.? ?From the raw DNA data and vectoring analysis based on ancestral knowledge of in-country movements, we could possibly identify some "hot spots" in the 15th century where it would make more sense to start looking at local records than other spots. In addition to this very problematic DNA effort, I think there is another, more traditional research?avenue of effort that may pay dividends, but I don't see it being put into much play on the forums?regarding the Richard Wright family.? This discussion has to do with deepening our understanding of colonial history as a means of devising a productive research plan.??I think as genealogists?we sometimes overlook the importance of the big historical picture.? I am thinking specifically about our awareness and knowledge regarding?the movements of whole groups of people who moved to?specific parts of America at various times from various places within America, Barbados and England as a result of specific historical events.? There are no surnames attached to this type of knowledge, but the information can be invaluable in?the devising of?productive research plans on a specific surname.? There were many?historically known?events which affected settlement of the Carolinas long before the first Englishman, John Lawson, ever set eyes on the territory in 1700?that would eventually?become Rowan County, NC. For instance,?when the?Carolinas were created in 1663?by?Charles II out of?the lower part of the original Virginia?patent, he gave that land to?eight proprietors.??The most active of these proprietors in promoting population of?North?Carolina was the?1st Earl of Shaftsbury (Sir Anthony Ashely Cooper, 2nd Baronet), whose family seat was co. Dorset, England and the family of Sir?John Carteret, whose family seat(s) were in the Channel Islands of?Sark and Jersey.? However, prior to the efforts of these proprietors the?first settlers of the?North Carolina area had already been at the Albemarle?settlements (northeast coast,?Albemarle?Sound)?for 10 years.? These first settlers were made up of people who left Virginia, some New Englanders who had become disillusioned w! ith Congregationalist politics, and even?people who came over from Barbados. The ancestors of Richard Wright could have been among any one of these groups and conceivably?already been?in North Carolina as early 1653!?? Or they could have come from the second substantial settlement in the Carolinas.? This second?settlement was at Cape Fear in 1665,?established by Sir John Yeamans (ca 1610 - 1676), who was originally from Bristol, England,?but who had become a sugar plantation owner in Barbados, and came with some followers from there, by leave of the Carolina proprietors.??They established a town on the south bank of Cape Fear river.?? Although this Cape Fear river town did not survive and was abandoned in 1668, it did flourish for a time.? John Seamans returned to Barbados but we do not know?how many of the 800 who were once part of this initial settlement went with him and how many stayed.? In 1670?a neighboring area on the Ashley River occupied by three shiploads of?settlers from England under a charter given to John Yeamans, John Lock and James Carteret by the proprietors.? A year later?some Dutch from New York and others directly?from Holland arrived and joined in the settlement of?thi! s new?town, later to become Charleston, SC.? John Yeamans returned?from Barbados with the largest shipment of slaves to have been landed on the continent (ca 200) and took up a huge plantation (each?slave qualified him for an additional 100 acres of land) with the intention of repeating his plantation successes in?Barbados.? Among these early settlers of Charleston?were African?slaves,?English churchmen, New England Congregationalists, Scotch and Irish Presbyterians, Dutch and German Lutherans, Huguenots (especially in 1680-1688) from France and Switzerland, and a few Quakers.? There were Wright men among all these religious denominations and it is?certain that we do not know the names of very many of the three shiploads of English settlers who first came to the Ashley River settlement, nor of those who came there in the next 10 years?from New England,?and Holland and Switzerland, nor how many of the slaves took on their master's names in succeeding generations.? The ancestor of Richard Wright could have been among?any one of these early groups?so that we are seeking information and records in England and in?America that may go back at least as far as the early 1650s.??If we are limiting our searches to?1730 and later, we may be missing the real key to the puzzle.???? The later?historical?movements of settlers to various interior parts of the?Carolinas in the century following the establishment of these first two settlements?is something we must master?if we are going to have any hope of tracking backwards to find Richard Wright's family.? The?history of the settlement of the region around Salisbury, Rowan County, NC?is something I?do not know, but anyone serious about tracing Richard Wright should become?totally steeped in it. Unfortunately for the recreational genealogist this amount of self education is often a huge task, given the demands on our time for normal living?that we all have.? It would be?helpful to those?interested in research?on Carolina ancestors?if we could find?someone who is totally versed in the colonial history of North and South?Carolina and the Colonial era movements of?people there?who would be willing to share some of that knowledge with us.? Maybe a history professor at one of the universities could be persuaded to recommend some reading or write a tutorial for us.? I have found in researching my ancestors in England that it is almost impossible to make much headway in the absence of a thorough understanding?of the history of the times within which I am working.? I cannot imagine it would be much different for researchers of North and South Carolina ancestors, so I make this?last suggestion out of my experiences in English research in the hopes that it will spark a discussion of the early Carolina historical context?within which the Richard Wright researchers are laboring. In the mean time, I am pushing ahead with a little plan to call on a bunch of Wright men in?England, Scotland, Ireland and the Channel Islands?to solicit their participation in DNA testing via?FamilyTree tests.? I hope we can get enough takers to make it worth the effort in the long run.?? Best Regards, Mike Wright ? -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Wright <JeffWright@spro.net> To: wright@rootsweb.com; dwsbgs@centurytel.net Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Richard Wright Sr. - New Y-DNA results for a collateral line to Daniel Wright of Wethersfield! I agree with all you have said except for one section. It would be too easy to assume that only one line of Wrights originated from a particular area of England. The haplogroup does not elminate the possibility of several lines living within Essex or East Anglia. Since Wright is an occupation name and not a place name, it is very likely that there are 10, 20, or more lines from any particualar area. There is enough admixture of haplgroups in England and Northern Europe that it is unlikely they are geographically unique. Also, Richard Wright's haplogroup, R1b1, is the most common European halpgroup, so it is likely to be widely dispersed in the UK. We already have identified many unique DNA lines of Wrights in early Northern Neck VA, Bedford Co., VA, Trimble Co., KY, etc. I think that pattern will extend back in time as well. So, I agree with the plan to recruit as many Wrights from UK as possible in hopes of finding linkages to their American cousins, but would also keep the geographic origin open at this point too. Jeff Wright Wright DNA project co-coordinator ----- Original Message ----- From: <hardmba@aol.com> To: <wright@rootsweb.com>; <dwsbgs@centurytel.net> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 16:58 Subject: [WRIGHT] Richard Wright Sr. - New Y-DNA results for a collateral line to Daniel Wright of Wethersfield! > Hi Richard Wright Researchers, > > I think you all will all be interested to learn that we have now obtained > Y-DNA results for our first proven male line descendant of Thomas Wright > of Wethersfield, CT, the already proven?immigrant ancestor of Daniel > Wright (1674-1764) husband to Eleanor Benton of Wethersfield, CT.? > This?Daniel Wright has?oft-times?been proposed as the father of > Richard?Wright Sr. of Rowan County, NC.? These fresh Y-DNA results show > without a shred of doubt that Richard Wright, Sr.?of Rowan County, NC is > not the same man as Richard Wright,?the son of Daniel Wright and Eleanor > Benton.? These DNA data can be viewed at the Wright-DNA.org web site.? > > The male descendant of Wethersfield tested?out as belonging to?an entirely > different haploid group (related closely?to Deacon Samuel Wright of > Springfield/Northampton, MA) from the R1b1 haploid group?results for > the?three Richard Wright Sr. descendants for whom we have Y-DNA data.? > This means it is likely that?Richard Wright, Sr.'s?English > ancestors?didn't even come from the same region of England as the Wrights > of Wethersfield (West county Essex) and were not even of the same European > stock.??Richard Wright Sr.'s parents?could have been Welsh, Scottish or > Londoners, but almost certainly were not from East Anglia, England, though > we still?need Y-DNA results from proven male?descendants of Peter, Anthony > or Nicholas Wright of Long Island (descendants of the Kilverstone Wrights > of Co. Norfolk)?before we can?say categorically?that Richard Wright was > not likely from East Anglia, England.? Where he was from we still do not > know. > > However, these DNA data, in my mind, lay to rest for all time any notion > that Richard Wright Sr. of Rowan Co., NC was born in Connecticut to Daniel > and Eleanor (nee Benton) Wright.? Unfortunately, it does not help us take > any steps toward a better understanding of who?his parents?were and > where?he came from than we had before.? > > But I am thinking this is a problem that might be solved best by Y-DNA > testing of some willing Wright surname male candidates in Wales, the North > counties, Scotland and Ireland as a way of?getting a better map of > the?Wright?genetic landscape of England.? We would want men whose families > have been pretty much in the same general part of?England for 10 or more > generations or who know their ancestry well enough to know where their > families originated back to about the 1500's.?? > > A recruiting and DNA testing program focused?on English?men of Wright > surname?would?eventually bust through this brick wall?for Richard Wright > researchers by pin-pointing a region of England from whence the R1B1 > haploid group?is most likely to have come.??Once that was known, a more > thorough search of local/regional records would become a more doable task > that might reveal what you have all yearned to know for years.? Who was > Richard Wright Sr.?!! > > My hope is this news and these new DNA data will begin to turn the tide in > the speculation that this line of NC Wrights were originally from CT.? > Genetics says it isn't possible. > > Respectfully, > Mike Wright > > -----Original Message----- > From: herbert arkin <harkin@cfl.rr.com> > To: dwsbgs@centurytel.net; wright@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 3:05 pm > Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Herbert ARKIN > > > > go to the link and you will see! > > At 04:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: >>Cite your source for your statement with out sourcing it is only a guess. >>Bud. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: wright-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wright-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >>Behalf Of herbert arkin >>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:29 PM >>To: wright@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Richard Wright, Sr. and Richard Wright, Jr. >> >>PLEASE CORRECT THIS:: >> >>Daniel Wright and Eleanor Benton are NOT the parents of Richard Wright, >>Sr. >> >>see: >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~herbarkin/parents_of_richard_wright >>.htm >> >>thanx >> >> >>At 12:41 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: >> >Hello All, >> > >> >These I think are my ancestors. So here it goes. >> > >> >This is what I have. I more than know it still needs lots of sourcing. >>Input >> >is good. If I am wrong, or this needs corrections please tell me and the >> >list. >> > >> > >> >Husband Richard Wright >> >Born Abt 1720-1730 Weathersfield, Hartford, Connecticut Colony >> >Died 3 Sep 1784 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States >> >Buried Joppa Cemetery >> > >> >Father Daniel Wright (1674-1764) Mother Eleanor Benton (1674-1749) >> > >> >Marriage 1748 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States >> >Other Spouse Abigail Wigerly (Abt 1732-1785) 1748 - , Rowan, North >>Carolina, >> >United States >> > >> >Wife Elizabeth Jane Morgan >> >Born Abt 1732 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States >> >Died 1785 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States >> > >> > >> >Children >> > >> >Benjamin Wright >> >Born 1752 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States >> >Died 3 Oct 1837 or 1842 Trader's Point, Marion, Indiana, United States >> >Spouse Barbara Morgan ( -) >> > >> >Peter Wright >> >Born 1754 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States >> >Died Oct 1821 , Harrison, Indiana, United States >> > >> >Richard Wright >> >Born 1757 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States >> >Died 12 May 1833 , Davidson, North Carolina, United States >> >Spouse Nancy Morgan ( -) 1780 - , , North Carolina, United States >> > >> >John Wright >> >Born 5 Dec 1759 , , North Carolina, United States >> >Died 4 Oct 1844 , Washington, Indiana, United States >> >Spouse Nancy Gilstrap ( -) >> > >> >William R Wright >> >Born 25 Mar 1761 , Rowan, Or Guilford, , North Carolina, United States >> >Died Bef Sep 1838 , Washington, Indiana, United States >> >Buried , Washington, Indiana, United States >> >Wright Family Cemetery, Indiania, United States >> >Spouse Martha Betsy Morgan (1768-) 1787 - Guilford, North Carolina, >> >United >> >States >> > >> >Evans C Wright >> >Born Jan 1762 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States >> >Died 10 Feb 1846 Bevier, Macon, Missouri, United States >> >Buried Bevier, Macon, Missouri, United States >> >Banta Cemetery, Missouri, United States >> >Spouse Rebecca Summers (1774-1865) 1793 - , Wayne, Kentucky, United >> >States >> > >> >Amos Wright >> >Born 2 Mar 1764 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States >> >Died 14 Oct 1846 , Washington, Indiana, United States >> >Buried Washington, Washington, Indiana, United States >> >Old Mill Creek Cemetery, Indiana, United States >> >Spouse >> > >> >Philbert Wright >> >Born 29 Mar 1768 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States >> >Died 31 Jul 1855 , Washington, Indiana, United States >> > >> >Research Notes >> >DAR file >> >Research Notes (Wife) >> >possible daughter of James Morgan born 1732 >> >possible second wife Ann Isom >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: wright-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wright-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> >On >> >Behalf Of Susan J Avery >> >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:39 AM >> >To: wright@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Richard Wright, Sr. and Richard Wright, Jr. >> > >> >These Wrights are actually not mine, although at one time I thought they >> >were - they were definitely here in NC - I wanted to let you know >> >however >> >that the area that is now Davidson Co. and became Davidson Co. in 1823 >> >WAS Rowan Co. NC before that - so they did not move - the county changed >> >and they stayed in the same place. >> > >> >Susan Avery >> > >> >On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:53:20 -0000 "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" >> ><gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> writes: >> > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> > > >> > > Author: gragg021 >> > > Surnames: >> > > Classification: queries >> > > >> > > Message Board URL: >> > > >> > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/8086.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx >> > > >> > > Message Board Post: >> > > >> > > Donna - hello. I get the Wright messages now that I'm on the >> > > mailing list. Do you know of a Richard Wright,Sr. (and Jr.) of >> > > Rowan County, NC? Jr. later moved to Davidson Co., NC >> > > >> > > Through a land sale deed, I recently became aware of my Wright >> > > heritage, being the Great-granddaughter of Mary Ann Wright (Varker) >> > > AND her 23 siblings, Richard, Jr.'s children by his second wife, >> > > Cary Kittrell (believed to be of Davidson Co., although it seems the >> > > Kittrell family is more to the eastern side of NC). >> > > >> > > Richard married 1:Mary (or Jane) Morgan in 1780; d. abt 1798. Had >> > > 12 children (includes 1 set of twins): >> > > Sarah >> > > Amos >> > > Delilah >> > > Jane Caroline >> > > Cory >> > > Gizzeal >> > > Reuben >> > > Isaiah >> > > Elijah >> > > Nancy >> > > Isom >> > > Susannah >> > > >> > > Married 2: Cary (M. 1798). Children are: >> > > Clayton >> > > Ruth (married Jesse Gallimore, Esq.) >> > > Celia (m. Snider) >> > > Nelson >> > > Silas >> > > Burges(s) >> > > Mary Ann (my GGM) >> > > Micajah >> > > Miles >> > > Ailsy >> > > >> > > It is known from an article about Ruth Wright Gallimore that her >> > > mother, Cary, had 12 children; however, I can only account for 10. >> > > >> > > Some information on this Wright family was obtained from "Genealogy >> > > of the Wright Family" by Lillie White, Mar 1943), but I've found >> > > through my own research, that some of the book is in error. >> > > >> > > Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. >> > > >> > > Shirley >> > > >> > > Important Note: >> > > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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