Excellent letter. You mentioned possible reference books/authors: I would highly recommend "Carolina Cradle - Settlement of the Northwest Carolina Frontier, 1747 - 1762" by Robert W. Ramsey. While this book doesn't go as early as many might want/need or that you have pointed out is necessary, it covers exactly the kind of movements and migrations you are speaking about (in a still early time frame) which mixed and mingled our ancestors before sending them off on adventures unknown. On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:14:19 -0400 hardmba@aol.com writes: > Jeff, > > I am a scientist by training, consequently statistical models and > long odds are something I love to play with.? I agree with your > observation that there is going to be an admixture of all haploid > groups in all areas of England, and I did not mean to suggest that > it was a simple task to develop a profile for the distribution of > the R1b1 haplogroup in England.?? It is actually a very complex > multidimensional task involving elements of time (# generations of > good data), location vectors (movement?of ancestors within England), > DNA pattern matching,?and luck.? The luck part has to do with > getting enough?English Wright gentlemen with good knowledge of their > ancestors to participate?so?that we have a large enough pool of?DNA > data to perform meaningful vector probability analyses to try to > find?locations in England that were?the likely seats of R1b1 haploid > group Wrights in the 15th century.?? > > This is very much akin to what has been done in tracking the > movement of?various haplogroups out of Africa and predicting their > movements over the last million years, only on a more local scale > and requiring the added dimensions of proven ancestry and?movement > from?specific ancestral knowledge.? That is to say it requires?that > the donors of the DNA samples also have good knowledge of?the > movements of?their ancestors within England over the last 4 > centuries that they are willing to share.? ?From the raw DNA data > and vectoring analysis based on ancestral knowledge of in-country > movements, we could possibly identify some "hot spots" in the 15th > century where it would make more sense to start looking at local > records than other spots. > > In addition to this very problematic DNA effort, I think there is > another, more traditional research?avenue of effort that may pay > dividends, but I don't see it being put into much play on the > forums?regarding the Richard Wright family.? This discussion has to > do with deepening our understanding of colonial history as a means > of devising a productive research plan.??I think as genealogists?we > sometimes overlook the importance of the big historical picture.? I > am thinking specifically about our awareness and knowledge > regarding?the movements of whole groups of people who moved > to?specific parts of America at various times from various places > within America, Barbados and England as a result of specific > historical events.? There are no surnames attached to this type of > knowledge, but the information can be invaluable in?the devising > of?productive research plans on a specific surname.? > > There were many?historically known?events which affected settlement > of the Carolinas long before the first Englishman, John Lawson, ever > set eyes on the territory in 1700?that would eventually?become Rowan > County, NC. For instance,?when the?Carolinas were created in > 1663?by?Charles II out of?the lower part of the original > Virginia?patent, he gave that land to?eight proprietors.??The most > active of these proprietors in promoting population > of?North?Carolina was the?1st Earl of Shaftsbury (Sir Anthony Ashely > Cooper, 2nd Baronet), whose family seat was co. Dorset, England and > the family of Sir?John Carteret, whose family seat(s) were in the > Channel Islands of?Sark and Jersey.? However, prior to the efforts > of these proprietors the?first settlers of the?North Carolina area > had already been at the Albemarle?settlements (northeast > coast,?Albemarle?Sound)?for 10 years.? These first settlers were > made up of people who left Virginia, some New Englanders who had > become disillusioned w! > ith Congregationalist politics, and even?people who came over from > Barbados. The ancestors of Richard Wright could have been among any > one of these groups and conceivably?already been?in North Carolina > as early 1653!?? > > Or they could have come from the second substantial settlement in > the Carolinas.? This second?settlement was at Cape Fear in > 1665,?established by Sir John Yeamans (ca 1610 - 1676), who was > originally from Bristol, England,?but who had become a sugar > plantation owner in Barbados, and came with some followers from > there, by leave of the Carolina proprietors.??They established a > town on the south bank of Cape Fear river.?? Although this Cape Fear > river town did not survive and was abandoned in 1668, it did > flourish for a time.? John Seamans returned to Barbados but we do > not know?how many of the 800 who were once part of this initial > settlement went with him and how many stayed.? In 1670?a neighboring > area on the Ashley River occupied by three shiploads of?settlers > from England under a charter given to John Yeamans, John Lock and > James Carteret by the proprietors.? A year later?some Dutch from New > York and others directly?from Holland arrived and joined in the > settlement of?thi! > s new?town, later to become Charleston, SC.? John Yeamans > returned?from Barbados with the largest shipment of slaves to have > been landed on the continent (ca 200) and took up a huge plantation > (each?slave qualified him for an additional 100 acres of land) with > the intention of repeating his plantation successes in?Barbados.? > > Among these early settlers of Charleston?were > African?slaves,?English churchmen, New England Congregationalists, > Scotch and Irish Presbyterians, Dutch and German Lutherans, > Huguenots (especially in 1680-1688) from France and Switzerland, and > a few Quakers.? There were Wright men among all these religious > denominations and it is?certain that we do not know the names of > very many of the three shiploads of English settlers who first came > to the Ashley River settlement, nor of those who came there in the > next 10 years?from New England,?and Holland and Switzerland, nor how > many of the slaves took on their master's names in succeeding > generations.? > > The ancestor of Richard Wright could have been among?any one of > these early groups?so that we are seeking information and records in > England and in?America that may go back at least as far as the early > 1650s.??If we are limiting our searches to?1730 and later, we may be > missing the real key to the puzzle.???? > > The later?historical?movements of settlers to various interior parts > of the?Carolinas in the century following the establishment of these > first two settlements?is something we must master?if we are going to > have any hope of tracking backwards to find Richard Wright's > family.? The?history of the settlement of the region around > Salisbury, Rowan County, NC?is something I?do not know, but anyone > serious about tracing Richard Wright should become?totally steeped > in it. > > Unfortunately for the recreational genealogist this amount of self > education is often a huge task, given the demands on our time for > normal living?that we all have.? It would be?helpful to > those?interested in research?on Carolina ancestors?if we could > find?someone who is totally versed in the colonial history of North > and South?Carolina and the Colonial era movements of?people > there?who would be willing to share some of that knowledge with us.? > Maybe a history professor at one of the universities could be > persuaded to recommend some reading or write a tutorial for us.? > > I have found in researching my ancestors in England that it is > almost impossible to make much headway in the absence of a thorough > understanding?of the history of the times within which I am > working.? I cannot imagine it would be much different for > researchers of North and South Carolina ancestors, so I make > this?last suggestion out of my experiences in English research in > the hopes that it will spark a discussion of the early Carolina > historical context?within which the Richard Wright researchers are > laboring. > > In the mean time, I am pushing ahead with a little plan to call on a > bunch of Wright men in?England, Scotland, Ireland and the Channel > Islands?to solicit their participation in DNA testing via?FamilyTree > tests.? I hope we can get enough takers to make it worth the effort > in the long run.?? > > Best Regards, > Mike Wright > ? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Wright <JeffWright@spro.net> > To: wright@rootsweb.com; dwsbgs@centurytel.net > Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 6:24 pm > Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Richard Wright Sr. - New Y-DNA results for a > collateral line to Daniel Wright of Wethersfield! > > > > I agree with all you have said except for one section. It would be > too easy > to assume that only one line of Wrights originated from a particular > area of > England. The haplogroup does not elminate the possibility of > several lines > living within Essex or East Anglia. Since Wright is an occupation > name and > not a place name, it is very likely that there are 10, 20, or more > lines > from any particualar area. There is enough admixture of haplgroups > in > England and Northern Europe that it is unlikely they are > geographically > unique. > > Also, Richard Wright's haplogroup, R1b1, is the most common European > > halpgroup, so it is likely to be widely dispersed in the UK. > > We already have identified many unique DNA lines of Wrights in early > > Northern Neck VA, Bedford Co., VA, Trimble Co., KY, etc. I think > that > pattern will extend back in time as well. > > So, I agree with the plan to recruit as many Wrights from UK as > possible in > hopes of finding linkages to their American cousins, but would also > keep the > geographic origin open at this point too. > > Jeff Wright > Wright DNA project co-coordinator > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <hardmba@aol.com> > To: <wright@rootsweb.com>; <dwsbgs@centurytel.net> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 16:58 > Subject: [WRIGHT] Richard Wright Sr. - New Y-DNA results for a > collateral > line to Daniel Wright of Wethersfield! > > > > Hi Richard Wright Researchers, > > > > I think you all will all be interested to learn that we have now > obtained > > Y-DNA results for our first proven male line descendant of Thomas > Wright > > of Wethersfield, CT, the already proven?immigrant ancestor of > Daniel > > Wright (1674-1764) husband to Eleanor Benton of Wethersfield, CT.? > > > This?Daniel Wright has?oft-times?been proposed as the father of > > Richard?Wright Sr. of Rowan County, NC.? These fresh Y-DNA results > show > > without a shred of doubt that Richard Wright, Sr.?of Rowan County, > NC is > > not the same man as Richard Wright,?the son of Daniel Wright and > Eleanor > > Benton.? These DNA data can be viewed at the Wright-DNA.org web > site.? > > > > The male descendant of Wethersfield tested?out as belonging to?an > entirely > > different haploid group (related closely?to Deacon Samuel Wright > of > > Springfield/Northampton, MA) from the R1b1 haploid group?results > for > > the?three Richard Wright Sr. descendants for whom we have Y-DNA > data.? > > This means it is likely that?Richard Wright, Sr.'s?English > > ancestors?didn't even come from the same region of England as the > Wrights > > of Wethersfield (West county Essex) and were not even of the same > European > > stock.??Richard Wright Sr.'s parents?could have been Welsh, > Scottish or > > Londoners, but almost certainly were not from East Anglia, > England, though > > we still?need Y-DNA results from proven male?descendants of Peter, > Anthony > > or Nicholas Wright of Long Island (descendants of the Kilverstone > Wrights > > of Co. Norfolk)?before we can?say categorically?that Richard > Wright was > > not likely from East Anglia, England.? Where he was from we still > do not > > know. > > > > However, these DNA data, in my mind, lay to rest for all time any > notion > > that Richard Wright Sr. of Rowan Co., NC was born in Connecticut > to Daniel > > and Eleanor (nee Benton) Wright.? Unfortunately, it does not help > us take > > any steps toward a better understanding of who?his parents?were > and > > where?he came from than we had before.? > > > > But I am thinking this is a problem that might be solved best by > Y-DNA > > testing of some willing Wright surname male candidates in Wales, > the North > > counties, Scotland and Ireland as a way of?getting a better map of > > > the?Wright?genetic landscape of England.? We would want men whose > families > > have been pretty much in the same general part of?England for 10 > or more > > generations or who know their ancestry well enough to know where > their > > families originated back to about the 1500's.?? > > > > A recruiting and DNA testing program focused?on English?men of > Wright > > surname?would?eventually bust through this brick wall?for Richard > Wright > > researchers by pin-pointing a region of England from whence the > R1B1 > > haploid group?is most likely to have come.??Once that was known, a > more > > thorough search of local/regional records would become a more > doable task > > that might reveal what you have all yearned to know for years.? > Who was > > Richard Wright Sr.?!! > > > > My hope is this news and these new DNA data will begin to turn the > tide in > > the speculation that this line of NC Wrights were originally from > CT.? > > Genetics says it isn't possible. > > > > Respectfully, > > Mike Wright > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: herbert arkin <harkin@cfl.rr.com> > > To: dwsbgs@centurytel.net; wright@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 3:05 pm > > Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Herbert ARKIN > > > > > > > > go to the link and you will see! > > > > At 04:00 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: > >>Cite your source for your statement with out sourcing it is only a > guess. > >>Bud. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: wright-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:wright-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > >>Behalf Of herbert arkin > >>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:29 PM > >>To: wright@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Richard Wright, Sr. and Richard Wright, Jr. > >> > >>PLEASE CORRECT THIS:: > >> > >>Daniel Wright and Eleanor Benton are NOT the parents of Richard > Wright, > >>Sr. > >> > >>see: > >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~herbarkin/parents_of_richard_w right > >>.htm > >> > >>thanx > >> > >> > >>At 12:41 PM 3/20/2008, you wrote: > >> >Hello All, > >> > > >> >These I think are my ancestors. So here it goes. > >> > > >> >This is what I have. I more than know it still needs lots of > sourcing. > >>Input > >> >is good. If I am wrong, or this needs corrections please tell me > and the > >> >list. > >> > > >> > > >> >Husband Richard Wright > >> >Born Abt 1720-1730 Weathersfield, Hartford, Connecticut Colony > >> >Died 3 Sep 1784 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States > >> >Buried Joppa Cemetery > >> > > >> >Father Daniel Wright (1674-1764) Mother Eleanor Benton > (1674-1749) > >> > > >> >Marriage 1748 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States > >> >Other Spouse Abigail Wigerly (Abt 1732-1785) 1748 - , Rowan, > North > >>Carolina, > >> >United States > >> > > >> >Wife Elizabeth Jane Morgan > >> >Born Abt 1732 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States > >> >Died 1785 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States > >> > > >> > > >> >Children > >> > > >> >Benjamin Wright > >> >Born 1752 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States > >> >Died 3 Oct 1837 or 1842 Trader's Point, Marion, Indiana, United > States > >> >Spouse Barbara Morgan ( -) > >> > > >> >Peter Wright > >> >Born 1754 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States > >> >Died Oct 1821 , Harrison, Indiana, United States > >> > > >> >Richard Wright > >> >Born 1757 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States > >> >Died 12 May 1833 , Davidson, North Carolina, United States > >> >Spouse Nancy Morgan ( -) 1780 - , , North Carolina, United > States > >> > > >> >John Wright > >> >Born 5 Dec 1759 , , North Carolina, United States > >> >Died 4 Oct 1844 , Washington, Indiana, United States > >> >Spouse Nancy Gilstrap ( -) > >> > > >> >William R Wright > >> >Born 25 Mar 1761 , Rowan, Or Guilford, , North Carolina, United > States > >> >Died Bef Sep 1838 , Washington, Indiana, United States > >> >Buried , Washington, Indiana, United States > >> >Wright Family Cemetery, Indiania, United States > >> >Spouse Martha Betsy Morgan (1768-) 1787 - Guilford, North > Carolina, > >> >United > >> >States > >> > > >> >Evans C Wright > >> >Born Jan 1762 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States > >> >Died 10 Feb 1846 Bevier, Macon, Missouri, United States > >> >Buried Bevier, Macon, Missouri, United States > >> >Banta Cemetery, Missouri, United States > >> >Spouse Rebecca Summers (1774-1865) 1793 - , Wayne, Kentucky, > United > >> >States > >> > > >> >Amos Wright > >> >Born 2 Mar 1764 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States > >> >Died 14 Oct 1846 , Washington, Indiana, United States > >> >Buried Washington, Washington, Indiana, United States > >> >Old Mill Creek Cemetery, Indiana, United States > >> >Spouse > >> > > >> >Philbert Wright > >> >Born 29 Mar 1768 , Rowan, North Carolina, United States > >> >Died 31 Jul 1855 , Washington, Indiana, United States > >> > > >> >Research Notes > >> >DAR file > >> >Research Notes (Wife) > >> >possible daughter of James Morgan born 1732 > >> >possible second wife Ann Isom > >> > > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: wright-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:wright-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >> >On > >> >Behalf Of Susan J Avery > >> >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:39 AM > >> >To: wright@rootsweb.com > >> >Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Richard Wright, Sr. and Richard Wright, > Jr. > >> > > >> >These Wrights are actually not mine, although at one time I > thought they > >> >were - they were definitely here in NC - I wanted to let you > know > >> >however > >> >that the area that is now Davidson Co. and became Davidson Co. > in 1823 > >> >WAS Rowan Co. NC before that - so they did not move - the county > changed > >> >and they stayed in the same place. > >> > > >> >Susan Avery > >> > > >> >On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:53:20 -0000 "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" > >> ><gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> writes: > >> > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this > mailing list. > >> > > > >> > > Author: gragg021 > >> > > Surnames: > >> > > Classification: queries > >> > > > >> > > Message Board URL: > >> > > > >> > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/8086.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx > >> > > > >> > > Message Board Post: > >> > > > >> > > Donna - hello. I get the Wright messages now that I'm on > the > >> > > mailing list. Do you know of a Richard Wright,Sr. (and Jr.) > of > >> > > Rowan County, NC? Jr. later moved to Davidson Co., NC > >> > > > >> > > Through a land sale deed, I recently became aware of my > Wright > >> > > heritage, being the Great-granddaughter of Mary Ann Wright > (Varker) > >> > > AND her 23 siblings, Richard, Jr.'s children by his second > wife, > >> > > Cary Kittrell (believed to be of Davidson Co., although it > seems the > >> > > Kittrell family is more to the eastern side of NC). > >> > > > >> > > Richard married 1:Mary (or Jane) Morgan in 1780; d. abt 1798. > Had > >> > > 12 children (includes 1 set of twins): > >> > > Sarah > >> > > Amos > >> > > Delilah > >> > > Jane Caroline > >> > > Cory > >> > > Gizzeal > >> > > Reuben > >> > > Isaiah > >> > > Elijah > >> > > Nancy > >> > > Isom > >> > > Susannah > >> > > > >> > > Married 2: Cary (M. 1798). Children are: > >> > > Clayton > >> > > Ruth (married Jesse Gallimore, Esq.) > >> > > Celia (m. Snider) > >> > > Nelson > >> > > Silas > >> > > Burges(s) > >> > > Mary Ann (my GGM) > >> > > Micajah > >> > > Miles > >> > > Ailsy > >> > > > >> > > It is known from an article about Ruth Wright Gallimore that > her > >> > > mother, Cary, had 12 children; however, I can only account > for 10. > >> > > > >> > > Some information on this Wright family was obtained from > "Genealogy > >> > > of the Wright Family" by Lillie White, Mar 1943), but I've > found > >> > > through my own research, that some of the book is in error. > >> > > > >> > > Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. > >> > > > >> > > Shirley > >> > > > >> > > Important Note: > >> > > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this > list. 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