This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MichaelWright12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16548.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I agree with HarryS170. The 37 marker Y-DNA test is an excellent place to start. However, I am going to hazard a guess and say that he will come back as haploid R1b1 and you will find that he is in a pool of dozens of separate Wright lines, probably all by himself. That is to say, Hazen Wayne Wrigth's son will have his own line and not match any other Wright in the database at 37 markers. If that is the case, there is absolutely no reason to spend the extra money to go beyond 37 markers. If the test results prove I am wrong about the haploid or the match with others in the database, I would like to hear from you again about the results. Good luck with the testing. I know it isn't always easy getting distant family members to participate and you have probably worked very hard to get to this point. There were lots of related Irish who came to this country in separate circumstances, so I hope you do find a match in the database, but if you don't, I would like to discuss with you what the results might be able to tell you about his deeper Irish roots. Best Regards Mike Wright Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I've been reading these posts with great interest. I've not researched DNA and from the tone of this post it doesn't seem to be such a great thing to do since there are so many lines for a possible hit. Am I missing something? 37 markers are referred too often, how high can you go? I've tracked my grandfathers line, Henry A. Wright b.1875 SC, d.1910 SC, back to Robert Wright b. 1780 NC., then hit the wall! DNA is very interesting but I'm not so sure it's advanced enough yet. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MichaelWright12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16548.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I agree with HarryS170. The 37 marker Y-DNA test is an excellent place to start. However, I am going to hazard a guess and say that he will come back as haploid R1b1 and you will find that he is in a pool of dozens of separate Wright lines, probably all by himself. That is to say, Hazen Wayne Wrigth's son will have his own line and not match any other Wright in the database at 37 markers. If that is the case, there is absolutely no reason to spend the extra money to go beyond 37 markers. If the test results prove I am wrong about the haploid or the match with others in the database, I would like to hear from you again about the results. Good luck with the testing. I know it isn't always easy getting distant family members to participate and you have probably worked very hard to get to this point. There were lots of related Irish who came to this country in separate circumstances, so I hope you do find a match in the database, but if you don't, I would like to discuss with you what the results might be able to tell you about his deeper Irish roots. Best Regards Mike Wright Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rich, I'll let others more informed answer your question about the DNA testing but I would be very interested in your Robert Wright, b 1780 NC as that is supposedly the name of my great great great grandfather and North Carolina is where he lived for a time. I also have a lot of information on various Robert Wrights of that time period. My email address is [email protected] Jerry Sue (Wright) Jordan, aka Susie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich Wright Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:29 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing I've been reading these posts with great interest. I've not researched DNA and from the tone of this post it doesn't seem to be such a great thing to do since there are so many lines for a possible hit. Am I missing something? 37 markers are referred too often, how high can you go? I've tracked my grandfathers line, Henry A. Wright b.1875 SC, d.1910 SC, back to Robert Wright b. 1780 NC., then hit the wall! DNA is very interesting but I'm not so sure it's advanced enough yet. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MichaelWright12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16548.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I agree with HarryS170. The 37 marker Y-DNA test is an excellent place to start. However, I am going to hazard a guess and say that he will come back as haploid R1b1 and you will find that he is in a pool of dozens of separate Wright lines, probably all by himself. That is to say, Hazen Wayne Wrigth's son will have his own line and not match any other Wright in the database at 37 markers. If that is the case, there is absolutely no reason to spend the extra money to go beyond 37 markers. If the test results prove I am wrong about the haploid or the match with others in the database, I would like to hear from you again about the results. Good luck with the testing. I know it isn't always easy getting distant family members to participate and you have probably worked very hard to get to this point. There were lots of related Irish who came to this country in separate circumstances, so I hope you do find a match in the database, but if you don't, I would like to discuss with you what the results might be able to tell you about his deeper Irish roots. Best Regards Mike Wright Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rich, I am very concerned that my comments/posts have shed a dim light on Y-DNA testing as a useful tool in genealogy, and discouraged you from participating. That is never my intent. If I had my way, every man in the world would be tested to 37 markers. Then, none of us would have a problem tracing our family histories. The most markers that we can test for now is 67, but the extra 30 markers only become useful within matching family groups, and until you find a match in the database, they don't really do you any good in sorting out kinships. Y-DNA It is one of the most powerful tools we have today in genealogical research, and it is a fairly well advanced science compared to what it was just five years ago. Part of the power of it as a genealogical tool is directly related to the number of participants that we have to compare to. The more that participate, the more powerful a tool it becomes and this is nowhere more true than for those in the R1b1 haploid group. The problem with our Irish friends is that almost the entire island of Irishmen are in the R1b1 haploid. This haploid is so old that it has spread almost totally uniformly throughout the British Isles. The root stock of this haploid is over 45,000 years old and the British Isle versions of it are at least 10,000 years old, having originated in the Basque country of Spain, the so-called "last ice age refuge" of the human race between 15,000 and 13,000 years ago. People from this region began migrating up the Atlantic coast 10,000 years ago as the glacier sheet began retreating north. They walked into Southern Ireland and England when the islands were still connected to Europe by a land bridge due to the low sea levels. For thousands of years no other people came to Ireland and England except these people and once the land bridges disappeared under the sea, they were isolated to the lands they could travel to by foot, horse or small ship. Within a couple more thousand years they had spread out to every corner of their respective islands and begun to develop their own distinctive subclads within the R1b1 haploid. It is this blanket uniformity of the R1b1 haploid, with only slight genetic variation which makes it so difficult to define kinships or English originals within that particular haploid. But, much to my personal delight, this is a problem that hardly any other haploid found in England shares. All the other haploids there are of much more recent vintage, and therefore, stand out in geographic distribution like little beacons spotted here and there out across the native blanket background of the R1b1 haplogroup. It was not until just before the birth of Christ that anything significant changed in the population composition of either Ireland or England. Beginning with English contact with the Roman world in 43 B.C. small numbers of new haploid groups began to enter Britain. Eventually, by 49 C.E. Rome had substantially occupied the island of Britain bringing with them men of many different haploid groups as part of their armies. My own line of Wright men is a product of that introduction of foriegn blood by the Romans. We are descended from Roman mercenary soldiers from the Dardanian tribe of Thrace. The Dardanians lived on the western boarder of Thrace/ Eastern boarder of Illyria in the Roman Province of Moesia Superior. This is an area that now lies between Pec and Prestinia, Kosovo. Men from this tribe signed on for a 25 year hitch in the Roman army as javelin wielding cavalrymen in the Equestrian auxiliary troops attached to the Regular Roman Legions. The Romans considered them barbarians, but damn good fighting men. They put in their military service time and at its end were granted full Roman citizenship for themselves and their sons. They were given lands sufficient to support them in retirement in whatever country they chose to take up residence. In the case of my ancestors, who came to Britain sometime between 79 C.E. and 135 C.E, probably as part of the Thracian auxiliary attached to Legion XX, it was the Colchester area where he retired, which is in the area that much later would become the county of Essex, England. I can speculate this with some pretty good confidence because our haploid, E1b1b1a2, is found in only small discrete pocket areas of England which happen to correspond to the movement of Thracian Troops attached to the Roman Army within England between 49 C.E. and 211 C.E. We were few in number to start with, and only had about 800 years to multiply, diversify and spread out before William the Conqueror's minions gave us a surname that has followed the male lines for the last 1,000 years. Since spreading out in the days of foot and horse took a very long time, our family haplogroup is found 1400 years after first arriving in England (i.e. 1600) in an area little more than the size of the state of Connecticut. How this relates to the Irish is unique in population genetics. The key historical fact is that the Romans never set foot on Ireland. As a result none of the genetic haploid diversity that you find on the English island is present in Ireland. It was not until long after the Romans left England that any significant population migrations began to enter Ireland. So genetically speaking, they are a largely pure race of men being nearly all R1b1. That is not to say everyone in Ireland is R1b1, but for those that are not, there is a definite story of later migration from England, Normandy, Norway, Denmark or Sweden to be uncovered that we have a shot at finding some records for because it happened so late in pre-historic times. So if this Wright descendant is something other than R1b1, there should be an interesting story behind the family origins prior to Ireland, and if he is R1b1 and does match someone else already in the database, they may both be throwing each other a lifeline to help each other figure out what part of Ireland they came from and who else in their family group might be still be in Ireland. Only in this case would upgrading to 67 markers make some sense. On the other hand, if they match no one in the data base, then we have a waiting game to play hoping that someone from one of the branches of the family eventually steps forward to take the test and provide a collaborative body of family history that will help them with their Irish origins work. If the testing is done through FTDNA (www.familytreedna.com) then they will also be given the opportunity to get in contact with dozens of men who match them genetically at 12, 25 or 37 markers, but whose surnames are not Wright. This can be as useful and fruitful a contact as any that occur within the Wright surname. These will be their more ancient relatives from before 1086 C.E, since the assignment of surnames in 1086 did not take into account any extended family relationships. You were named for your work, your living place, or some other unique attribute that was characteristic of your immediate family, and your 5th cousin, whom you may or may not have known you were related to, would get an entirely different surname based on his trade, skill or living place. In such cases you have two different surname lines within the same genetic line. Happens extensively in the R1b1 haploid. Happens only very rarely in any other haploid. For instance, I have only 3 matches of other surnames in my E1b1b1a2 haploid. I have an R1b1 friend who has over 300 matches at 12 markers. and nearly 100 at 25 markers. He has used his contact with those other surname people and what they knew about their family origins to pinpoint an area in Wales that his branch of the Genetic family is most likely to have lived about the time they were given their surname. At least he now knows what small, manageable part of England to concentrate his document search on and he got there even though he is all alone in the Wright data base and has not a Wright soul to talk to. So you see, DNA work is about much more than surname tracing and using colleagues with your surname as resources and collaborators. This is about making use of a tool that can extend your reach beyond your own surname to make use of information other surname researchers have gathered about the origins of their families with the assurance that you are related to them closely enough to trust that their information has a good chance of having some bearing on your own family's migration pattern. Please reconsider participating. Even if you match no one of your own surname in the database, there is no doubt you will match someone in some surname. Maybe that will be the crack in your brick wall that gets you on your way again. Best Regards, Mike Wright -----Original Message----- From: Rich Wright <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:28 am Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing I've been reading these posts with great interest. I've not researched DNA and from the tone of this post it doesn't seem to be such a great thing to do since there are so many lines for a possible hit. Am I missing something? 37 markers are referred too often, how high can you go? I've tracked my grandfathers line, Henry A. Wright b.1875 SC, d.1910 SC, back to Robert Wright b. 1780 NC., then hit the wall! DNA is very interesting but I'm not so sure it's advanced enough yet. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MichaelWright12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16548.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I agree with HarryS170. The 37 marker Y-DNA test is an excellent place to start. However, I am going to hazard a guess and say that he will come back as haploid R1b1 and you will find that he is in a pool of dozens of separate Wright lines, probably all by himself. That is to say, Hazen Wayne Wrigth's son will have his own line and not match any other Wright in the database at 37 markers. If that is the case, there is absolutely no reason to spend the extra money to go beyond 37 markers. If the test results prove I am wrong about the haploid or the match with others in the database, I would like to hear from you again about the results. Good luck with the testing. I know it isn't always easy getting distant family members to participate and you have probably worked very hard to get to this point. There were lots of related Irish who came to this country in separate circumstances, so I hope you do find a match in the database, but if you don't, I would like to discuss with you what the results might be able to tell you about his deeper Irish roots. Best Regards Mike Wright Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message