This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: WRIGHT Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16555/mb.ashx Message Board Post: WRIGHT Albert J 1919-1970 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 216,340 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rainybeach Surnames: Wright Ikirt McCain Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16554/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My great Grandfather, Samuel J. Wright, was born about 1833, he lists birthplaces as NY and Michigan on various census. In 1860 and 1870 he is living in Butte County, California, as a Gold Miner and then as a Blacksmith, and father of 5 by 1880. In 1881 he passes away, (age 48) leaving his widow, Silvy J. (Ikirt) Wright with five young children. Silvy or Silvia is dau of John and Catherine (McCain) Ikirt, John Ikirt is living with Sam in CA. Silvy takes my grandfather Bertie (Bertram Samuel Wright born 1877) and his sister Gertie as youngsters in 1883 to an orphanage in Vallejo, California, where Silvy reports that Sam's family is in Newark, Licking County, Ohio, (a very specific location I might add) and that his family originally immigrated from Scotland. I am not sure if this is correct of course as she says there is an estate in Scotland.... Baby Pearl joins her sibs later in the orphanage. Silvy disappears and her father dies. Samuel Wright is on the 1860-1880 census' in California. My Mother was Marylou Wright born 1927 died 1978 (age 51), Sam is her grandfather, he is the last great grandfather I am researching as I have located much information about all my other great grandfathers. Sam is near and dear to my heart as Wright is my mothers maiden name. The desire to find Sam's family is tremendous. Since Samuel J Wright was in Newark, OH likely in the 1850's but misses the census I am looking to communicate with someone who is studying the various Wright families in Newark, OH or New York or Michigan so I can find out which Wright family may be Sam's. If anyone is researching any of these possible Wright families and has a Samuel go missing we could be related. Thank you so much for looking in your records and for your consideration. Jill O'Neall Ching Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rainybeach Surnames: Wright Ikirt McCain Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16329.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I missed this reply of yours, I am so sorry. Thank you for clearing up info on this Samuel Wright. MY Sam Wright is in CA by 1860 census and dies there in 1881 at age of 48. He leaves 5 young children. MY branch is the only one I have found to have any descendants as his 3 daughters go childless. Sam's oldest son Lute or Luther (b 1871) is elusive and I do not find him again,do not know if he has descendants. I am currently all over the web trying to find Sam's family before CA. Sam marries Silvy or Silvia Ikirt, dau of John Ikirt and Catherine McCain in CA. by 1870. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rainybeach Surnames: Wright Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/26.2250/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You mention a son ... Samuel Wright... by chance is he born about 1832-33? Does he leave the family? I am looking for such a Sam....thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: WRIGHT Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16553/mb.ashx Message Board Post: WRIGHT Ruby 1916-1987 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 216,340 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MichaelWright12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16534.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sue, If you are able to trace back your Wright lineage to Judge Josiah Wright of Pownal, VT, then you should know that you are distantly related to the Wright brothers, Orville and Wilbur Wright, also Ethan Allen of the Green Mountain Boys, NY Gov. Silas Wright (1844-46) and Nancy Reagan all trace their ancestries back to the sons of immigrant father, Deacon Samuel Wright of Springfield and Northampton. If you give me your lineage back to Josiah Wright, I can prepare a cousin chart for you that will show you what our relationship is and of yours to Wilbur and Orville, Ethan Allen, etc. Mike Wright Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ClaireCann Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/379.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is a very old post - - I too am looking for the parents of Martha Jane Wright. Did you ever make any progress on this? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: S_Monzo Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16534.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Cousin, I thank you for all the wonderful information regardin Josiah, I have him in my tree as a great grandfather 5 times. The Wright tree can really get tangled and it is nice to know Im on the right track. Thanks again. Cousin Sue!!! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

  CHRONICLES OF THE SCOTCH IRISH SETTLEMENT OF VA VOL. 2 PP 500-512 John Wright's Declaration, July 16th, 1832: Age 76; enlisted in 1778 in Capt. Burleigh's Company in the Third Virginia Regiment commanded by Col. Taylor. Thomas Landes testifies that he belonged to the same company. William Smith filed his Declaration November, 1832. John Richardson filed his Declaration March, 1832. Stephen Hook filed his Declaration January, 1833. John Kinkead filed his Declaration November, 1833. Jacob Persinger filed his Declaration November, 1833. Charles King filed his Declaration November, 1833. Jacob Hoover's Declaration, July, 1823: Enlisted in Pennsylvania under Capt. Baker in the Fourth Regiment of Colonel Richard Butler. Jacob Persinger's Declaration, April 15th, 1833: Age 84; enlisted in 1775 under Capt. Mathew Arbuckle, First Lieut. Andrew Wallace, Second Lieut. _____ Wood, Third Lieut. John Galloway, Ensign Samuel Walker Regiment of Major Nevice served one year at Point Pleasant; was a citizen of Botetourt (now Alleghany).

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MichaelWright12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16545.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Glenn, Non-subscribers to Ancestry.com can access the Message Boards and respond for free but they have to register a user name first(which is still free). Non-subscribers can access the search indexes, but can not access the detailed listings or the images. Mike Wright Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: map2knit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16545.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Cathy: I've been a long-time subscriber to Ancestry.com, so I can't remember now if non-subscribers have access even to these message boards. However, in case the message boards are still free, and you're not a paid subscriber, here is a list of the indexes and/or images I'm using in my database: Alabama Deaths, 1908-59 Army Enlistments, 1798-1914 California Birth Index, 1905-1995 California Death Index, 1940-1997 California Divorce Index, 1966-1984 California Marriage Index, 1960-1985 California Voter Registrations, 1900-1968 Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Civil War Service Records England & Wales birth, marriage and death indexes Florida Death Index, 1877-1998 Indiana Marriage Collection, 1800-1941 Nevada Marriage Index, 1966-2005 New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 North Carolina Death Collection, 1908-1996 Oregon Death Index, 1903-98 Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837 Salt Lake County Probate Court. Civil and Criminal Case Files, 1852-1887 Social Security Death Index Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997 U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 U.S. Civil War Soldiers, 1861-1865 U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 U.S. Census records (I have these broken down by year, state and county.) Virginia Marriages, 1740-1850 World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 (The subscription cost is somewhat steep overall, but not, I suppose, for what all we get. Cost is $323.35 per year (as of my renewal last month. Subscription is automatically renewed, but you can opt out when they email with a renewal notice.) My list above barely scratches the surface of what is available and is there to encourage you to subscribe. Cheers, Glenn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: WRIGHT Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16551/mb.ashx Message Board Post: WRIGHT Albert J Jr 1942-1982 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 216,340 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Lace_Lynch Surnames: Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16550/mb.ashx Message Board Post: FRAZEYSBURG, Ohio: William J. Wright, 78, of Newark, Ohio died Monday, August 9, 2010 at his home. Born July 22, 1932 in Nellie, Ohio, he was the son of the late Walter J. and Margaret E. (Smith) Wright and was a graduate of Warsaw High School. Mr. Wright attended The Ohio State University and he was a United States Navy veteran serving during the Korean War. He retired in 1985 from Rockwell International in Heath, Ohio where he was U. A. W. Union Steward. Bill loved to travel and after his retirement he became a tour coordinator for Eagle Rock Tours. He was a member and current president of the U. A. W. Local 1037 Retirees Club, the U. S. S. Philippine Sea (CV-47) Association, a lifetime member of V. F. W. Post 1060, Crusaders Lodge #720, F. & A. M., a member of the executive board of Moundbuilders Babe Ruth Baseball League; U. A. W. Region 2-B retiree executive board, Newark Eagles Lodge # 387 and the Teheran Grotto. As a former resident of Frazeysburg, Ohio, he served the village as Mayor. Surviving are three brothers, David (Peggy) Wright of Frazeysburg, Jerry (Alice) Wright of Perryton, Ohio and Butch (Linda) Wright of Millersburg, Ohio; five sisters, Shirley Coots of Frazeysburg, Cathy (Dale) Cleaveland of Alexandria, Ohio, Nita (Duane) Hood of St. James, Florida, Susie Cassie of Lima, Ohio and Katie (Fred) Ikehorn of Newark, and several nieces and nephews. In addition to his parents, he was preceded in death by his step-mother, Ethel Wright; a brother, Don Lawrence and two brothers in-law, James Coots and John Cassie. Calling hours will be 2 to 4 p.m. and 6 to 8 p.m. Friday, August 13, 2010 at the Frazeysburg Chapel of Vensil-Orr & Chute Funeral Home with Masonic services being conducted at the conclusion of calling hours. Funeral services will be 11:00 a.m. Saturday, August 14, 2010 at the funeral home with Minister Sam Dunn officiating. Burial will be in Darlings Run Cemetery near Warsaw, Ohio with military honors being conducted by Coshocton County Veterans Alliance. To sign our Online Guestbook, visit www.vocfh.com. Muskingum Licking Coshocton Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks Charlie. Maybe I need to tone it down some....my intensity is.scarring them away. On another note.... another Wright researcher and I are about to launch a new campaign for the Kelvedon Hatch Wrights that maybe will have even you running for cover :-) TTYS, Mike -----Original Message----- From: Charles Wright <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing I support Mike and his efforts. Charles Wright Y-DNA Kit Number: 20552 Charles B. Wright PO Box 519 Walpole, NH 03608 [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Wright" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing > Mike, > After reading this I was finally able to close my mouth which had been > agape > during the entire read. > > I'm a little confused, to put it mildly, do you own the DNA company or are > you genealogist who knows a lot more than most folks? This information is > frankly amazing to me and you've definitely changed my viewpoint. > > I'll be in touch, I'm thinking of doing the 37pt which I believe is best > for > me at this point. > > Best Regards, > > Rich Wright > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing > > > Hi Rich, > > I am very concerned that my comments/posts have shed a dim light on Y-DNA > testing as a useful tool in genealogy, and discouraged you from > participating. That is never my intent. If I had my way, every man in > the > world would be tested to 37 markers. Then, none of us would have a > problem > tracing our family histories. > > The most markers that we can test for now is 67, but the extra 30 markers > only become useful within matching family groups, and until you find a > match > in the database, they don't really do you any good in sorting out > kinships. > > > Y-DNA It is one of the most powerful tools we have today in genealogical > research, and it is a fairly well advanced science compared to what it was > just five years ago. Part of the power of it as a genealogical tool is > directly related to the number of participants that we have to compare to. > The more that participate, the more powerful a tool it becomes and this is > nowhere more true than for those in the R1b1 haploid group. > > The problem with our Irish friends is that almost the entire island of > Irishmen are in the R1b1 haploid. This haploid is so old that it has > spread > almost totally uniformly throughout the British Isles. The root stock of > this haploid is over 45,000 years old and the British Isle versions of it > are at least 10,000 years old, having originated in the Basque country of > Spain, the so-called "last ice age refuge" of the human race between > 15,000 > and 13,000 years ago. People from this region began migrating up the > Atlantic coast 10,000 years ago as the glacier sheet began retreating > north. > They walked into Southern Ireland and England when the islands were still > connected to Europe by a land bridge due to the low sea levels. For > thousands of years no other people came to Ireland and England except > these > people and once the land bridges disappeared under the sea, they were > isolated to the lands they could travel to by foot, horse or small ship. > Within a couple more thousand ye! > ars they had spread out to every corner of their respective islands and > begun to develop their own distinctive subclads within the R1b1 haploid. > It > is this blanket uniformity of the R1b1 haploid, with only slight genetic > variation which makes it so difficult to define kinships or English > originals within that particular haploid. But, much to my personal > delight, > this is a problem that hardly any other haploid found in England shares. > All the other haploids there are of much more recent vintage, and > therefore, > stand out in geographic distribution like little beacons spotted here and > there out across the native blanket background of the R1b1 haplogroup. > > > It was not until just before the birth of Christ that anything significant > changed in the population composition of either Ireland or England. > Beginning with English contact with the Roman world in 43 B.C. small > numbers > of new haploid groups began to enter Britain. Eventually, by 49 C.E. Rome > had substantially occupied the island of Britain bringing with them men of > many different haploid groups as part of their armies. My own line of > Wright men is a product of that introduction of foriegn blood by the > Romans. > We are descended from Roman mercenary soldiers from the Dardanian tribe of > Thrace. The Dardanians lived on the western boarder of Thrace/ Eastern > boarder of Illyria in the Roman Province of Moesia Superior. This is an > area that now lies between Pec and Prestinia, Kosovo. Men from this tribe > signed on for a 25 year hitch in the Roman army as javelin wielding > cavalrymen in the Equestrian auxiliary troops attached to the Regular > Roman > Legions. The Romans considere! > d them barbarians, but damn good fighting men. They put in their military > service time and at its end were granted full Roman citizenship for > themselves and their sons. They were given lands sufficient to support > them > in retirement in whatever country they chose to take up residence. In the > case of my ancestors, who came to Britain sometime between 79 C.E. and 135 > C.E, probably as part of the Thracian auxiliary attached to Legion XX, it > was the Colchester area where he retired, which is in the area that much > later would become the county of Essex, England. I can speculate this > with > some pretty good confidence because our haploid, E1b1b1a2, is found in > only > small discrete pocket areas of England which happen to correspond to the > movement of Thracian Troops attached to the Roman Army within England > between 49 C.E. and 211 C.E. We were few in number to start with, and > only > had about 800 years to multiply, diversify and spread out before William > the > Conqueror's minions gav! > e us a surname that has followed the male lines for the last 1,000 yea > rs. Since spreading out in the days of foot and horse took a very long > time, our family haplogroup is found 1400 years after first arriving in > England (i.e. 1600) in an area little more than the size of the state of > Connecticut. > > How this relates to the Irish is unique in population genetics. The key > historical fact is that the Romans never set foot on Ireland. As a result > none of the genetic haploid diversity that you find on the English island > is > present in Ireland. It was not until long after the Romans left England > that any significant population migrations began to enter Ireland. So > genetically speaking, they are a largely pure race of men being nearly all > R1b1. That is not to say everyone in Ireland is R1b1, but for those that > are not, there is a definite story of later migration from England, > Normandy, Norway, Denmark or Sweden to be uncovered that we have a shot at > finding some records for because it happened so late in pre-historic > times. > So if this Wright descendant is something other than R1b1, there should be > an interesting story behind the family origins prior to Ireland, and if he > is R1b1 and does match someone else already in the database, they may both > be throwing each other a l! > ifeline to help each other figure out what part of Ireland they came from > and who else in their family group might be still be in Ireland. Only in > this case would upgrading to 67 markers make some sense. > > On the other hand, if they match no one in the data base, then we have a > waiting game to play hoping that someone from one of the branches of the > family eventually steps forward to take the test and provide a > collaborative > body of family history that will help them with their Irish origins work. > If the testing is done through FTDNA (www.familytreedna.com) then they > will > also be given the opportunity to get in contact with dozens of men who > match > them genetically at 12, 25 or 37 markers, but whose surnames are not > Wright. > This can be as useful and fruitful a contact as any that occur within the > Wright surname. These will be their more ancient relatives from before > 1086 > C.E, since the assignment of surnames in 1086 did not take into account > any > extended family relationships. You were named for your work, your living > place, or some other unique attribute that was characteristic of your > immediate family, and your 5th cousin, whom you may or may not have known > you were relate! > d to, would get an entirely different surname based on his trade, skill or > living place. In such cases you have two different surname lines within > the > same genetic line. Happens extensively in the R1b1 haploid. Happens only > very rarely in any other haploid. For instance, I have only 3 matches of > other surnames in my E1b1b1a2 haploid. I have an R1b1 friend who has over > 300 matches at 12 markers. and nearly 100 at 25 markers. He has used his > contact with those other surname people and what they knew about their > family origins to pinpoint an area in Wales that his branch of the Genetic > family is most likely to have lived about the time they were given their > surname. At least he now knows what small, manageable part of England to > concentrate his document search on and he got there even though he is all > alone in the Wright data base and has not a Wright soul to talk to. > > So you see, DNA work is about much more than surname tracing and using > colleagues with your surname as resources and collaborators. This is > about > making use of a tool that can extend your reach beyond your own surname > to > make use of information other surname researchers have gathered about the > origins of their families with the assurance that you are related to them > closely enough to trust that their information has a good chance of having > some bearing on your own family's migration pattern. > > Please reconsider participating. Even if you match no one of your own > surname in the database, there is no doubt you will match someone in some > surname. Maybe that will be the crack in your brick wall that gets you on > your way again. > > Best Regards, > Mike Wright > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: WRIGHT Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16549/mb.ashx Message Board Post: WRIGHT Robert A 1880-1916 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 216,340 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ctatcat2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16545.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: omg!!!!!!!!!!!! really???????????? Oh I wish I knew how to find this stuff so I didn't have to bother people oh yes please send the jpg!!!!!!!!! I can't thank you enough! omg I'm so happy :) cathy [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I support Mike and his efforts. Charles Wright Y-DNA Kit Number: 20552 Charles B. Wright PO Box 519 Walpole, NH 03608 [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Wright" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing > Mike, > After reading this I was finally able to close my mouth which had been > agape > during the entire read. > > I'm a little confused, to put it mildly, do you own the DNA company or are > you genealogist who knows a lot more than most folks? This information is > frankly amazing to me and you've definitely changed my viewpoint. > > I'll be in touch, I'm thinking of doing the 37pt which I believe is best > for > me at this point. > > Best Regards, > > Rich Wright > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing > > > Hi Rich, > > I am very concerned that my comments/posts have shed a dim light on Y-DNA > testing as a useful tool in genealogy, and discouraged you from > participating. That is never my intent. If I had my way, every man in > the > world would be tested to 37 markers. Then, none of us would have a > problem > tracing our family histories. > > The most markers that we can test for now is 67, but the extra 30 markers > only become useful within matching family groups, and until you find a > match > in the database, they don't really do you any good in sorting out > kinships. > > > Y-DNA It is one of the most powerful tools we have today in genealogical > research, and it is a fairly well advanced science compared to what it was > just five years ago. Part of the power of it as a genealogical tool is > directly related to the number of participants that we have to compare to. > The more that participate, the more powerful a tool it becomes and this is > nowhere more true than for those in the R1b1 haploid group. > > The problem with our Irish friends is that almost the entire island of > Irishmen are in the R1b1 haploid. This haploid is so old that it has > spread > almost totally uniformly throughout the British Isles. The root stock of > this haploid is over 45,000 years old and the British Isle versions of it > are at least 10,000 years old, having originated in the Basque country of > Spain, the so-called "last ice age refuge" of the human race between > 15,000 > and 13,000 years ago. People from this region began migrating up the > Atlantic coast 10,000 years ago as the glacier sheet began retreating > north. > They walked into Southern Ireland and England when the islands were still > connected to Europe by a land bridge due to the low sea levels. For > thousands of years no other people came to Ireland and England except > these > people and once the land bridges disappeared under the sea, they were > isolated to the lands they could travel to by foot, horse or small ship. > Within a couple more thousand ye! > ars they had spread out to every corner of their respective islands and > begun to develop their own distinctive subclads within the R1b1 haploid. > It > is this blanket uniformity of the R1b1 haploid, with only slight genetic > variation which makes it so difficult to define kinships or English > originals within that particular haploid. But, much to my personal > delight, > this is a problem that hardly any other haploid found in England shares. > All the other haploids there are of much more recent vintage, and > therefore, > stand out in geographic distribution like little beacons spotted here and > there out across the native blanket background of the R1b1 haplogroup. > > > It was not until just before the birth of Christ that anything significant > changed in the population composition of either Ireland or England. > Beginning with English contact with the Roman world in 43 B.C. small > numbers > of new haploid groups began to enter Britain. Eventually, by 49 C.E. Rome > had substantially occupied the island of Britain bringing with them men of > many different haploid groups as part of their armies. My own line of > Wright men is a product of that introduction of foriegn blood by the > Romans. > We are descended from Roman mercenary soldiers from the Dardanian tribe of > Thrace. The Dardanians lived on the western boarder of Thrace/ Eastern > boarder of Illyria in the Roman Province of Moesia Superior. This is an > area that now lies between Pec and Prestinia, Kosovo. Men from this tribe > signed on for a 25 year hitch in the Roman army as javelin wielding > cavalrymen in the Equestrian auxiliary troops attached to the Regular > Roman > Legions. The Romans considere! > d them barbarians, but damn good fighting men. They put in their military > service time and at its end were granted full Roman citizenship for > themselves and their sons. They were given lands sufficient to support > them > in retirement in whatever country they chose to take up residence. In the > case of my ancestors, who came to Britain sometime between 79 C.E. and 135 > C.E, probably as part of the Thracian auxiliary attached to Legion XX, it > was the Colchester area where he retired, which is in the area that much > later would become the county of Essex, England. I can speculate this > with > some pretty good confidence because our haploid, E1b1b1a2, is found in > only > small discrete pocket areas of England which happen to correspond to the > movement of Thracian Troops attached to the Roman Army within England > between 49 C.E. and 211 C.E. We were few in number to start with, and > only > had about 800 years to multiply, diversify and spread out before William > the > Conqueror's minions gav! > e us a surname that has followed the male lines for the last 1,000 yea > rs. Since spreading out in the days of foot and horse took a very long > time, our family haplogroup is found 1400 years after first arriving in > England (i.e. 1600) in an area little more than the size of the state of > Connecticut. > > How this relates to the Irish is unique in population genetics. The key > historical fact is that the Romans never set foot on Ireland. As a result > none of the genetic haploid diversity that you find on the English island > is > present in Ireland. It was not until long after the Romans left England > that any significant population migrations began to enter Ireland. So > genetically speaking, they are a largely pure race of men being nearly all > R1b1. That is not to say everyone in Ireland is R1b1, but for those that > are not, there is a definite story of later migration from England, > Normandy, Norway, Denmark or Sweden to be uncovered that we have a shot at > finding some records for because it happened so late in pre-historic > times. > So if this Wright descendant is something other than R1b1, there should be > an interesting story behind the family origins prior to Ireland, and if he > is R1b1 and does match someone else already in the database, they may both > be throwing each other a l! > ifeline to help each other figure out what part of Ireland they came from > and who else in their family group might be still be in Ireland. Only in > this case would upgrading to 67 markers make some sense. > > On the other hand, if they match no one in the data base, then we have a > waiting game to play hoping that someone from one of the branches of the > family eventually steps forward to take the test and provide a > collaborative > body of family history that will help them with their Irish origins work. > If the testing is done through FTDNA (www.familytreedna.com) then they > will > also be given the opportunity to get in contact with dozens of men who > match > them genetically at 12, 25 or 37 markers, but whose surnames are not > Wright. > This can be as useful and fruitful a contact as any that occur within the > Wright surname. These will be their more ancient relatives from before > 1086 > C.E, since the assignment of surnames in 1086 did not take into account > any > extended family relationships. You were named for your work, your living > place, or some other unique attribute that was characteristic of your > immediate family, and your 5th cousin, whom you may or may not have known > you were relate! > d to, would get an entirely different surname based on his trade, skill or > living place. In such cases you have two different surname lines within > the > same genetic line. Happens extensively in the R1b1 haploid. Happens only > very rarely in any other haploid. For instance, I have only 3 matches of > other surnames in my E1b1b1a2 haploid. I have an R1b1 friend who has over > 300 matches at 12 markers. and nearly 100 at 25 markers. He has used his > contact with those other surname people and what they knew about their > family origins to pinpoint an area in Wales that his branch of the Genetic > family is most likely to have lived about the time they were given their > surname. At least he now knows what small, manageable part of England to > concentrate his document search on and he got there even though he is all > alone in the Wright data base and has not a Wright soul to talk to. > > So you see, DNA work is about much more than surname tracing and using > colleagues with your surname as resources and collaborators. This is > about > making use of a tool that can extend your reach beyond your own surname > to > make use of information other surname researchers have gathered about the > origins of their families with the assurance that you are related to them > closely enough to trust that their information has a good chance of having > some bearing on your own family's migration pattern. > > Please reconsider participating. Even if you match no one of your own > surname in the database, there is no doubt you will match someone in some > surname. Maybe that will be the crack in your brick wall that gets you on > your way again. > > Best Regards, > Mike Wright > > > > > > > >

Mike, After reading this I was finally able to close my mouth which had been agape during the entire read. I'm a little confused, to put it mildly, do you own the DNA company or are you genealogist who knows a lot more than most folks? This information is frankly amazing to me and you've definitely changed my viewpoint. I'll be in touch, I'm thinking of doing the 37pt which I believe is best for me at this point. Best Regards, Rich Wright -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing Hi Rich, I am very concerned that my comments/posts have shed a dim light on Y-DNA testing as a useful tool in genealogy, and discouraged you from participating. That is never my intent. If I had my way, every man in the world would be tested to 37 markers. Then, none of us would have a problem tracing our family histories. The most markers that we can test for now is 67, but the extra 30 markers only become useful within matching family groups, and until you find a match in the database, they don't really do you any good in sorting out kinships. Y-DNA It is one of the most powerful tools we have today in genealogical research, and it is a fairly well advanced science compared to what it was just five years ago. Part of the power of it as a genealogical tool is directly related to the number of participants that we have to compare to. The more that participate, the more powerful a tool it becomes and this is nowhere more true than for those in the R1b1 haploid group. The problem with our Irish friends is that almost the entire island of Irishmen are in the R1b1 haploid. This haploid is so old that it has spread almost totally uniformly throughout the British Isles. The root stock of this haploid is over 45,000 years old and the British Isle versions of it are at least 10,000 years old, having originated in the Basque country of Spain, the so-called "last ice age refuge" of the human race between 15,000 and 13,000 years ago. People from this region began migrating up the Atlantic coast 10,000 years ago as the glacier sheet began retreating north. They walked into Southern Ireland and England when the islands were still connected to Europe by a land bridge due to the low sea levels. For thousands of years no other people came to Ireland and England except these people and once the land bridges disappeared under the sea, they were isolated to the lands they could travel to by foot, horse or small ship. Within a couple more thousand ye! ars they had spread out to every corner of their respective islands and begun to develop their own distinctive subclads within the R1b1 haploid. It is this blanket uniformity of the R1b1 haploid, with only slight genetic variation which makes it so difficult to define kinships or English originals within that particular haploid. But, much to my personal delight, this is a problem that hardly any other haploid found in England shares. All the other haploids there are of much more recent vintage, and therefore, stand out in geographic distribution like little beacons spotted here and there out across the native blanket background of the R1b1 haplogroup. It was not until just before the birth of Christ that anything significant changed in the population composition of either Ireland or England. Beginning with English contact with the Roman world in 43 B.C. small numbers of new haploid groups began to enter Britain. Eventually, by 49 C.E. Rome had substantially occupied the island of Britain bringing with them men of many different haploid groups as part of their armies. My own line of Wright men is a product of that introduction of foriegn blood by the Romans. We are descended from Roman mercenary soldiers from the Dardanian tribe of Thrace. The Dardanians lived on the western boarder of Thrace/ Eastern boarder of Illyria in the Roman Province of Moesia Superior. This is an area that now lies between Pec and Prestinia, Kosovo. Men from this tribe signed on for a 25 year hitch in the Roman army as javelin wielding cavalrymen in the Equestrian auxiliary troops attached to the Regular Roman Legions. The Romans considere! d them barbarians, but damn good fighting men. They put in their military service time and at its end were granted full Roman citizenship for themselves and their sons. They were given lands sufficient to support them in retirement in whatever country they chose to take up residence. In the case of my ancestors, who came to Britain sometime between 79 C.E. and 135 C.E, probably as part of the Thracian auxiliary attached to Legion XX, it was the Colchester area where he retired, which is in the area that much later would become the county of Essex, England. I can speculate this with some pretty good confidence because our haploid, E1b1b1a2, is found in only small discrete pocket areas of England which happen to correspond to the movement of Thracian Troops attached to the Roman Army within England between 49 C.E. and 211 C.E. We were few in number to start with, and only had about 800 years to multiply, diversify and spread out before William the Conqueror's minions gav! e us a surname that has followed the male lines for the last 1,000 yea rs. Since spreading out in the days of foot and horse took a very long time, our family haplogroup is found 1400 years after first arriving in England (i.e. 1600) in an area little more than the size of the state of Connecticut. How this relates to the Irish is unique in population genetics. The key historical fact is that the Romans never set foot on Ireland. As a result none of the genetic haploid diversity that you find on the English island is present in Ireland. It was not until long after the Romans left England that any significant population migrations began to enter Ireland. So genetically speaking, they are a largely pure race of men being nearly all R1b1. That is not to say everyone in Ireland is R1b1, but for those that are not, there is a definite story of later migration from England, Normandy, Norway, Denmark or Sweden to be uncovered that we have a shot at finding some records for because it happened so late in pre-historic times. So if this Wright descendant is something other than R1b1, there should be an interesting story behind the family origins prior to Ireland, and if he is R1b1 and does match someone else already in the database, they may both be throwing each other a l! ifeline to help each other figure out what part of Ireland they came from and who else in their family group might be still be in Ireland. Only in this case would upgrading to 67 markers make some sense. On the other hand, if they match no one in the data base, then we have a waiting game to play hoping that someone from one of the branches of the family eventually steps forward to take the test and provide a collaborative body of family history that will help them with their Irish origins work. If the testing is done through FTDNA (www.familytreedna.com) then they will also be given the opportunity to get in contact with dozens of men who match them genetically at 12, 25 or 37 markers, but whose surnames are not Wright. This can be as useful and fruitful a contact as any that occur within the Wright surname. These will be their more ancient relatives from before 1086 C.E, since the assignment of surnames in 1086 did not take into account any extended family relationships. You were named for your work, your living place, or some other unique attribute that was characteristic of your immediate family, and your 5th cousin, whom you may or may not have known you were relate! d to, would get an entirely different surname based on his trade, skill or living place. In such cases you have two different surname lines within the same genetic line. Happens extensively in the R1b1 haploid. Happens only very rarely in any other haploid. For instance, I have only 3 matches of other surnames in my E1b1b1a2 haploid. I have an R1b1 friend who has over 300 matches at 12 markers. and nearly 100 at 25 markers. He has used his contact with those other surname people and what they knew about their family origins to pinpoint an area in Wales that his branch of the Genetic family is most likely to have lived about the time they were given their surname. At least he now knows what small, manageable part of England to concentrate his document search on and he got there even though he is all alone in the Wright data base and has not a Wright soul to talk to. So you see, DNA work is about much more than surname tracing and using colleagues with your surname as resources and collaborators. This is about making use of a tool that can extend your reach beyond your own surname to make use of information other surname researchers have gathered about the origins of their families with the assurance that you are related to them closely enough to trust that their information has a good chance of having some bearing on your own family's migration pattern. Please reconsider participating. Even if you match no one of your own surname in the database, there is no doubt you will match someone in some surname. Maybe that will be the crack in your brick wall that gets you on your way again. Best Regards, Mike Wright -----Original Message----- From: Rich Wright <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:28 am Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing I've been reading these posts with great interest. I've not researched DNA and from the tone of this post it doesn't seem to be such a great thing to do since there are so many lines for a possible hit. Am I missing something? 37 markers are referred too often, how high can you go? I've tracked my grandfathers line, Henry A. Wright b.1875 SC, d.1910 SC, back to Robert Wright b. 1780 NC., then hit the wall! DNA is very interesting but I'm not so sure it's advanced enough yet. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MichaelWright12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16548.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I agree with HarryS170. The 37 marker Y-DNA test is an excellent place to start. However, I am going to hazard a guess and say that he will come back as haploid R1b1 and you will find that he is in a pool of dozens of separate Wright lines, probably all by himself. That is to say, Hazen Wayne Wrigth's son will have his own line and not match any other Wright in the database at 37 markers. If that is the case, there is absolutely no reason to spend the extra money to go beyond 37 markers. If the test results prove I am wrong about the haploid or the match with others in the database, I would like to hear from you again about the results. Good luck with the testing. I know it isn't always easy getting distant family members to participate and you have probably worked very hard to get to this point. There were lots of related Irish who came to this country in separate circumstances, so I hope you do find a match in the database, but if you don't, I would like to discuss with you what the results might be able to tell you about his deeper Irish roots. Best Regards Mike Wright Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cfulford1951 Surnames: Wright Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16545.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: OK, so in the book Authored by Haulsee, W.M., comp.. "Soldiers of the Great War. Vol. I-III". Washington, D.C.: Soldiers Record, 1920. on page 173 of Volume I it states that Wright, George E., of Hartford, Connecticut, died as a result of an accident in WWI. I can send you a .jpg of that page, if you like Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Rich, I am very concerned that my comments/posts have shed a dim light on Y-DNA testing as a useful tool in genealogy, and discouraged you from participating. That is never my intent. If I had my way, every man in the world would be tested to 37 markers. Then, none of us would have a problem tracing our family histories. The most markers that we can test for now is 67, but the extra 30 markers only become useful within matching family groups, and until you find a match in the database, they don't really do you any good in sorting out kinships. Y-DNA It is one of the most powerful tools we have today in genealogical research, and it is a fairly well advanced science compared to what it was just five years ago. Part of the power of it as a genealogical tool is directly related to the number of participants that we have to compare to. The more that participate, the more powerful a tool it becomes and this is nowhere more true than for those in the R1b1 haploid group. The problem with our Irish friends is that almost the entire island of Irishmen are in the R1b1 haploid. This haploid is so old that it has spread almost totally uniformly throughout the British Isles. The root stock of this haploid is over 45,000 years old and the British Isle versions of it are at least 10,000 years old, having originated in the Basque country of Spain, the so-called "last ice age refuge" of the human race between 15,000 and 13,000 years ago. People from this region began migrating up the Atlantic coast 10,000 years ago as the glacier sheet began retreating north. They walked into Southern Ireland and England when the islands were still connected to Europe by a land bridge due to the low sea levels. For thousands of years no other people came to Ireland and England except these people and once the land bridges disappeared under the sea, they were isolated to the lands they could travel to by foot, horse or small ship. Within a couple more thousand years they had spread out to every corner of their respective islands and begun to develop their own distinctive subclads within the R1b1 haploid. It is this blanket uniformity of the R1b1 haploid, with only slight genetic variation which makes it so difficult to define kinships or English originals within that particular haploid. But, much to my personal delight, this is a problem that hardly any other haploid found in England shares. All the other haploids there are of much more recent vintage, and therefore, stand out in geographic distribution like little beacons spotted here and there out across the native blanket background of the R1b1 haplogroup. It was not until just before the birth of Christ that anything significant changed in the population composition of either Ireland or England. Beginning with English contact with the Roman world in 43 B.C. small numbers of new haploid groups began to enter Britain. Eventually, by 49 C.E. Rome had substantially occupied the island of Britain bringing with them men of many different haploid groups as part of their armies. My own line of Wright men is a product of that introduction of foriegn blood by the Romans. We are descended from Roman mercenary soldiers from the Dardanian tribe of Thrace. The Dardanians lived on the western boarder of Thrace/ Eastern boarder of Illyria in the Roman Province of Moesia Superior. This is an area that now lies between Pec and Prestinia, Kosovo. Men from this tribe signed on for a 25 year hitch in the Roman army as javelin wielding cavalrymen in the Equestrian auxiliary troops attached to the Regular Roman Legions. The Romans considered them barbarians, but damn good fighting men. They put in their military service time and at its end were granted full Roman citizenship for themselves and their sons. They were given lands sufficient to support them in retirement in whatever country they chose to take up residence. In the case of my ancestors, who came to Britain sometime between 79 C.E. and 135 C.E, probably as part of the Thracian auxiliary attached to Legion XX, it was the Colchester area where he retired, which is in the area that much later would become the county of Essex, England. I can speculate this with some pretty good confidence because our haploid, E1b1b1a2, is found in only small discrete pocket areas of England which happen to correspond to the movement of Thracian Troops attached to the Roman Army within England between 49 C.E. and 211 C.E. We were few in number to start with, and only had about 800 years to multiply, diversify and spread out before William the Conqueror's minions gave us a surname that has followed the male lines for the last 1,000 years. Since spreading out in the days of foot and horse took a very long time, our family haplogroup is found 1400 years after first arriving in England (i.e. 1600) in an area little more than the size of the state of Connecticut. How this relates to the Irish is unique in population genetics. The key historical fact is that the Romans never set foot on Ireland. As a result none of the genetic haploid diversity that you find on the English island is present in Ireland. It was not until long after the Romans left England that any significant population migrations began to enter Ireland. So genetically speaking, they are a largely pure race of men being nearly all R1b1. That is not to say everyone in Ireland is R1b1, but for those that are not, there is a definite story of later migration from England, Normandy, Norway, Denmark or Sweden to be uncovered that we have a shot at finding some records for because it happened so late in pre-historic times. So if this Wright descendant is something other than R1b1, there should be an interesting story behind the family origins prior to Ireland, and if he is R1b1 and does match someone else already in the database, they may both be throwing each other a lifeline to help each other figure out what part of Ireland they came from and who else in their family group might be still be in Ireland. Only in this case would upgrading to 67 markers make some sense. On the other hand, if they match no one in the data base, then we have a waiting game to play hoping that someone from one of the branches of the family eventually steps forward to take the test and provide a collaborative body of family history that will help them with their Irish origins work. If the testing is done through FTDNA (www.familytreedna.com) then they will also be given the opportunity to get in contact with dozens of men who match them genetically at 12, 25 or 37 markers, but whose surnames are not Wright. This can be as useful and fruitful a contact as any that occur within the Wright surname. These will be their more ancient relatives from before 1086 C.E, since the assignment of surnames in 1086 did not take into account any extended family relationships. You were named for your work, your living place, or some other unique attribute that was characteristic of your immediate family, and your 5th cousin, whom you may or may not have known you were related to, would get an entirely different surname based on his trade, skill or living place. In such cases you have two different surname lines within the same genetic line. Happens extensively in the R1b1 haploid. Happens only very rarely in any other haploid. For instance, I have only 3 matches of other surnames in my E1b1b1a2 haploid. I have an R1b1 friend who has over 300 matches at 12 markers. and nearly 100 at 25 markers. He has used his contact with those other surname people and what they knew about their family origins to pinpoint an area in Wales that his branch of the Genetic family is most likely to have lived about the time they were given their surname. At least he now knows what small, manageable part of England to concentrate his document search on and he got there even though he is all alone in the Wright data base and has not a Wright soul to talk to. So you see, DNA work is about much more than surname tracing and using colleagues with your surname as resources and collaborators. This is about making use of a tool that can extend your reach beyond your own surname to make use of information other surname researchers have gathered about the origins of their families with the assurance that you are related to them closely enough to trust that their information has a good chance of having some bearing on your own family's migration pattern. Please reconsider participating. Even if you match no one of your own surname in the database, there is no doubt you will match someone in some surname. Maybe that will be the crack in your brick wall that gets you on your way again. Best Regards, Mike Wright -----Original Message----- From: Rich Wright <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:28 am Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing I've been reading these posts with great interest. I've not researched DNA and from the tone of this post it doesn't seem to be such a great thing to do since there are so many lines for a possible hit. Am I missing something? 37 markers are referred too often, how high can you go? I've tracked my grandfathers line, Henry A. Wright b.1875 SC, d.1910 SC, back to Robert Wright b. 1780 NC., then hit the wall! DNA is very interesting but I'm not so sure it's advanced enough yet. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WRIGHT] Wright DNA testing This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MichaelWright12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wright/16548.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I agree with HarryS170. The 37 marker Y-DNA test is an excellent place to start. However, I am going to hazard a guess and say that he will come back as haploid R1b1 and you will find that he is in a pool of dozens of separate Wright lines, probably all by himself. That is to say, Hazen Wayne Wrigth's son will have his own line and not match any other Wright in the database at 37 markers. If that is the case, there is absolutely no reason to spend the extra money to go beyond 37 markers. If the test results prove I am wrong about the haploid or the match with others in the database, I would like to hear from you again about the results. Good luck with the testing. I know it isn't always easy getting distant family members to participate and you have probably worked very hard to get to this point. There were lots of related Irish who came to this country in separate circumstances, so I hope you do find a match in the database, but if you don't, I would like to discuss with you what the results might be able to tell you about his deeper Irish roots. Best Regards Mike Wright Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message