For those that have requested info copied from this book on "Forgotten Fields" you may want to check out these sites - I got mine at Robins AFB Gift Shop/Museum ------------------------------------------------ "Forgotten Fields of America" "WW2 Bases & Training Then and Now"by Lou Thole ISBN 1-57510-010-X published by Pictorial Histories Publishing Company, Inc. 713 South Third Street West Missoula, MT 59801 copyright 1996 (First Printing) e-mail phpc@montano.com website - pictorialhistoriespublishing.co http://www.museumofaviation.org/home.htm Robins AFB web site - on right lower corner, click on gift shop, then on enter and you will find a lot of things - if you want somethng and they can't ship it, let me know and maybe I can go get it and get it to you, I believe they ship from the museum store - there are more books and things you may be interested in - those who wanted copies, let me know if you still want them after visiting the site - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Early" <davidearly1@yahoo.com> To: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Forgotten Fields post on WW2 listserv > Delilah, > > I tell you what... > > If you don't mind, let's start with having you pass > along the Title, Author, and ISBN number. My office > is in the Library of Congress, and I have borrowing > privileges, so let me first see if I can get the book > firsthand. > > If that doesn't work, can I then come back to you for > copies? > > Thanks. > > > > --- Delilah <diamond6468@mindspring.com> wrote: > >> if you want copies of the pages on Ephrata, I charge >> for the copies and the >> postage or I can tell you the ISBN and you can try >> to find the entire book - >> this is Vol1, there is another with more old fields. >> If this is OK send me >> an address >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Early" <davidearly1@yahoo.com> >> To: <diamond6468@mindspring.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:20 AM >> Subject: RE: Forgotten Fields post on WW2 listserv >> >> >> > Delilah, >> > >> > Thank you so much for your post (below). My father >> (d. >> > 1998) was stationed at Ephrata Army Air Base >> before >> > shipping out to New Guinea in 1944. I have been >> doing >> > research about his days in the Army Air Corps and >> > would be thrilled to know more about Ephrata. >> > >> > Ironically, he (and I) grew up in the town where >> > Chanute Air Force Base was located until 1993. >> > >> > I look forward to hearing from you. >> > >> > David Early >> > >> > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:39:20 -0500 >> > From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> >> > To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Forgotten Fields >> > >> > Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to >> Yahoo! >> > Briefcase ] >> > >> > I have a book that has the history and photos of >> past >> > WW2 Bases and >> > Training - those I have in this books are: >> > >> > Atterbury Army Air Field >> > Coffeeville Army Air Field >> > Lockbourne Army Air Field >> > Fairmont Army Air Field >> > Herington Army Air Field >> > Baer Field >> > Freeman Field >> > Stout Field Army Air Base >> > Hendricks Field >> > Smyrna Army Air Field >> > Chanute Air Force Base >> > Ephrata Army Air Base >> > ------------------------- >> > If anyone is interested in anything about these, >> write >> > me off-list. >> > delilah >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi List: Slightly off topic. Mashona is the name of the largeast tribe inhabiting Zimbabwe (Southern Rhodesia in the WWII years). If HMS Mashona called at Cape Town (as opposed to Simonstown) the Marsh Maritime Research Centre is likely to have a photograph of her. Kindly contact me off list if you have details of the type of vessel HMS Mashona was & if some other lister can't assist I would imagine William is likely to have been buried at sea as Chatham is a memorial site. regards, Keith Cape Town ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Cook" <oneleaf@bigpond.net.au> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] English Death El-Alamein 1941 - MARSH > Hi all, > > My Great Grandmother in Australia received a letter from her sister in Kensington England saying that her son Billy (William I would think) MARSH died in El-Alamein in 1941 just after his 21st birthday. He never saw his little girl Betty... sad. His parents were Charles E & Edith MARSH. > > What Regiment/unit might he have been in? > > Would his death be on the BDM Registrations in England? (I have checked page images for quarters in 1941 & 42 - no joy). Could it have been registered way after that? I thought I could remember someone saying there was another list for deaths overseas but am not sure. > > I have looked on the CWGC site & only one could be him I think: > > MARSH, WILLIAM ERIC > > Initials: W E > > Nationality: United Kingdom > > Rank: Able Seaman > > Regiment: Royal Navy > > Unit Text: H.M.S. Mashona > > Date of Death: 28/05/1941 > > Service No: C/SSX 18240 > > Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead > > Grave/Memorial Reference: 43, 2. > > Memorial: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL > > > > Has every death known about been put on this site? His mother had obviously been informed. > > > > Hoping someone may be able to help me. Not sure where to start. > > > > Thanks, > > Deb. > > (Australia) > > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > > >

They Served in Silence The Sacrifice of Cryptologic Hero Sergeant Joseph M. Nolan, USA Joseph Michael Nolan was born into an Irish Catholic family in Waterbury, Connecticut. According to his family, from his earliest days, young Joe (or Joey, as they called him) had exhibited an insatiable thirst to engage and influence the world around him. To those who knew him, there was little doubt that he was insightful and intelligent beyond his years. But scholarly pursuits were only a part of young Joe Nolan's life. Despite his less than massive frame, Joe also spent a great deal of time playing defensive tackle for the Wolcott High School Eagles near his hometown. The fall of 1995 found him at St. Joseph's University in Philadelphia. St. Joe's is a Jesuit institution that revels in the idea that those with great gifts have an obligation to live their lives not only for themselves, but also for the "greater glory of God." Many expected Joe to follow in the footsteps of many of his fellow classmates by pursuing a career in the civilian world, but he had other ideas. Although educated in the Jesuit tradition, he was also part of another legacy - that of service to his country in time of war. Joe's great-grandfather had served in WWI, his grandfather had served in the Navy during WWII, and his father was a Marine in Vietnam. In 1999, Joe joined the long line of Nolans who had answered the call to the colors when he enlisted in the United States Army. His interest in, and aptitude for, foreign languages would lead to his being chosen to attend a highly selective, 63-week course in Arabic at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, Calif! ornia. He would finish fourth in a class of eighteen. His training at Monterey began in the early summer of 2001. By late fall, the world had changed forever for Joe Nolan and for America. Joe was assigned to the 312th Intelligence Battalion of the 1st Cavalry Division. The fall of 2003 found him in Baghdad. In early November 2004, he was sent to Fallujah to provide critical-language and cryptologic support to coalition troops in the area. Cryptologists must be versatile and skilled in the areas of language, technology, and mathematics. In time of war, these skills must be made available to those closest to the battle's fray. SGT Nolan excelled in this kind of environment. Sometimes he was a translator. On other occasions, he was involved in moving critical information to those in harm's way. But in whatever capacity he served, his work was crucial in helping to save the lives of soldiers and civilians alike. Life in the military is one of constant service and sacrifice. Sometimes those who wear the uniform of our nation are called upon not only to endure hardship, but also to make the ultimate sacrifice in defense of freedom. On 18 November 2004, SGT Nolan lost his life when an improvised explosive device struck his vehicle. Joe Nolan died never knowing that his sacrifice, and the sacrifices of thousands like him, had brought the possibility of freedom and liberty to a land that had known torture and fear for decades. Back in Connecticut, the Waterbury Republican-American reported that a wooden placard greeted cars pulling into the parking lot at Wolcott High School for the annual Thanksgiving morning football game. The hastily scrawled message simply said: Game Canceled. That morning, Wolcott's athletic director and head football coach, Joe Monroe, remembered his former player as someone who really just wanted to be part of the team. "He wasn't a standout. He wasn't a name or a face that a lot of people would remember, but he was the kind of kid who would do absolutely anything you asked him to do." Coach Monroe's words were meant to honor the late SGT Nolan, but in a larger sense, he was also describing the uncanny ability of common Americans to overcome uncommon challenges no matter what the cost. Let us hope that as our nation embarks on yet another long twilight struggle, we will always have Americans such as Joseph Michael Nolan to help us preserve freedom and liberty for generation! s to come. Sergeant Joseph Michael Nolan United States Army 10 March 1977 - 18 November 2004

I have a book that has the history and photos of past WW2 Bases and Training - those I have in this books are: Atterbury Army Air Field Coffeeville Army Air Field Lockbourne Army Air Field Fairmont Army Air Field Herington Army Air Field Baer Field Freeman Field Stout Field Army Air Base Hendricks Field Smyrna Army Air Field Chanute Air Force Base Ephrata Army Air Base ------------------------- If anyone is interested in anything about these, write me off-list. delilah

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Old Dominion Chapter of the 1st Marine Division Association is saddened to report the death of a very dear friend. Virginia Evans Puller, the widow of Lt. Gen. Lewis B. Puller, USMC, died yesterday at the age of 97. Services will be conducted at 3 PM on Saturday, 11 February at Christ Church Parish. Interment will be in the church cemetery, Christ Church, Va. (the area is about 4 miles East of Saluda, Va.) Semper Fi. Floyd D. Newkirk, O.D. Chapter Secretary

Thank You - Jim, Shalori, Delilah, David, and Dee, and to the gracious people who volunteered to find and send the photo to me. I am still after a copy of the original with the full details (the full credits of who, where, when, and photographers details, name, unit, date, etc.) I was told the original is likely found at the Carlisle Barracks. Where do I begin to search? Does anyone know the name(s), phone, address, email of the people to whom I need to speak with, at the Carlisle Barracks, to find the photo, and to get a copy, with the full details about it? Thank you for the help again, Sue answers to past question:: [[These are some of the things I have done. *I have used each suggestion. *The TimeLife idea - I never thought of writing TimeLife - this is under way. *Bob Holland (Santo Tomas Rescue) gave me Monahan and Greenlee's addresses he had from 2000; they are no longer correct. *Neidel's email is not current. Monahan did/does not use email. *The Kentucky University publisher- - - oh well, I tried him a couple of years ago. *The Kentucky University publisher's (photo) acquisitions editor, who is responsible for the legal work on using that photo, has not yet read the email(?) or decided not to respond(?) or maybe is researching the request.]] past question [[ Please help me find a photo of my mother taken early February 1945, at Santo Tomas Internment Camp in Manila, by a Signal Corps combat photographer. The picture is widely recognized -and it is unknown at the same time. It shows a nurse treating a wounded Japanese soldier, surrounded by Americans.]] http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0813121485/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-2722220-5635319#reader-link ] |

Chuck, Yes, I have the information and the people, by name, to talk with and I will get it together in an email and send to you. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Cook" <chascook@juno.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 07:01 Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Philippines Vet | I am a WW2 Vet and I faithfully read the letters to this site. I just | found a letter from a relative (J.V. Bradley) written in 1940 from the | 60th C.A.C. in the Philippines. What is the best way for me to look to | see if he was there after the invasion by the Japanese? Thank you. | Charles Cook | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

Fort Logan National Cemetery - Colorado Karl Baatz, a German POW who passed away while being held at Fort Logan, was is interred in 1943 (Section POW, Grave 14).

Hi Elizabeth & Listers Thanks for your work on this, Elizabeth. I felt a little embarrassed when, all those months ago, I started off this particular hare and then found no time to follow it up - I wasn't even sure that my information was correct. At least we now know that TNT does have custody of these records and we almost know where they are held. It would seem, however, that only proven kin will be allowed to receive the data, altho' there is no clue as to how far 'kin' extends from the subject of the record. I imagine that the most immediate way of discovering the cost of access would be to seek such access; hopefully, it will not be as high as the 60GPB that my informant told me. John > -----Original Message----- > From: elizabeth howard [mailto:elizgh@btinternet.com] > Sent: 04 February 2006 11:58 > To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] MOD records > > > The list has been very patient and helpful with my search for my elusive > father .........and a letter I received this am from the MOD may > help others > who have the same sort of problem.............from the Deputy > Departmental > Records Officer, MOD , Whitehall . I have summarised it except where the > sentence is directly of interest . > `Thank you for your email addressed to Adam Ingram , > Minister (Armed > Forces) dated 3 Dec 2005 on the subject of Service personnel > records . In > noting that this matter falls with the Under Secretary of States area of > responsibility I have been asked to reply ....... > It might be helpful to explain that the archive services > provided by > TNT are similar to those services previously carried out at the > former site > of the repository , Hayes , Mddx . The records formerly stored at Hayes > have now been transferred to a modern storage facility in South > Derbyshire . > Before their transfer, all the holdings at Hayes , including any Service > personnel files, were indexed using set criteria to ensure there > is a full > inventory and to enable their recovery when required . All records now > deposited with TNT Archive Services undergo the same process. > Should a legitimate request be received for information > contained in > a Service personnel file , certain details ( such as service no , > name, date > of birth) would have to be provided to enable the file to be > located and the > information provided . > To turn to your question with regard to placing the > records on line > to allow pay per view before the end of the 60 year closure , > this would be > a matter for The National Archives ( TNA) . Before Service > personnel files > would be released into the public domain through their transfer > to TNA, they > must be at least one hundred years after the date of birth of the > individual > . However you may be reassured to know that in Dec 2001 , the Lord > Chancellor`s Advisory Council on Public Records ( now the > Advisory Council > on National Records and Archives ) considered the question of the > post World > War 1 Service personnel records and subsequently decided that > they should be > preserved through transfer to TNA . > TNA and MOD is ( sic) now actively engaged in discussions > that will > lead to their eventual transfer to TNA . How these records will > eventually > be preserved and made accessible to the general public is a > matter that TNA > are now considering . > I hope this is helpful . ` > > I am pleased with this letter, overall, and at least it shows > that MOD > know where these records are and what is happening to them . I am not > sure however whether I am clear as to the closure times. Is MOD talking > about `the 60 yr closure` as being for all WW2 records including these > personnel records, or is it still sticking to the idea of 100yr > closure from > the dob of the serviceman ? does 60yrs mean from > the official > end of the war in ? July 1945 ? and without the dob of the > serviceman how do > you know if his particular record is now in the public domain ? > But it does seem that these will end up in TNA and > hopefully before > I am carried off in a box !!!! > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html > This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. > Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your > ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. > This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us > understand the date you are referring to. 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Yes, but it is made clear that the Arctic Convoy (not Artic, unless you drive a truck!) veterans were entitled to the Atlantic Star. I once meet New Zealand poet/publisher Denis Glover who was in the Navy on the Arctic convoys (and postwar used to go to the Russian embassy and drink up large). See his autiobiography "Hot Water Sailor". Several groups wanted an special medal for their part in the war, eg for the RAF bombing of Germany (which was covered by the 1939-45 Star or the Aircrew Europe Star). Complicated by having the Dieppe Bar for a raid, and the Hong Kong Bar (but not a Singapore or Malaya Bar, though participants there would be eligible for the Pacific Bar). For WWII British Commonwealth Medals see the Canadian Veterans website (go to Military Medals and Decorations then War Medals 1939-1991): http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp Yours, John Wilson > This article makes it quite clear that although we Brits still haven't got round to issuing a specific medaL to British seamen, including those in the Royal Navy, who took part in Artic convoys during WW2, the Russians have. Initially, the British government was completely against the offer made by the Russians to award British seamen with Russian medals for taking part in the Artic convoys, but eventually they reluctantly permitted the medals to be awarded by the Russians. > > As these two articles show, the Russian medals were very well received by the recipients. > > Here is an article from . " The Scotsman " dated 10th. May 2005, " entitled , " Russians pay tribute to brave Scots who formed Arctic lifeline " > > http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1291&id=502662005 > > There is a picture of the Russian medal in this article from the "Tameside Advertiser" > http://www.tamesideadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/85/85667_russian_medal_for_convoy _war_hero.html > > While the MoD continues to procrastinate on this matter, **The Russian Convoy Club of the Merchant Navy Association shows on their Merchants Navy Medal web page a commemorative medal, called the Artic Campaign Medal which Artic Convoy veterans or their next of kin can purchase and wear, provided they conform to the restrictions imposed on the wearer by the MoD. >

Yes, you are correct, veterans were entitled to the Atlantic star but in the matter of medals as you well know there are some special circumstances which, in the opinion of many people, deserves a special medal, in this case, an Arctic Convoy medal. http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsRussianConvoys.htm You appear not to agree. So be it. However, an Arctic Convoy Campaign has been set up in an attempt to persuade the MoD to change its opposition to the award of an Artcic Convoy Medal. Here is an interesting comment about the Arctic Convoy medal campaign under the heading : *NEWSFLASH - 24 NOVEMBER 2004* http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/merchantnavyintro.html As it says in the article, the Arctic Convoy medal campaign has been in progress for over 7 years. It also mentions in the article that the long drawn out campaign for a Suez Canal zone medal has finally been successful. It took the British government nearly 50 years.to get that one right. http://www.paulburstow.libdems.org.uk/news/224.html I 've already mentioned elsewhere that while Australia has issued its, " Nashos " with a National Service medal, the British government has n't awarded a medal to we Brits who did our National Service. While researching the matter of a missed National Service Medal, I found out that the British Legion in conjunction with Awards Productions, has made available a range of commemorative medals, including an Arctic Campaign Medal, a National Service Medal, a Hong Kong Service and a Bomber Command medal as well as several other medals. Their full range of commemorative medals is on their web site at : http://www.awardmedals.com/award/awardfrm.htm However, if I wanted to apply for the two medals to which I am entitled, the National Service Medal and the Hong Kong Service medal I would have to pay for them unlike the Aussie, " Nashos " who got their medal free from their grateful government. Also, because my medals were not awarded to me by the British Government, there is a MoD directive, which says that I cannot wear them alongside official awards and decorations or on official uniforms. The British Legion is trying to get this directive changed but they have not so far been successful. Re matters of gramme. Thank you for pointing out my spelling error, viz. Arctic and not Arcrtic. I noticed that in your text you say, ." Several groups wanted an special medal... " I was taught that the article, ' an ' was only to be used before a word starting with a vowel, other wise, the article, 'a' is to be used. Of course that rule may be different in, The Land of the Long White Cloud You also said that. " .... but not a Singapore or Malaya Bar, though participants there would be eligible for the Pacific Bar. " That sounds a bit odd because neither of these places is near the Pacific ocean . You also mention that the Atlantic Star existed for men who sailed on the Russian Arctic Convoys but looking at maps of that part of the Arctic which convoys crossed to get to the ports in northern Russia such as Archangel, . it seems that the convoys covered areas that were not part of the Atlantic ocean. Regards. Patrick. Perth,Western Australia.

The body found frozen in the Sierra Nevada mountain range has just been identified as 22 year old US Army Air Corps cadet Leo Mustonen. Forensic scientist said that Airman Mortonen died instantly in the plane crashed. His niece Leane Mustonen started making funeral arrangements as soon as the body was discovered because she "felt in my heart all along that it was him." He will be buried next to his parents in Brainerd, Minnesota. A smal town about 130 miles north of Minneapolis. The National Park Service is considering searching for the remains of pilot Lt Bill Gamber and 2 navigator trainees Glenn Munn and Melvin Mortensen who were on the plane with Airman Mustonen. sherry

Hello again Dave, I 'm glad to hear that your wife's father got his medal from the Russians for the part he played in the Arctic Convoys during WW2. I was impressed at the speedy progress you made in your dealings with the Russians. While our own government is still arguing the toss about the issue. Here is a interesting extract I found in Hansard concerning the debate about awarding a British Arctic Convoy medal. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmhansrd/vo040609/debtext/40609-16.htm I found this comment under ; *9 Jun 2004 : Column 320* , very pertinent. " The armchair warriors of the MOD are quite good at awarding themselves medals when the time comes, .... " Which reminded me that I had noticed in a recent photo taken of Harry Wales, currently a cadet at Sandhurst, that he was wearing a ribbon on his left breast. I wondered what that was for and who gave it to him. When the MoD finally backed down ( after nearly 50 years ) over the Suez Campaign medal, they had to cancel out all their previous long winded rhetorical arguments based on protocol, etc,etc As this quote from the this BBC article demonstrates : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2982182.stm quote: " Rules governing medals say they cannot usually be awarded more than five years after a conflict, but a committee said special circumstances meant they could now be struck. " One wonders what the special circumstances were. and : " Graham Allen MP told BBC News On line it was a triumph over "mean pettifogging" by the MoD." The current stalling over the issue of an Arctic Convoy medal by the MoD is based on exactly the same, " mean pettifogging ", process They even use same type of excuse, "*... MoD confirmed the British veterans would not be allowed to accept any medals because it does not fall within the rules of such presentations. " * See the full quote in the article on this web site : http://www.tca2000.co.uk/2002.HTM. quote: *"...Hundreds of British veterans of the Arctic convoys of the Second World War are to miss out on medals from Russia because the Ministry of Defense says it will not allow it. Moscow wants to award the 1,600 surviving Royal and Merchant Navy sailors with bravery medals for their part in keeping supply lines open on the Eastern front. They (the MoD) have no idea of the hell we went through . The veterans are furious they have been denied the honor but officials here say it breaks the rules, and the medals cannot be given. It is understood the medals would be the same as those presented to Soviet sailors. But the MoD confirmed the British veterans would not be allowed to accept any medals because it does not fall within the rules of such presentations. " * Thanks Dave for the contact details for the Russian Embassy in Australia. All the best. Patrick. justme wrote: > /Hi Patrick,/ > // > /Long time no speak./ > // > /Saw your posting on Rootsweb WWII re: the above medal. There seems to > be some confusion regarding these medals./ > // > /The Russian Govt. have awarded the "40th/50th/60th Anniversary of > Victory in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945"./ > // > /We obtained an issue of both the 50th and the 60th Anniversary medal > for my wife's father who served on Arctic Convoys with the RNPS. He is > delighted with them./ > // > /However, and I quote from a letter sent by an Attache at the Embassy > of the Russian Federation, 2 June 2003:-/ > // > /*"The Russian Authorities are considering the issue of awarding > veterans of the Arctic Convoys the Medal 'For the Defence of the > Soviet Arctic', as well as assessing all the possible legal and > technical implications such a decision could have, taking into account > that this Medal initially was intended exclusively for Soviet Nationals.*/ > /**/ > /*As soon as the decision will be taken by the Russian Govt. and we > receive official instructions from Moscow, the Embassy will > appropriately approach the competent British Authorities and veteran > associations."*/ > // > /You posted a link to the page illustrating this medal 3 May 2003 on > Rootsweb WWII, (on the Russianwarrior website.)/ > // > /Regarding the Anniversary of Victory.... medal :-/ > // > / > /We wrote on my f-i-law Chris's behalf to the UK Embassy of the > Russian Federation inquiring about the 50th Anniversary medal./ > // > /Chris sailed on 3 Russian Convoys that we know of, as well as > Operation FB from Kola Inlet, and his ship, HMT Cape Mariato (ex-Hull > fishing trawler) was in or around North Russia from mid-Sept 1942 to > early Jan 1943./ > // > /The Embassy wrote back and requested confirmation from the RN Medals > Office of his/the ship's service on the convoys as well a letter of > application showing his full name, permanent address and phone number > (if applicable) ./ > // > /We sent RN Medals a photocopy of Chris's Service Certificate listing > his ships, and what ref. data we had on the convoys we know his ship > sailed on whilst he was on her./ > // > /We received the confirmation letter back within a couple of days and > sent it with the applic. letter to the Embassy, and the medal turned > up Recorded Delivery, with a certificate in Russian and a verified > translation of the wording into English, along with their > congratulations. They add that the medal is a keepsake, and may not be > worn. (This has subsequently turned out not to be the case, I > understand, the issue is where it's worn)./ > // > /Relevant addresses:- / > // > /Embassy of the Russian Federation,/ > /6-7, Kensington Palace Gardens, London W8 4QP./ > /0207-229-3628 / > // > /RN Medals Office,/ > /Room 1068,/ > /Centurion Building, Grange Road, Gosport, Hants PO13 9XA/ > /023-9270-2003 (I spoke to a Mrs Hilary Williams. V. helpful lady.)/ > > We subsequently received the 60th Anniv. medal as well. > > Not sure about the Russian Embassy arrangements in Australia, assume > you would have to contact them, although as your father was British, > you may have to contact the London Embassy. > > Hope this is of some help. Please note the changed email address > below, it was previously chrisndavegen-at-dpennell.globalnet.co.uk. > > Good hunting and all the best, > / > /Dave P > East Sussex UK > justme@davepee.plus.com <mailto:justme@davepee.plus.com>/

The list has been very patient and helpful with my search for my elusive father .........and a letter I received this am from the MOD may help others who have the same sort of problem.............from the Deputy Departmental Records Officer, MOD , Whitehall . I have summarised it except where the sentence is directly of interest . `Thank you for your email addressed to Adam Ingram , Minister (Armed Forces) dated 3 Dec 2005 on the subject of Service personnel records . In noting that this matter falls with the Under Secretary of States area of responsibility I have been asked to reply ....... It might be helpful to explain that the archive services provided by TNT are similar to those services previously carried out at the former site of the repository , Hayes , Mddx . The records formerly stored at Hayes have now been transferred to a modern storage facility in South Derbyshire . Before their transfer, all the holdings at Hayes , including any Service personnel files, were indexed using set criteria to ensure there is a full inventory and to enable their recovery when required . All records now deposited with TNT Archive Services undergo the same process. Should a legitimate request be received for information contained in a Service personnel file , certain details ( such as service no , name, date of birth) would have to be provided to enable the file to be located and the information provided . To turn to your question with regard to placing the records on line to allow pay per view before the end of the 60 year closure , this would be a matter for The National Archives ( TNA) . Before Service personnel files would be released into the public domain through their transfer to TNA, they must be at least one hundred years after the date of birth of the individual . However you may be reassured to know that in Dec 2001 , the Lord Chancellor`s Advisory Council on Public Records ( now the Advisory Council on National Records and Archives ) considered the question of the post World War 1 Service personnel records and subsequently decided that they should be preserved through transfer to TNA . TNA and MOD is ( sic) now actively engaged in discussions that will lead to their eventual transfer to TNA . How these records will eventually be preserved and made accessible to the general public is a matter that TNA are now considering . I hope this is helpful . ` I am pleased with this letter, overall, and at least it shows that MOD know where these records are and what is happening to them . I am not sure however whether I am clear as to the closure times. Is MOD talking about `the 60 yr closure` as being for all WW2 records including these personnel records, or is it still sticking to the idea of 100yr closure from the dob of the serviceman ? does 60yrs mean from the official end of the war in ? July 1945 ? and without the dob of the serviceman how do you know if his particular record is now in the public domain ? But it does seem that these will end up in TNA and hopefully before I am carried off in a box !!!!

Forrest said : " There has been a campaign for a medal specifically for taking part in the Arctic convoys in WW2. " He refers the reader to : http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/medals_folder/medals_artic_convoy.htm This article makes it quite clear that although we Brits still have n't got round to issuing a specific medaL to British seamen, including those in the Royal Navy, who took part in Artic convoys during WW2, the Russians have. Initially, the British government was completely against the offer made by the Russians to award British seamen with Russian medals for taking part in the Artic convoys, but eventually they reluctantly permitted the medals to be awarded by the Russians. As these two articles show, the Russian medals were very well received by the recipients. Here is an article from . " The Scotsman " dated 10th. May 2005, " entitled , " Russians pay tribute to brave Scots who formed Arctic lifeline " http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1291&id=502662005 There is a picture of the Russian medal in this article from the, " Tameside Advertiser ". http://www.tamesideadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/85/85667_russian_medal_for_convoy_war_hero.html While the MoD continues to procrastinate on this matter, **The Russian Convoy Club of the Merchant Navy Association shows on their Merchants Navy Medal web page a commemorative medal, called the Artic Campaign Medal which Artic Convoy veterans or their next of kin can purchase and wear, provided they conform to the restrictions imposed on the wearer by the MoD. http://www.mna.org.uk/medals.htm The commemorative medals only exist because the MoD refuses to issue official medals to veterans and those of us who served our country as National Servicemen. Interestingly, the Suez Canal Medal shown on the above web site is now redundant because the MoD recently backed down and finally issued a campaign medal to those who took part in that war, including National Service men. Mind you, it took the British government nearly 50 years to actually do it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2982182.stm However, in spite of similar requests for a National Service medal to be issued to we Brits who served as National Servicemen, the British government still refuses to issue one. Which became even more annoying when the Australian government issued a National Service medal to its , ' Nashos ' in 2001 which, would you believe, was approved of by our Queen. My father served in the Royal Navy on the Destroyer, " HMS Campbell " during WW2. The ship's Battle Honors shows, Artic 1942. He certainly did n't get a medal from the British government for his Artic service. However after I discovered recently that my son-in law' s father, who was also in the Royal Navy, got a Russian Artic convoy medal I intend to contact the Russian government to see if my dad is entitled to one of their Artic Convoy commemorative medals. http://home.it.net.au/~lambeth/campbell.htm LEST WE FORGET. Patrick. Perth, Western Australia.

I am a WW2 Vet and I faithfully read the letters to this site. I just found a letter from a relative (J.V. Bradley) written in 1940 from the 60th C.A.C. in the Philippines. What is the best way for me to look to see if he was there after the invasion by the Japanese? Thank you. Charles Cook

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:44:08 -0700, Martin Willcocks <martinwill2@comcast.net> wrote: >As always, Forrest, your replies are tremendously valuable to everyone >on this list. Thank you. I try to mention things which might be of interest to other members of the list, as well as to the original poster. >Another greatuncle, Arthur Henry SAWDON, had previously owned and >captained a merchant ship in Whitby, Yorks, the LIBEA (renamed WYFAX), >and served during WW II as a merchant ship Captain on the Atlantic >Convoys. He was discharged at Glasgow, presumably returning to Whitby >from there. That was about the only item about him I could find on TNA... Was that the following entry in the catalogue at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp ...? ------------------------------------------------------------------ BT Records of the Board of Trade and of successor and related bodies BT 372 Board of Trade: Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen: Central Register of Seamen: Seamen's Recor ... 1913-1972 BT 372/2265/59 R721876 SAWDON A 01/10/1943 GLASGOW 1913 - 1972 ------------------------------------------------------------------ >and I don't know if serving on the convoys would entitle anyone to a >medal or only if a ship he was on happened to be engaged in enemy >action. Regarding qualification for the various WW2 campaign medals, there was no requirement to be in contact with the enemy. The National Archives have recently made their WW2 medal records for merchant seamen available on-line. These records form the BT 395 collection, and the page describing the collection and the relevant medals at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/seamens-medals.asp says: -------------- BT 395 contains a record of World War Two Medals claimed and issued to Merchant Seamen from 1946 to 2002. Medals were not automatically issued, but had to be claimed by the veteran. Following the war, medal papers were raised including details of a seaman's service. These were sent to ports for the veteran to sign, confirming the accuracy of the information, and were then returned to the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen (RGSS) in Cardiff. Each entry in BT 395 gives details of the seaman's name and the medals, ribbons and clasps issued, together with a reference to the medal papers file, held at the Registry of Shipping and Seamen (RSS). Usually, his discharge book number and date and place of birth are listed too. -------------- The search page is at <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=12&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1> and you can input the details of any WW2 merchant seaman to see if there is a medal record. However, there is a catch, which you may have spotted. The leaflet goes on to say: ------------- BT 395 records the medals claimed and issued, rather than the entitlement to medals, which is held at the Registry of Shipping and Seamen (RSS). Remember that these medals were not issued automatically, but had to be claimed. ------------- This means that quite a lot of searches come up with nothing. There has been a campaign for a medal specifically for taking part in the Arctic convoys in WW2, which is currently covered by the Atlantic Star. See http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/medals_folder/medals_artic_convoy.htm for an official Ministry of Defence webpage about this. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Thanks everyone for all the help. As you probably guessed I am trying to set up a display case for my Dad's medals and the websites were a great help. Nancy Coan

I have a book that explains that, there should also be a web site, have you tried google? delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <fishin@outdrs.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Display of medals-US Army > Can anyone give me a dependable website on the display of WWII-era Army > medal? Most of the sites I have found are for current use and don't show > all the info I need. > Thank you, Nancy Coan > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor > was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help > you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are > referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Can anyone give me a dependable website on the display of WWII-era Army medal? Most of the sites I have found are for current use and don't show all the info I need. Thank you, Nancy Coan