Rick, Thanks for the suggestions. I'll search further. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Snowfrog1961@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification > This may also be of some use to you in your research. As you can see, > while > APO 757 was assigned to Frankfurt in the case of the 7811th SCU-Station > Complement Unit, there were several subposts no doubt in the general > vicinity and > also under the operational control of the Frankfurt sector. Consider > searches > that focus on ( Occupation Forces,US sector postwar or cold war, station > complement units- Germany, constabulary units etc). > > _http://www.usarmygermany.com/USAREUR%20Military%20Posts.htm_ > (http://www.usarmygermany.com/USAREUR%20Military%20Posts.htm) > > _http://www.usarmygermany.com/US%20Zone%20Mil%20Posts%20Map.htm_ > (http://www.usarmygermany.com/US%20Zone%20Mil%20Posts%20Map.htm) > > _http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sonthofen1.htm_ > (http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sonthofen1.htm) > > Good Luck, > Rick > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: > WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember > to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in > now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help > us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or > Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

This may also be of some use to you in your research. As you can see, while APO 757 was assigned to Frankfurt in the case of the 7811th SCU-Station Complement Unit, there were several subposts no doubt in the general vicinity and also under the operational control of the Frankfurt sector. Consider searches that focus on ( Occupation Forces,US sector postwar or cold war, station complement units- Germany, constabulary units etc). _http://www.usarmygermany.com/USAREUR%20Military%20Posts.htm_ (http://www.usarmygermany.com/USAREUR%20Military%20Posts.htm) _http://www.usarmygermany.com/US%20Zone%20Mil%20Posts%20Map.htm_ (http://www.usarmygermany.com/US%20Zone%20Mil%20Posts%20Map.htm) _http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sonthofen1.htm_ (http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sonthofen1.htm) Good Luck, Rick

Hi Deb & All: Re William's death, the CWGC site gives his death as "between 30 Jan 1942 & 1 July 1942". The only reason I can think of for such a wide range of possible death dates that he was a Prisoner-of-War, and died as a POW. If he went missing and was then "missing, believed dead" would he have a death date of when he went missing? He is commemorated on the El Alamein Memorial, indicating that his body was not found. Yours, John Wilson > Thankyou John & Mary Ann :o))), > > I could kiss you! > > William Patrick John JARVIE is my man, I'm pretty certain. West Kensington > is the area the family was in and I can't imagine there were too many > William Jarvie's of his age to die at El-Alamein whose mother's name was > Edith Rose. > > This will give us more to go on to find any descendants. > > I don't know what happened to my CWGC search for JARVIEs that came up > nil except that I'm having trouble on the site again tonight (giving 0 found > where previously had results). Will try again tomorrow (when it's not > daytime in UK - seems to be my problem lately). > Name: JARVIE, WILLIAM PATRICK JOHN > Initials: W P J > Nationality: United Kingdom > Rank: Gunner > Regiment: Royal Artillery > Unit Text: 124 Field Regt. > Age: 22 > Date of Death: between 30/01/1942 and 01/07/1942 > Service No: 929881 > Additional information: Son of Benjamin and Edith Rose Jarvie; husband of Elizabeth B. Jarvie, of West Kensington, London. > Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead > Grave/Memorial Reference: Column 35. > Memorial: ALAMEIN MEMORIAL

Thanks Sue. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SusanHGill@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Re: English Death El-Alamein -JARVIE 1942 - solved ...snipped...

Thankyou John & Mary Ann :o))), I could kiss you! William Patrick John JARVIE is my man, I'm pretty certain. West Kensington is the area the family was in and I can't imagine there were too many William Jarvie's of his age to die at El-Alamein whose mother's name was Edith Rose. This will give us more to go on to find any descendants. I don't know what happened to my CWGC search for JARVIEs that came up nil except that I'm having trouble on the site again tonight (giving 0 found where previously had results). Will try again tomorrow (when it's not daytime in UK - seems to be my problem lately). Thanks again, Deb.

I think that you will find that the post-war reference to 7811th SCU is an abbreviation for " Station Complement Unit ". Not to be confused with station complement squadrons. SCU' s were basically constabulary or occupation units created from portions of various units who were even stripped from combat units, for purposes of maintaining civil order. You will see references to AU's, but typically this classification was more common in the 1950's. I'm sure you will find more results on the web with these new search parameters. Rick

Frankfort Det., 7811 Army Unit this was on a Veterans burial ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <fishin@outdrs.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification > Hi, > Yes, it's definitely 7811. Someone also suggested that the SCU could be > Special Cases Unit. The reason for my curiosity is that my Dad was a > Criminal Investigator at Ft. Benning before going to Germany in 1949. In > Frankfurt he was assigned to the VIP Motor Pool and I don't "get" why the > drastic change in assignments. Any ideas? > Thanks. Nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification > > >> are you sure it is 7811 and not 6811? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nancy" <fishin@outdrs.net> >> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:38 PM >> Subject: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification >> >> >>> This question is somewhat "off topic" as it pertains to 1949. I have a >>> letter with the return address of Co A 7811 SCU, APO 757. I know the >>> APO was Frankfurt, Germany, but can anyone tell me how to find out what >>> the "7811 SCU" was for? Thanks for any help. Nancy Coan >>> >>> >>> ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >>> To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: >>> WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember >>> to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are >>> in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please >>> help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov >>> 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> >> ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >> We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an >> international list. Please remember to tell us what country your >> ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This >> helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date >> you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country > your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

The Strengthening Communities Unit (SCU) - I go this far ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <fishin@outdrs.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification > Hi, > Yes, it's definitely 7811. Someone also suggested that the SCU could be > Special Cases Unit. The reason for my curiosity is that my Dad was a > Criminal Investigator at Ft. Benning before going to Germany in 1949. In > Frankfurt he was assigned to the VIP Motor Pool and I don't "get" why the > drastic change in assignments. Any ideas? > Thanks. Nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification > > >> are you sure it is 7811 and not 6811? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nancy" <fishin@outdrs.net> >> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:38 PM >> Subject: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification >> >> >>> This question is somewhat "off topic" as it pertains to 1949. I have a >>> letter with the return address of Co A 7811 SCU, APO 757. I know the >>> APO was Frankfurt, Germany, but can anyone tell me how to find out what >>> the "7811 SCU" was for? Thanks for any help. Nancy Coan >>> >>> >>> ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >>> To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: >>> WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember >>> to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are >>> in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please >>> help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov >>> 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> >> ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >> We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an >> international list. Please remember to tell us what country your >> ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This >> helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date >> you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country > your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi, Yes, it's definitely 7811. Someone also suggested that the SCU could be Special Cases Unit. The reason for my curiosity is that my Dad was a Criminal Investigator at Ft. Benning before going to Germany in 1949. In Frankfurt he was assigned to the VIP Motor Pool and I don't "get" why the drastic change in assignments. Any ideas? Thanks. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification > are you sure it is 7811 and not 6811? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy" <fishin@outdrs.net> > To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:38 PM > Subject: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification > > >> This question is somewhat "off topic" as it pertains to 1949. I have a >> letter with the return address of Co A 7811 SCU, APO 757. I know the APO >> was Frankfurt, Germany, but can anyone tell me how to find out what the >> "7811 SCU" was for? Thanks for any help. Nancy Coan >> >> >> ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >> To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: >> WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember >> to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are >> in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please >> help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov >> 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor > was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help > you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are > referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Thanks Keith, I have decided that the guy on the Mashona mustn't be mine (for the time being). The site John Wilson gave gives you what you want I think: http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/4431.html It looks like a group of ships were called after tribes (referred to as "tribals"). Deb. (Australia) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendal" <kendal@telkomsa.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] English Death El-Alamein 1941 - MARSH > Hi List: > Slightly off topic. > Mashona is the name of the largeast tribe inhabiting Zimbabwe (Southern > Rhodesia in the WWII years). > > If HMS Mashona called at Cape Town (as opposed to Simonstown) the Marsh > Maritime Research Centre is likely to have a photograph of her. Kindly > contact me off list if you have details of the type of vessel HMS Mashona > was & if some other lister can't assist > > I would imagine William is likely to have been buried at sea as Chatham is > a > memorial site. > regards, > Keith > Cape Town

Thanks John, Mum & I had noticed in our search on the net that it referred to 1942 and now re-reading the letter we think she may have meant that his 21st birthday was in 1941, not that he died in 1941. We had also noticed it was a land battle which confused us looking at the CWGC entry we thought it could have been. If there are no William MARSHs, are there any JARVIEs buried at El Alamein Cemetery? I know his mother remarried a JARVIE but don't know when. Perhaps he had his name (or JARVIE was even his father). I have put those sites under my Military favourites! Thankyou so much for your help, Deb. (Australia) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Re: English Death El-Alamein - MARSH - 1942 not 1941 > Hi Deb: > > For the Battle of El Alamein you should be checking the CWGS for > 1942 not 1941, as the First Battle of El Alamein was July 1942, and > the (notable) Second Battle of El Alamein in October 1942. See the > Timeline for the North African Campaign, well remembered in New > Zealand (we had a Member of Parliament called Alamein Kofu): > http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/north-africa/time-line.html > > But there was not a William ... Marsh in the El Alamein Cemetery. > > El Alamein was a land battle; see re HMS Mashona when William > Eric MARSH died: > http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/4431.html > > Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) >

Here a cut and paste of the entry just in case Name: JARVIE, WILLIAM PATRICK JOHN Initials: W P J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Gunner Regiment: Royal Artillery Unit Text: 124 Field Regt. Age: 22 Date of Death: between 30/01/1942 and 01/07/1942 Service No: 929881 Additional information: Son of Benjamin and Edith Rose Jarvie; husband of Elizabeth B. Jarvie, of West Kensington, London. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Column 35. Memorial: ALAMEIN MEMORIAL

are you sure it is 7811 and not 6811? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <fishin@outdrs.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification > This question is somewhat "off topic" as it pertains to 1949. I have a > letter with the return address of Co A 7811 SCU, APO 757. I know the APO > was Frankfurt, Germany, but can anyone tell me how to find out what the > "7811 SCU" was for? Thanks for any help. Nancy Coan > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: > WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember > to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in > now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help > us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or > Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

The Strengthening Communities Unit (SCU) is part of the Premier's Department Strategic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <fishin@outdrs.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] US Army unit identification > This question is somewhat "off topic" as it pertains to 1949. I have a > letter with the return address of Co A 7811 SCU, APO 757. I know the APO > was Frankfurt, Germany, but can anyone tell me how to find out what the > "7811 SCU" was for? Thanks for any help. Nancy Coan > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: > WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember > to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in > now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help > us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or > Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

This question is somewhat "off topic" as it pertains to 1949. I have a letter with the return address of Co A 7811 SCU, APO 757. I know the APO was Frankfurt, Germany, but can anyone tell me how to find out what the "7811 SCU" was for? Thanks for any help. Nancy Coan

can you tell me where you sent for the death certificate ----- Original Message ----- From: <Eaemilya@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] (no subject) > Can anyone help?I would to know if you could help getting a death > certificate for John l. martin ,refer to 2005 328-348-8 ,his cause of > death.The wrote > unless family they could not give it. Legal repersentive of an authorized > person or government agent they do comply with a valid court order or > subpoenas which direct them to deliver death certificate .I sent 12.00 > dollar with > information and it was returned.I can't believe a person has to be dead > 25 > YEARS before you can get one. > > Also can any one tell me how to get the information of the 312th Service > Group on Pier 90's WWll Troop Ship Crossings.Site > > It will > greatly > appreciatted- > > Emily > Alvarez, > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------, > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about > a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com > subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please > remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country > you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates > please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 > Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

where was he from? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Eaemilya@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:23 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] TRYING TO FIND A FRIEND > Can anyone find a S/sgt.John l. martin army serial #7004957,ww2,birthday > 1-20-1919 > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html > This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi Deb: For the Battle of El Alamein you should be checking the CWGS for 1942 not 1941, as the First Battle of El Alamein was July 1942, and the (notable) Second Battle of El Alamein in October 1942. See the Timeline for the North African Campaign, well remembered in New Zealand (we had a Member of Parliament called Alamein Kofu): http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/north-africa/time-line.html But there was not a William ... Marsh in the El Alamein Cemetery. El Alamein was a land battle; see re HMS Mashona when William Eric MARSH died: http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/4431.html Yours, John Wilson (New Zealand) > My Great Grandmother in Australia received a letter from her sister in Kensington England saying that her son Billy (William I would think) MARSH died in El-Alamein in 1941 just after his 21st birthday. He never saw his little girl Betty... sad. His parents were Charles E & Edith MARSH. > > What Regiment/unit might he have been in? > > Would his death be on the BDM Registrations in England? (I have checked page images for quarters in 1941 & 42 - no joy). Could it have been registered way after that? I thought I could remember someone saying there was another list for deaths overseas but am not sure. >

I have his records except POW. He was wounded on Okinawa. Where was he a prisoner of war? He was ashamed of being captured and did not want to talk about it. Could he have been liberated without a record being made of it? Support our defenders of peace. Thanks for reflections. N.W. Richard

Hi all, My Great Grandmother in Australia received a letter from her sister in Kensington England saying that her son Billy (William I would think) MARSH died in El-Alamein in 1941 just after his 21st birthday. He never saw his little girl Betty... sad. His parents were Charles E & Edith MARSH. What Regiment/unit might he have been in? Would his death be on the BDM Registrations in England? (I have checked page images for quarters in 1941 & 42 - no joy). Could it have been registered way after that? I thought I could remember someone saying there was another list for deaths overseas but am not sure. I have looked on the CWGC site & only one could be him I think: MARSH, WILLIAM ERIC Initials: W E Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Able Seaman Regiment: Royal Navy Unit Text: H.M.S. Mashona Date of Death: 28/05/1941 Service No: C/SSX 18240 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: 43, 2. Memorial: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL Has every death known about been put on this site? His mother had obviously been informed. Hoping someone may be able to help me. Not sure where to start. Thanks, Deb. (Australia)