Greetings, You wanted expeiences of war time happenings? When the war broke out we were living, I think, at 78 Tolcarne Drive, Northwood Hills, Pinner Middlesex. I do not remember much of the war, only that I was an 'expert' on enemy or friendly aircraft (whether right or wrong I still don't know.) We had two air raid shelters (a Morison and an Anderson), one was under the dining room table, it was a steel cage--the idea being that if the house collapsed, the table would take the brunt of the house fall and the steel cage would back it up. The second was a 'standard' corrigated iron semi circular affair that was half burried in the back garden and covered with soil. The one in the garden was often full of stagnent water, frogs etc. that took up residence. 1941 My mother, at second marriage to Bernard Russell, was an assistant engineer G.P.O. (General Post Office) and was installing the top secret 'scrambler' phones in places like Winston Churchill's office and the Admiralty war office. (Bernard went to Egypt with the RAF Winston Specials.) Mum said that she was 'bombed out' 3 times and 'blown up' in the street 5 times, or greater numbers depending on the discussions and occasion--traumatic at any time.Mostly the councilling was "Have a cuppa tea, love, and you'll feel better." Peter Delilah wrote: >Can you send a copy to the US - also since your wrote this, I would like to >hear more about how the people who lived thru WW2 lived, how bad was it on >them, etc. >delilah > >From: "Peter Monks" <arethusa@shaw.ca> >To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:34 PM >Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] RAF AIRFIELDS IN SCOTLAND > > >| Greetings, >| >| I was watching the war series attack on Monte Cassino yesterday, and the >| attack by each of the countries troops, and the Polish flag flying in >| triumph. >| >| I am reminded of an ex POW or displaced person who used to ask for a >| cheese roll at the canteen EVERY single day. Finally, he arrives and >| asks for 'Ham Roll Please', the lass asks do you want mustard with >| that?................Cheese Roll please. >| >| Ah, nostalgia! Ask a question, from many years back and get great feed >| back. Many thanks. I have an address: Col. G.M. Forteath, Marcassie, >| Forres, IV36 0RM (Being the owner of the ex farm in 1974) >| >| The information that you supplied is wonderful. I remember Forres as a >| small sleepy villiage where we got our accumulators charged that ran the >| radio. Where we took our cat whose leg was nearly severed by a >| trap......the vet returning the cat now on three legs said that it would >| never catch mice again. It never had before......... but did after >| becoming a parent!! I think that this apparition on three legs puzzled >| the mice until it was to late. >| >| Now on a nostalgia mode, we had an Italian POW camp near the farm, I >| recall the POW's coming to work on the farm, no guards as I recall, they >| seemed happy to be out of the war, it could not be far as they marched >| each day I think. Do you have any knowledge of the POW camp? Now >| another incident if I may bother you, memories of their swapping us >| fresh bananas (??????) for the banana powder that we were 'issued'. >| Seems that they were making ice cream and using the banana powder as a >| taste treat. ICE CREAM for the POW's??? Did the civilian population >| have such treats? Amazing how one query leads to more and more! >| >| May I send you a copy of my self published book "The Flying P Ships" >| being a history of the sailing era of the Laeisz Shipping Company of >| Hamburg, as a thanks for your excellent help? If you care to share your >| address, I have no commercial connections! Peter >| >| >| James Flemington wrote: >| >| >May I add a bit more? >| > >| >Logie would have been a very easy bike ride, about three miles, from >Forres >| >airfield which had no perimeter fence and therefore children could get >| >access to aircraft being serviced. Although the airfield remained Ir >| >ministry property for a long time after the war its use as an airfield >fell >| >off in 1944, presumably as training needs changed. The huts used by the >RAF >| >ground crew were handed over to the army and were used to accommodate >Poles >| >who had been conscripted into the German army and were captured in France >by >| >the British army. Here they were screened and then drafted into the Free >| >Polish army which served with great distinction in France and Italy; we >| >remember their gallantry and sacrifice at Monte Cassino. >| > >| > >| >Jim >| > >| > >| >-----Original Message----- >| >From: Forrest Anderson [mailto:listmail@military-researcher.com] >| >Sent: 02 April 2006 19:04 >| >To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com >| >Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] RAF AIRFIELDS IN SCOTLAND >| > >| >On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:52:30 -0500, Peter Monks <arethusa@shaw.ca> >| >wrote: >| > >| > >| > >| >>We lived on a >| >>farm property with buildings adjacent to the main farm house/farm sheds, >| >>this would have been around 1943 to 1945/6... >| >> >| >> >| > >| > >| > >| >>Around 1974 I... found the actual farm.... Now I cannot remember >| >>the name and address, but it might have been near Dava at the junction >| >>of A939 or was it B9007 and near Logie and A940?? >| >> >| >> >| > >| > >| > >| >>In my fathers service records he is >| >>listed as >| >>605 Sqdn 13/9/42 >| >>11 S. of TT 3 Feb 43 >| >>19 OTU 8/4/43 >| >>56 Base 4/11/44 >| >>19 OTU 26/4/45 >| >>6 (c) OTU 18/7/45 >| >>102 PDC Released 27/11/45 >| >> >| >> >| > >| > >| > >| >>As a child I recall being taken to see the aircraft... The aircraft was >an >| >>Anson I believe. Though I have dim memories of Lancasters, but where >| >>and when.....?? >| >> >| >> >| > >| >Having his Service Record is a major help! No 19 Operational Training >| >Unit, which was formed to train night bomber crews, was based at >| >Kinloss from the unit's formation in May 1940 to its disbandment on 26 >| >Jun 1945. 19 OTU also used the airfield at Forres as a satellite from >| >1940 or 1941 up to 22 Oct 1944. During its existence, 19 OTU was >| >equipped with quite a large variety of aircraft, including Ansons. >| > >| >After the departure of 19 OTU, 6 (Coastal) Operational Training Unit >| >moved to Kinloss on 18 July 1945, and was equipped with Beaufighters >| >and Mosquitos. >| > >| >Given that the airfield at Forres was less than 5 miles from the >| >junction at Logie, it rather looks as though he was based at Forres >| >and Kinloss airfields. >| > >| >Forrest >| > >| > >| > >| >| >| ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >| Please do not send virus warnings to the list. If you have concerns about >a virus, contact your list admin or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com >subscribe in the subject line. We are an international list. Please >remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you >are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please >help us understand the date you are referring to. 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The Queen Mary usually sailed from New York, as well as the Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | It didn't say she did, the only other one was the West Point - I sent you a | link to the list. | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <JbarL@aol.com> | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:42 PM | Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | | || Did the Queen Mary sail from Boston P of E in November 1944? || || Jessie, Calif || || || ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== || http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html || This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, | subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. | Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what | country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give | dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: | 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. || || ============================== || Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the || areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. || Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx || | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

Here's an unknown one. 44-08-mid Boston, MA (unknown - large ship, not an ordinary troop carrier) 520th Quartermaster Railhead Company and many other troops; nurses on an upper deck ??? Liverpool, England 8 days later W. Pursel (520th QM Railhead Co ----- Original Message ----- From: <JbarL@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | Did the Queen Mary sail from Boston P of E in November 1944? | | Jessie, Calif | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the | areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. | Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx |

another was the Mount Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | http://troopships.pier90.org/crossings/1944b.htm | | | The Wakefield was the only one I could find: | | 44-11-10 Boston, | MA Wakefield 81st Engineer Combat Battalion, Division Artillery | (589th, 590th, 591st, 592nd Field Artillery Battalions, Division Artillery | Headquarters Battery), Special Troops (including 106th Reconnaissance Troop) | (all from the 106th Infantry Division ); Battalion of black Quartermaster | troops sailed alone Liverpool, | England 44-11-17 Dupuy, St. Vith: Lion in the Way (1947), p. 8 and J. | Kline | (more) | | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:31 AM | Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | | || There were a lot of what was supposed to be luxury liners that were taken || and used to transport troops. The first SS Queen and SS Mary were two. I || believe that one was sunk right at the port. || delilah || ----- Original Message ----- || From: <JbarL@aol.com> || To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> || Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:18 PM || Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship || || ||| Is there any way to find the name of an English ship which transported ||| American service men from Boston Port of Embarkation to Liverpool in || November of ||| 1944 arriving there Nov 17, 1944. ||| ||| I know that the American ship Wakefield sailed about the same time but | I ||| have heard that there was an English ship which left Boston P of E || carrying ||| American troops. ||| ||| Thanks ||| ||| Jessie, Calif ||| ||| ||| ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== ||| To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: || WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember | to || tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in | now || if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us || understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov || 4, 1944. ||| ||| ============================== ||| New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your | ancestors || at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: || | http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 ||| || || || || ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== || http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html || This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, | subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. | Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what | country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give | dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: | 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. || || ============================== || Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for || ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: || http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx || | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

It didn't say she did, the only other one was the West Point - I sent you a link to the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JbarL@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | Did the Queen Mary sail from Boston P of E in November 1944? | | Jessie, Calif | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the | areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. | Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx |

OK - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" <bobbidoll123@gmail.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] POW Cemetery | Why not post the names? | | Bobbi | | | On 4/3/06, Delilah <diamond6468@mindspring.com> wrote: | > | > I have a list of name (German) POW's that died and was buried in a | > cemetery | > at what used to be Fort McClellan, Alabama, also a few Italians. | > If anyone is interested, let me know | > | > | > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an | > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor | > was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help | > you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring | > to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | > | > ============================== | > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find | > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: | > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx | > | > | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

Here is another that sailed but got there on Nov 8, 1944: Actually it sailed prior on 10/4/44 - 10/12/44. 44-10-31 Boston, MA West Point (AP23) 7,615 passengers: 201st General Hospital sailed alone Liverpool, England 44-11-08 West Point crewman W. McLain and Helen Halcovage of the 201st Gen Hosp, via A. Shollenberger (more) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | There were a lot of what was supposed to be luxury liners that were taken | and used to transport troops. The first SS Queen and SS Mary were two. I | believe that one was sunk right at the port. | delilah | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <JbarL@aol.com> | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:18 PM | Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | | || Is there any way to find the name of an English ship which transported || American service men from Boston Port of Embarkation to Liverpool in | November of || 1944 arriving there Nov 17, 1944. || || I know that the American ship Wakefield sailed about the same time but I || have heard that there was an English ship which left Boston P of E | carrying || American troops. || || Thanks || || Jessie, Calif || || || ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== || To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: | WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to | tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now | if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us | understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov | 4, 1944. || || ============================== || New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors | at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: | http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 || | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for | ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx |

http://troopships.pier90.org/crossings/1944b.htm The Wakefield was the only one I could find: 44-11-10 Boston, MA Wakefield 81st Engineer Combat Battalion, Division Artillery (589th, 590th, 591st, 592nd Field Artillery Battalions, Division Artillery Headquarters Battery), Special Troops (including 106th Reconnaissance Troop) (all from the 106th Infantry Division ); Battalion of black Quartermaster troops sailed alone Liverpool, England 44-11-17 Dupuy, St. Vith: Lion in the Way (1947), p. 8 and J. Kline (more) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | There were a lot of what was supposed to be luxury liners that were taken | and used to transport troops. The first SS Queen and SS Mary were two. I | believe that one was sunk right at the port. | delilah | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <JbarL@aol.com> | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:18 PM | Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | | || Is there any way to find the name of an English ship which transported || American service men from Boston Port of Embarkation to Liverpool in | November of || 1944 arriving there Nov 17, 1944. || || I know that the American ship Wakefield sailed about the same time but I || have heard that there was an English ship which left Boston P of E | carrying || American troops. || || Thanks || || Jessie, Calif || || || ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== || To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: | WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to | tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now | if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us | understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov | 4, 1944. || || ============================== || New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors | at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: | http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 || | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for | ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx |

Did the Queen Mary sail from Boston P of E in November 1944? Jessie, Calif

The luxury liner Manhattan had its name changed to the Wakefield. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | There were a lot of what was supposed to be luxury liners that were taken | and used to transport troops. The first SS Queen and SS Mary were two. I | believe that one was sunk right at the port. | delilah | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <JbarL@aol.com> | To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:18 PM | Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | | || Is there any way to find the name of an English ship which transported || American service men from Boston Port of Embarkation to Liverpool in | November of || 1944 arriving there Nov 17, 1944. || || I know that the American ship Wakefield sailed about the same time but I || have heard that there was an English ship which left Boston P of E | carrying || American troops. || || Thanks || || Jessie, Calif || || || ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== || To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: | WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to | tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now | if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us | understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov | 4, 1944. || || ============================== || New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors | at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: | http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 || | | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for | ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx |

On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Bobbi wrote: Why not post the names? Bobbi On 4/3/06, Delilah <diamond6468@mindspring.com> wrote: > > I have a list of name (German) POW's that died and was buried in a > cemetery > at what used to be Fort McClellan, Alabama, also a few Italians. > If anyone is interested, let me know There is a list of about 134 names of POWs who died by illness, accidents, murdered, suicide in Canada. Why would anyone desire a list like this?? There are four lines of information per name or someone, not me, would have to type over 536 lines of text. Easier to write to your Archives to obtain a list. Trevor

Why not post the names? Bobbi On 4/3/06, Delilah <diamond6468@mindspring.com> wrote: > > I have a list of name (German) POW's that died and was buried in a > cemetery > at what used to be Fort McClellan, Alabama, also a few Italians. > If anyone is interested, let me know > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor > was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help > you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring > to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

There were a lot of what was supposed to be luxury liners that were taken and used to transport troops. The first SS Queen and SS Mary were two. I believe that one was sunk right at the port. delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: <JbarL@aol.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] Troop ship | Is there any way to find the name of an English ship which transported | American service men from Boston Port of Embarkation to Liverpool in November of | 1944 arriving there Nov 17, 1944. | | I know that the American ship Wakefield sailed about the same time but I | have heard that there was an English ship which left Boston P of E carrying | American troops. | | Thanks | | Jessie, Calif | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | To post queries/answers to the list, send an email to: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 |

My husband crossed over in 1944 on the Queen Mary. All the pretty trimmings had been removed and it was pretty bare. The swimming pool was covered over.

Is there any way to find the name of an English ship which transported American service men from Boston Port of Embarkation to Liverpool in November of 1944 arriving there Nov 17, 1944. I know that the American ship Wakefield sailed about the same time but I have heard that there was an English ship which left Boston P of E carrying American troops. Thanks Jessie, Calif

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:15:07 -0700 (PDT), James Hodges <jameshodges1970@yahoo.com> wrote: >I am conducting research into a top secret RAF intelligence gathering facility, codename 'Hillside' that was based at Hughenden Manor in Buckinghamshire during WWII. Hillside produced target maps for Bomber Command. It made and printed the maps for the dams raid, among others. > > Does anyone have informatoin about Hillside? Trying to conduct research is proving very difficult due to the fact that it was a top secret facility. It sounds an interesting project - apart from "Hillside", do you know if the unit that was based there had a designation, like "12 Topographic Unit"? (I made this up just now, so don't go hunting for it!) If that is known, it may be possible to find operational records regarding the facility in the catalogue of the National Archives at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp?j=1 See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=155 for a leaflet about some of these records. Looking at your two previous posts, if he was a civilian, then I don't think there's much chance of finding his personnel record. As far as I know, personnel records for civilian Government employees are not available, although I'd be very interested to know if they are. Have you tried the RAF Museum at Hendon? See http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/london/research/index.cfm for their research page. You also mention earlier that an Army officer, Major Quaiffe, commanded the unit. The Army List for Jan 1943 lists a Captain A P Quaife of the Royal Engineers. He is shown as being a General Staff Officer Grade 3 (GSO3) on a Regular Army Emergency Commission working for the Department of the Chief of the Imperial General Staff of the War Office, and he certainly fits the bill nicely. He would have been a civilian before the war, and no doubt had special skills which were needed by the War Office. He (and indeed your grandfather) may have worked for the Ordnance Survey, which is the UK Government mapping agency - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey and http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/media/features/introos/ The London Gazette at http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveSearch.asp?WebType=0&Referer=WW1 shows that Adrian Patrick Quaife joined the Royal Engineers in WW2, but had previously been an officer in the Dorsetshire Regiment in WW1. He was awarded the MBE in the 1944 Birthday Honours List as a Captain (Temporary Major). The Royal Engineers are the Army's mapping and survey specialists, so a commission with them ties in very well. See 3/4 of the way down http://www.remuseum.org.uk/rem_his_special.htm and also http://www.remuseum.org.uk/rem_research.htm Major Quaife died on 19 Sep 1971, and The Times of 24 Sep 1971 carried a death notice for him. Sorry I don't have anything about Hillside or Hughenden Manor, but the above might give you some leads to follow. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Delilah, Are you sure the MACR does not list the accident as 10/18/44 and not 10/15 Rick

I have a list of name (German) POW's that died and was buried in a cemetery at what used to be Fort McClellan, Alabama, also a few Italians. If anyone is interested, let me know

I did a research project with a lady who lives in Suffock, England - there was a mid air explosion of an American bomber and she was wanting to see if we could find some descendants of those who died, the plane was ferrying the troops back to home station (Tibenham) and just exploded - they were making a memorial to the men and wanted to see if any ancestors existed to come to the memorial - This was on Oct 15, 1944, time-1540 - place was 2 miles SW of Birkenhead, Liverpool. The type and model of the aircraft was a B-24H, AFSN 42-50347, Station AAR Station 124. With the 8th AF, 445th Bomb Group, 703rd Bomb Sq. Accident report says was 8 miles visibility w 6/10 to 8/10 clouds at 1,000 ft wind from 260 degrees at 35 MPH. Nature of the accident was:Disintergration of plane in midair cause of which is undetermined. Those killed were: DRISCOLL, William (nmi) - Pilot - Capt OLSEN, Harold W. - 1st Lt. HENNESY, John P. - lst Lt. PATTERSON, James E. T/Sgt MARSHALL/Robert L. - T/Sgt NAGY, Stephen J. - 2nd Lt. MOSHER, Roland F. 2nd Lt. Tenney, Clesen H. . 2nd Lt. Sechlor, Roy W F/O WILLS, Ralph G. 2nd Lt. Blake, Richard M. 2nd Lt. (This officer was from Alabama)(Buried in Prattville, Al or else a memorial headstone is there) BRICK, Edward F. 2nd Lt. HAMILTON, Vincent P. lst Lt. LEARY, George J. 2nd Lt PRICE, William F. 1st Lt. UMPLEBY, Loran A. 2nd Lt. BOYD, Robert E. T/Sgt ENGASSER, Albert (nmi) Sgt MOSS, George S. Sgt. Relyea, Floyd K. T/Sgt ARRIGOTTI, Joseph L. Sgt. GEHMAN, Reginald H. lst Lt. SMITH, Clarence K. Sgt. (This person was not with this unit, he was just 'catching' a ride back to his station 114) (He was with the 565th Bomb SQ, 329th Bomb Group) There are statements from some witnesses, maybe someone will recognize someone. Flight Lt. Wright of the R.A.F. and Major Hall of the British Army who helped remove the bodies said that all bodies had parachutes or parachutes harnesses on. Inspector Noble of the Birkenhead police stated that only two bodies had no chutes on. Here are some of the names listed in statements as witnesses or gave assistance. Excerpts from a statement by a C.W.R. Rogers, SQ Leader, Officer i/c C,& D. Area No 13: I was in the vivinity of Hdgtrs in Coton (sic) Village on outscirts of Birdenhead....called NCO Sgt Cooper to advise and bring many airmen to site, calls made to RAF Station West Kirby, the local NFS and passedto RAF Statom, Sealand. I proceeded to site, came across USA ambulance driven by Cpl Boylen, Major Cheslyn-Hall of No 214AA Battery on scene. Bodies when found were handed to Flight Lt Wright, the Station Adjuntant of the RAF Station West Kirby. Ambulances carried to Clatterbridge Hospital. Statements by: Flight Lt Cory-Wright, Adjutant RAF, West Kirby and RAF Doctor to take bodies to US Hospital Clatterbridge. Major Cheslyn Hall, RA, Stanley Avenue, AA Unit, Bebington. James William Minney, 2 Home Farm Cottage, Woodchurch. William Lloyd, Dale House Fasrm, Barnston. Cheshire County Police: Sup Tankard, Insp Noble, Insp Thomas, Insp Gladstone, Sgt 1B Shelley, Constable 18R. Allcook 34R. Lloyd, 34B. Chisholmm, 27B. Carter 24E. Lowry, 44C. Robinson and 44E Martin. Eric Sorby, "Carfax", Barnston Rd. Thingwall: Mrs. Tillie Robinson, 38 Prenton Dell Road; and Sydney Laurence johnston, "Thingwall Farm" Lower Thingwall Lane, Thangwall. The owner of the land wher the crash occurred is Viscount Levehulme, Thornton Manor, Thornton Hough, Cheshire and the tenants on the land are J. & A.B. Duncan, The Home Farm, Landican and R.K. O'Kell, Old Hall Farm, Landican. Other people who made statements: There is a lot more to the report, it tells what type parachute they had, who and which ambulance carried them to the hospital, where their bodies were in the aircraft, who and where the aircraft was built, the last time and results the aircraft was tested. In the personal reports of each are their next of kin, where they were buried, what was sent home, everything about the person, even how much he was owed in salary. Now do not ask me how I came to get this and from whom. BTW, the movie star Jimmie Stewart was a member of this unit. delilah, Capt. retired

----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith Bartley" <edith.bartley@worldnet.att.net> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] SS Beecher Names, October 13, 1945 > Hello Again-- > > Explanation: > I purchased from ebay several copies of the Beecher Bugle, since Henry > Ward Beecher was the founding pastor of my church. But it turned out to > be a daily newsletter from the S.S. Henry Ward Beecher, from October 10 to > October 17, 1945, as it brought U.S. troops home from Europe after > fighting in World War II. It was not a Daily Bulletin; no official > announcements. Just things like the movie schedule, the library and > barber shop hours, the World Series scores, the fate of various Nazis > (Quisling in this first issue). > I'll post the soldiers' names and related data, one day at a time. The > ship left from Antwerp and went to New York City. > > Correction: early issues of the Bugle announced that their destination > was New York, but they actually arrived in Boston because of congestion in > New York due to a longshoreman's strike. > > I want to donate these newsletters somewhere--any suggestions? > - ----------------------------------------------------- > New Names: > > Talent Wanted > All men interested in the variety show or boxing report to Lts. Hill & > Fitzgerald in the combined Recreation Center and Beecher Theatre, Saturday > morning between 0930 and 1000. > > Around the Deck > Incidental Intelligence: > For those of you who have friends on the SS Pillsbury, The liberty ship > that left Antwerp harbor shortly before our own ship, it may interest you > to know that the Pillsbury is roughly 60 miles ahead of the SS Beecher. > > Howard M. Davis has lost a red and gold fountain pen. He would appreciate > it very much and offers a reward if the pen is returned to him or to any > Bugle representative. > > Six Stripers on Board Ship: No doubt there are others, but the writer saw > the following men on deck yesterday with six overseas stripes: Pfc Alfred > Chalk, T / 5 William Gilmore, T / 4 Peter Cantarow, T / 4 George Reid, T / > 4 Chester Stull, T / 5 Paul Clark, and > T / 4 Arthur Metcalf. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Edith (Lillie) Bartley > edith.bartley@worldnet.att.net > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military/WORLDWAR2.html > This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, > subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. > Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what > country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give > dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For > example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >