Hi Forrest! Wow! What can I say, but thank you very much for this very informative and very successful query. I am elated that finally I have found some information on Denis C Riddle. This definitely appears to be the same man. I will include all the details for my cousin's husband who is named for his father, so he can apply for his service record. I did look at the War Graves Commission site and found an uncle of Denis' who died at the Somme, France, but I didn't know about the London Gazette. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I very much appreciate your efforts to answer my query. Best wishes, Judy Forrest wrote: Forrest Anderson <listmail@military-researcher.com> There are at least three announcements in respect of Denis Charles RIDDLE, and they relate to his commission as a Second Lieutenant in the Royal Corps of Signals in 1943, the award of the Territorial Efficiency Medal in 1947, and the award of the first clasp to the Territorial Efficiency Medal, also in 1947. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 5/3/2006

Bobbi, Before you can get specific answers regarding your great uncle, first we will need you to tell us which 714th battalion he was in in. There are different variations which can apply. For instance , 714th Tank Battalion, 714th Transportation Battalion, 714th Quartermaster Battalion, 714th Railway Operating Battalion, just to name a few. Mention of Patton's third Army does narrow the possibilities, and my opinion would lean toward the 714th Tank Battalion which did serve briefly under Patton from 3/17/45 - 3/23/45 while approaching the Rhine River. The 714th Tank Battalion was an organic (normally assigned to) unit of the 12th Armored Division. If you can find that this is in fact the correct battalion, then your research should include the route of march and locations of the 12th Armored Division as a whole. Including the normal parent unit-the 12th Armored, the 714th TB was also temporary attached to the 70th Infantry Division from 2/12/45 - 2/17/45 only. So you can check that out also. The 714th Tank Battalion spent most of its time asigned to the 7th U.S. Army which was commanded by Lt. Gen. Alexander (Sandy) Patch. The history of the 12th Armored is readily available, such as: _http://www.12tharmoredmuseum.com/_ (http://www.12tharmoredmuseum.com/) This is by far the best site, with searchable database of veterans with their companies and phone numbers. Perhaps one can help you confirm any information. Good Luck, Rick

Fo those researching their ancestors in WW2, there was another paper they had to sign if they were enlisted instead of draftet (not sure if they had to sign it if they were drafted) - it was something with the above name, they signed saying they accepted their service obligation for whatever time is specified. I have Elvis Pressley's that he signed, so I figured since he enlisted instead of getting drafted, then possibly, all the others also had to sign one if they just enlisted. It give his signature and his SN and date of signing. delilah evans

Hi everyone! Hoping someone can help with this. I am helping my cousin's husband who knew very little about his Dad. Dad was Denis Charles RIDDLE born 1919 Camberwell, London, England. He was in Signals in the British Army during WW2 and stationed to the Pacific. He married Kathleen RICKERBY from New Zealand about 1953/4 possibly in Fiji as there son, Denis Charles RIDDLE Jr was born there in Aug 1955. There does not appear to be a marriage in NZ. Denis C RIDDLE Sr's parents were Charles RIDDLE and Nellie Charlotte WALHEN who married 1913 Camberwell. Charles was born 1883 in Rye Sussex and as were previous generations. I am trying to find more information on Denis Charles RIDDLE Sr and his records from WW2 to help fill in the gaps of Knowedge. Can anyone point me in the right direction please. Thanks very much, Judy Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 5/3/2006

On Thu, 04 May 2006 10:35:07 +1000, Steve Jones <sajones@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >I am helping my cousin's husband who knew very little about >his Dad... >Dad was Denis Charles RIDDLE born >1919 Camberwell, London, England. He was in Signals in the British >Army during WW2 and stationed to the Pacific. He married Kathleen >RICKERBY from New Zealand about 1953/4... >I am trying to find more information on Denis Charles RIDDLE Sr >and his records from WW2 to help fill in the gaps of Knowedge. It seems to be your lucky day! There are two places I check first when searching for men who served in the British Armed Forces in WW2. Both sources are on-line, are free to access, and thousands and thousands of names. One is the Debt of Honour Register at http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14 which is run by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. Although it only lists people who died, which is not the case here, sometimes you can find previously-unknown members of the family you are researching. The second on-line source is the London Gazette. This was a government newspaper, and it was used to make official announcements. Many of these related to personnel serving in the Armed Forces, and of particular interest are the announcements concerning the commission, promotion and resignation of officers, and the award of decorations and gallantry medals to all ranks. Although you may have no indication he was an officer or was awarded any decoration, it's always worth looking, just in case... The search engine for the on-line London Gazette is at http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveSearch.asp?WebType=0&Referer=WW2 and my own tips for searching it are at http://www.military-researcher.com/LGTipsFrameset.html There are at least three announcements in respect of Denis Charles RIDDLE, and they relate to his commission as a Second Lieutenant in the Royal Corps of Signals in 1943, the award of the Territorial Efficiency Medal in 1947, and the award of the first clasp to the Territorial Efficiency Medal, also in 1947. ------------------ SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 13 APRIL, 1943 PAGE 1695 <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?IssueNumber=35977&pageNumber=5&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> The undermentioned cadets to be 2nd Lts.: — ROYAL CORPS OF SIGNALS. 14th Mar. 1943: Denis Charles RIDDLE (267338) ------------------ ------------------ SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 18 APRIL, 1947 PAGE 1710 <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?IssueNumber=37933&pageNumber=2&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> The following Officers are awarded the Efficiency Medal (Territorial): — ROYAL CORPS OF SIGNALS. Lt. (now T/Capt.) D. C. RIDDLE (267338). ------------------ ------------------ SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 18 APRIL, 1947 PAGE 1709 <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?IssueNumber=37933&pageNumber=1&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> The following Officers are awarded the Efficiency Medal (Territorial), 1st Clasp: — ROYAL CORPS OF SIGNALS. Lt. (now T/Capt.) D. C. RIDDLE (267338). ------------------ Assuming this is the right man, although it doesn't tell you where he served in WW2, or with which unit, it does at least confirm that he served with the Royal Signals, that he was an officer, and gives you some other useful details. Contemporary Army Lists will list him, and will give you the dates of his promotions to Lieutenant and Captain. These may be available at large libraries in Australia. See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=267 and http://www.military-researcher.com/ArmyListSet.html for more information on these books. Now that you have his Personal Number (267338), his rank, his name, and his Corps, there is enough information to apply for his Service Record, which should be in the hands of the Ministry of Defence. It can only be obtained by (or with the written permission of) the serviceman himself or his next of kin. For more information, see http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/service_recs/service_recs.htm http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/service_recs/service%20_recs_army.htm http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/contact_us/contact_us_faqserpens.htm Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

I have WW2 enlistments for a BARRACK and 2 for BEAVERS - you want those, it tells which state they enlisted in - ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hhunterg@cs.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] European Theater,1944 |I have found what I think is at least two alive. I have already searched the | SS Death Index and various people searches. My point in writing to this list | is to possibly find anyone who knew any of these people, not necessarily | the people themselves. I am well aware that our Greatest Generation are | fast departing this life. | | As stated in my original E-mail, I am searching for any information on the | people listed. | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

Was 'Major" the rank or the given name for the first person on the list, I also see thatothers only have the surnames - do you not know their given/first name/s? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hhunterg@cs.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] European Theater,1944 | They were from the US but were not all from the same unit. | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

I know, I spoke yesterday with a WW2 veteran of the Navy, he was on the same ship as my uncle, I asked if they may still be alive or not as to what area I could search for them - also another question is are they all from the same state or states? Or do you know the states they are from, if so, you can go thru a Vet Assn or the VFW and they will help you find them - delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hhunterg@cs.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] European Theater,1944 |I have found what I think is at least two alive. I have already searched the | SS Death Index and various people searches. My point in writing to this list | is to possibly find anyone who knew any of these people, not necessarily | the people themselves. I am well aware that our Greatest Generation are | fast departing this life. | | As stated in my original E-mail, I am searching for any information on the | people listed. | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | We are an international list! Please, always tell the list what country your ancestor is from. This helps all of us, especially you! If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

I have found what I think is at least two alive. I have already searched the SS Death Index and various people searches. My point in writing to this list is to possibly find anyone who knew any of these people, not necessarily the people themselves. I am well aware that our Greatest Generation are fast departing this life. As stated in my original E-mail, I am searching for any information on the people listed.

you think they may still be alive ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hhunterg@cs.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] European Theater,1944 | They were from the US but were not all from the same unit. | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html | This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx |

They were from the US but were not all from the same unit.

where they from the US - and were they all in the same unit ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hhunterg@cs.com> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:25 PM Subject: [WORLD WAR II] European Theater,1944 |I am searching for any information on the following military personnel who | were in the European Theater of operations and in England in 1944. | | Allen, Major: | Barrack, James A: | Beavers, James T: | Bell, Major: | Bianchi, Joseph J: | Bowman, Robert: | Clark, Junior: | Cooper, Saul A(lbert): | Daniel, Albert R: | Evans, Harold P: | Groener, August: | Gino, Lt: | Harold, Lt: | Herr, Col: | Herald, Lt: | Hillbush, William E: | Holtby, Albert: | Hudson, Capt: | Hunt, Lawrence Corp: | Kangas, Lt: | Kelly, Michael J 1st Lt: | King, Genn: | Kiddle: | Krebs Lt: | Lewicke, Albert J: | Long, Maj: | Longley, Rodman 1st Lt: | McCord, David E: | Nokes, Arthur: | Pendry, Roger A: | Pristley, Theodore J.: | Raines, Lt. | Schnappo/Schnapo, Lt: | Seilor, Terald: | Shows, Lt: | Smith, Lt: | Solas, Lt: | Soloman, Leonard Lt. Col: | Summers, James W: | Warnock, Frank 2nd Lt: | | | ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== | We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. | | ============================== | Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the | areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. | Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx |

I am searching for any information on the following military personnel who were in the European Theater of operations and in England in 1944. Allen, Major: Barrack, James A: Beavers, James T: Bell, Major: Bianchi, Joseph J: Bowman, Robert: Clark, Junior: Cooper, Saul A(lbert): Daniel, Albert R: Evans, Harold P: Groener, August: Gino, Lt: Harold, Lt: Herr, Col: Herald, Lt: Hillbush, William E: Holtby, Albert: Hudson, Capt: Hunt, Lawrence Corp: Kangas, Lt: Kelly, Michael J 1st Lt: King, Genn: Kiddle: Krebs Lt: Lewicke, Albert J: Long, Maj: Longley, Rodman 1st Lt: McCord, David E: Nokes, Arthur: Pendry, Roger A: Pristley, Theodore J.: Raines, Lt. Schnappo/Schnapo, Lt: Seilor, Terald: Shows, Lt: Smith, Lt: Solas, Lt: Soloman, Leonard Lt. Col: Summers, James W: Warnock, Frank 2nd Lt:

Hi All: The so-called "Brisbane Line" fallback position was a Labour accusation against the previous Australian Menzies government in 1942-43 and was the subject of a Royal Commission, see: http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/homefront/brisbane_line.htm Yours, John Wilson > In Australia during the darkest points of the War in 1942/43, the Australian Government drew a line through Brisbane in SE Queensland, known logically as the 'Brisbane Line' north of which would be evacuated and left to the Japanese had they ever made landfall in northern Australia. > > I assume the British Government had a similar plan when the Nazis held most of Europe across the Channel. > > Would Brits have been evacuated north into Scotland or west into Wales (ironically like most other defeated races throughout English history)? >

Thanks to Sue for the excellent links regarding Army awards. As I've researched the WW2 ribbons for my late father and father-in-law, I've discovered the incredible chaos and confusion during the demobilization and that some awards weren't established until after they were discharged. I've been trying to clarify criteria for the Republic of China's World War Two Memorial Medal. My father-in-law served in the U.S. Navy in the Philippines in World War Two and I am researching his eligibility for medals. Some sources state that it was awarded to individuals only, for example to the pilots of the Flying Tigers. Some sources states that this medal is only for Allied personnel who served in the China-India-Burma Campaign. Some sources state that later the Republic of China awarded it to all Allied personnel who served in the war against Japan. Several nations seemed to have issued "gratitude" awards like this. Some sources state it was awarded only to combat personnel in the war with Japan. Some sources state that the Republic of China awarded to all Allied personnel who served anywhere during World War Two. Some unofficial history sites of Navy ships that served in the war with Japan but never in the China-Burma-India Campaign include name this award among their ship's. One source gives instructions to send a copy of a veterans discharge to Republic of China's Government Information Office (the equivalent of the ROC's consulate after the normalization of relations with the People's Republic) to obtain this medal. I've sent them an email and have received no reply. The links that Sue provided confirm that this would not be an officially recognized foreign award but a private gratitude award to be enjoyed by veterans and their families, like the award France gave to all Normandy veterans on the 50th anniversary. This is all very contradictory and confusing. That I have not been able to find an authoritative, official, and clear statement of criteria like I've found for the French medal for Normandy veterans, suggests that some of what I've found are a continuation of the good faith confusion regarding some awards. Yours, Leonard H. Cizewski, Madison, Wisconsin Son-in-law of Ralph E. Robinson, Landing Ship Medium 34, the Philippines Campaigns, World War Two --- Sue Trout <sjtrout@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hi All, > This looks like a promising place to write for > "hose awards. " > Sue > > Military Awards Branch > Personnel Service Support Division > > > https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/TAGD/index.htm > > Army Retiree and Veteran Award Inquiries > > > > > Army Retiree/Veterans or their primary Next of > Kin (spouse, children, > and/or grandchildren only) may submit requests to > the appropriate office for > reissuance of medals/certificates; for > review/determination of awards not > previously considered; or reconsideration of > downgraded/disapproved awards. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Military Awards Branch > > > Only those award requests based on new award > information that require > a policy determination, such as entitlements of the > Purple Heart and > retroactive award of badge, are processed at the > Military Awards Branch. > These requests are processed in the order they are > received. > > > Retroactive recommendations for awards for > retirees/veterans beyond > the two year time limitation must be submitted in > accordance with Title 10, > Section 1130, United States Code. For more > information please refer to the > following link: > > > Title 10, Section 1130, United States Code > > > https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/TAGD/awards/Contacts/Section_1130_Title_10.htm > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > National Personnel Records Center > > & > > Human Resources Command - St. Louis > > > Requests for previously approved awards, such > as requests for orders, > certificates, and medal sets, should be forwarded to > either the National > Personnel Records Center or the Human Resources > Command - St. Louis based > upon when the retiree/veteran terminated service. > > Termination of Service Prior to October 1, > 2002 > > > https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/TAGD/awards/Contacts/Prior_to_2002.htm > > > > Termination of Service After October 1, 2002 > > > https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/TAGD/awards/Contacts/After_2002.htm > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Army Board for Corrections of Military Records > > > The Army Review Boards Agency (ARBA), on > behalf of the Secretary of > the Army, serves as the highest administrative level > for review of personnel > actions taken by lower levels of command. The Army > Board for Correction of > Miltiary Records (ABCMR) is the highest level of > authority for adjudicating > awards matters. The Board is the final level of > submission when all other > avenues have been utilized. Please understand that > taking this course of > action does not necessarily mean that the > application will be favorably > considered. The Board will adjudicate each case on > its merit, and the > burden of proof remains with the applicant. > > > Address: > Army Review Boards Agency > > Support Division St. Louis > > 9700 Page Avenue > > St. Louis, MO 63132-5200 > > > Related Links: > > Army Review Boards Agency (ARBA) > > http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/index.htm > > > > Army Board for Correction of Military Records > > http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr.htm > > > > ABCMR FAQs > > http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr.htm > > > > DD Form 149, Application for Correction of > Military Record > > http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr.htm > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you have any questions, please email the > Military Awards Branch at > awards@hoffman.army.mil. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi All, This looks like a promising place to write for "hose awards. " Sue Military Awards Branch Personnel Service Support Division https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/TAGD/index.htm Army Retiree and Veteran Award Inquiries Army Retiree/Veterans or their primary Next of Kin (spouse, children, and/or grandchildren only) may submit requests to the appropriate office for reissuance of medals/certificates; for review/determination of awards not previously considered; or reconsideration of downgraded/disapproved awards. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Military Awards Branch Only those award requests based on new award information that require a policy determination, such as entitlements of the Purple Heart and retroactive award of badge, are processed at the Military Awards Branch. These requests are processed in the order they are received. Retroactive recommendations for awards for retirees/veterans beyond the two year time limitation must be submitted in accordance with Title 10, Section 1130, United States Code. For more information please refer to the following link: Title 10, Section 1130, United States Code https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/TAGD/awards/Contacts/Section_1130_Title_10.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------- National Personnel Records Center & Human Resources Command - St. Louis Requests for previously approved awards, such as requests for orders, certificates, and medal sets, should be forwarded to either the National Personnel Records Center or the Human Resources Command - St. Louis based upon when the retiree/veteran terminated service. Termination of Service Prior to October 1, 2002 https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/TAGD/awards/Contacts/Prior_to_2002.htm Termination of Service After October 1, 2002 https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/TAGD/awards/Contacts/After_2002.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Army Board for Corrections of Military Records The Army Review Boards Agency (ARBA), on behalf of the Secretary of the Army, serves as the highest administrative level for review of personnel actions taken by lower levels of command. The Army Board for Correction of Miltiary Records (ABCMR) is the highest level of authority for adjudicating awards matters. The Board is the final level of submission when all other avenues have been utilized. Please understand that taking this course of action does not necessarily mean that the application will be favorably considered. The Board will adjudicate each case on its merit, and the burden of proof remains with the applicant. Address: Army Review Boards Agency Support Division St. Louis 9700 Page Avenue St. Louis, MO 63132-5200 Related Links: Army Review Boards Agency (ARBA) http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/index.htm Army Board for Correction of Military Records http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr.htm ABCMR FAQs http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr.htm DD Form 149, Application for Correction of Military Record http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have any questions, please email the Military Awards Branch at awards@hoffman.army.mil.

Thanks Paul for reminding me of that actual radio broadcast I heard as a young man, no where near old enough to join the Forces but old enough to know how to fire a gun if need be. Geoff ------------------------------------------------------ Geoffrey Lewin BLAXALL Hextable, Kent, S.E.England. PostCode BR8 7RJ N.W.Kent Family History Society #3593 http://GeoffBlaxall.tripod.com All e-mails protected by Mailwasher + Norton AV2005. ============================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hinkle To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] British Fall back position during WWII ? TO All who may read this click here http://www.presentationhelper.co.uk/winston_churchill_speech_fight_them_on_beaches.htm Paul Hinkle US WW2 vet

A three part history has just been on BBC I think and might shortly appear on the Non terrestrial channels. It was about the defence of the nation in the event of a successful invasion. As a news point there is something on at the moment about a find of a 50 foot PIPE bomb Somewhere in England which is going to have to be exploded. Its good 'ere i'n it? Allen Hale Facts Don't Lie But We Rarely Accept The Inconvenient Ones. (anon unless anyone can enlighten) !-----Original Message----- !From: Roger & Jodie Morris [mailto:rog.jod@bigpond.net.au] !Sent: 30 April 2006 11:55 !To: WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com !Subject: [WORLD WAR II] British Fall back position during WWII ? ! ! !I'm interested in finding out whether English history reveals !what Churchill's 'Fall Back' position was if the Nazis had !ever landed ground troops on British soil? ! !In Australia during the darkest points of the War in 1942/43, !the Australian Government drew a line through Brisbane in SE !Queensland, known logically as the 'Brisbane Line' north of !which would be evacuated and left to the Japanese had they !ever made landfall in northern Australia. ! !I assume the British Government had a similar plan when the !Nazis held most of Europe across the Channel. ! !Would Brits have been evacuated north into Scotland or west !into Wales (ironically like most other defeated races !throughout English history)? ! !Roger !Queensland, Australia. ! ! ! !==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== !http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WO RLDWAR2.html This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks Peter. Roger. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Monks" <arethusa@shaw.ca> To: <WORLDWAR2-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [WORLD WAR II] British Fall back position during WWII ? > Greetings, > > Thank goodness it never happened, but pill boxes galore appeared, as did > underground emergency attack shelters, ammunition was disposed of and > explosives and hidden in gardens and churches, obviously no records were > kept or the whole exercise would have been in vain. I recall reading of > one gentleman in or approaching his nineties who sheepishly informed his > local police station that he had a largish ammunition dump in his back > garden, and wondered if he was allowed to 'tell yet'. Similarly I read of > Winston Churchill brandishing a carving knife over Sunday dinner and > announcing that 'everyone present must take at least one with them.' Or > the 'still secret' supposedly oil fires off the beaches for the > destruction of the invasion barges?? Peter > > Roger & Jodie Morris wrote: > >>I'm interested in finding out whether English history reveals what >>Churchill's 'Fall Back' position was if the Nazis had ever landed ground >>troops on British soil? >> >>In Australia during the darkest points of the War in 1942/43, the >>Australian Government drew a line through Brisbane in SE Queensland, known >>logically as the 'Brisbane Line' north of which would be evacuated and >>left to the Japanese had they ever made landfall in northern Australia. >> >>I assume the British Government had a similar plan when the Nazis held >>most of Europe across the Channel. >>Would Brits have been evacuated north into Scotland or west into Wales >>(ironically like most other defeated races throughout English history)? >> >>Roger >>Queensland, Australia. >> >> >> >>==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== >>http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Military:_20th_Century/WORLDWAR2.html >>This is the link to our archives. You may search or browse. Also, >>subscribe or unsubscribe and contact admin. We are an international list. >>Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor was from and what >>country you are in now if different. This helps us help you. If you give >>dates please help us understand the date you are referring to. For >>example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> > > > ==== WORLDWAR2 Mailing List ==== > We welcome tributes of your World War II ancestors. We are an > international list. Please remember to tell us what country your ancestor > was from and what country you are in now if different. This helps us help > you. If you give dates please help us understand the date you are > referring to. For example: 4 Nov 1944 or Nov 4, 1944. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

SOURCE: OPELIKA-AUBURN NEWS, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 31, 1998 MARTHA RUTH JONES Martha Ruth Jones, Major, US Army (Ret.), 93 of Durham, N.C. died Monday afternoon in Hillcrest Convalescent Center. Major Jones was born in Alabama and was raised in Columbus, Ga. She graduated from Vanderbilt University School of Nursing in 1935. Ms. Jones joined the U.S. Army in 1943 and served in a field hospital in Iraq. She left active service as a first lieutenant in 1945 and was promoted to Major while in the reserves. Major Jones worked as the head nurse at the VA hospital in Batavia, N.Y. for many years. Following her retirement, Major Jones lived in Auburn. She moved to Durham due to health reasons in 1986 and lived briefly at the Durham Regent community. Surviving are her sister, Mrs. Sara J. Williams of San Antonio, Tex; her neice, Mrs. Jean Smith of Atlanta, Ga.; a nephew by marriage, Dr. James Vander Weide of Durham; great-nephews Chuch King of Atlanta, Ga.; David Vander Weide of Washington, D.C., and Michael Vander Weide of Durham; and great-neices Barbara Wilson of Atlanta, Ga., and Kathryn Vander Weide of Durham. Major Jones was cremated and her ashes will be entombed in Columbus, Ga. Howerton & Bryan Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements. --------------------------------------------------------------------